• Re: Freeform

    From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Feb 19 16:55:38 2023
    On 2023-02-19, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    Apple snuck a new app onto the iPhone / iPad in the 16.2 update.

    I didn't even notice it until today !

    If there was a banner announcing it I certainly missed it.

    Nice app - possible use with a client with some shared docs - TBD - will bring it up this week.

    Would be nice if it were also on Mac OS.

    It was announced during WWDC 2022, IIRC. And Apple announced it on their website:

    <https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/12/apple-launches-freeform-a-powerful-new-app-designed-for-creative-collaboration/>

    It's available for macOS as well as iOS and iPadOS.

    I haven't had a chance to look at it yet, but it looks promising.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to heron stone on Sun Feb 19 11:58:18 2023
    On 2023-02-19 11:47, heron stone wrote:
    On Feb 19, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
    (in article <Y0sIL.1010346$iU59.253514@fx14.iad>):


    Apple snuck a new app onto the iPhone / iPad in the 16.2 update.

    I didn't even notice it until today !

    If there was a banner announcing it I certainly missed it.

    Nice app - possible use with a client with some shared docs - TBD - will
    bring it up this week.

    Would be nice if it were also on Mac OS.

    it IS on macOS

    So it is. Just not mine. Stuck at 10.14 here for a couple reasons.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sun Feb 19 12:10:07 2023
    On 2023-02-19 11:55, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-02-19, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    Apple snuck a new app onto the iPhone / iPad in the 16.2 update.

    I didn't even notice it until today !

    If there was a banner announcing it I certainly missed it.

    Nice app - possible use with a client with some shared docs - TBD - will
    bring it up this week.

    Would be nice if it were also on Mac OS.

    It was announced during WWDC 2022, IIRC. And Apple announced it on their website:

    <https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/12/apple-launches-freeform-a-powerful-new-app-designed-for-creative-collaboration/>

    I don't watch those events much beyond what I'm looking for at the time.
    ie: when I'm looking to buy a phone, then I'll watch those
    announcements otherwise skip the section (I rarely watch these events
    "live").
    Nor do I patrol the Apple pages much (more recently the Mac pages
    waiting for the next iMac v.).

    It's available for macOS as well as iOS and iPadOS.

    Yeah - caught up to that...

    I haven't had a chance to look at it yet, but it looks promising.

    Indeed.


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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 19 11:22:15 2023
    Apple snuck a new app onto the iPhone / iPad in the 16.2 update.

    I didn't even notice it until today !

    If there was a banner announcing it I certainly missed it.

    Nice app - possible use with a client with some shared docs - TBD - will
    bring it up this week.

    Would be nice if it were also on Mac OS.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From heron stone@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Feb 19 08:47:44 2023
    On Feb 19, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
    (in article <Y0sIL.1010346$iU59.253514@fx14.iad>):


    Apple snuck a new app onto the iPhone / iPad in the 16.2 update.

    I didn't even notice it until today !

    If there was a banner announcing it I certainly missed it.

    Nice app - possible use with a client with some shared docs - TBD - will bring it up this week.

    Would be nice if it were also on Mac OS.

    it IS on macOS

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Feb 19 21:23:34 2023
    On 2023-02-19, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-02-19 11:47, heron stone wrote:
    On Feb 19, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
    (in article <Y0sIL.1010346$iU59.253514@fx14.iad>):

    Apple snuck a new app onto the iPhone / iPad in the 16.2 update.

    I didn't even notice it until today !

    If there was a banner announcing it I certainly missed it.

    Nice app - possible use with a client with some shared docs - TBD -
    will bring it up this week.

    Would be nice if it were also on Mac OS.

    it IS on macOS

    So it is. Just not mine. Stuck at 10.14 here for a couple reasons.

    Same here. It'll be some time before I upgrade to Ventura on most of my
    Macs at home.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sun Feb 19 18:15:51 2023
    On 2023-02-19 16:23, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-02-19, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-02-19 11:47, heron stone wrote:
    On Feb 19, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
    (in article <Y0sIL.1010346$iU59.253514@fx14.iad>):

    Apple snuck a new app onto the iPhone / iPad in the 16.2 update.

    I didn't even notice it until today !

    If there was a banner announcing it I certainly missed it.

    Nice app - possible use with a client with some shared docs - TBD -
    will bring it up this week.

    Would be nice if it were also on Mac OS.

    it IS on macOS

    So it is. Just not mine. Stuck at 10.14 here for a couple reasons.

    Same here. It'll be some time before I upgrade to Ventura on most of my
    Macs at home.

    My SO is up to date (M1 MBA) - but not her iPhone (7).

    If Apple could get the lead out on the next iMac please!

