Nord Stream sues insurers in London over 2022 pipeline blasts
Nord Stream is seeking more than 400 million euros ($436 million) from
its insurers over explosions in 2022 which ruptured pipelines designed
to transport Russian gas to Germany, court filings show.
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The lawsuit focuses on the explosions in September 2022 that ruptured
the Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 pipelines. Sweden - which last
month dropped its investigation - and Germany have both found traces
of explosives relating to the incident, suggesting it was a deliberate
act.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nord-stream-sues-insurers-london-over-2022-pipeline-blasts-2024-03-12/
I know there are insures who would not insure intentional acts like this...war clause, terrorist clause, etc.
Hmm, I died away after a while, but the last I heard was they found >connections to Ukraine, but could not prove anything conclusively.
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:44:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net>
wrote:
Hmm, I died away after a while, but the last I heard was
they found connections to Ukraine, but could not prove
anything conclusively.
Russia would have a motive for doing it.
JAB wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:44:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net>
wrote:
Hmm, I died away after a while, but the last I heard was
they found connections to Ukraine, but could not prove
anything conclusively.
Russia would have a motive for doing it.
That's the thing... everyone knows that. So I could have blown
up the Nord Stream pipeline knowing that Russia would get the
blame! So yes, Russia could well have done it, but putting the
blame on to Russia would also be a legitimate motive for other
agencies.
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024, Blueshirt wrote:
JAB wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:44:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net>
wrote:
Hmm, I died away after a while, but the last I heard was
they found connections to Ukraine, but could not prove
anything conclusively.
Russia would have a motive for doing it.
That's the thing... everyone knows that. So I could have
blown up the Nord Stream pipeline knowing that Russia would
get the blame! So yes, Russia could well have done it, but
putting the blame on to Russia would also be a legitimate
motive for other agencies.
That would be the logical choice. That's why I remember
reading that they found tracks that led to Ukraine, because I
thought it was russia. But, it was tracks and very vague and
it died down quickly in the media, so I assume nothing
conclusive ever came out of it.
So yes, Russia could well have done it,
D wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024, Blueshirt wrote:
JAB wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 09:44:09 +0100, D <nospam@example.net>
wrote:
Hmm, I died away after a while, but the last I heard was
they found connections to Ukraine, but could not prove
anything conclusively.
Russia would have a motive for doing it.
That's the thing... everyone knows that. So I could have
blown up the Nord Stream pipeline knowing that Russia would
get the blame! So yes, Russia could well have done it, but
putting the blame on to Russia would also be a legitimate
motive for other agencies.
That would be the logical choice. That's why I remember
reading that they found tracks that led to Ukraine, because I
thought it was russia. But, it was tracks and very vague and
it died down quickly in the media, so I assume nothing
conclusive ever came out of it.
Well, cynical people could say the reason it died down in the
media was because the investigation results were pointing in the
'wrong' direction!
JAB wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 16:01:16 +0100, "Blueshirt"
<blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
So yes, Russia could well have done it,
Cause >>> Effect
Funnily enough, Ukraine was against the building of the Nord
Stream pipelines as previously they had been the 'middlemen' for
Russian energy supplies to the EU (as Russian gas went through
their territory). Ukraine had just as much to gain from the
disruption, more so in fact as it was a Russian company that was
supplying the gas that went through the pipelines to Germany
before the flow was halted. So no gas flow to Europe = no money
for Russia.
There is a good case for either side to have been responsible,
and as mentioned, when the investigation pointed towards the
possibility it was caused by pro-Ukrainian saboteurs, the story
died in the media.
Life isn't always black and white!
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 16:01:16 +0100, "Blueshirt"
<blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
So yes, Russia could well have done it,
Cause >>> Effect
Cause >>> Effect
Funnily enough,
Nord Stream 1 pipeline to Germany on Friday evening,
providing no timeframe for a reopening.
The move came hours after G7 countries agreed to impose
a price cap on Russian oil
Putin warns the West: Russia is ready for nuclear war
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 18:30:22 +0100, "Blueshirt"
<blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Cause >>> Effect
Funnily enough,
Ever noticed people fall out of windows in Russia, have a plane crash,
die in other countries, or die in prison?
