• other governments don't have to cooperate

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 24 20:23:53 2025
    Mexico and other countries could hamper Trump border plans

    Lawmakers, experts point out other governments don't have to cooperate President Donald Trump's plans to seal the U.S.-Mexico border and
    conduct mass deportations might soon run into a major roadblock:
    Mexico and the countries where the immigrants come from might not
    accept some of them back.

    Trump on Monday signed an order to revive of the "Remain in Mexico"
    policy, which requires asylum-seekers to stay outside the United
    States as their claims are processed. But on the front lines of the
    U.S.-Mexico border, that requires a degree of cooperation from the
    Mexican government, which appears resistant.

    Mexico's President Claudia Sheinbaum told reporters Wednesday she has
    not agreed to accept non-Mexican migrants seeking asylum in the United
    States, and such a move would require Mexico to agree, according to
    report in Reuters.

    https://rollcall.com/2025/01/24/mexico-and-other-countries-could-hamper-trump-border-plans/

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 24 20:25:02 2025
    An expert witness at a House Judiciary Committee hearing Wednesday
    listed other countries that have refused to take back migrants, such
    as Cuba, Venezuela, China, India, Bangladesh and Iran.

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Jan 24 21:58:36 2025
    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 20:23:53 -0600
    JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

    Mexico and other countries could hamper Trump border plans

    Lawmakers, experts point out other governments don't have to cooperate President Donald Trump's plans to seal the U.S.-Mexico border and
    conduct mass deportations might soon run into a major roadblock:
    Mexico and the countries where the immigrants come from might not
    accept some of them back.

    Fuck that. Here they come, motherfuckers, like it or not.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Jan 25 11:38:43 2025
    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025, JAB wrote:

    An expert witness at a House Judiciary Committee hearing Wednesday
    listed other countries that have refused to take back migrants, such
    as Cuba, Venezuela, China, India, Bangladesh and Iran.


    Another technique that is being discussed in sweden (that is having the
    same problem but on a much more serious scale, relative to the size of the country and nr of illegal immigrants) is to abolish foreign aide to those countries who do not accept immigrants back. Since the dictators benefit financially and personally from foreign aide, they will accept, get the
    money, and then kick them out again on a new migration cycle.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Jan 25 11:37:19 2025
    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025, JAB wrote:

    Mexico and other countries could hamper Trump border plans

    Lawmakers, experts point out other governments don't have to cooperate President Donald Trump's plans to seal the U.S.-Mexico border and
    conduct mass deportations might soon run into a major roadblock:
    Mexico and the countries where the immigrants come from might not
    accept some of them back.

    Trump on Monday signed an order to revive of the "Remain in Mexico"
    policy, which requires asylum-seekers to stay outside the United
    States as their claims are processed. But on the front lines of the U.S.-Mexico border, that requires a degree of cooperation from the
    Mexican government, which appears resistant.

    Mexico's President Claudia Sheinbaum told reporters Wednesday she has
    not agreed to accept non-Mexican migrants seeking asylum in the United States, and such a move would require Mexico to agree, according to
    report in Reuters.

    https://rollcall.com/2025/01/24/mexico-and-other-countries-could-hamper-trump-border-plans/

    Happens all the time. Trump will just push them over the border, close it,
    and argue that they came from mexico in the first place, so it's their
    problem. Problem solved.

    I also heard that he will start to use mines at the border as well as AI controlled drones with guns. It will be more effectice than the good old
    wall.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sat Jan 25 07:08:47 2025
    On Sat, 25 Jan 2025 11:37:19 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I also heard

    "The Trump administration began sending deportees on US military
    planes back to Guatemala and El Salvador, according to people familiar
    with the matter, as it looks to demonstrate that it's acting on
    campaign promises to return millions of migrants to their home
    countries."

    Question is, how long will this last before these countries get ticked
    off?

    Is US offering some greenbacks to these countries for this "service"

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Jan 25 18:52:39 2025
    On Sat, 25 Jan 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Sat, 25 Jan 2025 11:37:19 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    I also heard

    "The Trump administration began sending deportees on US military
    planes back to Guatemala and El Salvador, according to people familiar
    with the matter, as it looks to demonstrate that it's acting on
    campaign promises to return millions of migrants to their home
    countries."

