What's next....VPN service providers?
Vindman says Musk should be 'nervous' after Telegram CEO was arrested:
'Free speech absolutists weirdos'
Telegram CEO Pavel Durov is being accused of not taking sufficient
action to limit criminal activity on the messaging app
Retired Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, who made waves as a key witness in
the impeachment trial against former President Donald Trump, issued a
warning to Elon Musk on Sunday after Telegram messaging app CEO Pavel
Durov was arrested in France.
Durov was served with an arrest warrant in Paris on Saturday night
following a preliminary police investigation surrounding his alleged
failure to sufficiently limit criminal activity on Telegram, according
to TF1 TV and BFM TV.
While experts and industry leaders sounded the alarm about the
international free speech implications of his arrest, Vindman
championed the move, taking to X to warn its CEO about the "growing
appetite for accountability" before suggesting that Musk could be
next.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/vindman-says-musk-should-nervous-after-telegram-ceo-arrested-growing-appetite-accountibility
What's next....VPN service providers?
When I was young, I could say I'm in favour of free speech, and no one
would even care or react, since it was so obvious.
I find it fascinating how, in such a short time, pro-free speech has
become an extremist position.
When I was young, I could say I'm in favour of free speech, and no one
would even care or react, since it was so obvious.
Today, if I say that I am in favour of free speech, people frown,
complain, call me ridiculous and ask, but what about the terrorists, sex abuser, climate deniers and racists? With free speech, all those groups
will not get punished. You're an extremist!
And this change in about 10 years or so. Absolutely fascinating!
And this change has actually pushed me into becoming a free speech
extremist. Before I was moderate, and the more people frown, the more I
find myself advocating absolute free speech.
When I was young, I could say I'm in favour of free speech,
On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 09:38:47 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
When I was young, I could say I'm in favour of free speech,
Well, should the students have cellphones, and disrupt the
class....free speech, right?
School cell phone bans are becoming common https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2024/06/09/cell-phone-school-laws/73975232007/
On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 09:38:47 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
When I was young, I could say I'm in favour of free speech, and no one
would even care or react, since it was so obvious.
Before Internet, your opinion was mainly within your circle. Speech
laws have existed, but rarely enforced since law enforcement did not
have access to free speech comments in your circle.
With Internet, your opinion is available to others outside of your
circle. Companies have fired employees who badmouth a company, and
law enforcement has attempted to round up those who violate the law.
In misc.news.internet.discuss, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
I find it fascinating how, in such a short time, pro-free speech has
become an extremist position.
When I was young, I could say I'm in favour of free speech, and no one
would even care or react, since it was so obvious.
Today, if I say that I am in favour of free speech, people frown,
complain, call me ridiculous and ask, but what about the terrorists, sex
abuser, climate deniers and racists? With free speech, all those groups
will not get punished. You're an extremist!
And this change in about 10 years or so. Absolutely fascinating!
And this change has actually pushed me into becoming a free speech
extremist. Before I was moderate, and the more people frown, the more I
find myself advocating absolute free speech.
I'd say the two significant things that have contributed to people
frowning on free speech abosolutism are:
1) Wanting to have free reign of free speech *on a particular privately
owned but publically used platform* (eg Facebook, Twitter, Telegram).
In these cases the owner of the platform needs to have a say.
2) Wanting to have free reign of free speech for things that are not
not true, eg so many of the things Trump says.
The explosion of speech on privately owned internet properties in the
last twenty years has made point one more significant. These places may
feel like a town square, but they are closer to mall food court.
The explosion of Big Lie politics from various world leaders (Trump and
Putin come to mind) have made point two more significant in the last
ten years.
Actually
Just for refreshing everyones mind, let's have a look at what it means.
Free speech means the right to express an opinion in public without being >restrained or censored.
My home, a school, or an office, is not "the public".
for forever and a day the lies of religions have been free speech issues
In misc.news.internet.discuss, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
I find it fascinating how, in such a short time, pro-free speech has
become an extremist position.
When I was young, I could say I'm in favour of free speech, and no one
would even care or react, since it was so obvious.
Today, if I say that I am in favour of free speech, people frown,
complain, call me ridiculous and ask, but what about the terrorists, sex
abuser, climate deniers and racists? With free speech, all those groups
will not get punished. You're an extremist!
And this change in about 10 years or so. Absolutely fascinating!
And this change has actually pushed me into becoming a free speech
extremist. Before I was moderate, and the more people frown, the more I
find myself advocating absolute free speech.
I'd say the two significant things that have contributed to people
frowning on free speech abosolutism are:
1) Wanting to have free reign of free speech *on a particular privately
owned but publically used platform* (eg Facebook, Twitter, Telegram).
In these cases the owner of the platform needs to have a say.
