• EIGHTEEN new zero-day vulnerabilities found in Samsung Exynos chipsets

    From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 23 17:09:26 2023
    The resident Apple-hating trolls here who so often refer to Apple
    zero-day vulnerabilities definitely won't like reading this:

    Google finds 18 zero-day vulnerabilities in Samsung Exynos chipsets <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/google-finds-18-zero-day-vulnerabilities-in-samsung-exynos-chipsets/>
    ---
    Project Zero, Google's zero-day bug-hunting team, discovered and
    reported *18* zero-day vulnerabilities in Samsung’s Exynos chipsets used
    in *mobile* devices, *wearables*, and *cars*.

    The Exynos modem security flaws were reported between late 2022 and
    early 2023. Four of the eighteen zero-days were identified as the most
    serious, enabling *remote* *code* *execution* from the *Internet* to the *baseband*.

    These Internet-to-baseband remote code execution (RCE) bugs (including CVE-2023-24033 and three others still waiting for a CVE-ID) allow
    attackers to compromise vulnerable devices *remotely* and *without* any
    user interaction.

    "The baseband software does not properly check the format types of
    accept-type attribute specified by the SDP, which can lead to a denial
    of service or code execution in Samsung Baseband Modem," Samsung says in
    a security advisory describing the CVE-2023-24033 vulnerability.

    The only information required for the attacks to be pulled off is the
    victim's *ph
  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Thu Mar 23 17:51:07 2023
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    The resident Apple-hating trolls here who so often refer to Apple
    zero-day vulnerabilities definitely won't like reading this:

    Google finds 18 zero-day vulnerabilities in Samsung Exynos chipsets <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/google-finds-18-zero-day-vulnerabilities-in-samsung-exynos-chipsets/>
    ---
    Project Zero, Google's zero-day bug-hunting team, discovered and
    reported *18* zero-day vulnerabilities in Samsung’s Exynos chipsets used
    in *mobile* devices, *wearables*, and *cars*.

    The Exynos modem security flaws were reported between late 2022 and
    early 2023. Four of the eighteen zero-days were identified as the most serious, enabling *remote* *code* *execution* from the *Internet* to the *baseband*.

    These Internet-to-baseband remote code execution (RCE) bugs (including CVE-2023-24033 and three others still waiting for a CVE-ID) allow
    attackers to compromise vulnerable devices *remotely* and *without* any
    user interaction.

    "The baseband software does not properly check the format types of accept-type attribute specified by the SDP, which can lead to a denial
    of service or code execution in Samsung Baseband Modem," Samsung says in
    a security advisory describing the CVE-2023-24033 vulnerability.

    The only information required for the attacks to be pulled off is the victim's *phone* *number*, according to Tim Willis, the Head of Project
    Zero.

    To make things even worse, with minimal additional research, experienced attackers could easily create an exploit capable of remotely
    compromising vulnerable devices without triggering the targets'
    attention.

    "Due to a very rare combination of level of access these vulnerabilities provide and the speed with which we believe a reliable operational
    exploit could be crafted, we have decided to make a policy exception to
    delay disclosure for the four vulnerabilities that allow for Internet-to-baseband remote code execution," Willis said.

    The 14 remaining flaws (including CVE-2023-24072, CVE-2023-24073, CVE-2023-24074, CVE-2023-24075, CVE-2023-24076, and nine others awaiting CVE-IDs) are not as critical but still pose a risk. Successful
    exploitation requires local access or a malicious mobile network
    operator.

    Based on the list of affected chipsets provided by Samsung, the list of affected devices includes but is likely not limited to:

    * Mobile devices from Samsung, including those in the S22, M33, M13,
    M12, A71, A53, A33, A21, A13, A12 and A04 series;

    * Mobile devices from Vivo, including those in the S16, S15, S6, X70,
    X60 and X30 series;

    * The Pixel 6 and Pixel 7 series of devices from Google;

    * any wearables that use the Exynos W920 chipset; and

    * any vehicles that use the Exynos Auto T5123 chipset.

    Workaround available for affected devices

    While Samsung has already provided security updates addressing these vulnerabilities in impacted chipsets to other vendors, the patches are
    *not* *public* and *can't* be applied by all affected users.

