• "Intelligence and religiosity"

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    Intelligence and religiosity
    June 5th, 2024

    According to statistics that are likely out of date and obsolete there is a negative 0.2 correlation between religiosity and intelligence. A 0.2 correlation is substantial.

    Of course, this relies on the definition of woke and progressivism as not religions. There is apt to be a positive correlation between adherence to
    the state religion, and intelligence, because you have to adhere, or at
    least pass as adhering, to the state religion, in order to be a member of
    the state or quasi state elite. And smart people are apt to do whatever it takes to get into the elite.

    So, the state religion will have more of the smarties, and the other
    religions necessarily less. Unless, of course, the state religion is really stupid, and anyone smart is suspected of heresy, and therefore is not
    allowed into the state and quasi state elite.

    For several decades, an IQ north of 140 locked you out of the elite. Then an
    IQ north of 130. These days it is starting to look more like an IQ north of 100, and it takes an IQ of at least 105 to make stuff work, to do almost any productive task unsupervised and self organised.

    Because a state is necessarily based on a synthetic tribe, because faiths
    are synthetic tribes, and any synthetic tribe is going to have the characteristics of a faith, it has always been the case that adherence is required of members of the state and quasi state elite, and all states
    always are going to require adherence. Always have and always will.
    Separation of Church and State is always a lie. The question is always: what
    is the State Religion to be?

    But some religions are considerably dumber than others.

    The French Church of Reason, which was the enlightenment acknowledging what
    it is apt to deny, that it is a religion, was clever silly. Its priesthood
    had to be very very smart, in order to understand the very clever rationalisations for believing very silly things.

    Similarly, Orthodox Judaism. You have to be mighty smart to understand the reasoning as to why gross violation of the Lord's commandments constitutes
    the strictest adherence to them. As I have often remarked, the Talmud is in large part a vast collection of lawsuits against God which the Jews believe they won and God lost.

    It is striking that Orthodox Jewish contribution to science and technology
    is absolutely insignificant, while Jewish contribution is considerable, and often very impressive. I conjecture that if you believe in a God that can be fooled and bamboozled with too clever by half rationalisations, you believe
    in a nature that can be fooled and bamboozled by clever lawyer tricks and bureaucratic bullshit, which as Richard Feynman observed, leads to
    attempting to launch rockets that blow up. As Feynman observed, nature
    cannot be fooled. Islam suffers a related a problem, because of its belief
    in a capricious and changeable God. If you believe in a God that can change
    and lie, you believe that Nature can change and lie. When debugging code,
    you are too likely to give up on Schrodinger bugs, like the infamous bug
    where LibreOffice could not print on Tuesdays, which kept being marked "will not fix".

    Unix and Linux has a notorious problem with reliably identifying file types, which has led to no end of bugs, due to shotgun parsing. It should have been immediately suspected that this was yet another one of those. In retrospect, the bug was not a Schrodinger bug at all. A Schrodinger bug is never a Schrodinger bug in retrospect. It is always something that should have been
    one of the usual suspects. I don't think Islam was to blame for the "will
    not fix" dismissal of this bug, but Islam encourages the mindset that led to "will not fix". "$#!% just happens, nothing one can do about it". When one Linux program is passing a temporary file to another Linux program created
    by a different group of engineers, and something funny happens, file type misidentification should be on one's list of the usual suspects.

    The primary cause of Boeing's Starliner moon mission just not getting off
    the ground, parts falling of Boeing airliners, and repeated "unusual extreme turbulence" events severely injuring Boeing airliner passengers and crew,
    seems to be tech lead Shaniqua, but tech lead Shaniqua's "$#!% just happens, nothing one can do about it" mindset is clearly visible. Nasa gave launch approval with a "will not fix. $#!% just happens, nothing one can do about
    it" failure in the valve system, on the basis that the observed failures
    would not have led to any great harm. But if one valve fails mysteriously,
    and it does no great harm, another valve could fail mysteriously, and cause catastrophic mission failure. This is similar to what led to the Challenger disaster. They figured burn through in the Challenger booster was not doing enough harm to lead to catastrophe -- but had no idea what was causing burn through, or why some burns burned further through than others. And one day
    it burned all the way through, which some people accurately predicted, and permanently lost their careers for accurately predicting.

    Getting back on topic. The enlightenment faith was a very clever religion, a too clever by half religion, a clever silly religion. And an excellent
    example of this was the extraordinarily brilliant philosopher George Bernard Shaw, who believed in all sorts of completely stupid things. For example he visited Soviet Russia during the great Holodomor famine, and believed that
    the Soviet Union was doing a great job of looking after the peasant masses
    and that food was abundant.

    But as our officially unofficial faith became holier and holier, it became sillier and sillier, and people just gave up concocting and learning clever rationalisations. The last clever rationaliser was Scott Alexander, who came
    up with no end of amazingly clever rationales for the grossest stupidity,
    and was predictably purged on suspicion of heresy.

    Anyone really smart in the elite is really old or recently died, for example Larry Summers and Kissinger. The slightly younger ones, for example Hillary Clinton, are midwits, and the new generation of the elite is just stupid. It looks like the mean IQ of the Harvard intake is south of a hundred.

