• UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was fatally shot

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 4 20:07:21 2024
    Slain UnitedHealthcare CEO's wife, company boss break silence after
    executive murdered outside hotel

    UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was fatally shot outside Hilton
    Hotel in New York City

    The bereaved wife and associates of Brian Thompson, the CEO of major
    insurance company UnitedHealthcare, who was assassinated after a
    recent spate of death threats, spoke out hours after the fatal
    shooting this morning
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    "There had been some threats," Thompson's wife told NBC News.
    "Basically, I don't know, a lack of [health care] coverage? I don't
    know details. I just know that he said there were some people that had
    been threatening him."

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-us/slain-unitedhealthcare-ceo-wife-company-boss-break-silence-after-executive-murdered-outside-hotel

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 4 20:59:45 2024
    Hit Men Aren't What You Think

    It remains unclear what happened to the UnitedHealthcare CEO in
    Manhattan. One explanation may be less likely.
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    Many who noted the details of the shooting had an immediate question:
    Is this what a professional hit looks like in real life? The NYPD has
    said nothing of the sort, but that didn't stop speculation from
    running rampant online on Wednesday. Dennis Kenney, a professor at
    John Jay College of Criminal Justice with decades of expertise
    studying professional killers, had unique perspective on that. He's
    spent time over the years dispelling myths about contract killings
    borne of movies and Law & Order episodes. He told me he found aspects
    of the attack peculiar, and agreed to talk to me while emphasizing
    that it's too early to draw definitive conclusions about a crime for
    which very little information has been released. Our conversation has
    been condensed and edited.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/12/united-healthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-shot-suspect.html

    Good read...I agree with the Prof's assesment...

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 7 19:04:51 2024
    NYC Mayor Says Suspect Identified in UnitedHealth Executive's Murder,
    NY Post Reports

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    ...ABC

    UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting latest: Suspect's backpack had Monopoly
    money

    The suspect allegedly arrived in New York on a Greyhound bus that
    departed from Atlanta. Police have learned that the suspect took a
    taxi to the Port Authority bus facility at 178th Street and boarded a
    bus out of New York City following the shooting, according to police.

    The bus the suspect is believed to have boarded out of the city made
    six or seven stops, and investigators have followed leads in multiple
    states, the sources said.
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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Dec 9 19:12:50 2024
    On Sat, 07 Dec 2024 19:04:51 -0600, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

    NYC Mayor Says Suspect Identified in UnitedHealth Executive's Murder,
    NY Post Reports

    Police arrest "person of interest" in C.E.O.'s killing

    The suspect, identified as Luigi Mangione, 26, was arrested in
    Altoona, Penn., after he was spotted at a McDonald's by someone who
    believed he resembled the gunman, officials said at a news conference

    Mangione was found with a "ghost gun" - a firearm assembled from
    parts, making it untraceable - and a silencer consistent with the
    weapon used to shoot Thompson, New York City Police Commissioner
    Jessica Tisch said, as well as clothing and a mask similar to those
    worn by the killer. The ghost gun may have been produced by a 3D
    printer, said Joseph Kenny, the NYPD's chief of detectives.

    Mangione had multiple fraudulent identifications, including a fake New
    Jersey ID that matched the one used by the gunman to check into a
    Manhattan hostel days before the shooting, officials said.
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    Mangione graduated from a private all-boys school in Baltimore as
    valedictorian in 2016 before earning dual engineering degrees at the
    University of Pennsylvania, according to media reports, social media
    posts and school records. His last known address was in Honolulu,
    officials said.

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/suspect-in-killing-of-unitedhealth-executive-brian-thompson-in-custody-1.7138694

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 9 19:48:57 2024
    Luigi Mangione's Hawai'i Friends Shocked By Arrest In UnitedHealthcare
    CEO Shooting

    Hawaii friends of Luigi Mangione, arrested in the killing of
    UnitedHealthcare's CEO, recall him as a natural leader who led a book
    club where members would share ideas while watching sunsets from a
    place called Magic Island.

