• so can we call this a genocide now?

    From Retrograde@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 16 21:34:00 2025
    Starvation in Gaza. Children without food. Bombing of all healthcare facilities. Blockade of any aid.

    This is a fucking genocide. Fuck anyone who says otherwise.

    I'd like to thank Israel for absolving the world of any guilt they ever
    felt for the genocide during WWII. Turns out, Israel is capable of
    doing the exact same fucking thing; they just don't build any ovens.

    Israel is committing genocide.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Sat May 17 13:28:31 2025
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 21:34:00 -0600, Retrograde
    <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Starvation in Gaza. Children without food. Bombing of all healthcare >facilities. Blockade of any aid.

    This is a fucking genocide. Fuck anyone who says otherwise.

    Are those other locations where food/healthcare are available?

    Different Topic, but in rural America, many young adults must move to
    a larger city to find employment. Hence, my question above.

    If they are trapped there, a different matter.

    Irish Potato Famine - Between 1845 and 1855, at least 2.1 million
    people left Ireland, primarily on packet ships but also on steamboats
    and barques--one of the greatest exoduses from a single island in
    history
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)>

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Sat May 17 21:24:22 2025
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 21:34:00 -0600, Retrograde
    <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Starvation in Gaza. Children without food. Bombing of all healthcare >facilities. Blockade of any aid.

    This is a fucking genocide. Fuck anyone who says otherwise.

    Hamas can raise the 'white flag' anytime; highly unlikely Hamas's
    leadership is suffering



    "The U.S. and Israel announced a plan to get aid back into Gaza, but
    there's no official timeline yet on when that plan would be rolled
    out. The program is an about-face from Israel's earlier policy to
    withhold aid to pressure Hamas to free Israeli hostages still being
    held in Gaza. Aid groups have strongly criticized the proposal."

    https://www.npr.org/2025/05/13/nx-s1-5395760/gaza-blockade-israel-starvation-war-un-report-trump-hamas

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to Auric Hellman on Sun May 18 00:01:21 2025
    On Sat, 17 May 2025 23:33:12 -0400
    Auric Hellman <adhellman1@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 5/17/2025 10:24 PM, JAB wrote:
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 21:34:00 -0600, Retrograde
    <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Starvation in Gaza. Children without food. Bombing of all healthcare
    facilities. Blockade of any aid.

    This is a fucking genocide. Fuck anyone who says otherwise.

    Hamas can raise the 'white flag' anytime; highly unlikely Hamas's leadership is suffering



    If Hamas were to surrender tomorrow, it wouldn't undo the genocide
    already perpetrated by Israel.

    Hamas is garbage and I 100% support Israel's right to hunt down Hamas
    and squish it like a cockroach. But that's not what they're doing.
    They're using the fight against Hamas as an excuse to eliminate the
    Palestinian people entirely, and it's heartbreaking and galling. And
    it's unjustified and inexcusable. It's genocide.

    It's astonishing to me how any mention of criticism is called
    antisemitism these days. This is genocide - let's call it by its
    name.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Sun May 18 06:36:57 2025
    On Sun, 18 May 2025 00:01:21 -0600, Retrograde
    <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    They're using the fight against Hamas as an excuse to eliminate the >Palestinian people entirely, and it's heartbreaking and galling.

    Palestinian people

    I believe it is to Israel's interest to have them in Gaza
    longitudinally.

    They're

    Do note that "we the people" in many countries do not "Stand By Your
    Man"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM-b8P1yj9w

    Palestinian people entirely

    Hamas can raise the 'white flag' anytime; highly unlikely Hamas's
    leadership is suffering.

    US/Russia have used "bombing/etc" as a means of persuasion. What is
    Putin doing in Ukraine....killing solders or civilians...taking out
    civilian infrastructure?

    Putin has objectives....

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to adhellman1@gmail.com on Sun May 18 06:43:16 2025
    On Sat, 17 May 2025 23:33:12 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <adhellman1@gmail.com> wrote:

    If Hamas were to surrender tomorrow, it wouldn't undo the genocide
    already perpetrated by Israel.

    Hamas would agree, but it's all their fault to begin with.

    genocide

    I'm not aware of Israel's intent of such a deed; Hamas has indicated
    this is their focus.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Sun May 18 11:08:20 2025
    On Sun, 18 May 2025 00:01:21 -0600, Retrograde
    <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    It's genocide

    Israel's intentions were known, so the "genocide" is on Hamas's
    leadership.

    Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Japan's leadership finally
    got the message, and Japan announced its surrender to the Allies on 15 August...

    Finger of blame is on Hamas's leadership, who have not surrendered.

    Your comment suggests US was commiting a genocide on the Japanese,
    which was not their focus.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to adhellman1@gmail.com on Sun May 18 20:46:08 2025
    On Sun, 18 May 2025 15:43:05 -0400, Auric Hellman
    <adhellman1@gmail.com> wrote:

    "Antisemitism"

    The Trump administration's use of anti-semitism to attack immigrants
    and higher education mirrors plans by a group of Christian
    nationalists in the Heritage Foundation (which produced Project 2025).

    https://bsky.app/profile/donmoyn.bsky.social/post/3lph2ppywck2j

    The Group Behind Project 2025 Has a Plan to Crush the Pro-Palestinian
    Movement

    Even before President Trump was re-elected, the Heritage Foundation,
    best known for Project 2025, set out to destroy pro-Palestinian
    activism in the United States.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/18/us/project-esther-heritage-foundation-palestine.html

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Sun May 18 21:07:11 2025
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 21:34:00 -0600, Retrograde
    <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Israel is committing genocide.

    "Project Esther changed the paradigm by associating anyone who opposes
    Israeli policies with the 'Hamas Support Network,'" said Jonathan
    Jacoby, the national director of the Nexus Project, a watchdog group
    that works to combat antisemitism and protect open debate. "It's no
    longer about ideology or politics; it's about terrorism and threats to
    American national security."
    ...
    ...
    An open letter from three dozen former leaders of major Jewish
    establishment groups, including a former national chair of the
    Anti-Defamation League, recently warned that "a range of actors are
    using a purported concern about Jewish safety as a cudgel to weaken
    higher education, due process, checks and balances, freedom of speech
    and the press." It called on Jewish leaders and institutions "to
    resist the exploitation of Jewish fears and publicly join with other organizations that are battling to preserve the guardrails of
    democracy."
    ...
    Project Esther's architects envisioned outcomes that at the time might
    have seemed far-fetched. Curriculum it believed to be sympathetic to a
    "Hamas support" narrative would be taken out of schools and
    universities, and "supporting faculty" would be removed. Social media
    would be purged of content deemed to be antisemitic. Institutions
    would lose public funding. Foreign students who pushed for Palestinian
    rights would have their visas revoked, or be deported.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/18/us/project-esther-heritage-foundation-palestine.html

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