    Each manufacturer's patch timeline for their devices will differ but,
    for instance, Google has already addressed CVE-2023-24033 for impacted
    Pixel devices in its March 2023 security updates.

    However, until patches are available, users can thwart baseband RCE exploitation attempts targeting Samsung's Exynos chipsets in their
    device by disabling Wi-Fi calling and Voice-over-LTE (VoLTE) to remove
    the attack vector.

    Samsung also confirmed Project Zero's workaround, saying that "users can disable WiFi calling and VoLTE to mitigate the impact of this
    vulnerability."

    "As always, we encourage end users to update their devices as soon as possible, to ensure that they are running the latest builds that fix
    both disclosed and undisclosed security vulnerabilities," Willis added.
    ---


    How is this Apple or iOS related?

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 23 19:28:48 2023
    Am 23.03.23 um 18:09 schrieb Jolly Roger:
    The resident Apple-hating trolls here who so often refer to Apple
    zero-day vulnerabilities definitely won't like reading this:

    Google finds 18 zero-day vulnerabilities in Samsung Exynos chipsets <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/google-finds-18-zero-day-vulnerabilities-in-samsung-exynos-chipsets/>

    Very old news.


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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 23 19:30:11 2023
    Am 23.03.23 um 19:27 schrieb Jolly Roger:
    On 2023-03-23, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    The resident Apple-hating trolls here who so often refer to Apple
    zero-day vulnerabilities definitely won't like reading this:

    Google finds 18 zero-day vulnerabilities in Samsung Exynos chipsets

    How is this Apple or iOS related?

    The first triggered troll speaks! So predictable. : )

    *You* are the Troll, dear.
    Very primitive.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Thu Mar 23 18:27:54 2023
    On 2023-03-23, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    The resident Apple-hating trolls here who so often refer to Apple
    zero-day vulnerabilities definitely won't like reading this:

    Google finds 18 zero-day vulnerabilities in Samsung Exynos chipsets

    How is this Apple or iOS related?

    The first triggered troll speaks! So predictable. : )

    Arlen regularly posts Android bullshit here (and always with a littel
    juvenile troll about how iOS sucks in the same posts), yet we have
    *never* seen badgolferman ask this question of Arlen, because the troll
    gang never attacks itself. ; )

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 23 19:38:07 2023
    Am 23.03.23 um 19:35 schrieb Jolly Roger:
    On 2023-03-23, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 23.03.23 um 19:27 schrieb Jolly Roger:
    On 2023-03-23, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    The resident Apple-hating trolls here who so often refer to Apple
    zero-day vulnerabilities definitely won't like reading this:

    Google finds 18 zero-day vulnerabilities in Samsung Exynos chipsets

    How is this Apple or iOS related?

    The first triggered troll speaks! So predictable. : )

    *You* are the Troll, dear. Very primitive.

    Another triggered troll heard from. : )

    Learn to filter.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Thu Mar 23 18:35:00 2023
    On 2023-03-23, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 23.03.23 um 19:27 schrieb Jolly Roger:
    On 2023-03-23, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    The resident Apple-hating trolls here who so often refer to Apple
    zero-day vulnerabilities definitely won't like reading this:

    Google finds 18 zero-day vulnerabilities in Samsung Exynos chipsets

    How is this Apple or iOS related?

    The first triggered troll speaks! So predictable. : )

    *You* are the Troll, dear. Very primitive.

    Another triggered troll heard from. : )

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Thu Mar 23 18:38:13 2023
    On 2023-03-23, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 23.03.23 um 18:09 schrieb Jolly Roger:
    The resident Apple-hating trolls here who so often refer to Apple
    zero-day vulnerabilities definitely won't like reading this:

    Google finds 18 zero-day vulnerabilities in Samsung Exynos chipsets
    <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/google-finds-18-zero-day-vulnerabilities-in-samsung-exynos-chipsets/>

    Very old news.

