• Slashdot: the rise and fall of Usenet

    From Retrograde@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 21 01:52:55 2023
    From the «stay away you menaces» department:
    Feed: Slashdot
    Title: The Rise and Fall of Usenet
    Author: BeauHD
    Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 19:02:00 -0500
    Link: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/23/12/20/2147253/the-rise-and-fall-of-usenet?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

    An anonymous reader quotes a report from ZDNet: Long before Facebook existed, or
    even before the Internet, there was Usenet. Usenet was the first social network.
    Now, with Google Groups abandoning Usenet, this oldest of all social networks is
    doomed to disappear. Some might say it's well past time. As Google declared, "Over the last several years, legitimate activity in text-based Usenet groups has declined significantly because users have moved to more modern technologies and formats such as social media and web-based forums. Much of the content being
    disseminated via Usenet today is binary (non-text) file sharing, which Google Groups does not support, as well as spam." True, these days, Usenet's content is
    almost entirely spam, but in its day, Usenet was everything that Twitter and Reddit would become and more. In 1979, Duke University computer science graduate
    students Tom Truscott and Jim Ellis conceived of a network of shared messages under various topics. These messages, also known as articles or posts, were submitted to topic categories, which became known as newsgroups. Within those groups, messages were bound together in threads and sub-threads. [...] In 1980, Truscott and Ellis, using the Unix to Unix Copy Protocol (UUCP), hooked up with the University of North Carolina to form the first Usenet nodes. From there, it would rapidly spread over the pre-Internet ARPANet and other early networks. These messages would be stored and retrieved from news servers. These would "peer" to each other so that messages to a newsgroup would be shared from server
    to server and to user to user so that within hours, your messages would reach the entire networked world. Usenet would evolve its own network protocol, Network News Transfer Protocol (NNTP), to speed the transfer of these messages. Today, the social network Mastodon uses a similar approach with the ActivityPub protocol, while other social networks, such as Threads, are exploring using ActivityPub to connect with Mastodon and the other social networks that support ActivityPub. As the saying goes, everything old is new again. [...] Usenet was never an organized social network. Each server owner could -- and did -- set its
    own rules. Mind you, there was some organization to begin with. The first 'mainstream' Usenet groups, comp, misc, news, rec, soc, and sci hierarchies, were widely accepted and disseminated until 1987. Then, faced with a flood of new groups, a new naming plan emerged in what was called the Great Renaming. This led to a lot of disputes and the creation of the talk hierarchy. This and the first six became known as the Big Seven. Then the alt groups emerged as a free speech protest. Afterward, fewer Usenet sites made it possible to access all the newsgroups. Instead, maintainers and users would have to decide which one they'd support. Over the years, Usenet began to decline as discussions were replaced both by spam and flame wars. Group discussions were also overwhelmed by
    flame wars. "If, going forward, you want to keep an eye on Usenet -- things could change, miracles can happen -- you'll need to get an account from a Usenet
    provider," writes ZDNet's Steven Vaughan-Nichols. "I favor Eternal September, which offers free access to the discussion Usenet groups; NewsHosting, $9.99 a month with access to all the Usenet groups; EasyNews, $9.98 a month with fast downloads, and a good search engine; and Eweka, 9.50 Euros a month and EU only servers." "You'll also need a Usenet client. One popular free one is Mozilla's Thunderbird E-Mail client, which doubles as a Usenet client. EasyNews also offers a client as part of its service. If you're all about downloading files, check out SABnzbd."

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Thu Dec 21 03:16:45 2023
    Retrograde wrote:

    From the «stay away you menaces» department:
    Feed: Slashdot
    Title: The Rise and Fall of Usenet
    Author: BeauHD
    Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 19:02:00 -0500
    Link:

    https://tech.slashdot.org/story/23/12/20/2147253/the-rise-and-fall-of-usenet?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