    The Dark Enlightenment is smart and takes as its fundamental principle
    engaging with empirical reality through the scientific method, rather than finding clever reasons to ignore reality after the fashion of the
    Enlightenment and peer review. (Though these days I increasingly see peer review ignoring reality without bothering to find clever rationales for
    doing so.) The Dark Enlightenment is dark because, as Christians would say, mankind is fallen, and as the Dark Enlightenment says the same thing in game theoretic language, attaining cooperate cooperate equilibrium on a large
    scale is difficult.

    Science is inherently a priestly profession. And if the official religion is unduly focused on the next world, it is apt to be stupid. And we see a lot stupid variants of Christianity. What made late seventeenth century, early eighteenth century Anglicanism such a great religion is it managed to
    endorse the scientific method as explained in the Sceptical Chymist. If
    nature is the direct manifestation of the will of a God that cannot change
    and cannot lie, then someone who directly has observed nature with his own hands and own eyes has special authority, and peer review and priestly consensus does not. Recall that the Puritans rioted and attempted to shut
    down the Royal Society, because the King was granting the scientific method status that they felt properly belonged to priests and prophets.

    Well it does properly belong to priests and prophets. Prophets like Elon
    Musk and Richard Stallman, and priest prophets like Linus Torvalds. It
    belongs to the technomages. And the official state religion just has to make its peace with such people, as Charles the Second's Anglicanism managed to
    do. Newton was rightly ordained and rightly buried in Westminster Abbey,
    even though his intellectual curiosity led to him dabbling in no end of heresies. The state and the state religion just has to do its best to
    include such difficult people in the state religion, because it has to
    include them in the state and quasi state elite, or else the state will wind
    up with a stupid state religion and a hostile elite outside the state and
    state religion.

    A lot of versions of Christianity are infamously somewhat stupid: Young
    Earth creationism is faithful to an overliteral interpretation of scripture
    and is stupid. I have good authority for arguing that it is overliteral,
    since Saint Augustine argued it was overliteral, neglecting the spiritual meaning for an interpretation as history and geography, long before anyone
    knew it was stupid. Mariolatory is stupid and a gross violation of scripture and Christian morality.

    Right now we have problem with perverts in the schools, in child protective services, in the scouts, in every quasi state institution that can give a pervert access to other people's children, with the schools and similar services sexually mutilating other people's children. And Christians are
    very quiet about this. By and large, it is the stupidest versions of Christianity that are quietest. Russian Orthodoxy is not quiet, but the
    credit for that belongs to Putin's nukes, not to its doctrines. It is a lot safer to criticise Western state immorality and heresy when located in
    Russia.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Blog Reposts on Fri Jun 7 10:51:07 2024
    Blog Reposts wrote:

    https://blog.reaction.la/faith/intelligence-and-religiosity/

    Intelligence and religiosity
    June 5th, 2024

    According to statistics that are likely out of date and
    obsolete there is a negative 0.2 correlation between
    religiosity and intelligence. A 0.2 correlation is substantial.

    Of course, this relies on the definition of woke and
    progressivism as not religions. There is apt to be a positive
    correlation between adherence to the state religion, and
    intelligence, because you have to adhere, or at least pass as
    adhering, to the state religion, in order to be a member of
    the state or quasi state elite. And smart people are apt to do
    whatever it takes to get into the elite.

    Intelligence and religiosity?

    From what I see, the more religious a person is the more stupid
    they are... after all, what intelligent person believes
    something exists when they can't actually see it, touch it,
    breath it, smell it or hear it?

    They are called our five senses for a reason... and nonsense
    isn't one of them!

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 7 11:20:44 2024
    On Fri, 7 Jun 2024 10:51:07 +0100, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news>
    wrote:

    Intelligence and religiosity?

    What is intelligence?

    intelligence- the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills

    Generally, it means a person who operates within a paradigm, who is
    not able to think outside of the "box" Good memorization skills in essence....aka good monkey see, monkey do skills.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Sat Jun 8 13:36:11 2024
    On Fri, 7 Jun 2024, Blueshirt wrote:

    Blog Reposts wrote:

    https://blog.reaction.la/faith/intelligence-and-religiosity/

    Intelligence and religiosity
    June 5th, 2024

    According to statistics that are likely out of date and
    obsolete there is a negative 0.2 correlation between
    religiosity and intelligence. A 0.2 correlation is substantial.

    Of course, this relies on the definition of woke and
    progressivism as not religions. There is apt to be a positive
    correlation between adherence to the state religion, and
    intelligence, because you have to adhere, or at least pass as
    adhering, to the state religion, in order to be a member of
    the state or quasi state elite. And smart people are apt to do
    whatever it takes to get into the elite.

    Intelligence and religiosity?

    From what I see, the more religious a person is the more stupid
    they are... after all, what intelligent person believes
    something exists when they can't actually see it, touch it,
    breath it, smell it or hear it?

    They are called our five senses for a reason... and nonsense
    isn't one of them!


    This is the truth!

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