• New Hampshire primary

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 23 21:10:32 2024
    Yahoo
    Trump holds off Haley to win New Hampshire primary:

    MSNBC
    Next Republican primary may be moot as Trump wins New Hampshire ======================================

    So, was DeSantis "blocking" for Trump ???

    Hopefully, SCOTUS will kick Trump off of the ballot in Nov.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 23 22:04:30 2024
    Quite the CNN exit poll. The question was, "Do you think Biden
    legitimately won in 2020?"

    AMONG TRUMP VOTERS
    Yes: 17%
    No: 80%

    AMONG HALEY VOTERS
    Yes: 83%
    No: 15%

    https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1749953686019682591

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Wed Jan 24 09:55:23 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 10:39:50 +0100
    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    No, Trump is the only chance for the US to regain the position it has
    lost. Biden will be the end of the country.

    So for the free world at large, lets hope that Trump wins and let's pray
    for him.

    On Tue, 23 Jan 2024, JAB wrote:

    Yahoo
    Trump holds off Haley to win New Hampshire primary:

    MSNBC
    Next Republican primary may be moot as Trump wins New Hampshire ======================================

    So, was DeSantis "blocking" for Trump ???

    Hopefully, SCOTUS will kick Trump off of the ballot in Nov.


    I had my suspicions about you. This post confirms it. You're an evil top-poster.

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Jan 24 10:39:50 2024
    No, Trump is the only chance for the US to regain the position it has
    lost. Biden will be the end of the country.

    So for the free world at large, lets hope that Trump wins and let's pray
    for him.

    On Tue, 23 Jan 2024, JAB wrote:

    Yahoo
    Trump holds off Haley to win New Hampshire primary:

    MSNBC
    Next Republican primary may be moot as Trump wins New Hampshire ======================================

    So, was DeSantis "blocking" for Trump ???

    Hopefully, SCOTUS will kick Trump off of the ballot in Nov.


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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 24 12:04:08 2024
    D wrote:

    No, Trump is the only chance for the US to regain the position it
    has lost. Biden will be the end of the country.

    Love him or hate him I do Donald think Trump would have handled the Russia/Ukraine situation differently... Putin knows Biden is a weak
    old man that can only talk a good fight... even Israel are paying no
    heed to his "two state" comments. He has no credibility on the world
    stage. If you are a pensioner that can barely walk properly you are
    not going to convey "World Super Power" when you show up are you?

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to blueshirt@indigo.news on Wed Jan 24 07:24:25 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 12:04:08 +0100, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    Trump would have handled the
    Russia/Ukraine situation differently...

    Yes, he would have appeased Putin...and fucked Ukrainians.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Wed Jan 24 07:26:38 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 10:39:50 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    So for the free world at large, lets hope that Trump wins

    Have you thought about moving to Europe?

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Wed Jan 24 07:40:21 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 10:39:50 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Trump


    Trump issues ominous threats of 'investigations' against Haley if she
    stays in race

    Donald Trump threatened that Nikki Haley would be "under
    investigation" if she beat him in the Republican primary after
    defeating her in New Hampshire.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-threats-nikki-haley-investigation-b2483741.html

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Jan 24 15:11:49 2024
    JAB wrote:

    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 12:04:08 +0100, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    Trump would have handled the
    Russia/Ukraine situation differently...

    Yes, he would have appeased Putin...and fucked Ukrainians.

    Well, they're getting fucked anyway... nobody seriously believes
    Ukraine has they power to regain their lost territory in the East or
    the Crimea solely by military means. (Well, unless WWIII kicks off
    and millions die for those bits of land.) Trump might have been able
    to negotiate come sort of ceasefire with Putin. Biden? Not a hope. He
    isn't taken seriously over here in Europe.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to blueshirt@indigo.news on Wed Jan 24 08:21:12 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 15:11:49 +0100, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    Trump might have been able
    to negotiate come sort of ceasefire with Putin.

    Highly doubtful.....

    How Russian Money Helped Save Trump's Business
    Foreign Policy
    Dec 21, 2018

    Following the Money: Trump and Russia-Linked ...
    Center for American Progress
    Dec 17, 2018

    GOP operative sentenced in scheme to funnel Russian money to Trump
    campaign
    Feb 18, 2023 https://www.axios.com/2023/02/18/gop-operative-sentenced-scheme-russian-money-trump-campaign

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Wed Jan 24 16:10:52 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    D wrote:

    No, Trump is the only chance for the US to regain the position it
    has lost. Biden will be the end of the country.