    Question is, how long will this last before these countries get ticked
    off?

    Is US offering some greenbacks to these countries for this "service"

    Foreign aid? A pat on the head?

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sat Jan 25 12:36:19 2025
    On Sat, 25 Jan 2025 18:52:39 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Foreign aid? A pat on the head?

    Article explaining below, but with time, I suspect this will change

    Guatemala open to accepting Trump's Central American deportees,
    sources say

    December 27, 2024

    Guatemala seeks smooth relations with Trump administration

    It already receives 14 deportation flights per week

    Guatemala prepares for increased deportations, plans to
    reintegrate returnees

    https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/guatemala-open-accepting-trumps-central-american-deportees-sources-say-2024-12-26/

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Jan 25 22:57:34 2025
    On Sat, 25 Jan 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Sat, 25 Jan 2025 18:52:39 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Foreign aid? A pat on the head?

    Article explaining below, but with time, I suspect this will change

    Guatemala open to accepting Trump's Central American deportees,
    sources say

    December 27, 2024

    Guatemala seeks smooth relations with Trump administration

    It already receives 14 deportation flights per week

    Guatemala prepares for increased deportations, plans to
    reintegrate returnees

    https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/guatemala-open-accepting-trumps-central-american-deportees-sources-say-2024-12-26/

    Is it a turkey deal? Turkey gets paid billions of euros to keep immigrants
    in side turkey and not open the gates and let them flood europe.

    I also know italy is paying albania to host italian prisoners.

    I think this must be the deal!

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Jan 26 20:57:58 2025
    JAB wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 21:58:36 -0700, Retrograde
    <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Here they come

    Trump heaps tariffs on Colombia after it refuses migration
    deportation flights

    Tariffs? Why doesn't he just buy the country? Columbia would
    look nice in his collection on the shelf along with Greenland,
    Canada and the Panama Canal...

    Today Washington DC... tomorrow the world.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Sun Jan 26 14:42:56 2025
    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 21:58:36 -0700, Retrograde
    <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Here they come

    Trump heaps tariffs on Colombia after it refuses migration deportation
    flights
    CNN

    Trump issuing 'emergency 25% tariffs' against Colombia after country
    turned back deportation flights

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 26 18:05:18 2025
    On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 20:57:58 GMT, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news>
    wrote:

    Tariffs?

    Yes, the T-Borg is saying "resistance is futile..submit, submit, and
    submit." If countries and corporations would say "We're Not Gonna
    Take It ," then the T-Borg would fizzle, and croak.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xmckWVPRaI

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 26 19:27:48 2025
    On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 20:57:58 GMT, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news>
    wrote:

    Tariffs?

    Colombia to send presidential plane to Honduras to pick up migrants
    from US flights

    Colombia will send its presidential plane to Honduras to pick up
    Colombians after the country refused to accept migrant deportation
    flights from the United States, causing President Trump to enact
    tariffs and other retaliatory measures on Sunday.
    ...
    ...
    Petro hit Trump back by ordering an increase of import tariffs on
    goods from the United States by 25 percent.
    ...
    ...
    Petro previously said he will deny entry to the United States's
    deportation flights as Trump's immigration plan begins.

    "The US cannot treat Colombian migrants as criminals," Petro posted
    Sunday to the social platform X. "I deny the entry of American planes
    carrying Colombian migrants into our territory."

    https://thehill.com/policy/international/5107740-colombia-presidential-plane-honduras-us-deportation-flights/

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Jan 27 10:14:42 2025
    On Sun, 26 Jan 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 21:58:36 -0700, Retrograde
    <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Here they come

    Trump heaps tariffs on Colombia after it refuses migration deportation flights
    CNN

    Trump issuing 'emergency 25% tariffs' against Colombia after country
    turned back deportation flights


    Ahhh... wonderful. Another day, another gift from the man!! Soon colombia
    shall kneel before him, and then, and only then, shall the tariffs be
    lifted.

    He is strong and powerful indeed!

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Jan 27 10:16:41 2025
    On Sun, 26 Jan 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 20:57:58 GMT, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news>
    wrote:

    Tariffs?