    Only need that and to replace my SO's iPhone 7 to bring the household up
    to date-ish.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Feb 19 23:37:13 2023
    On 2023-02-19, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    Apple snuck a new app onto the iPhone / iPad in the 16.2 update.

    I didn't even notice it until today !

    If there was a banner announcing it I certainly missed it.

    Nice app - possible use with a client with some shared docs - TBD - will bring it up this week.

    Would be nice if it were also on Mac OS.


    Thanks for the heads-up! My wife's a quilter, and the app will prove
    most useful in her designs. She has used a third party app until now.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Mon Feb 20 00:46:45 2023
    Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2023-02-19, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    Apple snuck a new app onto the iPhone / iPad in the 16.2 update.

    I didn't even notice it until today !

    If there was a banner announcing it I certainly missed it.

    Nice app - possible use with a client with some shared docs - TBD - will bring it up this week.

    Would be nice if it were also on Mac OS.

    Thanks for the heads-up! My wife's a quilter, and the app will prove
    most useful in her designs. She has used a third party app until now.

    What was that third party app?
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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Ant on Mon Feb 20 01:30:59 2023
    On 2023-02-20, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    What was that third party app?


    Procreate. It only works on iPads and iPhones. She has just glanced at Freeform, so we'll see.

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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Feb 19 10:35:19 2023
    On 2023/02/19 5:58 pm, Alan Browne wrote:


    it IS on macOS

    So it is. Just not mine. Stuck at 10.14 here for a couple reasons.

    You'd better upgrade to 13 because it's the only release with full patches.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to John Robertson on Mon Feb 20 03:40:14 2023
    On 2023-02-19, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> wrote:
    On 2023/02/19 5:58 pm, Alan Browne wrote:

    it IS on macOS

    So it is. Just not mine. Stuck at 10.14 here for a couple reasons.

    You'd better upgrade to 13 because it's the only release with full patches.

    Which specific patches are supposedly "missing" according to you,
    trollboi?

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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sun Feb 19 21:34:22 2023
    On 2023/02/20 3:40 am, Jolly Roger wrote:

    You'd better upgrade to 13 because it's the only release with full patches.

    Which specific patches are supposedly "missing" according to you,
    trollboi?

    Almost all of them. Have you not read any Apple news lately?

    Apple widely published they are not completely patching anything but 13.
    Which is why I provided the friendly useful upgrade to 13 or else warning.

    Do you need me to look up that news for you or are you capable of doing it?

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to John Robertson on Wed Feb 22 04:03:37 2023
    On 2023-02-20, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> wrote:
    On 2023/02/20 3:40 am, Jolly Roger wrote:

    You'd better upgrade to 13 because it's the only release with full
    patches.

    Which specific patches are supposedly "missing" according to you,
    trollboi?

    Almost all of them.

    So you can't name one, as expected. Your trolls are weak.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to John Robertson on Tue Feb 21 22:21:02 2023
    On 2023-02-19 20:34, John Robertson wrote:
    On 2023/02/20 3:40 am, Jolly Roger wrote:

    You'd better upgrade to 13 because it's the only release with full
    patches.

    Which specific patches are supposedly "missing" according to you,
    trollboi?

    Almost all of them. Have you not read any Apple news lately?

    "Almost all of them" is a dodge.


    Apple widely published they are not completely patching anything but 13. Which is why I provided the friendly useful upgrade to 13 or else warning.

    Do you need me to look up that news for you or are you capable of doing it?

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  • From Jim S@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 22 08:31:05 2023
    In article <news:k5ligpF7jnjU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> says...

    On 2023-02-20, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> wrote:
    On 2023/02/20 3:40 am, Jolly Roger wrote:

    You'd better upgrade to 13 because it's the only release with full
    patches.

    Which specific patches are supposedly "missing" according to you,
    trollboi?

    Almost all of them.

    So you can't name one, as expected.

    UPGRADE TO GET YOUR UPDATES
    Apple clarifies security update policy: Only the latest OS is fully patched
    New document confirms what most security researchers have known for years. ANDREW CUNNINGHAM - 10/27/2022, 10:18 AM

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/
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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Jim S on Wed Feb 22 15:50:57 2023
    On 2023-02-22, Jim S <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <news:k5ligpF7jnjU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
    <jollyroger@pobox.com> says...
    On 2023-02-20, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> wrote:
    On 2023/02/20 3:40 am, Jolly Roger wrote:

    You'd better upgrade to 13 because it's the only release with full
    patches.

    Which specific patches are supposedly "missing" according to you,
    trollboi?

    Almost all of them.

    So you can't name one, as expected.