    Love him or hate him I do Donald think Trump would have handled the Russia/Ukraine situation differently... Putin knows Biden is a weak
    old man that can only talk a good fight... even Israel are paying no
    heed to his "two state" comments. He has no credibility on the world
    stage. If you are a pensioner that can barely walk properly you are
    not going to convey "World Super Power" when you show up are you?


    I agree 100%, and I am not even american. I also think that Bidens speech capabilities seem to be deteriorating. He sounds like very old retired
    people when he is talking, but that could just be editing I guess.

    In terms of europe, it would be immensely beneficial if Trump decided to decrease US support to Ukraine and I am a european.

    Why?

    Because europe has based its entire security on the idea that the US
    should come and rescue it everytime there is a problem and this has led to europes will to fight and europes military to become completely atrophied.

    In the short run it will of course be very unsettling, but in the long
    term the message is clear, take responsibility for your own region and do
    not rely on another country having to pay billions to keep you safe.

    In terms of ukraine, I only hope that the US contributions will be scaled
    down, and not terminated over night.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Jan 24 16:12:46 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 12:04:08 +0100, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    Trump would have handled the
    Russia/Ukraine situation differently...

    Yes, he would have appeased Putin...and fucked Ukrainians.


    Do note that Ukraine is not the responsibility of the US. It is first and foremost the responsibility of the ukrainian people, and second, the responsibility of europe.

    Europe has to learn to stand on its own two feet and not keep running home
    to the US as soon as there is turmoil in the world.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to John on Wed Jan 24 16:12:58 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:

    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 10:39:50 +0100
    D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    No, Trump is the only chance for the US to regain the position it has
    lost. Biden will be the end of the country.

    So for the free world at large, lets hope that Trump wins and let's pray
    for him.

    On Tue, 23 Jan 2024, JAB wrote:

    Yahoo
    Trump holds off Haley to win New Hampshire primary:

    MSNBC
    Next Republican primary may be moot as Trump wins New Hampshire
    ======================================

    So, was DeSantis "blocking" for Trump ???

    Hopefully, SCOTUS will kick Trump off of the ballot in Nov.


    I had my suspicions about you. This post confirms it. You're an evil top-poster.



    Apologies!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Jan 24 16:11:50 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 10:39:50 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    So for the free world at large, lets hope that Trump wins

    Have you thought about moving to Europe?


    I live in europe about 9 hours from Kiev.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Jan 24 17:12:07 2024
    JAB wrote:

    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 15:11:49 +0100, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    Trump might have been able to
    negotiate some sort of ceasefire with Putin.

    Highly doubtful.....

    How Russian Money Helped Save Trump's Business
    Foreign Policy
    Dec 21, 2018

    Following the Money: Trump and Russia-Linked ...
    Center for American Progress
    Dec 17, 2018

    GOP operative sentenced in scheme to funnel Russian money to Trump
    campaign
    Feb 18, 2023

    Yes, that's why I said he might have been able to negotiate some sort
    of ceasefire. It's no secret Trump has links with Russia. Russia are
    the ones that need to stand down and withdraw. Yet Russia is under no
    pressure from Joe Biden, so Trump's back-channels to Putin might have
    helped a ceasefire.

    Of course, when I say 'might' I'm also aware that Trump could have
    made things a heck of a lot worse too! But at least he had some
    communication with those guys... and some is always better than none!

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 24 17:19:48 2024
    D wrote:


    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:

    I had my suspicions about you. This post confirms it. You're an
    evil top-poster.

    Apologies!

    First rule of Usenet: Never apologise!

    Just quietly switch to bottom posting and say nothing... :-)

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 24 17:32:04 2024
    D wrote:

    Do note that Ukraine is not the responsibility of the US. It is
    first and foremost the responsibility of the ukrainian people, and
    second, the responsibility of europe.

    Europe has to learn to stand on its own two feet and not keep
    running home to the US as soon as there is turmoil in the world.

    The US could get away with being the world's police force when they
    had powerful leaders that carried gravitas on the world stage... but
    now they're led by a forgetful old man that can barely walk or talk
    properly! They hardly even let him out in public as they never know
    what gaffe he'll make next. If Zelenskyy is relying on Joe Biden he
    can forget about ever getting any of his Russian occupied land back!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Wed Jan 24 19:28:40 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    D wrote:

    Do note that Ukraine is not the responsibility of the US. It is
    first and foremost the responsibility of the ukrainian people, and
    second, the responsibility of europe.

