• civil disobedience is only option

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 11 21:01:18 2024
    Berlin Tesla activists say civil disobedience is only option


    Police are braced for further protests at the Tesla factory site in
    Grunheide near Berlin. Activists protesting the expansion of the
    facility say they have no course of action left but civil
    disobedience.

    https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-tesla-activists-say-civil-disobedience-is-only-option/a-69054007

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun May 12 13:03:08 2024
    On Sat, 11 May 2024, JAB wrote:

    Berlin Tesla activists say civil disobedience is only option


    Police are braced for further protests at the Tesla factory site in
    Grunheide near Berlin. Activists protesting the expansion of the
    facility say they have no course of action left but civil
    disobedience.

    https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-tesla-activists-say-civil-disobedience-is-only-option/a-69054007

    I am all in favour of civil disobedience, regardless of ideology, as long
    as you don't complain about the consequences when the police comes and as
    long as you don't risk lives of others.

    To give you an example, in sweden it is very common for eco-fascist to
    glue themselves to highway to stop traffic. I am against this, because it
    has happened that ambulances cannot reach the hospital and peoples lives
    are at risk. This is one case where I am against it.

    Should they glue themselves to the ground outside the entrance of an oil company office, I would still find it silly and disagree, but I would have
    a lot less against it, in principle.

    In my own case, I was civil disobediencing all my way through corona by refusing wearing a mask, and by refusing to stay inside and by refusing to vaccinate myself, and that is why I grant leftists the same right for
    their concerns.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sun May 12 19:11:57 2024
    On Sun, 12 May 2024 13:03:08 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I am all in favour of civil disobedience, regardless of ideology, as long
    as you don't complain about the consequences when the police comes and as >long as you don't risk lives of others.

    1989's Tiananmen Square protests: The escaped dissident still pursued
    decades on by China
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgy7xypwj8o

    civil disobedience

    I suspect someone has evaluated protest effectiveness, but most
    likely, most all protests fail at meeting some objective.

    I still believe those involved in the Pro-Palestinian protests are
    illiterate about Iran's/Hamas's "final solution" objective.

    refusing wearing a mask, ...stay inside...vaccinate myself,

    My father refused to get a Polio shot and died in an iron lung.

    What if Mary Mallon cooked your meals...are you OK with that?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon May 13 11:57:25 2024
    On Sun, 12 May 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Sun, 12 May 2024 13:03:08 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I am all in favour of civil disobedience, regardless of ideology, as long
    as you don't complain about the consequences when the police comes and as
    long as you don't risk lives of others.

    1989's Tiananmen Square protests: The escaped dissident still pursued
    decades on by China
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgy7xypwj8o

    That reminds me of some chinese people who visited sweden. By pure chance
    there was a documentary on Tianmen on tv, and the next day they came to
    the office talking about the horrible propaganda documentary they saw on swedish TV full of lies. ;)

    civil disobedience

    I suspect someone has evaluated protest effectiveness, but most
    likely, most all protests fail at meeting some objective.

    I still believe those involved in the Pro-Palestinian protests are
    illiterate about Iran's/Hamas's "final solution" objective.

    I'm with team Yahve, but I still think palestinians should be allowed to protest and atheist should be encourage to burn the Qoran.

    refusing wearing a mask, ...stay inside...vaccinate myself,

    My father refused to get a Polio shot and died in an iron lung.

    Sorry to hear it. But it was his choice and he made it.

    What if Mary Mallon cooked your meals...are you OK with that?

    Don't know her, so probably not. But if she wants to get to know me, and
    if she's a good cook, maybe. ;)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon


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  • From D@21:1/5 to Auric Hellman on Mon May 13 11:58:42 2024
    On Sun, 12 May 2024, Auric Hellman wrote:

    On 5/12/2024 7:03 AM, D wrote:


    On Sat, 11 May 2024, JAB wrote:

    Berlin Tesla activists say civil disobedience is only option


    Police are braced for further protests at the Tesla factory site in
    Grunheide near Berlin. Activists protesting the expansion of the
    facility say they have no course of action left but civil
    disobedience.

    https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-tesla-activists-say-civil-disobedience-is-only-option/a-69054007

    I am all in favour of civil disobedience, regardless of ideology, as long
    as you don't complain about the consequences when the police comes and as
    long as you don't risk lives of others.

