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  • "Beginning of the End" for Programmers

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 24 22:43:39 2025
    Mark Zuckerberg Announces the "Beginning of the End" for Programmers,
    and Other Companies Are Following in 2025

    The future of software development is undergoing a fundamental shift.
    Mark Zuckerberg has made a bold statement: in 2025, Meta will
    extensively utilize artificial intelligence (AI) for coding,
    significantly reducing the role of human programmers.

    This announcement aligns with a growing trend in Silicon Valley, where
    major technology companies are increasingly considering replacing
    human developers with AI-driven solutions.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/technology/mark-zuckerberg-announces-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-programmers-and-other-companies-are-following-in-2025/ar-AA1zFY1d

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Feb 25 11:08:14 2025
    On Mon, 24 Feb 2025, JAB wrote:

    Mark Zuckerberg Announces the "Beginning of the End" for Programmers,
    and Other Companies Are Following in 2025

    The future of software development is undergoing a fundamental shift.
    Mark Zuckerberg has made a bold statement: in 2025, Meta will
    extensively utilize artificial intelligence (AI) for coding,
    significantly reducing the role of human programmers.

    This announcement aligns with a growing trend in Silicon Valley, where
    major technology companies are increasingly considering replacing
    human developers with AI-driven solutions.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/technology/mark-zuckerberg-announces-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-programmers-and-other-companies-are-following-in-2025/ar-AA1zFY1d

    My thesis seems to be right. AI will make entry-level programmers
    redundant. Brilliant programmers will be able to do more. The mid-range
    will be split 50/50.

    The interesting question is... what will this do when it comes to making
    sure we have skilled programmers in the future?

    The young ones will not see it as an attractive profession, and if
    entry-level jobs disappear, there will be less opportunities to become an experienced programmer.

    In 10-15 years, there will be an enormous lack of programmers, and the profession will then advance again.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Tue Feb 25 07:07:58 2025
    On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 11:08:14 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    The interesting question is... what will this do when it comes to making
    sure we have skilled programmers in the future?

    Future economic pathways determine in which ways they are educated.

    In 10-15 years, there will be an enormous lack of programmers, and the >profession will then advance again.

    European blacksmiths were many, but how many today?

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Feb 25 22:28:10 2025
    On Tue, 25 Feb 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 11:08:14 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    The interesting question is... what will this do when it comes to making
    sure we have skilled programmers in the future?

    Future economic pathways determine in which ways they are educated.

    In 10-15 years, there will be an enormous lack of programmers, and the
    profession will then advance again.

    European blacksmiths were many, but how many today?


    Ah, but you have made a mistake! Programmers are not blacksmiths.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Tue Feb 25 16:40:34 2025
    On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 22:28:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    European blacksmiths were many, but how many today?


    Ah, but you have made a mistake! Programmers are not blacksmiths.

    Programmers are kind of like the blacksmiths of our time.

    I suppose this also applies to goldsmiths and silversmiths and the
    like. Basically, they are the people with a special skill set that
    make everything that society needs to wage war or maintain the
    economy.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/comments/28x7lg/programmers_are_kind_of_like_the_blacksmiths_of/

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  • From MummyChunk@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 25 21:58:39 2025
    JAB wrote:
    On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 11:08:14 +0100, D <nospam> wrote:


    The interesting question is... what will this do when it comes to making
    sure we have skilled programmers in the future?



    Future economic pathways determine in which ways they are educated.


    In 10-15 years, there will be an enormous lack of programmers, and the
    profession will then advance again.



    European blacksmiths were many, but how many today?




    I'm sure once Optimus goes live there will be as many as you can ask for. No need for a meat blacksmith a silicone one will do just as well.


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    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=684531153#684531153

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  • From Mike Spencer@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Feb 26 04:08:07 2025
    JAB <here@is.invalid> writes:

    On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 22:28:10 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    European blacksmiths were many, but how many today?

    Quite a few but most of them make ornamental forged ironwork
    (Kunstschmiede), not agricultural or mining hardware, horse- and oxshoes, nails, vehicle parts and all the other quotidian ferrous stuff.

    Ah, but you have made a mistake! Programmers are not blacksmiths.

    Programmers are kind of like the blacksmiths of our time.

    Intersting metaphor, especially considering I'm a blacksmith.
    I've made a lot of sculptural/ornamental stuff but in the 70s and 80s,
    I sis quite a lot of hardware for the (now dramatically declined)
    fishing industry. My shop was a 100 yards from the wharf.

    Oh, and I can program in C, Perl, Lisp too, but not as well as I can
    beat hot iron.

    I suppose this also applies to goldsmiths and silversmiths and the
    like.

    Nah. The blacksmith had to make all the hammers, punches, gravers,
    stakes, shears etc. that the the guys working in gold, silver and
    copper used.

    Basically, they are the people with a special skill set that
    make everything that society needs to wage war or maintain the
    economy.

    The coppersmiths made cookware of enormously varigated sorts.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/comments/28x7lg/programmers_are_kind_of_like_the_blacksmiths_of/


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    Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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