    Europe has to learn to stand on its own two feet and not keep
    running home to the US as soon as there is turmoil in the world.

    The US could get away with being the world's police force when they
    had powerful leaders that carried gravitas on the world stage... but
    now they're led by a forgetful old man that can barely walk or talk
    properly! They hardly even let him out in public as they never know
    what gaffe he'll make next. If Zelenskyy is relying on Joe Biden he
    can forget about ever getting any of his Russian occupied land back!


    Agreed! That's why I hope a harsher line from the US will make the EU up
    its game.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to blueshirt@indigo.news on Wed Jan 24 13:01:41 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 17:12:07 +0100, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    Yes, that's why I said he might have been able to
    negotiate some sort of ceasefire.

    Putin has been in that territorial turf rhetoric...this is our land,
    and Russia is going to take it back.

    So, two sides want the same land...good luck is resolving.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Wed Jan 24 13:05:06 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 16:10:52 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I agree 100%, and I am not even american.

    Well now, I would suggest living in Russia, China, or even Iran.

    No system is perfect, but given a choice, rational people would not
    choose the above.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Wed Jan 24 13:06:12 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 16:10:52 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Because europe has based its entire security on the idea that the US
    should come and rescue it

    NATO....

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Wed Jan 24 19:27:39 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:

    I had my suspicions about you. This post confirms it. You're an
    evil top-poster.

    Apologies!

    First rule of Usenet: Never apologise!

    Just quietly switch to bottom posting and say nothing... :-)


    Will do! This is quite a learning experience, right here! =)

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Jan 24 22:40:43 2024
    JAB wrote:

    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 16:10:52 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Because europe has based its entire security on the idea that the
    US should come and rescue it

    NATO....

    NATO? Another bureaucratic gravy train...

    I hope NATO member countries are paying their way... as you know who
    will have something to say about it if they're not! ;-)

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to blueshirt@indigo.news on Wed Jan 24 15:24:17 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 17:32:04 +0100, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    The US could get away with being the world's police force

    Big Picture - China & Russia would like to eliminate US.

    China/Russia are both aggressors these days,
    with both seeking more turf.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to blueshirt@indigo.news on Wed Jan 24 16:37:53 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 22:40:43 +0100, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    I hope NATO member countries are paying their way... as you know who
    will have something to say about it if they're not! ;-)

    Big Picture - US's arm sales provide US manufactures money, who are
    taxed by Uncle Sam. Hence, it appears US got "cheated" but Uncle Sam
    reached into US manufactures' pockets for the payback.

    You know is a dumb cluck....

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to blueshirt@indigo.news on Wed Jan 24 16:41:59 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 22:40:43 +0100, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    At some stage the two parties will have
    to sit down and negotiate.

    I believe Russian "hawks" want more/more of "their" land.

    USSR's 'real estate' was quite large.....

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 24 22:29:55 2024
    New Hampshire primary results

    Donald Trump
    54.3%
    174,948 votes
    Gained 12 delegates

    Nikki Haley
    43.3%
    139,469 votes
    Gained 9 delegates
    ===================================

    54.3% is not a real win for Trump...it's a weak win.

    In 2020, he got 84.4%

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Jan 25 11:25:45 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 22:40:43 +0100, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    At some stage the two parties will have
    to sit down and negotiate.

    I believe Russian "hawks" want more/more of "their" land.

    USSR's 'real estate' was quite large.....


    I agree. The goal of Putin is to restore the land area of the USSR. Since
    he identifies himself with the state, I mean he _is_ the state, anything
    less means that he is less of a man.

    So from a european perspective, Putins attack against Ukraine must be
    stopped and borders restored. If not, Putin will negotiate, take what is
    given to him, and then launch the next war in 5-10 years time.

    Then the interesting thing is who will take over from Putin when he dies?

    Giving land away didn't work with Hitler and will never work with Putin,
    that is my firm opinion.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Thu Jan 25 11:21:41 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    JAB wrote:

    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 16:10:52 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Because europe has based its entire security on the idea that the
    US should come and rescue it

    NATO....

    NATO? Another bureaucratic gravy train...

