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  • Signal will withdraw from Sweden

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 27 11:06:50 2025
    Signal will withdraw from Sweden if encryption-busting laws take
    effect

    Experts warned the UK's recent 'victory' over Apple would kickstart
    something of a domino effect

    Signal CEO Meredith Whittaker says her company will withdraw from
    countries that force messaging providers to allow law enforcement
    officials to access encrypted user data, as Sweden continues to mull
    such plans.

    https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/26/signal_will_withdraw_from_sweden/

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Mar 2 12:01:34 2025
    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025, JAB wrote:

    Signal will withdraw from Sweden if encryption-busting laws take
    effect

    Experts warned the UK's recent 'victory' over Apple would kickstart
    something of a domino effect

    Signal CEO Meredith Whittaker says her company will withdraw from
    countries that force messaging providers to allow law enforcement
    officials to access encrypted user data, as Sweden continues to mull
    such plans.

    https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/26/signal_will_withdraw_from_sweden/


    There was no victory in the UK. The consumers of the UK will have less
    secure systems, and apple won't make it available there.

    As for sweden, it has been turned into a surveillance state. The police
    can freely tap phones and infect laptops with just suspicion of crime. No paperwork needed, and it can be filed afterwards.

    They also are increasing camera surveillance, and are allowing anonymous witnesses.

    This is just the latest in a serious of incompetent and ridiculous laws proposed.

    But sweden is socialist country in the best soviet example, so no one is surprised.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sun Mar 2 08:07:19 2025
    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 12:01:34 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    As for sweden, it has been turned into a surveillance state. The police
    can freely tap phones and infect laptops with just suspicion of crime. No >paperwork needed, and it can be filed afterwards.

    If for the "rule of law," a law abiding citizen should not complain.

    Years ago, law enforcement in US has examined bank transactions.
    Congressional laws determine how much latitude they have.

    USA PATRIOT Act, for instance, was a "law passed in 2001 to help the
    United States fight terrorism. It was signed into law by President
    George W. Bush." https://www.fincen.gov/resources/statutes-regulations/usa-patriot-act

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Mar 2 22:49:30 2025
    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 12:01:34 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    As for sweden, it has been turned into a surveillance state. The police
    can freely tap phones and infect laptops with just suspicion of crime. No
    paperwork needed, and it can be filed afterwards.

    If for the "rule of law," a law abiding citizen should not complain.

    If the law says to kill all jews? Should the law abiding citizen obey?
    Your statement is very stupid. I surely must misunderstand you.

    Personally, I do not recognize any states or any laws. I do what I want to
    do, as long as I can. Sometimes I take calculated risks with the law. Ultimately the state is a maffia backed by violence, no different than any other maffia back by violence.

    I only recognize states funded on the non-aggression principle and the sovereignty of every individual.

    Years ago, law enforcement in US has examined bank transactions. Congressional laws determine how much latitude they have.

    USA PATRIOT Act, for instance, was a "law passed in 2001 to help the
    United States fight terrorism. It was signed into law by President
    George W. Bush." https://www.fincen.gov/resources/statutes-regulations/usa-patriot-act


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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Sun Mar 2 18:50:11 2025
    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 22:49:30 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    If for the "rule of law," a law abiding citizen should not complain.

    If the law says to kill all jews? Should the law abiding citizen obey?
    Your statement is very stupid. I surely must misunderstand you.

    The rule of law was not defined, here one,

    "The rule of law is the foundation for healthy communities of justice, opportunity, and peace."

    Our Definition

    The idea of rule of law, traceable to ancient scholars, resonates in
    most major legal traditions. WJP's definition of rule of law is built
    around four universal principles, developed in accordance with
    internationally accepted standards and norms, in consultation with a
    wide variety of experts worldwide.

    https://worldjusticeproject.org/about-us/overview/what-rule-law

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Mar 3 22:09:34 2025
    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 22:49:30 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    If for the "rule of law," a law abiding citizen should not complain.

    If the law says to kill all jews? Should the law abiding citizen obey?
    Your statement is very stupid. I surely must misunderstand you.

    The rule of law was not defined, here one,

    "The rule of law is the foundation for healthy communities of justice, opportunity, and peace."

    Our Definition

    The idea of rule of law, traceable to ancient scholars, resonates in
    most major legal traditions. WJP's definition of rule of law is built
    around four universal principles, developed in accordance with internationally accepted standards and norms, in consultation with a
    wide variety of experts worldwide.

    https://worldjusticeproject.org/about-us/overview/what-rule-law

    Nonsense. If the law is not defined, rule of law can be despotic.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Mon Mar 3 16:17:05 2025
    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 22:09:34 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Nonsense. If the law is not defined, rule of law can be despotic.

    Do note what I initially stated...see quotation marks below?

    "If for the "rule of law," a law abiding citizen should not complain."

    What do they signify?
    ===

    Btw, your comment below suggests an opposition to those who say
    'resistance is futile' but yet, your cheerleading suggests submission.

    "Personally, I do not recognize any states or any laws."

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Mar 4 21:46:54 2025
    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 22:09:34 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Nonsense. If the law is not defined, rule of law can be despotic.

    Do note what I initially stated...see quotation marks below?

    "If for the "rule of law," a law abiding citizen should not complain."

    What do they signify?

    This is a correct statement.

    ===

    Btw, your comment below suggests an opposition to those who say
    'resistance is futile' but yet, your cheerleading suggests submission.

    "Personally, I do not recognize any states or any laws."

    This is the truth!

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