On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 18:05:15 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
for forever and a day the lies of religions have been free speech issues
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"
Bernard of Clairvaux (1091--1153)
Footnote - I believe there is an empirical reason why God based
religions exist, but the essence is greatly exaggerated.
Eli the Bearded wrote:
In misc.news.internet.discuss, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
I find it fascinating how, in such a short time, pro-free speech has
become an extremist position.
When I was young, I could say I'm in favour of free speech, and no one
would even care or react, since it was so obvious.
Today, if I say that I am in favour of free speech, people frown,
complain, call me ridiculous and ask, but what about the terrorists, sex >>> abuser, climate deniers and racists? With free speech, all those groups
will not get punished. You're an extremist!
And this change in about 10 years or so. Absolutely fascinating!
And this change has actually pushed me into becoming a free speech
extremist. Before I was moderate, and the more people frown, the more I
find myself advocating absolute free speech.
I'd say the two significant things that have contributed to people
frowning on free speech abosolutism are:
1) Wanting to have free reign of free speech *on a particular privately
owned but publically used platform* (eg Facebook, Twitter, Telegram).
In these cases the owner of the platform needs to have a say.
They misrepresent themselves as "the town square", they have market power
and they act in concert with others, which is illegal.
On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 22:59:53 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Actually
survey finds
Views on freedom of speech vary by political affiliation
While nine in ten Americans see freedom of speech as extremely or very important, they differ on what constitutes a legitimate expression of
First Amendment rights, a report from the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation finds.
Based on a Knight-Ipsos survey of 4,366 U.S. adults, including a
thousand college students, the report, Free Expression in America
Post-2020 (41 pages, PDF), found that 91 percent of respondents said
that freedom of speech was "extremely important" (63 percent) or "very important" (28 percent) to them. While 91 percent of Republicans, 88
percent of Democrats, and 84 percent of Independents said that
citizens' free speech rights were extremely or very important to U.S. democracy, Democrats were more likely than Independents and
Republicans to say that it was extremely or very important to prevent
people from inciting others to violence (86 percent vs. 71 percent and
68 percent), to prevent the spread of misinformation (89 percent vs.
73 percent and 63 percent), and to create an inclusive society that is welcoming to diverse groups (85 percent vs. 73 percent and 63
percent).
According to the report, respondents were divided over what
constitutes a legitimate expression of First Amendment rights, with Republicans more likely to say that "taking part in protests against certifying the 2020 election results" (73 percent) and "entering the
U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, to disrupt the election certification"
(33 percent) were legitimate than Independents (60 percent and 23
percent) and Democrats (39 percent and 12 percent). Republicans also
were more likely than Independents and Democrats to say that
"spreading misinformation about the 2020 election results online" (57
percent vs. 30 percent and 20 percent) and "spreading misinformation
online about the COVID-19 vaccine" (44 percent vs. 29 percent and 20
percent) were legitimate expressions of free speech. Democrats were
more likely than Independents and Republicans to say that "taking part
in the protests around racial injustice during the summer" of 2020 (85 percent vs. 75 percent and 56 percent) and "kneeling or turning away
during the national anthem? (73 percent vs. 59 percent and 35 percent)
were legitimate expressions of First Amendment rights.
The survey also found that 45 percent of all respondents believed that
the right to free speech was "secure," with Democrats more likely to
say so than Independents and Republicans (61 percent vs. 43 percent
and 28 percent). Republicans were more likely than Independents and
Democrats to say that "diversity and inclusion frequently/occasionally conflicts with free speech rights (75 percent vs. 68 percent and 64
percent). And Black respondents (61 percent) were least likely to feel
that "people like [them]" were protected by the First Amendment,
followed by Hispanic/Latinx (81 percent), Asian American/Pacific
Islander (85 percent), and white (89 percent) respondents.
https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/news/views-on-freedom-of-speech-vary-by-political-affiliation-survey-finds
Or do you mean to say that the same psychological
"transcendent" experience is the inspiration for all the religions?
same
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 09:42:42 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Or do you mean to say that the same psychological
"transcendent" experience is the inspiration for all the religions?
same
Similar, but not the same....what is experienced can be expressed differently, depending upon a person's intellect.
Tidbits -
The lotus is an important symbol in dharmic religions like Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism. https://www.bbg.org/article/plant_profile_sacred_lotus_nelumbo_nucifera
Toxicity From Blue Lotus (Nymphaea caerulea) After Ingestion or
Inhalation: A Case Series
Plant extracts and other novel psychoactives can be ingested, vaped, injected, or insufflated. This includes products such as extracts from
the blue lotus flower (Nypmhaea caerulea), which is known to produce
euphoria and hallucinations at high doses. https://academic.oup.com/milmed/advance-article/doi/10.1093/milmed/usab328/6338457
You are close to my own opinion,
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 23:13:00 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
You are close to my own opinion,
Out-of-body experiences do happen, and if a person meditates, they
might be conscious within a "transcendent" experience, which is the
well spring of God centric thinking. A transcendent experience is not
the same as a dream. When seeing others there, one can discern if
they are good/bad via their colors (their karma "credit rating":-)).
