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  • Ukraine's firing of ATACMS

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 22 11:26:33 2024
    I'm amazed at how Putin/Russia suggests implicitly this is unfair; on
    another note, Russia is getting arms from other countries, but this is
    "fair" in Russia's mind.



    Moscow has said it regards Ukraine's firing of ATACMS and Storm Shadow
    missiles into Russia as proof of direct U.S. and British involvement
    in the war. It says satellite targeting data and the actual
    programming of the missiles' flight paths must be done by NATO
    military personnel because Kyiv does not have the capabilities itself.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-says-hypersonic-missile-strike-ukraine-was-warning-west-2024-11-22/

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Nov 22 19:59:51 2024
    On Fri, 22 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

    I'm amazed at how Putin/Russia suggests implicitly this is unfair; on
    another note, Russia is getting arms from other countries, but this is
    "fair" in Russia's mind.



    Moscow has said it regards Ukraine's firing of ATACMS and Storm Shadow missiles into Russia as proof of direct U.S. and British involvement
    in the war. It says satellite targeting data and the actual
    programming of the missiles' flight paths must be done by NATO
    military personnel because Kyiv does not have the capabilities itself.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-says-hypersonic-missile-strike-ukraine-was-warning-west-2024-11-22/


    Excellent! We are eagerly waiting for Putins attack on US equipment and personnel. Please Putin, any time, any day, and then your kingdom is
    toast.

    Remember, the Wagner guys with a tiny amount of military, got all the way
    to Moscow, so once you lift the lid over russia, there's usually nothing
    there.

    They act tough, but have nothing to back it up with.

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Nov 22 20:07:28 2024
    On 2024-11-22, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:
    I'm amazed at how Putin/Russia suggests implicitly this is unfair; on
    another note, Russia is getting arms from other countries, but this is
    "fair" in Russia's mind.

    Moscow has said it regards Ukraine's firing of ATACMS and Storm Shadow missiles into Russia as proof of direct U.S. and British involvement
    in the war. It says satellite targeting data and the actual
    programming of the missiles' flight paths must be done by NATO
    military personnel because Kyiv does not have the capabilities itself.

    Well then Vlad Putin - if you're feeling feisty, go ahead and take the
    first shot at a NATO country, and let's take off the gloves, shall we?

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Fri Nov 22 20:56:05 2024
    On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 20:07:28 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Well then Vlad Putin

    His rhetoric is puzzling...he seems to think Russia has the right to
    take other lands, and outsiders are interfering with his rights.

    I don't know what they hear in Russia, but his reasoning is flawed.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Sat Nov 23 11:00:21 2024
    On Fri, 22 Nov 2024, Retrograde wrote:

    On 2024-11-22, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:
    I'm amazed at how Putin/Russia suggests implicitly this is unfair; on
    another note, Russia is getting arms from other countries, but this is
    "fair" in Russia's mind.

    Moscow has said it regards Ukraine's firing of ATACMS and Storm Shadow
    missiles into Russia as proof of direct U.S. and British involvement
    in the war. It says satellite targeting data and the actual
    programming of the missiles' flight paths must be done by NATO
    military personnel because Kyiv does not have the capabilities itself.

    Well then Vlad Putin - if you're feeling feisty, go ahead and take the
    first shot at a NATO country, and let's take off the gloves, shall we?


    This is the truth! Putins aggression really shows how afraid he is. You
    can see it in nature, small animals puffing themselves up when under
    threat.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Nov 23 11:05:57 2024
    On Fri, 22 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 20:07:28 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Well then Vlad Putin

    His rhetoric is puzzling...he seems to think Russia has the right to
    take other lands, and outsiders are interfering with his rights.

    I don't know what they hear in Russia, but his reasoning is flawed.

    This is easy to explain. As far as he is concerned, he is retaking what
    was stolen from them. He believes russia consists of the soviet borders,
    and has sworn to restore those borders, so ukraine is just a part of that
    plan.

    If the US and europe let him have ukraine, it will have been proven that
    might makes right, and he will continue the war in 5-10 years when he has recharged the batteries.

    So a diplomatic end now, will yield a 5x greater war in 5-10 years. I say, let's finish it now, once and for all, and depose Putin and have him
    humiliated at ICJ.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sat Nov 23 12:42:32 2024
    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:05:57 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    This is easy to explain. As far as he is concerned, he is retaking what
    was stolen from them.

    In 1667, Alexis of Russia made a grab for Ukraine, and in 1783,
    Catherine the Great latched on to Crimean.

    The territorial evolution of Russia has expanded since those times.

    Nothing more than a land grab, for natural resources, etc. His
    "conservative" thinkers are pushing this agenda. But, I see no legit
    claim these land grabs give him the absolute right to take.

    I sincerely hope Biden "educated" Trump....

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Nov 23 21:42:32 2024
    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:05:57 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    This is easy to explain. As far as he is concerned, he is retaking what
    was stolen from them.

    In 1667, Alexis of Russia made a grab for Ukraine, and in 1783,
    Catherine the Great latched on to Crimean.

    The territorial evolution of Russia has expanded since those times.

    Nothing more than a land grab, for natural resources, etc. His "conservative" thinkers are pushing this agenda. But, I see no legit
    claim these land grabs give him the absolute right to take.

    I sincerely hope Biden "educated" Trump....

    This is the truth! There are no legitimate reasons. If any country should
    claim Ukraine, it would be sweden, since it was founded by the viking
    Rurik!

    Maybe sweden is just biding its time, and they will move in for the kill
    once ukraine and russia have exhausted themselves? ;)

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