    Nope, the article was posted seven days ago. But it's understandable
    that the Android zealots would be very upset that Android devices with
    these baseband chips have EIGHTEEN new zero-days. : )

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  • From Big Dog@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Thu Mar 23 16:24:56 2023
    On 3/23/2023 2:38 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

    Nope, the article was posted seven days ago. But it's understandable
    that the Android zealots would be very upset that Android devices with
    these baseband chips have EIGHTEEN new zero-days.

    There are not one but two threads on the Android newsgroup about this
    already the first of which was posted by Newskrawler the moment the
    news of the Qualcomm issues was made public by Google.

    Since you can discuss it there where it belongs & where details & lists of affected devices is covered, why is this suddenly news on an iOS newsgroup?

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Thu Mar 23 13:52:52 2023
    On 3/23/2023 10:51 AM, badgolferman wrote:

    <snip>

    How is this Apple or iOS related?

    Why would are favorite trolls care about sticking to Apple or iOS
    related topics?!

    Unfortunately, Zero-day exploits are a fact of life on both Android and
    iOS devices. It's something we all have to deal with.

    Google has already issued a security update for these vulnerabilities on
    their Pixel devices. It's a 459MB update. As an aside, I just installed
    the latest iOS 16.4 beta and it was 5GB.

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    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Big Dog on Thu Mar 23 17:00:50 2023
    On 2023-03-23 16:24, Big Dog wrote:

    Since you can discuss it there where it belongs & where details & lists
    of affected devices is covered, why is this suddenly news on an iOS newsgroup?

    Regrettably we have some troll fleas we can't seem to shake, so JR is
    firing shots back at them.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Big Dog on Thu Mar 23 21:22:42 2023
    On 2023-03-23, Big Dog <BD7436@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/23/2023 2:38 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

    Nope, the article was posted seven days ago. But it's understandable
    that the Android zealots would be very upset that Android devices
    with these baseband chips have EIGHTEEN new zero-days.

    There are not one but two threads on the Android newsgroup about this
    already the first of which was posted by Newskrawler the moment the
    news of the Qualcomm issues was made public by Google.

    Interesting that the cross-posting troll Andy Burnelli (Arlen, and a
    slew of other nyms) selectively chose not to cross post those threads to
    the Apple newsgroups. ; )

    Since you can discuss it there where it belongs & where details &
    lists of affected devices is covered, why is this suddenly news on an
    iOS newsgroup?

    You'll note I don't post to the Android newsgroups - ever. I'm not a
    troll. You'll also note that several trolls regularly antagonize people
    in the Apple news groups, including cross posting Android threads here,
    always with little juvenile insults belittling Apple users. One of the
    most active trolls (who goes by Andy Burnelli, Arlen Holder, and a slew
    of other nyms) regularly trolls about Apple zero-day vulnerabilities. My
    post was simply making people in the Apple news groups aware that
    Android devices have zero-day vulnerabilities as well. If it wasn't for
    Andy and his little troll gang constantly trolling the Apple news
    groups, I would have likely just ignored this news, but I figure it
    can't hurt to balance out the bullshit with a little reality.

    What's it to you?

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Thu Mar 23 21:23:22 2023
    On 2023-03-23, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-23 16:24, Big Dog wrote:

    Since you can discuss it there where it belongs & where details &
    lists of affected devices is covered, why is this suddenly news on an
    iOS newsgroup?

    Regrettably we have some troll fleas we can't seem to shake, so JR is
    firing shots back at them.

    Just a little harmless fun to balance out the constant barrage of troll bullshit. : )

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to sms on Thu Mar 23 21:26:09 2023
    On 2023-03-23, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    On 3/23/2023 10:51 AM, badgolferman wrote:

    <snip>

    How is this Apple or iOS related?

    Why would are favorite trolls care about sticking to Apple or iOS
    related topics?!

    That's funny coming from your little troll gang whose leader regularly
    cross post off-topic Android threads here with little juvenile digs at
    Apple.

    Unfortunately, Zero-day exploits are a fact of life on both Android
    and iOS devices. It's something we all have to deal with.

    Yet the only zero-day vulnerabilities Arlen posts about are Apple's.
    Strange, that.

    Google has already issued a security update for these vulnerabilities
    on their Pixel devices. It's a 459MB update. As an aside, I just
    installed the latest iOS 16.4 beta and it was 5GB.

