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    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 27 11:23:18 2025
    'The Americans are doing nothing': US abandons Australia over Chinese
    warship 'catastrophe'

    Australia was dealt a truly horrifying blow this week - and America's
    response has told us everything we really need to know.
    ...
    ...
    Of the three Chinese ships, the most worrisome is the Renhai-class
    Cruiser Zunyi, which can be equipped with nuclear-capable land-attack
    cruise missiles.

    From where the little "flotilla" was sitting a few days ago off
    Southern NSW, it could have hypothetically destroyed Canberra and
    Sydney in under an hour. Brisbane too in a little longer.
    ...
    ...
    Gunboat diplomacy

    One does not need to be so dramatic to be concerned. The main point
    being made by Beijing is as much political as it is military.

    That point is easy enough to read: do what we say or you will be
    destroyed. The manner of the message is also clear. Get out of the
    Taiwan Strait or we'll occupy the Tasman Strait.

    This is an age-old tactic of warfare known as "gunboat diplomacy".
    When you can sail missiles unmolested to within minutes of a competing
    nation's capital, there is not much need to fire them.
    ...
    ...
    A better idea is to get in ahead and sell ourselves to America today,
    before the price is discounted against Greenland in a moment of
    national crisis.

    God bless the 51st state.

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/the-americans-are-doing-nothing-us-abandons-australia-over-chinese-warship-catastrophe/news-story/3d199d2b24e817240520c9c13d5bda3c

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to adhellman1@gmail.com on Thu Feb 27 16:12:11 2025
    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025 16:02:33 -0500, Auric Hellman
    <adhellman1@gmail.com> wrote:

    I guess this means the ANZUS treaty has gone by the wayside.

    Article mentioned an airline pilot noticed, and reported these ships,
    but unknown if Intel was aware or not.

    I believe Donald has a beef with paying taxes, but its unclear if his
    intent is to stimulate US arms sales, weaken other nations, or what.

    It appears Europe may buy from within, not from US unless needed.

    So if America's global allies increase their expenditures, is Donald
    going to look the other way when an aggressor picks on one? His NATO
    rhetoric suggests he's not concerned (isolationism viewpoint).



    18 February 2025

    The Australia-United States alliance has been one of the most
    significant and enduring partnerships in international relations since
    the Second World War. Built on shared democratic values, strategic
    interests and deep historical ties, the alliance has evolved from
    wartime cooperation to a comprehensive security, economic and
    diplomatic partnership.
    ...
    The formalisation of the alliance came with the signing of the ANZUS
    Treaty in 1951, a tripartite agreement between Australia, New Zealand,
    and the United States. While initially designed to counter potential
    aggression in the Pacific, ANZUS became a cornerstone of Australia's
    foreign and defence policy throughout the Cold War.
    ...
    "US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth told NATO that Europe's security
    would no longer be America's No.1 priority. European nations had been freeloaders on America for too long. As sure as night follows day, a
    US administration will eventually say the same thing to Australia, but
    with more justification, and much more devastating consequences,"
    Sheridan added.

    https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/geopolitics-and-policy/15530-are-we-ready-to-hear-hard-truths-or-will-we-continue-burying-our-heads-in-the-sand

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to adhellman1@gmail.com on Thu Feb 27 21:25:39 2025
    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025 16:02:33 -0500, Auric Hellman
    <adhellman1@gmail.com> wrote:

    I guess this means the ANZUS treaty has gone by the wayside.
    Didn't even make headlines.

    The reporter asked Trump if he would be discussing Aukus with Starmer.

    Trump responded: "What does that mean?"

    The reporter prompted the president that he was referring to "Aukus -
    the Australia-US defence alliance".


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/28/donald-trump-aukus-what-does-that-mean-uk-australia-defence-deal

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to adhellman1@gmail.com on Fri Feb 28 10:33:18 2025
    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025 16:02:33 -0500, Auric Hellman
    <adhellman1@gmail.com> wrote:

    I guess this means the ANZUS treaty has gone by the wayside.

    Unknown what T-Borg's motive is, but his actions favor Russian's
    interests.

    From down under today: David Crowe is chief political correspondent
    for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age.
    ---------

    Trump has sent a wrecking ball through old alliances. The implications
    for Australia are severe
    ...
    ...
    The glow of Australia's alliance with the US fades by the day. If the
    United States president can turn his back on the NATO alliance with
    Europe and Canada - the foundation of Western security for seven
    decades - he is also capable of spurning the ANZUS security agreement
    and the AUKUS pact on nuclear-propelled submarines.

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/trump-has-sent-a-wrecking-ball-through-old-alliances-the-implications-for-australia-are-severe-20250226-p5lfdx.html

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Mar 2 12:02:35 2025
    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025, JAB wrote:

    'The Americans are doing nothing': US abandons Australia over Chinese
    warship 'catastrophe'

    Australia was dealt a truly horrifying blow this week - and America's response has told us everything we really need to know.
    ...
    ...
    Of the three Chinese ships, the most worrisome is the Renhai-class
    Cruiser Zunyi, which can be equipped with nuclear-capable land-attack
    cruise missiles.

    From where the little "flotilla" was sitting a few days ago off
    Southern NSW, it could have hypothetically destroyed Canberra and
    Sydney in under an hour. Brisbane too in a little longer.
    ...
    ...
    Gunboat diplomacy

    One does not need to be so dramatic to be concerned. The main point
    being made by Beijing is as much political as it is military.

    That point is easy enough to read: do what we say or you will be
    destroyed. The manner of the message is also clear. Get out of the
    Taiwan Strait or we'll occupy the Tasman Strait.

    This is an age-old tactic of warfare known as "gunboat diplomacy".
    When you can sail missiles unmolested to within minutes of a competing nation's capital, there is not much need to fire them.
    ...
    ...
    A better idea is to get in ahead and sell ourselves to America today,
    before the price is discounted against Greenland in a moment of
    national crisis.

    God bless the 51st state.

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/the-americans-are-doing-nothing-us-abandons-australia-over-chinese-warship-catastrophe/news-story/3d199d2b24e817240520c9c13d5bda3c

    China is the only opponent Donald fears. Sadly, what goes around, comes
    around. The rest of the world will not be so positively inclined towards
    the US in the future. =(

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Mar 2 12:05:42 2025
    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025 16:02:33 -0500, Auric Hellman
    <adhellman1@gmail.com> wrote:

    I guess this means the ANZUS treaty has gone by the wayside.

    Article mentioned an airline pilot noticed, and reported these ships,
    but unknown if Intel was aware or not.

    I believe Donald has a beef with paying taxes, but its unclear if his
    intent is to stimulate US arms sales, weaken other nations, or what.

    It appears Europe may buy from within, not from US unless needed.

    There is now a grass roots movement on the way in europe to buy european. This is not good for the US economy, if this grass roots movement grows. =/

    We must stand by our immortal leader in these trying times!

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