• Montana's Suicide Rate Is Highest in the U.S

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 11 12:41:15 2024
    Montana's Suicide Rate Is Highest in the U.S., With Most Involving
    Guns

    Montana's suicide rate has been the highest in the U.S. for the past
    three years. Most of the deaths involved firearms. But suicide rarely
    registers in the national debate over guns.

    In Montana, a state of 1.1 million people, 955 people died by suicide
    from January 2021 through November 2023

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/10/us/montana-suicide-guns.html

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Jun 11 22:20:16 2024
    On Tue, 11 Jun 2024, JAB wrote:

    Montana's Suicide Rate Is Highest in the U.S., With Most Involving
    Guns

    Montana's suicide rate has been the highest in the U.S. for the past
    three years. Most of the deaths involved firearms. But suicide rarely registers in the national debate over guns.

    In Montana, a state of 1.1 million people, 955 people died by suicide
    from January 2021 through November 2023

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/10/us/montana-suicide-guns.html



    Why are they so unhappy? Can we help them somehow?

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Tue Jun 11 18:07:29 2024
    On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 22:20:16 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Why are they so unhappy?

    Altitude - Metabolic stress caused by long-term oxygen deprivation can
    disrupt mental health. Worldwide, above 2,500 feet, there is an
    increase in suicides. The average suicide in Montana occurs at 3,500
    feet.

    Socioeconomic - 1/5 of Montana kids live more than 100% below the
    federal poverty level.

    https://www.sufferoutloud.org/suffer-out-loud-blog/why-does-montana-have-such-a-high-suicide-rate

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  • From Mike Spencer@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Jun 12 02:30:11 2024
    JAB <here@is.invalid> writes:

    Socioeconomic - 1/5 of Montana kids live more than 100% below the
    federal poverty level.

    I understand that's a direct quote but what does it mean? Makes no
    sense to me.

    https://www.sufferoutloud.org/suffer-out-loud-blog/why-does-montana-have-such-a-high-suicide-rate


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    Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Jun 12 10:21:40 2024
    On Tue, 11 Jun 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 22:20:16 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Why are they so unhappy?

    Altitude - Metabolic stress caused by long-term oxygen deprivation can disrupt mental health. Worldwide, above 2,500 feet, there is an
    increase in suicides. The average suicide in Montana occurs at 3,500
    feet.

    Socioeconomic - 1/5 of Montana kids live more than 100% below the
    federal poverty level.

    https://www.sufferoutloud.org/suffer-out-loud-blog/why-does-montana-have-such-a-high-suicide-rate



    Isn't there some government regulation that makes it illegal to live above
    a certain altitutde? Let's see if Trump will make this a question in the upcoming election! ;)

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere on Wed Jun 12 06:11:42 2024
    On 12 Jun 2024 02:30:11 -0300, Mike Spencer
    <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

    Socioeconomic - 1/5 of Montana kids live more than 100% below the
    federal poverty level.

    The relationship between income and mental health is not just found at
    the very bottom of the income distribution or for those living below
    the federal poverty line. There is a clear income gradient to health
    such that every step above the poverty line is associated with an
    incremental improvement in health (Lynch et al., 2004; Ecob and Davey
    Smith, 1999).

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4269256/

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere on Wed Jun 12 06:02:35 2024
    On 12 Jun 2024 02:30:11 -0300, Mike Spencer
    <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

    Socioeconomic - 1/5 of Montana kids live more than 100% below the
    federal poverty level.

    I understand that's a direct quote but what does it mean? Makes no
    sense to me.

    "The Montana Department of Health and Human Services released a report
    on the facts and figures of suicide in Montana. They listed the
    following reasons in their report: "
    ==========================

    PDF: 10 pages


    Updated: March, 2022

    Suicide in Montana Facts, Figures, and Formulas for Prevention
    ...
    ...
    Social factors associated with suicide

    Suicidal behavior is associated with a wide variety of social factors,
    but correlates most highly with:

    Social Isolation (isolation from peers or social relationships that
    are troubled)

    Social Disorganization (society lacks the regulatory constraints
    necessary to control the behavior of its members.)

    Downward Social Mobility (socioeconomic)

    Rural Residency

    Approximately 90% of those who die by suicide have a diagnosable
    mental illness.

    The most frequent diagnosis is Major Depression

    The 2nd most frequent diagnosis is Alcoholism

    https://dphhs.mt.gov/assets/suicideprevention/SuicideinMontana.pdf

    diagnosable mental illness.

    Question here is what 'yardstick' is used to claim this topic.

    Alcoholism and Major Depression happens in many other states, and
    worldwide.

    For instance, "Russian levels of alcohol consumption and suicide are
    among the highest in the world."
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/3844421

    But, are they poor? It might be so...

    "More recently, Kessler et al. (2003) report a higher 12-month
    incidence of major depressive disorder among those living in or near
    poverty. Adults with serious psychological distress were more likely
    to have less than a high school degree (34%) than those without
    serious psychological distress (17%)" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4269256/

    Without digging on this topic, I'd say being poor is strongly related.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere on Wed Jun 12 07:51:40 2024
    On 12 Jun 2024 02:30:11 -0300, Mike Spencer
    <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

    Socioeconomic - 1/5 of Montana kids live more than 100% below the
    federal poverty level.

    I understand that's a direct quote but what does it mean? Makes no
    sense to me.

    I believe State of Montana was not addressing the major issue...being
    poor.

    There is a relationship between being poor and mental health.

    Depression: IMHO

    1. Brain chemical/"wiring" SNAFU
    2. Being poor (a mental perception issue)

    Alcoholism...I don't know if depression and alcoholism are related,
    but I suspect so in Russia. I'd have to dig on this topic.

    Interesting to know if rich alcoholics suffer less than poor ones.

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