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  • Russia Has Moved Tactical Nuclear Weapons to Belarus, Western Officials

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 18 21:52:25 2024
    Russia Has Moved Tactical Nuclear Weapons to Belarus, Western
    Officials Confirm

    Russia has moved tactical nuclear weapons from its own borders into
    neighboring Belarus, several hundred miles closer to NATO territory,
    Western officials confirmed to Foreign Policy, as Russian President
    Vladimir Putin threatens a wider military showdown with the alliance
    over its continued support for Ukraine.

    The move, which Putin first announced in June of last year, is likely
    aimed at ramping up pressure on NATO's eastern flank. It follows years
    of nuclear saber-rattling intended to scare the West into paring back
    its support for Ukraine, now in its third year of war against Russia's invasion, though top NATO officials insist that the move doesn't
    drastically change the nature of Russia's military threats to NATO.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/03/14/russia-nuclear-weapons-belarus-putin/

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Mar 20 12:17:17 2024
    On 2024-03-19, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:
    Russia Has Moved Tactical Nuclear Weapons to Belarus, Western
    Officials Confirm

    Could also be theatrics: he knows the West is watching and will notice
    the repositioning. West will be reminded they think he's willing to use
    a nuke to get what he wants, regardless of whether it's true (it likely
    is true).

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Wed Mar 20 11:34:36 2024
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 12:17:17 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Could also be theatrics: he knows the West is watching
    and will notice the repositioning.

    Warfare has used bluffs

    10 Greatest Bluffs in History that Actually Paid-Off https://amuedge.com/10-greatest-bluffs-in-history-that-actually-paid-off/

    Why is it called saber rattling?

    The History of 'Saber-rattling' | Merriam-Webster

    Some think that it comes from the practice of 18th-century Hungarian
    cavalry units had of brandishing their sabers at opponents prior to
    charging. Others have said that it comes from the habit that military
    officers had in the early 20th century of ominously shaking their
    scabbard when issuing orders to subordinates.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Wed Mar 20 11:55:15 2024
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 12:17:17 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    West will be reminded they think he's willing to use
    a nuke to get what he wants

    Russian hard-liners have suggested using Nukes....but this could just
    be bluff rhetoric.

    NATO does not need to move their NUKEs.

    Russian short range nuclear weapons have a range of 500-600 km, some
    372 miles max.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Wed Mar 20 12:39:32 2024
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 12:17:17 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Could also be theatrics

    If done, I suspect several hundred billion of "locked up" Russian
    money would not be transferred back to Russia.


    EU plans to send Russian frozen asset revenues to Ukraine arms fund
    ...
    ...
    Some 70% of all Russian assets immobilised in the West is held in the
    Belgian central securities depository Euroclear, which has the
    equivalent of 190 billion euros ($206.1 billion) worth of various
    Russian central bank securities and cash.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eus-borrell-wants-use-90-frozen-russian-assets-revenues-buy-arms-ukraine-2024-03-19/

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Wed Mar 20 14:45:32 2024
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 12:17:17 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    West is watching

    And if Russia nukes Ukraine, the West may curtail most of its
    relationships with Russia. End of travel to the West, end of western
    business enterprises in Russia, etc. Any western products there will
    not get repair parts/etc.

    Does Putin feel lucky?

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Mar 20 21:29:26 2024
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 12:17:17 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Could also be theatrics

    If done, I suspect several hundred billion of "locked up" Russian
    money would not be transferred back to Russia.


    EU plans to send Russian frozen asset revenues to Ukraine arms fund
    ...
    ...
    Some 70% of all Russian assets immobilised in the West is held in the
    Belgian central securities depository Euroclear, which has the
    equivalent of 190 billion euros ($206.1 billion) worth of various
    Russian central bank securities and cash.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eus-borrell-wants-use-90-frozen-russian-assets-revenues-buy-arms-ukraine-2024-03-19/



    As I understood it, this would not be the assets themselves, but only
    interest. There is a hue legal problem with just seizing assets, since
    that sets a precedent for the next dictator in europe to just confiscate things.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Wed Mar 20 20:37:58 2024
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 21:29:26 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    As I understood it, this would not be the assets themselves, but only >interest. There is a hue legal problem with just seizing assets,

    If Putin nukes Ukraine....their minds may change....

    EU leaders to discuss using profits from Russian assets to arm Ukraine

    European Union leaders will discuss a plan on Thursday to use billions
    of euros in profits from frozen Russian financial assets to buy arms
    for Ukraine as they try to bolster Kyiv in its fight against Moscow's
    invasion.
    ...
    ...
    The Commission estimated the profits on the assets - various Russian
    central bank securities and cash - could be between 2.5 billion euros
    ($2.73 billion) and 3 billion euros per year.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-leaders-discuss-using-profits-russian-assets-arm-ukraine-2024-03-20/

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Mar 21 10:31:46 2024
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 21:29:26 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    As I understood it, this would not be the assets themselves, but only
    interest. There is a hue legal problem with just seizing assets,

    If Putin nukes Ukraine....their minds may change....

    Of course! Putin nuking Ukraine will be the absolutely quickest way for
    him to lose the war and to die. It will whip up the passive western world
    into a fury. I doubt china would even dare to say anything but would just
    take a polite step back and watch the quick end of the current russian
    regime.



    EU leaders to discuss using profits from Russian assets to arm Ukraine

    European Union leaders will discuss a plan on Thursday to use billions
    of euros in profits from frozen Russian financial assets to buy arms
    for Ukraine as they try to bolster Kyiv in its fight against Moscow's invasion.
    ...
    ...
    The Commission estimated the profits on the assets - various Russian
    central bank securities and cash - could be between 2.5 billion euros
    ($2.73 billion) and 3 billion euros per year.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-leaders-discuss-using-profits-russian-assets-arm-ukraine-2024-03-20/


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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Thu Mar 21 09:10:02 2024
    On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 10:31:46 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    There is a hue legal problem with just seizing assets,

    If Putin nukes Ukraine....their minds may change....

    Of course! Putin nuking Ukraine

    "The EU and the Group of Seven nations (G7) froze some 300 billion
    euros ($323 billion) of Russian central bank assets following Moscow's
    invasion of Ukraine. " https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/eu-gives-details-its-measures-regarding-russian-central-bank-assets-2024-02-12/

    Russia on Wednesday described the EU plan as banditism and theft. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-leaders-discuss-using-profits-russian-assets-arm-ukraine-2024-03-20/


    banditism - Banditry is a type of organized crime committed by outlaws typically involving the threat or use of violence. Wiki


    I never gave this much thought....this money could be frozen forever
    or taken if Putin nukes Ukraine.

    As noted yesterday, all of those US/European manufactured products
    (planes, industrial, etc) could not be repaired with parts or
    tech-help from these countries if Putin nukes Ukraine...is most likely
    the outcome.

    Would Putin gamble that noting will be done if he nukes....only
    toe-hold Putin has now is that natural gas going to Europe.

    If Putin wants a neo Cold War, it's up to him. Just Russia/China
    doing business...

    whip up the passive western world into a fury.

    I suspect NATO/US/etc have marked Russian locations for an in kind
    response.

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