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  • Russia behind 'staggeringly reckless' sabotage in Europe

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 29 07:03:21 2024
    Russia behind 'staggeringly reckless' sabotage in Europe, says head of
    UK's MI6

    Russia is waging a "staggeringly reckless campaign" of sabotage in
    Europe while also stepping up its nuclear sabre-rattling to scare
    other countries off from backing Ukraine, the head of the UK's Secret Intelligence Service known as MI6, said on Friday.

    Richard Moore said in a speech in Paris on Friday that were Vladimir
    Putin to succeed in reducing Ukraine to a vassal state, he would not
    stop there, reports Reuters.

    "Our security - British, French, European and transatlantic- will be jeopardised," he said, adding:

    We have recently uncovered a staggeringly reckless campaign of
    Russian sabotage in Europe, even as Putin and his acolytes resort to
    nuclear sabre-rattling to sow fear about the consequences of aiding
    Ukraine."

    He said the cost of supporting Ukraine was well known, but added:

    The cost of not doing so would be infinitely higher. If Putin
    succeeds China would weigh the implications, North Korea would be
    emboldened and Iran would become still more dangerous."

    Reuters repots that Moore's speech seemed aimed at rallying wavering
    European allies and any sceptics in the incoming US administration of
    Donald Trump about the importance of Ukraine. He joins other western intelligence officials in warning about increasing Russian sabotage
    actions.

    Nato and western intelligence services have said that Russia is behind
    a growing number of hostile activities across the Euro-Atlantic area,
    ranging from repeated cyber-attacks to Moscow-linked arson - all of
    which Russia denies.

    The UK's domestic spy chief said last month that Russia's GRU military intelligence service was seeking to cause "mayhem" across the UK and
    Europe. And sources familiar with US intelligence told Reuters this
    week that Russia was likely to expand its campaign of sabotage against
    European targets to increase pressure on the west over its support for
    Kyiv.

    Moore added that cooperation between the UK and the US had made its
    societies safer, and that that would continue. "I worked successfully
    with the first Trump administration to advance our shared security and
    look forward to doing so again," he said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/29/ukraine-war-live-russian-defence-minister-north-korea-military-vladimir-putin-volodymyr-zelenskyy

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Nov 29 22:44:48 2024
    On Fri, 29 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

    Russia behind 'staggeringly reckless' sabotage in Europe, says head of
    UK's MI6

    Russia is waging a "staggeringly reckless campaign" of sabotage in
    Europe while also stepping up its nuclear sabre-rattling to scare
    other countries off from backing Ukraine, the head of the UK's Secret Intelligence Service known as MI6, said on Friday.

    Richard Moore said in a speech in Paris on Friday that were Vladimir
    Putin to succeed in reducing Ukraine to a vassal state, he would not
    stop there, reports Reuters.

    "Our security - British, French, European and transatlantic- will be jeopardised," he said, adding:

    We have recently uncovered a staggeringly reckless campaign of
    Russian sabotage in Europe, even as Putin and his acolytes resort to
    nuclear sabre-rattling to sow fear about the consequences of aiding
    Ukraine."

    He said the cost of supporting Ukraine was well known, but added:

    The cost of not doing so would be infinitely higher. If Putin
    succeeds China would weigh the implications, North Korea would be
    emboldened and Iran would become still more dangerous."

    Reuters repots that Moore's speech seemed aimed at rallying wavering
    European allies and any sceptics in the incoming US administration of
    Donald Trump about the importance of Ukraine. He joins other western intelligence officials in warning about increasing Russian sabotage
    actions.

    Nato and western intelligence services have said that Russia is behind
    a growing number of hostile activities across the Euro-Atlantic area,
    ranging from repeated cyber-attacks to Moscow-linked arson - all of
    which Russia denies.

    The UK's domestic spy chief said last month that Russia's GRU military intelligence service was seeking to cause "mayhem" across the UK and
    Europe. And sources familiar with US intelligence told Reuters this
    week that Russia was likely to expand its campaign of sabotage against European targets to increase pressure on the west over its support for
    Kyiv.

    Moore added that cooperation between the UK and the US had made its
    societies safer, and that that would continue. "I worked successfully
    with the first Trump administration to advance our shared security and
    look forward to doing so again," he said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/29/ukraine-war-live-russian-defence-minister-north-korea-military-vladimir-putin-volodymyr-zelenskyy



    This is obvious to anyone who has studied history. Look at what happened
    when Hitlers was allowed to have his way. The world paid dearly for it
    some years after. The same will happen with Putin.

    But Trump will bring him to his knees, and grab him tightly by the pussy!

    I read today that Ukraine is willing to trade Nato membership for a cease
    fire with russia.

    Will be interesting to see the reactions to his statement. As far as I
    know, Nato is not allowed to accept members which have conflicts within
    their borders.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Fri Nov 29 18:18:39 2024
    On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 22:44:48 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Ukraine is willing to trade Nato membership

    "The Ukrainian president said his country could give up land
    temporarily in exchange for a 'Nato umbrella' over the territory
    Ukraine?

    Wait and see...but Putin don't like NATO in his backyard.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Nov 30 12:10:36 2024
    On Fri, 29 Nov 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 22:44:48 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Ukraine is willing to trade Nato membership

    "The Ukrainian president said his country could give up land
    temporarily in exchange for a 'Nato umbrella' over the territory
    Ukraine?

    Wait and see...but Putin don't like NATO in his backyard.


    Of course not. I also read that the state of the russian economy is
    worsening. If it becomes even worse, pressure will mount to do something drastic to distract the population. I do not think his image could stand a cease-fire where Ukraine does not give away land. That would be seen as weakness by his enemies. Cease-fire + Nato membership would be a half loss
    for russia.

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