Karma concept is based in Hinduism and Buddhism, and is about
behavior, "the relationship between a person's mental or physical
action and the consequences following that action." One does not have
to be religious to have good/bad karma.
Across Earth, different cultures have had people with "transcendent" experiences, and they attempt to explain it within their ideations.
Scientific thinkers can't deal with this topic, since it can not be sliced/diced in their laboratories.
When looking at older historical paintings relating to Indian Gods and Goddesses, some of them with vibrant colors are depicting what has
been seen when having a "transcendent" experience. On another note,
if a person sees someone with a golden halo around their head with
small stars emitted, that person has excellent Karma. Hence, the
behavior association is based upon seeing others' body colors, and
knowing who they are. I might add colors seen can be quite vivid.
Can I repost your original post
In terms of slicing and dicing, I guess the closest science can come
pin point the area of the brain that lights up, and perhaps, artificially >stimulate the same areas, in the hope of inducing such an experience.
once someone died while in a brain scanner
brain governing long term memory formation
and I believe the external real world is all there is.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 23:13:00 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
You are close to my own opinion,
Out-of-body experiences do happen, and if a person meditates, they
might be conscious within a "transcendent" experience, which is the
well spring of God centric thinking. A transcendent experience is not
the same as a dream. When seeing others there, one can discern if
they are good/bad via their colors (their karma "credit rating":-)).
Karma concept is based in Hinduism and Buddhism, and is about
behavior, "the relationship between a person's mental or physical
action and the consequences following that action." One does not have
to be religious to have good/bad karma.
Across Earth, different cultures have had people with "transcendent" experiences, and they attempt to explain it within their ideations.
Scientific thinkers can't deal with this topic, since it can not be sliced/diced in their laboratories.
When looking at older historical paintings relating to Indian Gods and Goddesses, some of them with vibrant colors are depicting what has
been seen when having a "transcendent" experience. On another note,
if a person sees someone with a golden halo around their head with
small stars emitted, that person has excellent Karma. Hence, the
behavior association is based upon seeing others' body colors, and
knowing who they are. I might add colors seen can be quite vivid.
Out-of-body experiences do happen,
But psychoactive drugs help
...starving the brain of oxygen
Sorry, I mustn't upset people; I'm sure lots of good things have
happened, but blaming god isn't scientific.
And this change has actually pushed me into becoming a free speech
extremist.
failing to cooperate with French police
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 19:12:56 -0500
JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 23:13:00 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
You are close to my own opinion,
Out-of-body experiences do happen, and if a person meditates, they
might be conscious within a "transcendent" experience, which is the
well spring of God centric thinking. A transcendent experience is not
the same as a dream. When seeing others there, one can discern if
they are good/bad via their colors (their karma "credit rating":-)).
But psychoactive drugs help - or just starving the brain of oxygen.
Karma concept is based in Hinduism and Buddhism, and is about
behavior, "the relationship between a person's mental or physical
action and the consequences following that action." One does not have
to be religious to have good/bad karma.
Across Earth, different cultures have had people with "transcendent"
experiences, and they attempt to explain it within their ideations.
Scientific thinkers can't deal with this topic, since it can not be
sliced/diced in their laboratories.
When looking at older historical paintings relating to Indian Gods and
Goddesses, some of them with vibrant colors are depicting what has
been seen when having a "transcendent" experience. On another note,
if a person sees someone with a golden halo around their head with
small stars emitted, that person has excellent Karma. Hence, the
behavior association is based upon seeing others' body colors, and
knowing who they are. I might add colors seen can be quite vivid.
Sorry, I mustn't upset people; I'm sure lots of good things have
happened, but blaming god isn't scientific.
On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 16:31:44 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Can I repost your original post
Yes
In terms of slicing and dicing, I guess the closest science can come
In 1960s, Elmer Green, using hand-made biofeedback equipment
(portable), found a yogi that could control automatist functions
(heart rate, blood flow to peripheral parts, etc) via meditating to a
lower brain state (gamma, beta, alpha, theta, delta) https://www.elmergreenfoundation.org/ https://theconversation.com/alpha-beta-theta-what-are-brain-states-and-brain-waves-and-can-we-control-them-219236
pin point the area of the brain that lights up, and perhaps, artificially
stimulate the same areas, in the hope of inducing such an experience.
