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  • Why is natural gas still flowing from Russia to Europe across Ukraine?

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 17 20:51:14 2024
    Why is natural gas still flowing from Russia to Europe across Ukraine?

    It's one of the more improbable aspects of Russia's invasion of
    Ukraine: Even after 2 1/2 years of war and repeated rounds of
    sanctions, Russian natural gas keeps flowing through Ukraine's
    pipeline network to customers in Europe.
    ...
    ...
    Before the war, Russia supplied some 40% of Europe's natural gas
    through pipelines.
    ...
    Europe viewed the Russian cutoff as energy blackmail and has outlined
    plans to completely eliminate Russian gas imports by 2027
    ...
    The European Union has come up with a plan to end imports of Russian
    fossil fuels entirely by 2027. But progress has been uneven lately.
    ...
    ...
    Meanwhile EU members Romania and Hungary have made gas deals with
    Turkey, which imports gas from Russia. Armida van Rijd, senior
    research fellow at the Royal Institute of International Affairs in
    London, says that "Russian gas is being laundered through Azerbaijan
    and Turkey to meet continued high European demands."

    She wrote that European efforts to reduce use of Russian gas are
    "impressive" so far. But she added that "the political reality is that
    it is extremely difficult for European countries to fully diversify
    their energy supplies, when many are already struggling with high
    inflation and a cost-of-living crisis."

    https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-natural-gas-f9f00df7195d01404f8cb2a43152a8b1

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Aug 18 11:20:50 2024
    On Sat, 17 Aug 2024, JAB wrote:

    Why is natural gas still flowing from Russia to Europe across Ukraine?

    It's one of the more improbable aspects of Russia's invasion of
    Ukraine: Even after 2 1/2 years of war and repeated rounds of
    sanctions, Russian natural gas keeps flowing through Ukraine's
    pipeline network to customers in Europe.
    ...
    ...
    Before the war, Russia supplied some 40% of Europe's natural gas
    through pipelines.
    ...
    Europe viewed the Russian cutoff as energy blackmail and has outlined
    plans to completely eliminate Russian gas imports by 2027
    ...
    The European Union has come up with a plan to end imports of Russian
    fossil fuels entirely by 2027. But progress has been uneven lately.
    ...
    ...
    Meanwhile EU members Romania and Hungary have made gas deals with
    Turkey, which imports gas from Russia. Armida van Rijd, senior
    research fellow at the Royal Institute of International Affairs in
    London, says that "Russian gas is being laundered through Azerbaijan
    and Turkey to meet continued high European demands."

    She wrote that European efforts to reduce use of Russian gas are
    "impressive" so far. But she added that "the political reality is that
    it is extremely difficult for European countries to fully diversify
    their energy supplies, when many are already struggling with high
    inflation and a cost-of-living crisis."

    https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-natural-gas-f9f00df7195d01404f8cb2a43152a8b1


    Can add to that that gas is still passing through swedish harbours. Also,
    I've heard that many people are earning a lot of money in the *-stan
    countries helping russian business men escape sanctions.

    My opinion is that european efforts are naive and feeble and that they are greatly benefiting india and china.

    Europe needs to move to a white list system, where the default is
    blacklisting, unless you can prove that you are not doing business with
    russia directly or indirectly.

    In addition to that, europe needs to move to a free market system so that
    the market can help with energy independence and lower cost of living and inflation.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sun Aug 18 06:01:35 2024
    On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 11:20:50 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    In addition to that, europe needs to move to a free market system so that
    the market can help with energy independence and lower cost of living and >inflation.

    I would assume most of the oil/gas/coal reserves are limited.

    I use nuclear power for electricity...but it seems Europe wants to
    consume carbon based energy.

    Ammonia and H2 will most likely be used in the future

    https://engineering.princeton.edu/news/2023/11/07/ammonia-fuel-offers-great-benefits-demands-careful-action

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Aug 19 00:04:43 2024
    On Sun, 18 Aug 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 11:20:50 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    In addition to that, europe needs to move to a free market system so that
    the market can help with energy independence and lower cost of living and
    inflation.

    I would assume most of the oil/gas/coal reserves are limited.

    They will last long enough for us to develop real alternatives if needed.
    Peak oilers have been howling for I think 100 years or so.

    I use nuclear power for electricity...but it seems Europe wants to
    consume carbon based energy.

    Actually europe came to the conclusion after several decades of fighting nuclear that it is in fact "green energy". So several countries are now starting to look at building new nuclear and sweden is one of them. I
    expect this to happen in 15-20 years or so.

    Ammonia and H2 will most likely be used in the future

    https://engineering.princeton.edu/news/2023/11/07/ammonia-fuel-offers-great-benefits-demands-careful-action


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