    To give you an example, in sweden it is very common for eco-fascist to glue >> themselves to highway to stop traffic. I am against this, because it has
    happened that ambulances cannot reach the hospital and peoples lives are at >> risk. This is one case where I am against it.

    Should they glue themselves to the ground outside the entrance of an oil
    company office, I would still find it silly and disagree, but I would have >> a lot less against it, in principle.

    In my own case, I was civil disobediencing all my way through corona by
    refusing wearing a mask, and by refusing to stay inside and by refusing to >> vaccinate myself, and that is why I grant leftists the same right for their >> concerns.


    My youth growing up in Southern Africa saw severe consequences for acts of civil disobedience, yet our convictions were strong to carry on. Authorities downplay these acts of protest but time has proven they work, which is why the heavy-handed threats are issued. A few will carry the burden but the whole will see positive results. Look no further than the civil rights movement in America.

    What did you do, and how were you punished?

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Mon May 13 07:01:52 2024
    On Mon, 13 May 2024 11:58:42 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    punished?

    South Africa: Overcoming Apartheid

    Summary

    Pass laws were designed to control the movement of Africans under
    apartheid. These laws evolved from regulations imposed by the Dutch
    and British in the 18th and 19th-century slave economy of the Cape
    Colony. In the 19th century, new pass laws were enacted for the
    purpose of ensuring a reliable supply of cheap, docile African labor
    for the gold and diamond mines. In 1952, the government enacted an
    even more rigid law that required all African males over the age of 16
    to carry a "reference book" (replacing the previous passbook)
    containing personal information and employment history.

    Africans often were compelled to violate the pass laws to find work to
    support their families, so harassment, fines, and arrests under the
    pass laws were a constant threat to many urban Africans. Protest
    against these humiliating laws fueled the anti-apartheid struggle -
    from the Defiance Campaign (1952-54), the massive women's protest in
    Pretoria (1956), to burning of passes at the police station in
    Sharpeville where 69 protesters were massacred (1960). In the 1970s
    and 1980s, many Africans found in violation of pass laws were stripped
    of citizenship and deported to poverty-stricken rural "homelands." By
    the time the increasingly expensive and ineffective pass laws were
    repealed in 1986, they had led to more than 17 million arrests.

    https://overcomingapartheid.msu.edu/multimedia.php?kid=163-582-15

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Mon May 13 06:51:44 2024
    On Mon, 13 May 2024 11:57:25 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    That reminds me of some chinese people who visited sweden. By pure chance >there was a documentary on Tianmen on tv, and the next day they came to
    the office talking about the horrible propaganda documentary they saw on >swedish TV full of lies. ;)

    Russians say the same in regards to Ukraine

    What if Mary Mallon cooked your meals...are you OK with that?

    Don't know her, so probably not. But if she wants to get to know me, and
    if she's a good cook, maybe. ;)

    She served a side order of typhoid fever, at every meal

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to adhellman1@gmail.com on Mon May 13 06:57:17 2024
    On Sun, 12 May 2024 23:02:33 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <adhellman1@gmail.com> wrote:

    Southern Africa saw severe consequences for acts
    of civil disobedience

    Yes, I'm aware....younger ones are mostly unaware.

    Civil disobedience can bring about change, but in many protests, very
    little if any change.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Auric Hellman on Tue May 14 20:59:45 2024
    On Mon, 13 May 2024, Auric Hellman wrote:

    On 5/13/2024 5:58 AM, D wrote:


    On Sun, 12 May 2024, Auric Hellman wrote:

    On 5/12/2024 7:03 AM, D wrote:


    On Sat, 11 May 2024, JAB wrote:

    Berlin Tesla activists say civil disobedience is only option


    Police are braced for further protests at the Tesla factory site in
    Grunheide near Berlin. Activists protesting the expansion of the
    facility say they have no course of action left but civil
    disobedience.

    https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-tesla-activists-say-civil-disobedience-is-only-option/a-69054007

    I am all in favour of civil disobedience, regardless of ideology, as long >>>> as you don't complain about the consequences when the police comes and as >>>> long as you don't risk lives of others.