    Yes, the T-Borg is saying "resistance is futile..submit, submit, and
    submit." If countries and corporations would say "We're Not Gonna
    Take It ," then the T-Borg would fizzle, and croak.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xmckWVPRaI


    Please! In this group we save our lord and saviour or possibly Mr. T. Any disrespectful slurs will not be tolerated by Trump, and you might find
    yourself deported! We still want your news clippings from the world, so
    please think about how you express yourself about our new king!

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 27 09:56:48 2025
    On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 20:57:58 GMT, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news>
    wrote:

    Tariffs?

    A looming trade war between the US and Colombia appears to have been
    averted after the Colombian government agreed to allow US military
    flights carrying deported migrants to land in the Andean country.

    The spat erupted on Sunday when President Gustavo Petro barred two
    military planes carrying Colombians deported from the US from landing.

    The Trump administration responded by threatening to slap punitive
    tariffs on Colombian exports to the US.

    President Petro at first said Colombia would retaliate by imposing
    tariffs on US goods, but the White House later announced that Colombia
    had agreed to accept migrants - including those arriving on US
    military aircraft - "without limitation or delay".

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20p36e62gyo

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Jan 27 17:46:34 2025
    On Mon, 27 Jan 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 20:57:58 GMT, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news>
    wrote:

    Tariffs?

    A looming trade war between the US and Colombia appears to have been
    averted after the Colombian government agreed to allow US military
    flights carrying deported migrants to land in the Andean country.

    The spat erupted on Sunday when President Gustavo Petro barred two
    military planes carrying Colombians deported from the US from landing.

    The Trump administration responded by threatening to slap punitive
    tariffs on Colombian exports to the US.

    President Petro at first said Colombia would retaliate by imposing
    tariffs on US goods, but the White House later announced that Colombia
    had agreed to accept migrants - including those arriving on US
    military aircraft - "without limitation or delay".

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20p36e62gyo


    Hah! Told you, Trump wins again! =D

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Mon Jan 27 11:00:52 2025
    On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 17:46:34 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Trump wins again!

    Economics at play here....economics can favor one side over the other,
    which means serendipity determines the "winner."

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Jan 27 22:20:44 2025
    On Mon, 27 Jan 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 17:46:34 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Trump wins again!

    Economics at play here....economics can favor one side over the other,
    which means serendipity determines the "winner."


    Fortune favours the bold!

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Mon Jan 27 16:06:10 2025
    On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:20:44 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Fortune favours the bold!

    Adolf Hitler (20 April 1889 - 30 April 1945)

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Jan 28 10:32:27 2025
    On Mon, 27 Jan 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:20:44 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Fortune favours the bold!

    Adolf Hitler (20 April 1889 - 30 April 1945)

    Well, ok, maybe not him. But the rest!

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Jan 28 20:47:04 2025
    On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 16:06:10 -0600
    JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

    On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 22:20:44 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Fortune favours the bold!

    Adolf Hitler (20 April 1889 - 30 April 1945)


    Ever get the feeling we're on another 100 year cycle?

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to admin@127.0.0.1 on Tue Jan 28 20:41:37 2025
    On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 20:47:04 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
    <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    Fortune favours the bold!

    Adolf Hitler (20 April 1889 - 30 April 1945)

    Ever get the feeling we're on another 100 year cycle?

    Doomsday Clock Moves One Second Closer to Catastrophe

    The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists shifted the hands of the
    symbolic clock to 89 seconds to midnight, citing the threat of climate
    change, nuclear war and the misuse of artificial intelligence.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/28/us/doomsday-clock-2025.html

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Jan 29 14:55:40 2025
    On Tue, 28 Jan 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 20:47:04 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
    <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    Fortune favours the bold!

    Adolf Hitler (20 April 1889 - 30 April 1945)

    Ever get the feeling we're on another 100 year cycle?

    Doomsday Clock Moves One Second Closer to Catastrophe

    The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists shifted the hands of the
    symbolic clock to 89 seconds to midnight, citing the threat of climate change, nuclear war and the misuse of artificial intelligence.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/28/us/doomsday-clock-2025.html


    Hahaha... hilarious that the clowns still bother with their climate
    propaganda. All rational people have long since moved on from team Greta.

    Drill, baby, drill! =D

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 30 17:00:29 2025
    The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists shifted the hands of the
    symbolic clock to 89 seconds to midnight, citing the threat of climate
    change, nuclear war and the misuse of artificial intelligence.