    UPGRADE TO GET YOUR UPDATES Apple clarifies security update policy:
    Only the latest OS is fully patched New document confirms what most
    security researchers have known for years. ANDREW CUNNINGHAM -
    10/27/2022, 10:18 AM

    Still can't name just one, as expected. Your trolls are weak.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Feb 22 15:52:10 2023
    On 2023-02-22, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-02-19 20:34, John Robertson wrote:
    On 2023/02/20 3:40 am, Jolly Roger wrote:

    You'd better upgrade to 13 because it's the only release with full
    patches.

    Which specific patches are supposedly "missing" according to you,
    trollboi?

    Almost all of them. Have you not read any Apple news lately?

    "Almost all of them" is a dodge.

    It's worse: He can't name just one, which is especially pathetic
    considering "name just one" is one of his absolute favorite catch
    phrases.

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  • From Jim S@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 22 17:08:08 2023
    In article <news:k5ms1aFdmmiU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> says...

    He can't...

    You're right.
    You win.

    You've convinced me that, *to you*, an idiot, the earth is flat.
    Not only is the earth flat *to you*, an idiot, but it always was flat.
    And the earth always will be flat *to you*, an idiot.

    No matter what Apple says about their release policy being what it is. https://support.apple.com/guide/depoyment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/

    Nobody can disabuse you of that notion that the earth is, *to you*, flat.

    I will agree with you that the earth is flat since you insist on me proving
    to you, an idiot, that the earth is not flat, and I don't have the time. https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases

    Nobody can prove *to you*, an idiot, that the earth is not flat.
    Not even Apple.

    It wouldn't matter *to you* how many articles tell you the earth is round. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/

    It's impossible *for you*, an idiot, to learn anything, even from Apple. https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/
    "Apple's own support document notes that only the latest release
    provides full protection from security vulnerabilities"

    If you respond again that I haven't proved *to you* that the earth is
    round, and if you repeat that, *to you*, the earth certainly feels flat *to you* and if I am to ten tell you it's round, then I need to prove *to you*,
    an idiot, that the earth is not flat.

    If I don't respond to your idiocy, it's because I've assessed that it's
    going to be impossible to prove *to you* that the earth is not flat no
    matter how much you insist I prove *to you* that the earth is flat.
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  • From Jim S@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 22 17:05:01 2023
    In article <news:k5mrv1FdmmiU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> says...

    Still can't name just one, as expected.

    You win. You've convinced me you believe the earth is flat.
    Nobody can disabuse you of that notion that the earth is, *to you*, flat.

    I will agree with you that the earth is flat since you insist on me proving
    to you, an idiot, that the earth is not flat, and I don't have the time. https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases

    Nobody can prove *to you*, an idiot, that the earth is not flat.

    Not even Apple. https://support.apple.com/guide/depoyment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/web

    It wouldn't matter *to you* how many articles tell you the earth is round. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/

    It's impossible *for you*, an idiot, to learn anything, even from Apple. https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/
    "Apple's own support document notes that only the latest release
    provides full protection from security vulnerabilities"

    If you respond again that I haven't proved *to you* that the earth is
    round, and if you repeat that, *to you*, the earth certainly feels flat *to you* and if I am to ten tell you it's round, then I need to prove *to you*,
    an idiot, that the earth is not flat.

    If I don't respond to your idiocy, it's because I've assessed that it's
    going to be impossible to prove *to you* that the earth is not flat no
    matter how much you insist I prove *to you* that the earth is flat.
    --
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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Jim S on Wed Feb 22 20:14:59 2023
    On 2023-02-22, Jim S <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <news:k5mrv1FdmmiU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
    <jollyroger@pobox.com> says...

    Still can't name just one, as expected.

    You win.

    Yes, despite "name just one" being your absolute *favorite* catch
    phrase, you are unable to do just that here. You can't name a specific
    security vulnerability that isn't patched in the previous version of
    iOS, iPadOS, or macOS running on Apple devices but was applied to the
    current version. As usual, your lame, little troll has *failed*. You're
    a pathetic know-nothing troll, Arlen.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Jim S on Wed Feb 22 20:16:18 2023
    On 2023-02-22, Jim S <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <news:k5ms1aFdmmiU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
    <jollyroger@pobox.com> says...

    He can't...

    You're right.

    I know.

    You win.

    Yep. And all I had to do was demand you provide just one specific
    instance, which you failed to do. Your lame, little trolls are easily
    debunked, Arlen. : )

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  • From Jim S@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 22 20:54:15 2023
    In article <news:k5nbghFg1ojU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> says...

    And all I had to do was demand you provide just one specific
    instance

    Do you really want just one?
    There are so many.
    Why just one?