    To give you an example, in sweden it is very common for eco-fascist to >>>> glue themselves to highway to stop traffic. I am against this, because it >>>> has happened that ambulances cannot reach the hospital and peoples lives >>>> are at risk. This is one case where I am against it.

    Should they glue themselves to the ground outside the entrance of an oil >>>> company office, I would still find it silly and disagree, but I would
    have a lot less against it, in principle.

    In my own case, I was civil disobediencing all my way through corona by >>>> refusing wearing a mask, and by refusing to stay inside and by refusing >>>> to vaccinate myself, and that is why I grant leftists the same right for >>>> their concerns.


    My youth growing up in Southern Africa saw severe consequences for acts of >>> civil disobedience, yet our convictions were strong to carry on.
    Authorities downplay these acts of protest but time has proven they work, >>> which is why the heavy-handed threats are issued. A few will carry the
    burden but the whole will see positive results. Look no further than the >>> civil rights movement in America.

    What did you do, and how were you punished?


    During The Mafeje affair protests in 1968, the government incited counter-protesters to physically assault and harass those participating in the sit-in. During the Soweto riots, we had dogs attack us and water cannons directed out way. I was one of the luckier ones; some of my fellow students disappeared and were never heard from again.

    Horrible. As it almost says in the bible, they died for our sins.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to adhellman1@gmail.com on Wed May 15 21:28:42 2024
    On Wed, 15 May 2024 16:12:16 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <adhellman1@gmail.com> wrote:

    Nothing will strengthen the resolve of an atheist or agnostic than
    reading the Bible. I believe most people who are religious never read it.

    Religion's wellspring has been interpolated differently, with a pinch
    or more of extrapolation by various 'authors'

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Auric Hellman on Thu May 16 12:27:25 2024
    On Wed, 15 May 2024, Auric Hellman wrote:

    On 5/14/2024 2:59 PM, D wrote:


    On Mon, 13 May 2024, Auric Hellman wrote:

    On 5/13/2024 5:58 AM, D wrote:


    On Sun, 12 May 2024, Auric Hellman wrote:

    On 5/12/2024 7:03 AM, D wrote:


    On Sat, 11 May 2024, JAB wrote:

    Berlin Tesla activists say civil disobedience is only option


    Police are braced for further protests at the Tesla factory site in >>>>>>> Grunheide near Berlin. Activists protesting the expansion of the >>>>>>> facility say they have no course of action left but civil
    disobedience.

    https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-tesla-activists-say-civil-disobedience-is-only-option/a-69054007

    I am all in favour of civil disobedience, regardless of ideology, as >>>>>> long as you don't complain about the consequences when the police comes >>>>>> and as long as you don't risk lives of others.

    To give you an example, in sweden it is very common for eco-fascist to >>>>>> glue themselves to highway to stop traffic. I am against this, because >>>>>> it has happened that ambulances cannot reach the hospital and peoples >>>>>> lives are at risk. This is one case where I am against it.

    Should they glue themselves to the ground outside the entrance of an >>>>>> oil company office, I would still find it silly and disagree, but I >>>>>> would have a lot less against it, in principle.

    In my own case, I was civil disobediencing all my way through corona by >>>>>> refusing wearing a mask, and by refusing to stay inside and by refusing >>>>>> to vaccinate myself, and that is why I grant leftists the same right >>>>>> for their concerns.


    My youth growing up in Southern Africa saw severe consequences for acts >>>>> of civil disobedience, yet our convictions were strong to carry on.
    Authorities downplay these acts of protest but time has proven they
    work, which is why the heavy-handed threats are issued. A few will carry >>>>> the burden but the whole will see positive results. Look no further than >>>>> the civil rights movement in America.

    What did you do, and how were you punished?