    An anonymous reader quotes a report from ZDNet: Long before
    Facebook existed, or even before the Internet, there was Usenet.
    Usenet was the first social network. Now, with Google Groups
    abandoning Usenet, this oldest of all social networks is doomed to
    disappear. Some might say it's well past time. As Google declared,
    "Over the last several years, legitimate activity in text-based
    Usenet groups has declined significantly because users have moved
    to more modern technologies and formats such as social media and
    web-based forums. Much of the content being disseminated via Usenet
    today is binary (non-text) file sharing, which Google Groups does
    not support, as well as spam." True, these days, Usenet's content
    is almost entirely spam, but in its day, Usenet was everything that
    Twitter and Reddit would become and more. In 1979, Duke University
    computer science graduate students Tom Truscott and Jim Ellis
    conceived of a network of shared messages under various topics.
    These messages, also known as articles or posts, were submitted to
    topic categories, which became known as newsgroups. Within those
    groups, messages were bound together in threads and sub-threads.
    [...] In 1980, Truscott and Ellis, using the Unix to Unix Copy
    Protocol (UUCP), hooked up with the University of North Carolina to
    form the first Usenet nodes. From there, it would rapidly spread
    over the pre-Internet ARPANet and other early networks. These
    messages would be stored and retrieved from news servers. These
    would "peer" to each other so that messages to a newsgroup would be
    shared from server to server and to user to user so that within
    hours, your messages would reach the entire networked world. Usenet
    would evolve its own network protocol, Network News Transfer
    Protocol (NNTP), to speed the transfer of these messages. Today,
    the social network Mastodon uses a similar approach with the
    ActivityPub protocol, while other social networks, such as Threads,
    are exploring using ActivityPub to connect with Mastodon and the
    other social networks that support ActivityPub. As the saying goes, everything old is new again. [...] Usenet was never an organized
    social network. Each server owner could -- and did -- set its own
    rules. Mind you, there was some organization to begin with. The
    first 'mainstream' Usenet groups, comp, misc, news, rec, soc, and
    sci hierarchies, were widely accepted and disseminated until 1987.
    Then, faced with a flood of new groups, a new naming plan emerged
    in what was called the Great Renaming. This led to a lot of
    disputes and the creation of the talk hierarchy. This and the first
    six became known as the Big Seven. Then the alt groups emerged as a
    free speech protest. Afterward, fewer Usenet sites made it possible
    to access all the newsgroups. Instead, maintainers and users would
    have to decide which one they'd support. Over the years, Usenet
    began to decline as discussions were replaced both by spam and
    flame wars. Group discussions were also overwhelmed by flame wars.


    Usenet traffic has been increasing year upon year, and in 2023 it is
    way above what it was twenty years ago... and probably the highest
    it's ever been! So Usenet is not disappearing anytime soon. Some
    ignorant people seem to think that Google Groups WAS Usenet. It never
    was, Google Groups was just a portal for people to access Usenet.

    Obviously as mentioned in the article, the binaries groups are
    popular and they are the main reason for the growth in Usenet
    traffic. They have grown in usage whilst the text based newsgroups
    have decreased in use, but a lot of newsgroups still have reasonably
    good - i.e. non spam - activity... a lot of the comp/tech groups
    especially. But Usenet itself is thriving, and regardless of how the
    discussion newsgroups fare over the coming years, Usenet itself is
    not going anywhere.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to blueshirt@indigo.news on Wed Dec 20 22:13:47 2023
    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 03:16:45 +0100, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    the binaries groups are popular and they are the
    main reason for the growth in Usenet traffic.


    Attorney generals trying to shut down usenet?
    Jun 15, 2008

    :"N.Y. attorney general forces ISPs to curb Usenet access"
    :
    :Cuomo announced[...]that Verizon Communications,
    :Time Warner Cable, and Sprint would
    :"shut down major sources of online child pornography."
    :[. . .]
    :Time Warner Cable said it will cease to offer customers access
    :to any Usenet newsgroups,
    :a decision that will affect customers nationwide.
    :
    It's not clear if they will just take their own NNTP servers offline
    or will if they will block Port 119.

    :Sprint is cutting off the alt.* hierarchy, Usenet's largest[...]
    :
    :A Verizon spokesman said he didn't know details,
    :saying "newsgroups that deal with scientific endeavors"
    :will stick around but admitted that
    :all of the alt.* hierarchy could be toast.

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Thu Dec 21 10:55:20 2023
    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 01:52:55 GMT
    Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    From the «stay away you menaces» department:
    Feed: Slashdot
    Title: The Rise and Fall of Usenet
    Author: BeauHD
    Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 19:02:00 -0500
    Link: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/23/12/20/2147253/the-rise-and-fall-of-usenet?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

    An anonymous reader quotes a report from ZDNet: Long before Facebook existed, or
    even before the Internet, there was Usenet. Usenet was the first social network.
    []

    Hey this sounds great!, where do I sign?

