• Re: Compiling Unix Apps to run on M1 Macs

    From sms@21:1/5 to Ed Norton on Mon Mar 20 13:26:17 2023
    On 3/20/2023 11:02 AM, Ed Norton wrote:

    <snip>

    Good to know. Thanks, guys. I wondered because apparently you can't
    boot a Linux Distro or emulate one from what I have read.

    It's coming. It's actually here, but the final release has not happened
    yet. See <https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/21/m1-mac-linux/>.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Alan B on Tue Mar 21 08:50:39 2023
    On 3/21/2023 12:07 AM, Alan B wrote:

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    You can run an emulated version of Alpine on iOS and iPadOS with the iSH Shell available on the App Store. I haven’t done much with it so don’t ask
    me for any tips!

    <https://github.com/ish-app/ish>

    People have installed emulated Linux and emulated Windows on iOS and
    iPadOS devices, though it's not to do actual work, it's just to see if
    they could do it. Apparently someone was able to actually install Linux,
    not emulated, on an iPad.

    Incidentally I’ve found that installing and running Linux ‘native’ on Intel
    Macs is very easy - currently using openSUSE Leap Installed on an external SSD.

    I've done a triple boot of MacOS, Windows, and Linux. I used to see this
    kind of thing a lot on Macbooks used by engineering geeks where they had
    to run applications that were Windows only but also wanted to run Linux
    for programming. They rarely ran MacOS, they just liked the Apple
    hardware better than most of the Windows laptops at the time. With the
    M1 based Macs of course this is no longer possible, but there are now
    some high-quality Windows laptops available, albeit.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Tue Mar 21 12:14:16 2023
    In article <tvcjoh$5sj2$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    People have installed emulated Linux and emulated Windows on iOS and
    iPadOS devices, though it's not to do actual work, it's just to see if
    they could do it.

    that is correct.

    Apparently someone was able to actually install Linux,
    not emulated, on an iPad.

    by your own metric, the fact that it exists at all indicates there is a
    'high demand' for it.


    They rarely ran MacOS, they just liked the Apple
    hardware better than most of the Windows laptops at the time. With the
    M1 based Macs of course this is no longer possible,

    of course, you are wrong yet again.

    yes it is possible.

    currently, windows works quite well on apple silicon macs in a virtual
    machine. it will be bootable soon (which offers very little advantage
    over virtualization).

    but there are now
    some high-quality Windows laptops available, albeit.

    there are, however, they cost more and do not have anywhere near the
    battery life and performance of a macbook air or pro.

    one major problem is that intel-based laptops must throttle when on
    battery power, greatly limiting its capabilities, whereas apple silicon
    does not have that problem and provides full performance on *both*
    battery *and* mains power.

    and sometimes both battery life and performance isn't great: <https://www.theverge.com/23630381/dell-latitude-7330-review-design-spec s-price-features>
    For one, I only averaged three hours and 35 minutes of battery life,
    which would be a big problem even if everything else about this
    device was incredible. But even while on power, I could feel the
    thing chugging toward the higher end of my workload. For example,
    while I was operating a second screen over Thunderbolt, loading some
    files from external drives, running a few downloads, and trying to
    work over that in 20-ish Chrome tabs, the Latitude had visible
    slowdown. I don't see this as an unrealistic office workload, so
    that's concerning.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Alan B on Tue Mar 21 15:13:20 2023
    On 3/21/2023 12:07 AM, Alan B wrote:

    <snip>

    You can run an emulated version of Alpine on iOS and iPadOS with the iSH Shell available on the App Store. I haven’t done much with it so don’t ask
    me for any tips!

    If you jailbreak then you can actually run a Linux distro. See <https://docs.getutm.app/installation/ios/>

    --
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    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
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    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to sms on Tue Mar 21 23:08:25 2023
    On 2023-03-21, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    On 3/21/2023 12:07 AM, Alan B wrote:

    <snip>

    You can run an emulated version of Alpine on iOS and iPadOS with the
    iSH Shell available on the App Store. I haven’t done much with it so
    don’t ask me for any tips!

    If you jailbreak then you can actually run a Linux distro.

    Not much need for that since iOS actual Unix (the real thing). If you've
    jail broken the device, you have full access to the core operating
    system.

    But you can run Linux without jail breaking, which is *much* better for
    your security and privacy.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to jollyroger@pobox.com on Tue Mar 21 19:15:02 2023
    In article <k7urn9Fi7nnU4@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    On 2023-03-21, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    If you jailbreak then you can actually run a Linux distro.

    Not much need for that since iOS actual Unix (the real thing). If you've
    jail broken the device, you have full access to the core operating
    system.

    and even without jailbreak, there's a *lot* that can be done at the
    unix level.

    But you can run Linux without jail breaking, which is *much* better for
    your security and privacy.

    he doesn't care about actual facts.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Tue Mar 21 18:19:02 2023
    In article <tvda61$9lsj$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    If you jailbreak then you can actually run a Linux distro.

    true, however, it's possible to do so without jailbreaking.

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