    I hope NATO member countries are paying their way... as you know who
    will have something to say about it if they're not! ;-)


    NATO rests on one thing, and one thing only, the US. Without US, NATO will collapse because the EU is a completely non-functioning political
    structure which stops Nato from working should not the US be there in the background.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Thu Jan 25 07:55:33 2024
    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 11:25:45 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Then the interesting thing is who will take
    over from Putin when he dies?

    I believe Russia's Intel/Military agencies have been involved in this
    decision.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Thu Jan 25 07:49:54 2024
    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 11:21:41 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    NATO rests on one thing, and one thing only, the US. Without US, NATO will >collapse because the EU is a completely non-functioning political
    structure which stops Nato from working should not the US be there in the >background.

    Background Info - AFter WWII, Germany had restrictions on what type of
    military equipment it could produce. Smaller NATO countries do not
    have the means/ways to produce better arms. ==================================================


    Cold War

    The Cold War was a period of geopolitical tension between the United
    States and the Soviet Union and their respective allies, the Western
    Bloc and the Eastern Bloc, that started in 1947 after the end of World
    War II and lasted to 1991.

    The term cold war is used because there was no large-scale fighting
    directly between the two superpowers, but they each supported opposing
    sides in major regional conflicts known as proxy wars. The conflict
    was based on the ideological and geopolitical struggle for global
    influence by these two superpowers, following their roles as the
    Allies of World War II that led to victory against Nazi Germany and
    Imperial Japan in 1945.[2] Aside from the nuclear arms race and
    conventional military deployment, the struggle for dominance was
    expressed via indirect means, such as psychological warfare,
    propaganda campaigns, espionage, far-reaching embargoes, sports
    diplomacy, and technological competitions like the Space Race.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Jan 25 15:30:23 2024
    JAB wrote:

    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 11:21:41 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    NATO rests on one thing, and one thing only, the US. Without US,
    NATO will collapse because the EU is a completely non-functioning
    political structure which stops Nato from working should not the
    US be there in the background.

    Background Info - AFter WWII, Germany had restrictions on what type
    of military equipment it could produce. Smaller NATO countries do
    not have the means/ways to produce better arms.

    Europe needs to stop using NATO - and by definition the US - as its
    crutch. There's too much bureaucracy in the EU. It's nothing more
    than a gravy train and a talking shop for self-important politicians
    who like the sound of their own voice but are very slow at delivering
    anything. Political red tape holds up everything.

    The EU couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery let alone put
    together a meaningful EU army. Currently the "EU battle-groups" are
    about as useful as a chocolate teapot when it comes to armed
    conflicts in Europe, as after many years since their formation they
    are still not in full active service!

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Jan 25 15:33:42 2024
    JAB wrote:

    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 11:25:45 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Then the interesting thing is who will take
    over from Putin when he dies?

    I believe Russia's Intel/Military agencies have been involved in
    this decision.

    I wonder does the Kremlin have any balconies...

    Somebody inside the Russian administration must have surely thought
    about it!

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to blueshirt@indigo.news on Thu Jan 25 08:39:12 2024
    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 15:30:23 +0100, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:


    Europe needs to stop using NATO - and by definition the US - as its
    crutch. There's too much bureaucracy in the EU.

    Bureaucracy - a system of government in which most of the important
    decisions are made by state officials rather than by elected
    representatives.

    Elected representatives tend to be clueless, and some/many will be
    prone to self interest.

    China/Russia would agree...disband NATO.

    United we stand, and divided we fall.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Jan 25 16:30:16 2024
    JAB wrote:

    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 15:30:23 +0100, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:


    Europe needs to stop using NATO - and by definition the US - as
    its crutch. There's too much bureaucracy in the EU.

    - a system of government in which most of the important
    decisions are made by state officials rather than by elected
    representatives.

    I was thinking more in the line of...

    Bureaucracy: excessively complicated administrative procedure

    Elected representatives tend to be clueless, and some/many will be
    prone to self interest.

    They are. That's why a lot of EU regulations involve some sort of
    compromise and exclusions.

    China/Russia would agree...disband NATO.

    Nobody said disband NATO, but Europe is big enough and should be
    strong enough to look after it's own affairs... hanging on to US
    apron strings is just a crutch that enables European politicians to
    shirk making tough decisions. Hence the debacle of setting up the EU "battle-groups" and actually getting them in to service!

