... Gavin Newsom said if the Trump Admin revokes the $7,500 credit for
EV vehicles, then California will offer the same credit as a
replacement for cars purchased in their state.

... Except for Tesla. Newsom said the tax credit will not apply to
purchases of Tesla because he says that the purpose of the new credit
would be about "creating the market conditions for more of these car
makers to take root," rather than existing companies who have already
benefited from government largesse. Someone understands how to play
hardball with these people. I wish more did.

https://www.meidasplus.com/p/resistance-hq-bulletin-13-112524

I believe Musk wants it revoked....

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On Mon, 25 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

... Gavin Newsom said if the Trump Admin revokes the $7,500 credit for
EV vehicles, then California will offer the same credit as a
replacement for cars purchased in their state.

... Except for Tesla. Newsom said the tax credit will not apply to
purchases of Tesla because he says that the purpose of the new credit
would be about "creating the market conditions for more of these car
makers to take root," rather than existing companies who have already benefited from government largesse. Someone understands how to play
hardball with these people. I wish more did.

https://www.meidasplus.com/p/resistance-hq-bulletin-13-112524

I believe Musk wants it revoked....

Ahh... so clearly supporting other companies is more important than
actually saving the planet. Typical of the lizard-man!

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On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 10:27:21 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

so clearly supporting other companies is more important than
actually saving the planet.

Federal government has had rules, like

Be made by a qualified manufacturer
Undergo final assembly in North America https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/credits-for-new-clean-vehicles-purchased-in-2023-or-after

Tesla has profited for years when other companies were not engaged. ===================

so clearly supporting other companies

If below is true, it shows Musk wants a toe hold on the market, by
fucking those other companies. He has enjoyed this tax credit for
years.


Ending the tax credit could have grave implications for an already
stalling U.S. EV transition. And yet representatives of Tesla
(TSLA.O), opens new tab - by far the nation's biggest EV maker - have
told a Trump-transition committee they support ending the subsidy,
said the two sources, speaking on condition of anonymity.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/trumps-transition-team-aims-kill-biden-ev-tax-credit-2024-11-14/

actually saving the planet.

Illogical comment, if above is true.

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On Tue, 26 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 10:27:21 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

so clearly supporting other companies is more important than
actually saving the planet.

Federal government has had rules, like

Be made by a qualified manufacturer
Undergo final assembly in North America https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/credits-for-new-clean-vehicles-purchased-in-2023-or-after

Tesla has profited for years when other companies were not engaged. ===================

so clearly supporting other companies

If below is true, it shows Musk wants a toe hold on the market, by
fucking those other companies. He has enjoyed this tax credit for
years.

Ending the tax credit could have grave implications for an already
stalling U.S. EV transition. And yet representatives of Tesla
(TSLA.O), opens new tab - by far the nation's biggest EV maker - have
told a Trump-transition committee they support ending the subsidy,
said the two sources, speaking on condition of anonymity.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/trumps-transition-team-aims-kill-biden-ev-tax-credit-2024-11-14/

actually saving the planet.

Illogical comment, if above is true.

Incorrect. If you truly believe in the climate change hoax, every ppm of
co2 counts, and you will support anything that lowers it. You will also
sell your home, downsize your car, and contribute that money towards
"saving the planet".

If not, you are not a true believer, but most likely an arm chair climate hoaxer or virtue signalling.

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In <e59c99f7-19f6-2ddd-7d44-c1e8226dbefe@example.net> D <nospam@example.net> writes:

[snip]

Incorrect. If you truly believe in the climate change hoax,i

That sobbing sound in the background is a generation of your
health and science teachers pulling out your Permanent Record
and just crying over how pathetically dumb you've become.

--
_____________________________________________________
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
dannyb@panix.com
[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

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On Tue, 26 Nov 2024, danny burstein wrote:

In <e59c99f7-19f6-2ddd-7d44-c1e8226dbefe@example.net> D <nospam@example.net> writes:

[snip]

Incorrect. If you truly believe in the climate change hoax,i

That sobbing sound in the background is a generation of your
health and science teachers pulling out your Permanent Record
and just crying over how pathetically dumb you've become.

This is incorrect! Science has proven that you are stupid. I'm sorry.

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On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 16:26:04 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

actually saving the planet.

Illogical comment, if above is true.

Incorrect.

Out of context...Musk was your focus, suggesting he would be left out
from the pork barrel.

so clearly supporting other companies is more important than
actually saving the planet.

Musk has gotten fat on that tax pork barrel, and does not want others
to feast on it.

Musk also does not care about the planet....he produces lots of CO2 as
he flies around.

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On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 16:26:04 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

climate change hoax

What were Charles Darwin's and Svante Arrherius's thoughts in regards
to environmental changes?

Want to go back to the good old days, and experience a local climate
change?

L.A.'s Smoggy Past, in Photos https://www.pbssocal.org/shows/lost-la/l-a-s-smoggy-past-in-photos

"Climate is the average weather in a given area over a longer period
of time"

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On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 01:45:38 +0000, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

Smog? You call that smog? This is smog - a London Pea-Souper:

Trump's stooges call that fake news....