    Hahaha... hilarious that the clowns still bother with their climate propaganda. All rational people have long since moved on from team Greta.

    Drill, baby, drill! =D


    clowns ... propaganda ... rational ... drill.

    Thank you for demonstrating the flaw in democracy.

    As for the doomsday clock, it's been within just a few seconds of
    midnight for so long, it has long since lost its relevancy as a
    communication device. And I see it now measures the impact of AI ...
    jeez, get over yourselves.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 30 11:35:48 2025
    On 30 Jan 2025 17:00:29 GMT, Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>
    wrote:

    As for the doomsday clock, it's been within just a few seconds of
    midnight for so long, it has long since lost its relevancy as a
    communication device.

    AI says otherwise

    AI Overview

    Yes, the Doomsday Clock is relevant because it's a reminder of the
    existential threats facing humanity. The clock's time is updated
    annually by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists to reflect how close
    the world is to a human-made global catastrophe.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Thu Jan 30 18:53:59 2025
    On Thu, 30 Jan 2025, Retrograde wrote:

    The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists shifted the hands of the
    symbolic clock to 89 seconds to midnight, citing the threat of climate
    change, nuclear war and the misuse of artificial intelligence.


    Hahaha... hilarious that the clowns still bother with their climate
    propaganda. All rational people have long since moved on from team Greta.

    Drill, baby, drill! =D


    clowns ... propaganda ... rational ... drill.

    Thank you for demonstrating the flaw in democracy.

    You're welcome! Q.E.D.

    As for the doomsday clock, it's been within just a few seconds of
    midnight for so long, it has long since lost its relevancy as a
    communication device. And I see it now measures the impact of AI ...
    jeez, get over yourselves.

    This is the truth!

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 30 13:09:52 2025
    On 30 Jan 2025 18:51:01 GMT, Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>
    wrote:

    Reminder that AI is simply a computer pattern matching effort that >regurgitates likely strings of words in a statistically common order.

    Also remember, opinions tend to reflect a person's awareness, group
    think, and/or political aspirations/motivations/rhetoric.


    Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

    They act in good faith....with a sincere assessment.

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Jan 30 18:51:01 2025
    On 2025-01-30, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:
    On 30 Jan 2025 17:00:29 GMT, Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>
    wrote:

    As for the doomsday clock, it's been within just a few seconds of
    midnight for so long, it has long since lost its relevancy as a >>communication device.

    AI says otherwise

    Reminder that AI is simply a computer pattern matching effort that
    regurgitates likely strings of words in a statistically common order.

    I ignore it, as should everyone.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Thu Jan 30 22:08:48 2025
    On Thu, 30 Jan 2025, Retrograde wrote:

    On 2025-01-30, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:
    On 30 Jan 2025 17:00:29 GMT, Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>
    wrote:

    As for the doomsday clock, it's been within just a few seconds of
    midnight for so long, it has long since lost its relevancy as a
    communication device.

    AI says otherwise

    Reminder that AI is simply a computer pattern matching effort that regurgitates likely strings of words in a statistically common order.

    I ignore it, as should everyone.


    You are a wise man!

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  • From Jukka Lahtinen@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Sat Feb 1 00:25:30 2025
    Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> writes:

    As for the doomsday clock, it's been within just a few seconds of
    midnight for so long, it has long since lost its relevancy as a
    communication device. And I see it now measures the impact of AI ...

    I miss the time when "two minutes to midnight" was considered alarming! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbRHY1l0vc

    --
    Jukka Lahtinen

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to jtfjdehf@hotmail.com.invalid on Fri Jan 31 18:32:51 2025
    On Sat, 01 Feb 2025 00:25:30 +0200, Jukka Lahtinen <jtfjdehf@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:

    I miss the time when "two minutes to midnight" was considered alarming!

    Coincidentally, the song, which fundamentally criticises the
    atomic-weapon-age - was released 39 years to the day after the first
    use of the atomic bomb, on 6th August 1945, at Hiroshima.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Minutes_to_Midnight

    The Clock's original setting in 1947 was 7 minutes to midnight. It has
    since been set backward 8 times and forward 18 times. The farthest
    time from midnight was 17 minutes in 1991, and the nearest is 89
    seconds, set in January 2025

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock

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