• Unleaded 88/E15 Facts

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 24 10:54:05 2024
    US approves E15 gasoline sales expansion in Midwest starting 2025
    February 22, 2024
    ...
    In 2022, the governors of Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri,
    Nebraska, Ohio, South Dakota, and Wisconsin made the request for
    year-round E15 sales, saying the move could help lower pump prices by
    boosting fuel volumes.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-administration-approves-e15-gasoline-sales-expansion-midwest-states-2024-02-22/

    Unleaded 88/E15 Facts
    https://iowarfa.org/ethanol-center/e15/e15-facts/

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Nov 24 20:52:10 2024
    On 11/24/2024 11:54 AM, JAB wrote:
    Unleaded 88/E15 Facts
    https://iowarfa.org/ethanol-center/e15/e15-facts/

    "In 2009, the ethanol industry petitioned EPA to approve a blend up to
    15% ethanol in gasoline, from the current cap of 10%. Raising the blend
    from E10 to E15 would accelerate the use of renewable fuel, increase
    energy security, create U.S. jobs, reduce transportation costs, and
    improve the environment by displacing conventional gasoline with
    low-carbon ethanol."

    --------

    Facts? What useless garbage... Ethanol reduces the power of the
    gasoline, and is not good for engines. The amount of diesel that
    farmers waste (and that the government subsidizes them for) to farm the
    corn to make the ethanol is absolutely pathetic. Of course the ethanol *INDUSTRY* would petition for more of their corn garbage in our fuel.

    I'll have to start buying more expensive Pennsylvania or West Virginia
    gasoline if Ohio is doing the crappy "winter blend" E-15 fuel year round.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to michael.trew@att.net on Sun Nov 24 21:31:59 2024
    On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:52:10 -0500, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    Ethanol reduces the power of the
    gasoline, and is not good for engines.

    E10/E15 are minor at a mpg hit.

    Both clean up fuel tank, lines, etc. on specific deposits

    Those wanting higher horsepower (hot rodders) do use E85.

    "...ethanol, it does not actively clean your engine in the same way
    that dedicated engine cleaning additives might; however, the ethanol
    component can help to remove some oil-based grime from engine
    surfaces, contributing to a slightly cleaner engine overall compared
    to pure gasoline....The ethanol in E10 contains oxygen, leading to a
    more complete combustion and potentially less carbon buildup"

    The amount of diesel that farmers waste (and that the government
    subsidizes them for) to farm the
    corn to make the ethanol is absolutely pathetic.

    Unexplored topic on my part, but it would have to be considered in
    context with:

    1. In Europe: "The government believes that using E10 could prevent
    750,000 tonnes of CO2 emissions from being released into the
    atmosphere each year"

    2. This summer, amid rising gas prices, drivers saved an average of 15
    cents per gallons by filling up with E15 compared to regular, or E10.
    In some areas, E15 saved drivers as much as $.60 per gallon at the
    pump.
    https://growthenergy.org/2023/10/27/lower-cost-lower-carbon-e15-unl88/

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to michael.trew@att.net on Sun Nov 24 21:40:50 2024
    On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:52:10 -0500, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    Facts?

    A 2022 study found that a nationwide standard for E15 would:

    Save consumers $20.6 billion in annual fuel costs,
    Put an additional $36.3 billion in income into the pockets of
    American households,
    Support an additional 188,000 jobs, and
    Generate $66.3 billion for the U.S. GDP.


    https://growthenergy.org/2023/10/27/lower-cost-lower-carbon-e15-unl88/

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Mon Nov 25 10:51:19 2024
    On Sun, 24 Nov 2024, Michael Trew wrote:

    On 11/24/2024 11:54 AM, JAB wrote:
    Unleaded 88/E15 Facts
    https://iowarfa.org/ethanol-center/e15/e15-facts/

    "In 2009, the ethanol industry petitioned EPA to approve a blend up to 15% ethanol in gasoline, from the current cap of 10%. Raising the blend from E10 to E15 would accelerate the use of renewable fuel, increase energy security, create U.S. jobs, reduce transportation costs, and improve the environment by displacing conventional gasoline with low-carbon ethanol."

    --------

    Facts? What useless garbage... Ethanol reduces the power of the gasoline, and is not good for engines. The amount of diesel that farmers waste (and that the government subsidizes them for) to farm the corn to make the ethanol is absolutely pathetic. Of course the ethanol *INDUSTRY* would petition for more of their corn garbage in our fuel.

    I'll have to start buying more expensive Pennsylvania or West Virginia gasoline if Ohio is doing the crappy "winter blend" E-15 fuel year round.


    In sweden, by law gasoline companies had to mix this into the gasoline,
    but lo and behold... the current centrist government actually lowered this limit!

    Gasoline and diesel has dropped in price and there is much rejoicing!

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Nov 26 13:04:06 2024
    On 11/24/2024 10:40 PM, JAB wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:52:10 -0500, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    Facts?