    Here it is though.
    Since you asked for it.

    https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2023/02/14/apple-releases-security-updates-multiple-products
    Attackers took control of Apple devices visiting a malicious web site.
    For Safari 16.3.1 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213638
    iOS 16.3.1 and iPadOS 16.3.1 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213635
    macOS 13.2.1 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213633

    That's patched *ONLY* in a single fully supported iOS & macOS release.

    You are so stupid you didn't even realize that zero day bug existed!
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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Jim S on Wed Feb 22 22:35:53 2023
    On 2023-02-22, Jim S <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <news:k5nbe3Fg1ojU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
    <jollyroger@pobox.com> says...

    You can't name a specific security vulnerability that isn't patched
    in the previous version of iOS, iPadOS, or macOS running on Apple
    devices but was applied to the current version.

    Are you really that stupid? And ignorant? Both at the same time.

    Projection.

    Are you serious that you're that stupid that you can't find even one?
    There are so many unpatched holes, I'm surprised you only want one.

    Here it is though.
    https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2023/02/14/apple-releases-security-updates-multiple-products
    Attackers took control of Apple devices visiting a malicious web site.
    For Safari 16.3.1 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213638
    iOS 16.3.1 and iPadOS 16.3.1 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213635
    macOS 13.2.1 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213633

    That's patched *ONLY* in a single fully supported iOS & macOS release.
    Worse, you're so uninformed you didn't even know that zero day existed!

    Projection. You are so stupid and ignorant that you didn't even know
    that this vulnerability only affects the latest version of webkit on the
    iPhone 8 and later, iPad Pro (all models), iPad Air 3rd generation and
    later, iPad 5th generation and later, iPad mini 5th generation and
    later, and Macs running macOS Ventura, which means there the
    vulnerability doesn't even exist on older versions!

    <https://securityaffairs.com/142200/hacking/apple-zero-day-iphones-macs.html> ---
    The flaw impacts iPhone 8 and later, iPad Pro (all models), iPad Air 3rd generation and later, iPad 5th generation and later, iPad mini 5th
    generation and later, and Macs running macOS Ventura.

    Apple addressed the CVE-2023-23529 flaw with the release of iOS 16.3.1,
    iPadOS 16.3.1, and macOS Ventura 13.2.1.
    ---

    You are an *idiot*, Arlen. And your weak trolls are easily debunked. : )

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Jim S on Wed Feb 22 22:32:37 2023
    On 2023-02-22, Jim S <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <news:k5nbghFg1ojU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
    <jollyroger@pobox.com> says...

    And all I had to do was demand you provide just one specific
    instance

    Do you really want just one?

    Can you name just one?

    Here it is though.
    Since you asked for it.

    https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2023/02/14/apple-releases-security-updates-multiple-products
    Attackers took control of Apple devices visiting a malicious web site.
    For Safari 16.3.1 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213638
    iOS 16.3.1 and iPadOS 16.3.1 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213635
    macOS 13.2.1 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213633

    That's patched *ONLY* in a single fully supported iOS & macOS release.

    What you dishonestly omitted is that this vulnerability doesn't even
    exist in older versions, so there's nothing to patch:

    <https://securityaffairs.com/142200/hacking/apple-zero-day-iphones-macs.html> ---
    The flaw impacts iPhone 8 and later, iPad Pro (all models), iPad Air
    3rd generation and later, iPad 5th generation and later, iPad mini 5th generation and later, and Macs running macOS Ventura.
    ---

    If you are going to claim that this vulnerability supposedly exists in
    older versions of iOS, iPadOS, and macOS, you're going to have to
    provide evidence of that claim. (And we already know you won't, because
    you can't, because no such evidence exists.)

    You are so stupid

    Projection from a know-nothing troll, as usual. You *still* have not
    been able to name just one. Your trolls are weak and easily debunked,
    Arlen. You're just a big pile of failure. : )

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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Feb 21 23:37:50 2023
    On 2023/02/22 6:21 am, Alan wrote:


    Almost all of them. Have you not read any Apple news lately?

    "Almost all of them" is a dodge.

    Not when the latest release gets around a score of fixes while the older
    one gets only a handful of those, which you don't seem to understand.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to John Robertson on Fri Feb 24 03:15:39 2023
    On 2023-02-22, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> wrote:
    On 2023/02/22 6:21 am, Alan wrote:

    Almost all of them. Have you not read any Apple news lately?

    "Almost all of them" is a dodge.

    Not when the latest release gets around a score of fixes while the
    older one gets only a handful of those, which you don't seem to
    understand.

    It is actually John who doesn't understand: sometimes security
    vulnerabilities don't exist in older versions of software. Since he's
    not a professional software developer, he could be excused - except for
    the fact that the whole reason he brings this up at all is because he is trolling in the first place.

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