38 House Republicans Give Trump the Finger in Shutdown Vote

A government shutdown is looking increasingly likely after an
embarrassing number of House GOP rebels bucked Donald Trump Thursday
night.

A bill that Trump had demanded--which included raising the debt
limit--went down in flames on the House floor with 38 Republicans
joining Democrats to oppose it. Trump killed House Speaker Mike
Johnson's initial bipartisan plan, which was expected to easily coast
through Congress despite facing backlash from conservatives.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/38-house-republicans-give-trump-the-finger-in-shutdown-vote/

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2024, JAB wrote:

38 House Republicans Give Trump the Finger in Shutdown Vote

A government shutdown is looking increasingly likely after an
embarrassing number of House GOP rebels bucked Donald Trump Thursday
night.

A bill that Trump had demanded--which included raising the debt
limit--went down in flames on the House floor with 38 Republicans
joining Democrats to oppose it. Trump killed House Speaker Mike
Johnson's initial bipartisan plan, which was expected to easily coast
through Congress despite facing backlash from conservatives.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/38-house-republicans-give-trump-the-finger-in-shutdown-vote/

This is not respectful! Our king and lord will punish them severely!

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 22:40:30 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Our king and lord will punish them severely!

Who?

President Musk https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbaa66720-b212-4089-acaa-83c7665a20c6_2302x1512.jpeg

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2024, Auric Hellman wrote:

On 12/20/2024 8:46 PM, JAB wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 22:40:30 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Our king and lord will punish them severely!

Who?

President Musk
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbaa66720-b212-4089-acaa-83c7665a20c6_2302x1512.jpeg

Once Trump realizes that the public perceives Elon Musk as the "shadow President', he will find a way to severe ties with him. Trump's ego will never allow a co-equal.

And let's not forget the ego of Musk! I see it as obvious and inevitable
that the two will eventually clash. Then there will be beautiful
fireworks!

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On Fri, 20 Dec 2024, JAB wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 22:40:30 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Our king and lord will punish them severely!

Who?

President Musk https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbaa66720-b212-4089-acaa-83c7665a20c6_2302x1512.jpeg

Oh, you're a Musk-man? I can live with that! ;)

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On Dec 21, 2024 at 06:28:19 EST, "D" <nospam@example.net> wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2024, Auric Hellman wrote:

On 12/20/2024 8:46 PM, JAB wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 22:40:30 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Our king and lord will punish them severely!

Who?

President Musk
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbaa66720-b212-4089-acaa-83c7665a20c6_2302x1512.jpeg

Once Trump realizes that the public perceives Elon Musk as the "shadow
President', he will find a way to severe ties with him. Trump's ego will
never allow a co-equal.

And let's not forget the ego of Musk! I see it as obvious and inevitable
that the two will eventually clash. Then there will be beautiful
fireworks!

I thought the same thing when I was watching this week !

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On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 12:28:19 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Musk

He doesn't understand the consequences of cutting this/that.

=============================================

Elon Musk told a cheering crowd at Sunday's MAGA rally in New York
that if Donald Trump puts him in charge of government efficiency, as
planned, he can cut "at least $2 trillion" from the current federal
budget.

And that can only mean one of two things.

Either Donald Trump and Elon Musk are planning to cut 85% of all
spending on highways, disaster relief, federal bank-deposit insurance
and the departments of Agriculture, Homeland Security and Justice;
close all U.S. embassies; and abolish the Environmental Protection
Agency, the Small Business Administration, NASA and nearly all
welfare, income-support, food-stamp and childhood-nutrition programs.

Or they are planning on cutting Social Security and Medicare --
despite Donald Trump's protests to the contrary.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/if-musk-and-trump-want-to-cut-federal-spending-by-2-trillion-theyll-have-to-come-for-social-security-and-medicare-36450c5f

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JAB <here@is.invalid> writes:

On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 12:28:19 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Musk

He doesn't understand the consequences of cutting this/that.

In any case, the Grace commission's failure taught everyone serious
about the budget, liberal or conservative, an important lesson:
Anyone who proposes saving lots of taxpayer money by eliminating
"waste, fraud and abuse" should be ignored, because the very
use of the phrase shows that they have no idea what they're talking
about.

-- https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/the-fraudulence-of-waste-fraud-and

=============================================

Elon Musk told a cheering crowd at Sunday's MAGA rally in New York
that if Donald Trump puts him in charge of government efficiency, as
planned, he can cut "at least $2 trillion" from the current federal
budget.

And that can only mean one of two things.

Either Donald Trump and Elon Musk are planning to cut 85% of all
spending on highways, disaster relief, federal bank-deposit insurance
and the departments of Agriculture, Homeland Security and Justice;
close all U.S. embassies; and abolish the Environmental Protection
Agency, the Small Business Administration, NASA and nearly all
welfare, income-support, food-stamp and childhood-nutrition programs.