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to blueshirt@indigo.news on Thu Jan 25 10:08:23 2024
    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 16:30:16 +0100, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    Bureaucracy: excessively complicated administrative procedure

    A system, like a government, etc., are generally not perfect. Ego
    'power', 'protectionism', job security, etc., will exist.

    Screwed up behavior can be observed in United Nations, for instance.

    Here's a mouthful of BS below....Russia/China are doing it their way.

    "The United Nations is an intergovernmental organization whose stated
    purposes are to maintain international peace and security, develop
    friendly relations among nations, achieve international cooperation,
    and serve as a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations." Wiki

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Jan 25 20:08:12 2024
    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 11:25:45 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Then the interesting thing is who will take
    over from Putin when he dies?

    I believe Russia's Intel/Military agencies have been involved in this decision.

    I imagine many different factions. Intel, military, oligarchs etc. each
    trying to push their puppet onto the throne.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Thu Jan 25 20:09:38 2024
    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    JAB wrote:

    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 11:21:41 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    NATO rests on one thing, and one thing only, the US. Without US,
    NATO will collapse because the EU is a completely non-functioning
    political structure which stops Nato from working should not the
    US be there in the background.

    Background Info - AFter WWII, Germany had restrictions on what type
    of military equipment it could produce. Smaller NATO countries do
    not have the means/ways to produce better arms.

    Europe needs to stop using NATO - and by definition the US - as its
    crutch. There's too much bureaucracy in the EU. It's nothing more
    than a gravy train and a talking shop for self-important politicians
    who like the sound of their own voice but are very slow at delivering anything. Political red tape holds up everything.

    The EU couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery let alone put
    together a meaningful EU army. Currently the "EU battle-groups" are
    about as useful as a chocolate teapot when it comes to armed
    conflicts in Europe, as after many years since their formation they
    are still not in full active service!


    Do you live in europe yourself? As a european, I have to say that your
    insight into european politics is very good!

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Thu Jan 25 13:40:35 2024
    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 20:09:38 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    As a european, I have to say that your
    insight into european politics is very good!

    Human behavior is common to all humans...politics in general suck.

    Hawks are hawks, and doves are doves, but some countries don't allow
    doves to speak freely, unless they want to be locked up, etc.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 25 22:46:25 2024
    D wrote:


    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    Europe needs to stop using NATO - and by definition the US - as
    its crutch. There's too much bureaucracy in the EU. It's nothing
    more than a gravy train and a talking shop for self-important
    politicians who like the sound of their own voice but are very
    slow at delivering anything. Political red tape holds up
    everything.

    The EU couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery let alone put
    together a meaningful EU army. Currently the "EU battle-groups"
    are about as useful as a chocolate teapot when it comes to armed
    conflicts in Europe, as after many years since their formation
    they are still not in full active service!

    Do you live in europe yourself?

    Of course...

    As a european, I have to say that your insight
    into european politics is very good!

    University of Life! :-)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Fri Jan 26 12:11:23 2024
    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    D wrote:


    On Thu, 25 Jan 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    Europe needs to stop using NATO - and by definition the US - as
    its crutch. There's too much bureaucracy in the EU. It's nothing
    more than a gravy train and a talking shop for self-important
    politicians who like the sound of their own voice but are very
    slow at delivering anything. Political red tape holds up
    everything.

    The EU couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery let alone put
    together a meaningful EU army. Currently the "EU battle-groups"
    are about as useful as a chocolate teapot when it comes to armed
    conflicts in Europe, as after many years since their formation
    they are still not in full active service!

    Do you live in europe yourself?

    Of course...

    As a european, I have to say that your insight
    into european politics is very good!

    University of Life! :-)


    Got it! =)

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to blueshirt@indigo.news on Fri Jan 26 12:06:50 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 12:04:08 +0100, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    Love him or hate him I do Donald think Trump would have handled the >Russia/Ukraine situation differently

    Evaluate his behavior...
    ======================================================

    "Trump Storms Out of Court After E. Jean Carroll's Lawyer Tells Jurors
    He Acts as If Rules 'Don't Apply to Him'"

    https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1750900994123145400

    Robbie Kaplan ends her closing argument with this:

    "Now is the time to make him pay for it. And now is the time to make
    him pay for it dearly."

    https://twitter.com/eorden/status/1750911598368014700

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