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From MummyChunk@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 21 12:47:49 2023
    Retrograde wrote:
    From the «stay away you menaces» department:
    Feed: Slashdot
    Title: The Rise and Fall of Usenet
    Author: BeauHD
    Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 19:02:00 -0500
    Link:
    https://tech.slashdot.org/story/23/12/20/2147253/the-rise-and-fall-of-usenet?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

    An anonymous reader quotes a report from ZDNet: Long before
    Facebook existed, or
    even before the Internet, there was Usenet. Usenet was the first
    social network.
    Now, with Google Groups abandoning Usenet, this oldest of all
    social networks is
    doomed to disappear. Some might say it's well past time. As Google
    declared,
    "Over the last several years, legitimate activity in
    text-based Usenet groups
    has declined significantly because users have moved to more modern
    technologies
    and formats such as social media and web-based forums. Much of the
    content being
    disseminated via Usenet today is binary (non-text) file sharing,
    which Google
    Groups does not support, as well as spam." True, these days,
    Usenet's content is
    almost entirely spam, but in its day, Usenet was everything that
    Twitter and
    Reddit would become and more. In 1979, Duke University computer
    science graduate
    students Tom Truscott and Jim Ellis conceived of a network of
    shared messages
    under various topics. These messages, also known as articles or
    posts, were
    submitted to topic categories, which became known as newsgroups.
    Within those
    groups, messages were bound together in threads and sub-threads.
    [...] In 1980,
    Truscott and Ellis, using the Unix to Unix Copy Protocol (UUCP),
    hooked up with
    the University of North Carolina to form the first Usenet nodes.
    From there, it
    would rapidly spread over the pre-Internet ARPANet and other early
    networks.
    These messages would be stored and retrieved from news servers.
    These would
    "peer" to each other so that messages to a newsgroup
    would be shared from server
    to server and to user to user so that within hours, your messages
    would reach
    the entire networked world. Usenet would evolve its own network
    protocol,
    Network News Transfer Protocol (NNTP), to speed the transfer of
    these messages.
    Today, the social network Mastodon uses a similar approach with the
    ActivityPub
    protocol, while other social networks, such as Threads, are
    exploring using
    ActivityPub to connect with Mastodon and the other social networks
    that support
    ActivityPub. As the saying goes, everything old is new again. [...]
    Usenet was
    never an organized social network. Each server owner could -- and
    did -- set its
    own rules. Mind you, there was some organization to begin with. The
    first
    'mainstream' Usenet groups, comp, misc, news, rec, soc, and sci
    hierarchies,
    were widely accepted and disseminated until 1987. Then, faced with
    a flood of
    new groups, a new naming plan emerged in what was called the Great
    Renaming.
    This led to a lot of disputes and the creation of the talk
    hierarchy. This and
    the first six became known as the Big Seven. Then the alt groups
    emerged as a
    free speech protest. Afterward, fewer Usenet sites made it possible
    to access
    all the newsgroups. Instead, maintainers and users would have to
    decide which
    one they'd support. Over the years, Usenet began to decline as
    discussions were
    replaced both by spam and flame wars. Group discussions were also
    overwhelmed by
    flame wars. "If, going forward, you want to keep an eye on
    Usenet -- things
    could change, miracles can happen -- you'll need to get an account
    from a Usenet
    provider," writes ZDNet's Steven Vaughan-Nichols. "I
    favor Eternal September,
    which offers free access to the discussion Usenet groups;
    NewsHosting, $9.99 a
    month with access to all the Usenet groups; EasyNews, $9.98 a month
    with fast
    downloads, and a good search engine; and Eweka, 9.50 Euros a month
    and EU only
    servers." "You'll also need a Usenet client. One popular
    free one is Mozilla's
    Thunderbird E-Mail client, which doubles as a Usenet client.
    EasyNews also
    offers a client as part of its service. If you're all about
    downloading files,
    check out SABnzbd."

    [2] [4]

    Read more of this story[5] at Slashdot.

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    There are plenty other web based gateways for those too
    technically challenged to use a newsreader/nntp


    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=657627588#657627588

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to MummyChunk on Thu Dec 21 17:59:52 2023
    On 2023-12-21, MummyChunk <mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote:
    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=657627588#657627588

    ... which is why you missed the joke, that the previous message had been
    posted via NNTP and an actual newsreader. But hey, happy holidays, amigo.

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  • From MummyChunk@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 21 19:47:59 2023
    On 2023-12-21, MummyChunk <mummycullen> wrote:
    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=657627588#657627588

    Retrograde wrote:


    .... which is why you missed the joke, that the previous message
    had been
    posted via NNTP and an actual newsreader. But hey, happy holidays,
    amigo.

    Happy Holidays to you too Compadre!


    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=657627588#657627588

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to MummyChunk on Thu Dec 21 19:47:43 2023
    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 19:47:59 +0000,
    mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (MummyChunk) wrote:

    Happy Holidays to you too Compadre!

    https://twitter.com/crazyclipsonly/status/1737593293268041786

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  • From MummyChunk@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 22 15:07:48 2023
    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 19:47:59 +0000, mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (MummyChunk) wrote:

    Happy Holidays to you too Compadre!

    JAB wrote:


    https://twitter.com/crazyclipsonly/status/1737593293268041786



    Wow - she failed miserably


    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=657627588#657627588

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