    "He was just such a thoughtful and deeply compassionate person at
    everything he did," said Jackie Wexler, a food technologist in New
    York. She used to live with Mangione at Surfbreak, a co-living space
    near Honolulu's Ala Moana Beach Park.

    Mangione, 26, suffered chronic back pain from an apparent pinched
    nerve, said R.J. Martin, Surfbreak's founder. His friends stopped
    hearing from him this summer.

    https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/12/luigi-mangiones-hawai%CA%BBi-friends-shocked-by-arrest-in-unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting/

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Dec 9 20:11:02 2024
    On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 19:48:57 -0600, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

    Luigi Mangione

    Based on his social media profile, the man who allegedly murdered the
    United Healthcare CEO is an Ivy leaguer and fan of Elon Musk, Tucker
    Carlson, Peter Thiel and other right-leaning personalties. He also
    attended a $40,000 per year prep school. Guessing he could afford
    insurance

    https://bsky.app/profile/shannonrwatts.bsky.social/post/3lcvh7yvyj22g

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 9 20:19:40 2024
    Luigi Mangione's sprawling family found success after patriarch's rise

    Nick Mangione Sr. had a ready retort when people questioned how he had purchased a high-profile local country club in the 1970s: "They asked
    me what family I belonged to. I told them, 'I belong to the Mangione
    family. The Mangione family of Baltimore County,'" he told The
    Baltimore Sun in 1995.

    The patriarch of a sprawling Italian American family, who died in
    2008, was a self-made multimillionaire real estate developer who owned
    country clubs, nursing homes and radio stations while supporting an
    array of civic causes.

    His descendants -- he and his wife, Mary, had 10 children -- went on
    to be successful in their own right, including excelling in athletics
    at Loyola University and taking over the family businesses, while a
    grandchild is a state delegate. One of his 37 grandchildren is now a
    person of interest in the shocking killing in Manhattan of
    UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

    Luigi Mangione, a 26-year-old whose father led Mangione Family
    Enterprises, was himself off to a prominent start: valedictorian of
    the 2016 class at The Gilman School, a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania and an early career data engineer.

    https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/community/criminal-justice/luigi-mangione-family-baltimore-towson-GPRMNCATXRGDJAUZXJQO6RHSHU/

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Dec 10 09:46:12 2024
    On Mon, 9 Dec 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 19:48:57 -0600, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

    Luigi Mangione

    Based on his social media profile, the man who allegedly murdered the
    United Healthcare CEO is an Ivy leaguer and fan of Elon Musk, Tucker
    Carlson, Peter Thiel and other right-leaning personalties. He also
    attended a $40,000 per year prep school. Guessing he could afford
    insurance

    https://bsky.app/profile/shannonrwatts.bsky.social/post/3lcvh7yvyj22g


    This happens. Wasn't Che Guevara from am rich family? I think one of the communist saints was from a rich family but can't remember who.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Tue Dec 10 04:52:05 2024
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 09:46:12 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    This happens. Wasn't Che Guevara from am rich family?

    "upper-class Argentine family "

    From news/social bytes, it was indicated Luigi Mangione had bouts of
    back pain, and maybe an operation which did not eliminate this pain.

    If true......US health insurance policies tend to not cover
    "pre-existing" conditions, so I don't know if he was mad as hell.

    He seemed like a good person...via tidbits I read.

    On a different note, lets see how many J6]ers the clown pardons. He's
    promoting violence if he does it.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Tue Dec 10 15:37:17 2024
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 09:46:12 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    This happens.

    "UnitedHealthcare Killing Suspect Said to Have History of Back Pain, a
    Common Medical Problem"

    Unknown where this topic goes, but there might be a relationship to
    not being able to acquire health insurance in order to pay for another operation.

    I'm not familiar with this "pre-existing" condition topic in regards
    to say company based insurance policies for employees.

    I rather suspect a medical operation is not cheap... $20,000 to
    $70,000 would be in the ballpark prices.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Dec 11 10:33:48 2024
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024, JAB wrote:

    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 09:46:12 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    This happens.