Read below carefully:
Nord Stream 1 pipeline to Germany on Friday evening,
providing no timeframe for a reopening.
The move came hours after G7 countries agreed to impose
a price cap on Russian oil
Putin warns the West: Russia is ready for nuclear war
Now, think about Putin's alter ego.....aka temper-tantrums-R-Putin
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024, JAB wrote:
Now, think about Putin's alter ego.....aka
temper-tantrums-R-Putin
He's been saying that for a long time. Yet, it's nothing worth
caring about. Putin knows that the moment he reaches for "ze
button" he will be killed since his oligarchs want to enjoy
their wealth in the west and not sit forever in the cold in a
nuclear winter in moscow.
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 18:30:22 +0100, "Blueshirt"
<blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Cause >>> Effect
Funnily enough,
Ever noticed people fall out of windows in Russia, have a
plane crash, die in other countries, or die in prison?
Read below carefully:
quickest way for the war in Ukraine to end
would be for Putin to send a small nuke there.
We might never know for sure, but
nothing would surprise me. It really isn't black and white.
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 21:49:13 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
quickest way for the war in Ukraine to end
would be for Putin to send a small nuke there.
" Russia is ready for nuclear war - Putin
Putin warns United States against sending troops
" https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-russia-ready-nuclear-war-not-everything-rushing-it-2024-03-13/
Above might suggest that's the plan...nuke Ukraine.
D wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024, JAB wrote:
Now, think about Putin's alter ego.....aka
temper-tantrums-R-Putin
He's been saying that for a long time. Yet, it's nothing worth
caring about. Putin knows that the moment he reaches for "ze
button" he will be killed since his oligarchs want to enjoy
their wealth in the west and not sit forever in the cold in a
nuclear winter in moscow.
To be honest I'm surprised that somebody from 'within' hasn't
already assassinated Putin. With his actions he has taken Russia
back decades and made pariahs out of every Russian business that
operated around the world. All because of his ego!
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024, Blueshirt wrote:
To be honest I'm surprised that somebody from 'within' hasn't
already assassinated Putin. With his actions he has taken
Russia back decades and made pariahs out of every Russian
business that operated around the world. All because of his
ego!
I think this is due to calculated risk. They count on russia
winning the war and eventually having things go back to normal
after "peace" negotiations. They will then go back to their
yachts and they have strengthened their position with the Tsar
for sticking with him.
Once it is clear that things will not return to normal, or
that the war is lost I think we'll see some action. Question
is if it will be an orderly succession with Putin happily
retired in the country house as a "man of the people" or an
assassination?
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 21:49:13 +0100, D <nospam@example.net>
wrote:
quickest way for the war in Ukraine to end
would be for Putin to send a small nuke there.
" Russia is ready for nuclear war - Putin
Putin warns United States against sending troops
"
Above might suggest that's the plan...nuke Ukraine.
I suspect he thought nobody would care if he
grabbed a little bit of eastern Ukraine
D wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024, Blueshirt wrote:
To be honest I'm surprised that somebody from 'within' hasn't
already assassinated Putin. With his actions he has taken
Russia back decades and made pariahs out of every Russian
business that operated around the world. All because of his
ego!
I think this is due to calculated risk. They count on russia
winning the war and eventually having things go back to normal
after "peace" negotiations. They will then go back to their
yachts and they have strengthened their position with the Tsar
for sticking with him.
A bad judgement call by Putin.
I suspect he thought nobody would care if he grabbed a little
bit of eastern Ukraine and people would adjust to the new lines
on the map of eastern Europe. As it has done for centuries with
all the other 'adjustments' that have taken place over the
years...
I don't think Putin thought the 'West' would go so far to defend
those parts of Ukraine that had large percentages of ethnic
Russian communities. He misjudged the situation, started a war
and dug a hole for Russia... and he's kept digging ever since.
Once it is clear that things will not return to normal, or
that the war is lost I think we'll see some action. Question
is if it will be an orderly succession with Putin happily
retired in the country house as a "man of the people" or an
assassination?
Russian leaders don't tend to retire and grow old...
the Nord Stream gas pipelines were bones of
contention before the Russia/Ukraine war
started in 2022,
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