If having a "life's review," this vivid visualization is happening on
a faster time scale. Like humans 'operate' (process) at microsecond
level, and there at the femtosecond level, and as such, total recall
of seen events is not possible. I would speculate a person would have
to be in a theta/delta state to experience a life review.
once someone died while in a brain scanner
brain governing long term memory formation
Would have to have a better O2 supply in that area. When the heart
quits pumping, I would assume blow flow stops also.
and I believe the external real world is all there is.
Eastern religions have reincarnation beliefs, but for some
Native-Americans, they have their reincarnation beliefs. Two
different cultures on different parts of the Earth with a similar
belief. Maybe there's beef there, or just a fairy tale.
Native American Near-Death Experiences, Shamanism, and Religious Revitalization Movements
...
...
In some tribes with reincarnation beliefs, it was believed that souls
had to wait for a new life to be assigned to them. More often, they
were given the choice of whether or not to reincarnate and, if they so
chose, to which society and even which parents (Hultkrantz, 1953, pp.
421, 477; see also Mills & Slobodin, 1994)
https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc1125196/m2/1/high_res_d/34-3_3._Shushan.pdf
On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 19:29:06 +0100, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
<admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
Out-of-body experiences do happen,
But psychoactive drugs help
Does science have any proof that hallucinations exist? It's all
subjective?
...starving the brain of oxygen
In a near death experience, a potential explanation, but when
meditating, I'm not aware of O2 levels being measured (I have not been
down this rabbit hole).
Quick Google Search
"The relationship between meditation and the body's level of oxygen consumption is very important for achieving many, many great benefits. According to researchers, during meditation, oxygen consumption
decreases by 10 to 20%, leading to a deep state of relaxation, even
more effective than a night of sleep.
After years of research, scientists have provided us with a better understanding of how meditation can decrease levels of oxygen
consumption. During meditation, there are many changes that occur in
your body. After a few minutes of focused meditation and deep
breathing, you will enter a state of profound relaxation, slowing your
heart beat, breath, and muscle contractions.
The result of deep relaxation, slower breathing, and a lower heart
rate is less oxygen needed in each breath, and fewer breaths needed in
total. In other words, your cells demand less oxygen. Generally, it
takes about six hours of deep sleep to reach this same level of
relaxation and oxygen consumption. In meditation, you can achieve this
result within minutes. "
https://eocinstitute.org/meditation/meditation-lowers-your-oxygen-consumption/
Sorry, I mustn't upset people; I'm sure lots of good things have
happened, but blaming god isn't scientific.
Disregard the "god" with acts of discipline on Earth; the "nobile"
thinkers most likely injected/used that script/rhetoric for attempting
to control the suckers/loser (et.al; uneducated). I rather doubt
biblical books were written by the uneducated
On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 09:38:47 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
And this change has actually pushed me into becoming a free speech
extremist.
Well now, then you approve of this video?
https://x.com/ClownWorld_/status/1828834736527265932
But psychoactive drugs help
Does science have any proof that hallucinations exist? It's all
subjective?
Yes! Science does have proof that areas in the brain light up, when people >have hallucinations. And when the same areas light up in other people,
they too, describe having hallucinations.
However... does science have proof or an idea about what _your_ >hallucinations are like?
No... that's the problem of qualia
truth. It does not exist
But psychoactive drugs help - or just starving the brain of oxygen.
An interesting question with psychoactive drugs is... are they leading to >something of substance, or, are people getting "hooked" on god, coming
back for more and more and more?
Could it be argued
That is true, and fairly trivial and well understood. ....
it is fairly easy to increaes blood flow to certain
parts of the body with relaxation and visualization exercises.
So I am perfectly happy to remain agnostic. I do not, however,
dogmatically rule out any possibility of something being "beyond".
Are you a scientist?
No... that's the problem of qualia
That is true, and fairly trivial and well understood. ....
it is fairly easy to increaes blood flow to certain
parts of the body with relaxation and visualization exercises.
On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 23:22:10 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
No... that's the problem of qualia
Increased/decreased temps can be measured, but no neural explantion:-)
That is true, and fairly trivial and well understood. ....
it is fairly easy to increaes blood flow to certain
parts of the body with relaxation and visualization exercises.
RE: Qualia - subjective, conscious experience
But, empirical observations (temp readings) confirm the "subjective, conscious experience"......hmm!
Have you gained enlightenment? Or a better understanding of the topic?
But, empirical observations (temp readings) confirm the "subjective,
conscious experience"......hmm!
I think it is trivial to draw the conclusion that readings confirm >experiences. When we stimulate the brain, it generates experiences. So for >me, that's a proven.
What is interesting though, is that people tend to get transcendent >experiences based on the cultural tradition they grew up in, so I think >that's something that makes them more materialistic.
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 546 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 51:41:25 |
| Calls: | 10,397 |
| Calls today: | 5 |
| Files: | 14,067 |
| Messages: | 6,417,343 |
| Posted today: | 1 |