    During The Mafeje affair protests in 1968, the government incited
    counter-protesters to physically assault and harass those participating in >>> the sit-in. During the Soweto riots, we had dogs attack us and water
    cannons directed out way. I was one of the luckier ones; some of my fellow >>> students disappeared and were never heard from again.

    Horrible. As it almost says in the bible, they died for our sins.


    Nothing will strengthen the resolve of an atheist or agnostic than reading the Bible. I believe most people who are religious never read it.

    Welcome to alt.atheism. Many funny weirdos there. ;) I've read the new testament a few times, but never bothered with the old.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to adhellman1@gmail.com on Thu May 16 19:59:06 2024
    On Thu, 16 May 2024 16:20:08 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <adhellman1@gmail.com> wrote:

    trolls..low-lifes'.

    Generally, they have an agenda, and what opposes their thinking is
    rejected.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Auric Hellman on Sat May 18 00:37:00 2024
    On Thu, 16 May 2024, Auric Hellman wrote:

    On 5/16/2024 6:27 AM, D wrote:


    On Wed, 15 May 2024, Auric Hellman wrote:

    On 5/14/2024 2:59 PM, D wrote:


    On Mon, 13 May 2024, Auric Hellman wrote:

    On 5/13/2024 5:58 AM, D wrote:


    On Sun, 12 May 2024, Auric Hellman wrote:

    On 5/12/2024 7:03 AM, D wrote:


    On Sat, 11 May 2024, JAB wrote:

    Berlin Tesla activists say civil disobedience is only option >>>>>>>>>

    Police are braced for further protests at the Tesla factory site in >>>>>>>>> Grunheide near Berlin. Activists protesting the expansion of the >>>>>>>>> facility say they have no course of action left but civil
    disobedience.

    https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-tesla-activists-say-civil-disobedience-is-only-option/a-69054007

    I am all in favour of civil disobedience, regardless of ideology, as >>>>>>>> long as you don't complain about the consequences when the police >>>>>>>> comes and as long as you don't risk lives of others.

    To give you an example, in sweden it is very common for eco-fascist >>>>>>>> to glue themselves to highway to stop traffic. I am against this, >>>>>>>> because it has happened that ambulances cannot reach the hospital and >>>>>>>> peoples lives are at risk. This is one case where I am against it. >>>>>>>>
    Should they glue themselves to the ground outside the entrance of an >>>>>>>> oil company office, I would still find it silly and disagree, but I >>>>>>>> would have a lot less against it, in principle.

    In my own case, I was civil disobediencing all my way through corona >>>>>>>> by refusing wearing a mask, and by refusing to stay inside and by >>>>>>>> refusing to vaccinate myself, and that is why I grant leftists the >>>>>>>> same right for their concerns.


    My youth growing up in Southern Africa saw severe consequences for >>>>>>> acts of civil disobedience, yet our convictions were strong to carry >>>>>>> on. Authorities downplay these acts of protest but time has proven >>>>>>> they work, which is why the heavy-handed threats are issued. A few >>>>>>> will carry the burden but the whole will see positive results. Look no >>>>>>> further than the civil rights movement in America.

    What did you do, and how were you punished?


    During The Mafeje affair protests in 1968, the government incited
    counter-protesters to physically assault and harass those participating >>>>> in the sit-in. During the Soweto riots, we had dogs attack us and water >>>>> cannons directed out way. I was one of the luckier ones; some of my
    fellow students disappeared and were never heard from again.

    Horrible. As it almost says in the bible, they died for our sins.


    Nothing will strengthen the resolve of an atheist or agnostic than reading >>> the Bible. I believe most people who are religious never read it.

    Welcome to alt.atheism. Many funny weirdos there. ;) I've read the new
    testament a few times, but never bothered with the old.

    I tried posting there a number of years ago and was met with annoying trolls, which the majority of the group seemed to embrace. I am not egotistical but certainly felt a man of my stature should not interact with such low-lifes'. I haven't been back since.

    Oh they are still there. I've used the group for killfile harvesting, so
    about 90% of the messages are blocked either by knowing the individuals or
    by my rule that blocks any message sent to more than 3 groups.

    The remainder sometimes is interesting, but definitely not always.

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