• "extrauterine children"

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 21 09:26:13 2024
    Alabama's supreme court ruled embryos are 'extrauterine children'. IVF
    patients are worried

    The state's sweeping ruling leaves doctors and patients scrambling to
    untangle its implications for frozen embryos

    In a first-of-its-kind decision, the Alabama state supreme court ruled
    on Friday that embryos are "extrauterine children" - a term that could
    have widespread implications for anybody who is seeking or provides in
    vitro fertilization (IVF). The ruling has plunged IVF doctors and
    patients in Alabama into chaos and uncertainty, as they scramble to
    untangle the practical implications of the sweeping ruling.
    ...
    ...
    Since each created embryo is now a person in the eyes of the law, the
    Alabama ruling casts multiple parts of the IVF process into legal
    jeopardy. Providers may no longer be able to freeze, thaw, transfer or
    test embryos using best medical practices. People also frequently make
    more embryos than they use, and it is unclear if Alabamians would be
    able to ever dispose of those embryos under the supreme court ruling.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/21/alabama-ivf-embryo-extrauterine-children-ruling

    Jerks....

    John Opitz, a professor of pediatrics, human genetics, and obstetrics
    and gynecology at the University of Utah, testified before the
    President's Council on Bioethics that between 60 and 80 percent of all naturally conceived embryos are simply flushed out in women's normal
    menstrual flows unnoticed. This is not miscarriage we're talking
    about. The women and their husbands or partners never even know that
    conception has taken place; the embryos disappear from their wombs in
    their menstrual flows.

    http://reason.com/archives/2004/12/22/is-heaven-populated-chiefly-by

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Feb 22 07:56:27 2024
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 09:26:13 -0600, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

    Alabama's supreme court ruled embryos are 'extrauterine children'. IVF >patients are worried

    Fertility treatments freeze after Alabama Supreme Court's embryo
    ruling
    ...
    ...
    How it works: Doctors performing IVF typically try to retrieve as many
    eggs as possible, fertilize them and then transfer a fertilized egg
    back into the patient.

    The rest are kept frozen. It often takes more than one transfer to
    get pregnant, and the frozen embryos are also there if the patient
    decides to have more children later.

    https://www.axios.com/2024/02/21/alabama-supreme-court-ivf-treatments-pause

    FWIW, bad embryos have been sorted out from the good ones, so the
    pregnancy does not result in a 'defective' child.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Feb 22 19:26:51 2024
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 09:26:13 -0600, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

    Alabama's supreme court ruled embryos are 'extrauterine children'

    Kids these days do nothing but sit in frozen vats of liquid nitrogen

    https://twitter.com/scottjshapiro/status/1760806548568182824

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Feb 23 10:49:55 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 09:26:13 -0600, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

    Alabama's supreme court ruled embryos are 'extrauterine children'

    Kids these days do nothing but sit in frozen vats of liquid nitrogen

    https://twitter.com/scottjshapiro/status/1760806548568182824


    So typical, they should _never_ have installed flat screen TV:s in those
    vats!

    When I was young, we had to leave our vats daily for hard exercise at
    06:00 in the morning!

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Feb 23 07:26:42 2024
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 09:26:13 -0600, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

    Alabama's supreme court ruled embryos are 'extrauterine children'. IVF >patients are worried

    AXIOS
    Scoop: House GOP rushes to distance from Alabama IVF ruling

    House Republicans are quickly pushing back on an Alabama Supreme Court
    ruling restricting access to fertility treatments, with one GOP
    lawmaker already planning a legislative response, Axios has learned. https://www.axios.com/2024/02/22/house-republicans-alabama-ivf-ruling

    Yahoo News
    Some Republicans are voicing doubt over Alabama IVF ruling. Democrats
    see an opportunity


    WAVY.com
    Bible-quoting Alabama chief justice sparks church-state debate in
    embryo ruling

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Feb 23 19:32:36 2024
    On 2024-02-23, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 09:26:13 -0600, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

    Alabama's supreme court ruled embryos are 'extrauterine children'

    Kids these days do nothing but sit in frozen vats of liquid nitrogen

    https://twitter.com/scottjshapiro/status/1760806548568182824

    Sounds like some Alabamans better start coughing up monthly payments for
    child support, then! Fools.

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