In article <xn0nytvh2ap2h1003@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

It's not like they can actually simulate real-world
conditions and do the amount of comprehensive testing necessary to
work out the bugs.

what makes you say that? they have enormous resources to do all sorts
of testing.

part of that includes employees using pre-release phones all over the
san francisco bay area and well beyond it.

put it in an iphone 14 body and nobody outside of the people carrying
it will know, possibly even them too.

Car manufacturers also have enormous resources, but most often a new
design has many bugs the first couple years.

not as much as apple, who has enough net cash to buy ford, general
motors or honda.

also, designing a new car is more complicated than a single component
in said car.

Something as sensitive to
environmental conditions as a modem can't be tested in San Francisco
only. It needs a very wide and long test bed.

yep, which is why it's tested in more than just san francisco.

it's pretty much guaranteed that the modems, which they've been working
on for many years, are currently in employee iphones and ipads that are
being used over the world right now, possibly in other devices too.

and i think the team who's working on it is based in san diego, not
that it changes much.

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nospam wrote:

In article <xn0nytutr9wfr5002@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

What are the chances Apple's first generation 5G modems will have
lots of problems?

nothing is perfect, but given their success with apple silicon, it's
low.

It's not like they can actually simulate real-world
conditions and do the amount of comprehensive testing necessary to
work out the bugs.

what makes you say that? they have enormous resources to do all sorts
of testing.

part of that includes employees using pre-release phones all over the
san francisco bay area and well beyond it.

put it in an iphone 14 body and nobody outside of the people carrying
it will know, possibly even them too.

Car manufacturers also have enormous resources, but most often a new
design has many bugs the first couple years. Something as sensitive to environmental conditions as a modem can't be tested in San Francisco
only. It needs a very wide and long test bed.

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nospam wrote:

Car manufacturers also have enormous resources, but most often a new
design has many bugs the first couple years.

not as much as apple, who has enough net cash to buy ford, general
motors or honda.

Thank God Apple has so much money. That must be why Apple's first
generation Maps app was so much better than the existing Google app.

Something as sensitive to
environmental conditions as a modem can't be tested in San Francisco
only. It needs a very wide and long test bed.

yep, which is why it's tested in more than just san francisco.

Yeah. And that's why (secret) throttling never needed to be done world
wide, because Apple tested out the iPhone power delivery system so well.

and i think the team who's working on it is based in san diego, not
that it changes much.

This is the only thing you said that makes any objective sense, nospam.

The main thing it "changes" is they can steal from Qualcomm's ranks (IMHO).

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In article <tto7jq$1jfgg$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

Thank God Apple has so much money. That must be why Apple's first
generation Maps app was so much better than the existing Google app.

that was a very different situation.

google refused to continue licensing their maps to apple, thereby
forcing apple to release their own maps when they did. apple did not
have the luxury of waiting until all of the issues were resolved.
*something* had to ship.

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In article <ttoccp$1jvur$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

Thank God Apple has so much money. That must be why Apple's first
generation Maps app was so much better than the existing Google app.

that was a very different situation.

What? Apple didn't have so much money back then, nospam?

correct, they did not.

apple's market cap is currently ~$2.3 trillion, peaking at $3 trillion
last year. in 2011 it was $377b.

that's ~16% of what it is now, or about one sixth the value, and about
one eighth from its peak.

google refused to continue licensing their maps to apple, thereby
forcing apple to release their own maps when they did.

Didn't Apple fire the leader of the Maps group for incompetence just a very short time _after_ the highly touted well marketed typical Apple rollout?

they did.

google's actions were several years prior.

do try to keep up rather than dig yourself an even deeper hole.

apple did not
have the luxury of waiting until all of the issues were resolved.

What's different with the modem where Apple already slipped their
"predicted" schedules numerous times (according to Kuo anyway)?

quite a lot is different, and 'predicted' is meaningless because the
schedules are not public. he's guessing.

If psychological counseling was all that was needed, I wouldn't be so insecure.

ftfy

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nospam wrote:

In article <tto7jq$1jfgg$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

Thank God Apple has so much money. That must be why Apple's first
generation Maps app was so much better than the existing Google app.

that was a very different situation.

What? Apple didn't have so much money back then, nospam?

google refused to continue licensing their maps to apple, thereby
forcing apple to release their own maps when they did.

Didn't Apple fire the leader of the Maps group for incompetence just a very short time _after_ the highly touted well marketed typical Apple rollout?

apple did not
have the luxury of waiting until all of the issues were resolved.

What's different with the modem where Apple already slipped their
"predicted" schedules numerous times (according to Kuo anyway)?

*something* had to ship.

You forget all that highly touted marketing bullshit, exactly like the
"Apple Silicon" bullshit for the unpatchably permanently flawed M1, nospam.

My point, nospam, if you are an adult who can comprehend that point, is
that oodles of money alone does not make a MARKETING company into a DESIGN house.

Just look at the huge failures in almost every SOC design Apple ever did
(where you can defined "design" any way you want no matter who fabs it).

Case in point:
Why is Apple's iOS the _worst_ of all smartphone OS's nospam, in terms
of zero-day holes that Apple doesn't even bother to look for?

If money was all that was needed, the iPhone wouldn't be so insecure.
--
This has been an attempt of an adult conversation with an iKook who
believes that only money is needed to have design a 5G modem and nothing
else.

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nospam wrote:

do try to keep up rather than dig yourself an even deeper hole.

I will respond with the astute _adult_ point that I am making about your
claim that money alone buys quality for a MARKETING outfit like Apple.

Apple has _never_ made a best-in-class app, nospam, let alone an IC.
Apple Maps is a classic case of where Apple took years to catch up.

Just like CocaCola/Pepsi are MARKETING powerhouses, Apple's ooodles of
money doesn't mean that Apple can design a competitive 5G modem, nospam.

In fact, you can't find a _single_ best-in-class SOC that Apple has ever
had fabricated under their name, nospam, and certainly no modem ICs.

The only thing Apple does well is MARKETING (like CocaCola/Pepsi does).
Apple is the best there is... in marketing what amounts to sugar water.

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In article <ttoimr$1kl4b$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

I will respond with the astute _adult_ point that I am making about your claim that money alone buys quality for a MARKETING outfit like Apple.

nobody ever made such a claim.

so much for trying to be an adult. recess is over.

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