    "UnitedHealthcare Killing Suspect Said to Have History of Back Pain, a
    Common Medical Problem"

    Unknown where this topic goes, but there might be a relationship to
    not being able to acquire health insurance in order to pay for another operation.

    I'm not familiar with this "pre-existing" condition topic in regards
    to say company based insurance policies for employees.

    I rather suspect a medical operation is not cheap... $20,000 to
    $70,000 would be in the ballpark prices.


    Hmm, I wonder if there's a business opportunity in medical tourism to
    europe for expensiev procedures? Imagine a company that takes care of
    migrating americans in need of expensive procedures to europe.

    Once they are there and resident, they can then go to the public
    healthcare system, get their operation, and then move back to the US.

    The big question is time. I can easily imagine that immigration from the
    US might take 3-6 months, and then, depending on the operation you need,
    the waiting time in europe can be 3-15 months.

    But maybe that long time might be worth it, if the procedure costs several
    100s of thousands in the US?

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Wed Dec 11 06:46:25 2024
    On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 10:33:48 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Hmm, I wonder

    Unknown for specifics about him, but pre-existing conditions
    eliminates many people from getting full coverage health care.


    Oct 01, 2020

    Other estimates put the number of non-elderly adults with pre-existing conditions as high as 102 million, 122 million, or 133 million. In
    addition to declinable conditions, these estimates took into account
    conditions that would not necessarily get a person denied when
    applying for individual health insurance then, but that could trigger
    other adverse actions. Hypertension (high blood pressure) is an
    example of one such common pre-existing condition affecting more than
    33 million adults under 65. A KFF study of medical underwriting
    practices asked individual market insurers to consider a hypothetical
    applicant with high blood pressure who also smoked and was overweight.
    In 60 applications for coverage, this person was rejected 33 times
    (55%); offered a policy with surcharged premiums 25 times (42%), and
    offered coverage with no restrictions or premium surcharges twice
    (3%).

    https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/pre-existing-conditions-what-are-they-and-how-many-people-have-them/

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Thu Dec 12 12:44:06 2024
    On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 10:33:48 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Hmm

    Luigi Mangione suffered from spondylolisthesis, a back condition.
    Experts say it can cause 'massive' pain.

    Mangione had reportedly lived with chronic pain before undergoing
    back surgery in 2023
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    Mangione apparently wrote in another post that he spent 1.5 years
    undergoing "conservative" treatment for his back pain until he posted
    in 2023 about having back surgery, adding that he needed "zero pain
    meds" within a week of the operation. But, in May of that year, he
    reposted an X post referring to most doctors as "basically worthless"
    (the post has since been deleted), Business Insider reported.
    ...
    And it can be quite painful. "If the nerves are pinched ... putting
    weight on your spine can hurt a lot," Samadani adds. "It is an
    excruciating pain, and it doesn't go away with conservative
    management. Medications aren't going to help, injections aren't going
    to help." (According to the Cleveland Clinic, most cases of
    spondylolisthesis can be effectively managed with rest, pain
    medication, steroid injections and physical therapy, but more severe
    cases may require surgery.)

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/luigi-mangione-suffered-from-spondylolisthesis-a-back-condition-experts-say-it-can-cause-massive-pain-002349224.html

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 19 15:46:54 2025
    UnitedHealth, employer of slain exec Brian Thompson, found to have
    overcharged some cancer patients for drugs by over 1,000%
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    UnitedHealth Group is charging patients a markup for key life-saving
    drugs that could easily exceed their cost by a factor of ten or more,
    according to findings from the Federal Trade Commission
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    The business that was managed by Thompson, the group's insurance arm
    United Healthcare, had denied twice as many claims as the industry
    average, according to figures from comparison site ValuePenguin.

    Just this month, surgeon Elisabeth Potter recounted how she was in the
    midst of operating on a breast cancer patient when an urgent call came
    in from United Healthcare demanding proof the procedure was in fact
    justified.

    "It's out of control," she said in a video uploaded to TikTok,
    "insurance is out of control."

    https://fortune.com/2025/01/15/ftc-pbms-unitedhealth-brian-thompson-cvs-caremark-cigna-pharmacy-benefit-managers/

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