Or they are planning on cutting Social Security and Medicare --
despite Donald Trump's protests to the contrary.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/if-musk-and-trump-want-to-cut-federal-spending-by-2-trillion-theyll-have-to-come-for-social-security-and-medicare-36450c5f

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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On Sat, 21 Dec 2024, JAB wrote:

On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 12:28:19 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Musk

He doesn't understand the consequences of cutting this/that.

=============================================

Elon Musk told a cheering crowd at Sunday's MAGA rally in New York
that if Donald Trump puts him in charge of government efficiency, as
planned, he can cut "at least $2 trillion" from the current federal
budget.

And that can only mean one of two things.

Either Donald Trump and Elon Musk are planning to cut 85% of all
spending on highways, disaster relief, federal bank-deposit insurance
and the departments of Agriculture, Homeland Security and Justice;
close all U.S. embassies; and abolish the Environmental Protection
Agency, the Small Business Administration, NASA and nearly all
welfare, income-support, food-stamp and childhood-nutrition programs.

Or they are planning on cutting Social Security and Medicare --
despite Donald Trump's protests to the contrary.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/if-musk-and-trump-want-to-cut-federal-spending-by-2-trillion-theyll-have-to-come-for-social-security-and-medicare-36450c5f

Let's just conclude, a lot of cutting. And this is good! US will become
more libertarian, and mroe free, and the people will rejoice! =D

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On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 12:33:07 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Let's just conclude, a lot of cutting. And this is good!

Consequences - "The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)
is projected to make up 84% of the current Farm Bill's budget."

Wiki - In the United States, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance
Program, formerly known as the Food Stamp Program, is a federal
government program that provides food-purchasing assistance for low-
and no-income persons to help them maintain adequate nutrition and
health
=================

Via Mike's cite

"... But most government spending happens because it delivers
something people want, and you can't make significant cuts without
hard choices.

Furthermore, the notion that businessmen have skills that readily
translate into managing the government is all wrong. Business and
government serve different purposes and require different mindsets."

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On Sun, 22 Dec 2024, JAB wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 12:33:07 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Let's just conclude, a lot of cutting. And this is good!

Consequences - "The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)
is projected to make up 84% of the current Farm Bill's budget."

Wiki - In the United States, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance
Program, formerly known as the Food Stamp Program, is a federal
government program that provides food-purchasing assistance for low-
and no-income persons to help them maintain adequate nutrition and
health
=================

Via Mike's cite

"... But most government spending happens because it delivers
something people want, and you can't make significant cuts without
hard choices.

Furthermore, the notion that businessmen have skills that readily
translate into managing the government is all wrong. Business and
government serve different purposes and require different mindsets."

This is incorrect. Government is based on violence, and is no different
from a criminal gang. Government serves itself, and is a parasite on
productive people.

Businesses serve the needs of the people on the free market based on free, informed consent.

Therefore the only ethical system of governance is based on business, and customers, and therefore, businessmen are really the philosopher kings of plato.

In contrast, proffesional politicians are tyrants, thugs and criminals and
have no business governing anything. They are pure destruction.

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On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 21:45:29 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Businesses serve the needs of the people

Businesses serve the needs of its shareholders...

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On Sun, 22 Dec 2024, JAB wrote:

On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 21:45:29 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Businesses serve the needs of the people

Businesses serve the needs of its shareholders...

So they are not people? Businesses serve the needs of its customers. If it doesn't, there won't be anything for the shareholders. Customers are
primary, shareholder second. Both customers and share holders are people,
ergo "the people".

Add to that, that anyone can become a customer or a shareholder, compared
with nations who limit membership based on arbitrary things such as birth
or ancestry.

So even there, business is democratic, and government is authoritarian and anti-democratic.

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On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 13:06:36 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

So they are not people? Businesses serve the needs of...

Dodge v. Ford Motor Co

Dodge v. Ford Motor Co., 204 Mich 459; 170 NW 668 (1919),[1] is a case
in which the Michigan Supreme Court held that Henry Ford had to
operate the Ford Motor Company in the interests of its shareholders,
rather than in a manner for the benefit of his employees or customers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.

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On Mon, 23 Dec 2024, JAB wrote:

On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 13:06:36 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

So they are not people? Businesses serve the needs of...

Dodge v. Ford Motor Co

Dodge v. Ford Motor Co., 204 Mich 459; 170 NW 668 (1919),[1] is a case
in which the Michigan Supreme Court held that Henry Ford had to
operate the Ford Motor Company in the interests of its shareholders,
rather than in a manner for the benefit of his employees or customers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.

Hah! What do I care? The supreme court is an errand boy of the parasite we
call the government. The government thrives on sucking out the life force
of the people to further its own ends.

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