    A 2022 study found that a nationwide standard for E15 would:

    Save consumers $20.6 billion in annual fuel costs,
    Put an additional $36.3 billion in income into the pockets of
    American households,
    Support an additional 188,000 jobs, and
    Generate $66.3 billion for the U.S. GDP.


    https://growthenergy.org/2023/10/27/lower-cost-lower-carbon-e15-unl88/

    ...And waste giant swaths of our land to farm corn, near 100 million
    acres so far. The US is the largest producer and exporter of corn, yet
    still nearly half of our corn is farmed *just* for *our* ethanol use.
    What a horrendous waste of resources. Nearly half of our fresh water is
    used for agriculture, I wonder how much water is wasted on corn fuel?
    Fresh ground water is a finite resource in many areas, and still the
    ethanol industry wants us to waste more resources to farm more corn.

    We should be building more fuel efficient vehicles instead of worrying
    about corn fuel. Why does my 1993 Geo Metro still get an honest-to-God
    47 MPG over 30 years later, but modern SUV's can't come close? Easy,
    car manufacturers make more money selling SUV's and trucks, so that's
    what is promoted... Fuel mileage, costs, and the environment be damned.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Tue Nov 26 22:02:12 2024
    On Tue, 26 Nov 2024, Michael Trew wrote:

    On 11/24/2024 10:40 PM, JAB wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:52:10 -0500, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    Facts?

    A 2022 study found that a nationwide standard for E15 would:

    Save consumers $20.6 billion in annual fuel costs,
    Put an additional $36.3 billion in income into the pockets of
    American households,
    Support an additional 188,000 jobs, and
    Generate $66.3 billion for the U.S. GDP.


    https://growthenergy.org/2023/10/27/lower-cost-lower-carbon-e15-unl88/

    ...And waste giant swaths of our land to farm corn, near 100 million acres so far. The US is the largest producer and exporter of corn, yet still nearly half of our corn is farmed *just* for *our* ethanol use. What a horrendous waste of resources. Nearly half of our fresh water is used for agriculture, I wonder how much water is wasted on corn fuel? Fresh ground water is a finite resource in many areas, and still the ethanol industry wants us to waste more resources to farm more corn.

    We should be building more fuel efficient vehicles instead of worrying about corn fuel. Why does my 1993 Geo Metro still get an honest-to-God 47 MPG over 30 years later, but modern SUV's can't come close? Easy, car manufacturers make more money selling SUV's and trucks, so that's what is promoted... Fuel mileage, costs, and the environment be damned.


    I am against using corn for fuel, as long as there are people starving in
    the world.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Tue Nov 26 15:32:03 2024
    On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 22:02:12 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I am against using corn for fuel, as long as
    there are people starving in the world.

    Republicans are opposed to supporting others nutritionally.

    Religions are part of this starving issue, and some of USs want more
    babies, but their R representatives don't like spending money on
    welfare/heath matters.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to michael.trew@att.net on Tue Nov 26 15:47:39 2024
    On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 13:04:06 -0500, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    ...And waste giant swaths of our land to farm corn, near 100 million
    acres so far. The US is the largest producer and exporter of corn, yet
    still nearly half of our corn is farmed *just* for *our* ethanol use.

    I have not been down this rabbit hole, but these factors must be
    considered:

    1. Environmental
    2. Consumer Aspects
    3. Farmer Aspects
    4. Government & Business Aspects

    GRAPHIC: A third of U.S. corn is used to produce ethanol

    2024/01/24

    In the 1990s, a larger share of the nation's corn crop went into
    sweeteners, such as high-fructose corn syrup, than into ethanol or
    alcohol. But that changed in the mid-2000s after Congress enacted the
    Renewable Fuel Standard, which included a mandate to mix gasoline with corn-based fuel.

    https://investigatemidwest.org/2024/01/24/graphic-a-third-of-u-s-corn-is-used-to-produce-ethanol/

    "Much of the rest of today's corn crop is used as animal feed."

    Which is the left over product from making ethanol. Another rabbit
    hole to go down.

    Consequences...what happens when this apple cart is upset.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Nov 27 10:14:41 2024
    On Tue, 26 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 22:02:12 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I am against using corn for fuel, as long as
    there are people starving in the world.

    Republicans are opposed to supporting others nutritionally.

    Religions are part of this starving issue, and some of USs want more
    babies, but their R representatives don't like spending money on welfare/heath matters.

    Are there religions who are in favour of starving? This is not so good.
    When it comes to welfare, this Louie CK video comes to mind. We are all
    evil.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC4FnfNKwUo .

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Wed Nov 27 07:51:23 2024
    On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 10:14:41 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Religions are part of this starving issue, and some of USs want more
    babies, but their R representatives don't like spending money on
    welfare/heath matters.

    Are there religions who are in favour of starving?

    A dichotomy here...a religion itself, no, but in practice of its
    members, yes, as based upon their actions.

    If they want more babies, then they need to cough up economic
    resources to support them, and quit complaining about welfare mothers.

    What percent of church dollars support these welfare mothers/children?

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