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On Tue, 26 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 16:26:04 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

actually saving the planet.

Illogical comment, if above is true.

Incorrect.

Out of context...Musk was your focus, suggesting he would be left out
from the pork barrel.

so clearly supporting other companies is more important than
actually saving the planet.

Musk has gotten fat on that tax pork barrel, and does not want others
to feast on it.

Musk also does not care about the planet....he produces lots of CO2 as
he flies around.

I'm not talking Musk. I'm saying that california does not care about the
planet by excluding Musk. If you truly care, any non ICE car is a win, including cars from Musk.

It only shows that

1. Climate for them is virtue signalling.
2. The real enemy is Musk, and they try to greenwash it.

A political person hounding a private citizen is illegal, and Trump will
crush them eventually. We are lucky that our lord became president, he
will rectify many things and discipline socialist democrats.

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On Tue, 26 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 16:26:04 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

climate change hoax

What were Charles Darwin's and Svante Arrherius's thoughts in regards
to environmental changes?

They were nerds! We learned since then, that the majority of climate
change is due to the sun and other natural factors.

https://www.newstarget.com/2024-11-25-climate-scientists-declare-sudden-end-climate-emergency.html
https://thehighwire.com/editorial/new-peer-reviewed-study-co2-has-zero-impact-on-climate-change/

Read and rejoice!

Want to go back to the good old days, and experience a local climate
change?

I'm talking global climate change, baby!

L.A.'s Smoggy Past, in Photos https://www.pbssocal.org/shows/lost-la/l-a-s-smoggy-past-in-photos

"Climate is the average weather in a given area over a longer period
of time"

Let's go for the global average shall we. A monkey can realize that local conditions have always, and always will, change. Better to adapt, than the erroneous belief that by increasing taxes, we'll change the climate system
of the planet.

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On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 10:37:24 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

What were Charles Darwin's and Svante Arrherius's thoughts in regards
to environmental changes?

They were nerds!

Illiterate on this topic...confirmed.

"Climate is the average weather in a given area over a longer period
of time"

Let's go for the global average shall we.

AI Overview

The global average temperature has increased significantly since the
late 19th century, and the rate of warming has accelerated in recent
decades:

Temperature increase
The global average temperature has increased by about 1.36C
(2.45F) since the pre-industrial average of 1850-1900.

Rate of warming
The rate of warming has increased since the late 1970s, rising 0.32 to
0.51F per decade. Since 1982, the rate of warming has been more than
three times as fast as it was from 1850 to 1980.

Warmest years on record
2023 was the warmest year on record, and the 10 warmest years have all
occurred in the past decade

2023 was the first year with all days over 1 C warmer than the
pre-industrial period.

Temperatures in 2023 likely exceeded those of any period in at least
the last 100,000 years

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On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 10:29:58 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

I'm not talking Musk. I'm saying that california does not care about the >planet by excluding Musk.

so clearly supporting other companies is more important than
actually saving the planet.

Like I said, Musk benefited....and now, he does not want other OEMs to
have it. Foreign OEMs are not allowed this advantage.

Excluding a fat Musk is good for others, and provides incentives for
these others to produce their EVs. Musk wants a toe-hold on EVs, and
would prefer to corner this market....limited competition then, which
is not good for consumers.

Keep in mind, imports from China get taxed (tariff)...they are much
cheaper.
=====================


In May 2024, the United States increased tariffs on Chinese-made EVs
from 25% to 100%, this follows its longstanding concern about China's
'unfair trade practices.' In July this year, the European Union
imposed a provisional anti-subsidy tariff of up to 37.6% on EVs
imported from China. This comes after an anti-subsidy investigation
launched by the European Commission in October 2023 without a petition
by domestic EV producers. In August, Canada followed suit increasing
its 6.1% import tariff on Chinese EVs to 100%, also citing well-known
issues relating to Chinese industrial policies and subsidies, which
cause overcapacity and unfair competition.

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2024/09/major-economies-are-taking-aim-at-china-s-ev-industry-here-s-what-to-know/

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On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 10:29:58 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

I'm not talking Musk

On another Musk note:


Kevin M. Kruse @kevinmkruse.bsky.social?

"Elon Musk, whose companies have received nearly $8 billion in
government funding through an assortment of federal grants, tax
breaks, government subsidies and contracts, proposed today that senior
citizens need to 'tighten their belt' to help balance the national
budget."

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On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 16:26:04 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

climate change hoax

25 myths and bad arguments about climate change https://thelogicofscience.com/2016/10/17/25-myths-and-bad-arguments-about-climate-change/#Bad%20Argument/Myth%20#12

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 16:26:04 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

climate change hoax

25 myths and bad arguments about climate change https://thelogicofscience.com/2016/10/17/25-myths-and-bad-arguments-about-climate-change/#Bad%20Argument/Myth%20#12

https://www.hoover.org/research/flawed-climate-models https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/global-warming-manmade-or-natural/ https://thehighwire.com/editorial/new-peer-reviewed-study-co2-has-zero-impact-on-climate-change/

Rejoice, you now have the truth! (TM)

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