    Likewise, Apple long ago released updates for theirs - yet that doesn't
    stop Arlen from mentioning them over and over, as recently as this
    month. Strange...

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Mar 23 17:02:45 2023
    nospam wrote:
    In article <tvie74$1a1qe$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    Why would are favorite trolls care about sticking to Apple or iOS
    related topics?!

    why do you continually resort to ad hominem attacks?


    To be fair, it is clear that you also resort to ad hominems. Often.

    Your hands are not clean. But you'll deny it and raise a stink.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Thu Mar 23 17:21:41 2023
    In article <tvie74$1a1qe$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    Why would are favorite trolls care about sticking to Apple or iOS
    related topics?!

    why do you continually resort to ad hominem attacks?

    Unfortunately, Zero-day exploits are a fact of life on both Android and
    iOS devices. It's something we all have to deal with.

    you're just making excuses.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Mar 23 22:53:42 2023
    On 2023-03-23, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    nospam wrote:
    In article <tvie74$1a1qe$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Why would are favorite trolls care about sticking to Apple or iOS
    related topics?!

    why do you continually resort to ad hominem attacks?

    To be fair, it is clear that you also resort to ad hominems. Often.

    I haven't seen him do that.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to hank@nospam.invalid on Thu Mar 23 18:18:14 2023
    In article <f04TL.1741026$iU59.1493128@fx14.iad>, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <tvie74$1a1qe$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    Why would are favorite trolls care about sticking to Apple or iOS
    related topics?!

    why do you continually resort to ad hominem attacks?


    To be fair, it is clear that you also resort to ad hominems. Often.

    what i do is call out bullshit whenever i see it, which is not the same
    as an ad hominem attack. if i insult someone, it's in response to their
    insults and condescending attitude.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Mar 23 18:32:49 2023
    nospam wrote:
    In article <f04TL.1741026$iU59.1493128@fx14.iad>, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <tvie74$1a1qe$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    Why would are favorite trolls care about sticking to Apple or iOS
    related topics?!

    why do you continually resort to ad hominem attacks?


    To be fair, it is clear that you also resort to ad hominems. Often.

    what i do is call out bullshit whenever i see it, which is not the same
    as an ad hominem attack. if i insult someone, it's in response to their insults and condescending attitude.


    It is still an ad hominem. You, and others attack the person, and
    not the idea. Look it up.

    When you reply to an ad hominem with another ad hominem, it is the
    same. Tit for tat. Two assholes shitting on each other. Both are
    splattered. Can't you see that?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to hank@nospam.invalid on Thu Mar 23 19:57:57 2023
    In article <Ik5TL.1216900$Tcw8.497212@fx10.iad>, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:


    It is still an ad hominem.

    it is not. there is a difference between an ad hominem attack and
    responding to attacks and refuting bullshit.

    also, some people really are ignorant, so calling it out is merely a
    statement of fact and not an insult or an attack. it's what it is.

    You, and others attack the person, and
    not the idea. Look it up.

    nope. i attack the idea, with credible cites.

    what the resident trolls (along with their many nyms & sockpuppets) do
    is attack the person, because that's all they have.

    they also deliberately lie and twist what was said, often using various
    other logical fallacies. it's most amusing when they provide cites that
    say the opposite of what they claim because they don't understand what
    it is they're even arguing about, which happened yet again just a few
    days ago.

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Mar 24 00:35:25 2023
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <Ik5TL.1216900$Tcw8.497212@fx10.iad>, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:


    It is still an ad hominem.

    it is not. there is a difference between an ad hominem attack and
    responding to attacks and refuting bullshit.

    also, some people really are ignorant, so calling it out is merely a statement of fact and not an insult or an attack. it's what it is.

    You, and others attack the person, and
    not the idea. Look it up.

    nope. i attack the idea, with credible cites.

    what the resident trolls (along with their many nyms & sockpuppets) do
    is attack the person, because that's all they have.

    they also deliberately lie and twist what was said, often using various
    other logical fallacies. it's most amusing when they provide cites that
    say the opposite of what they claim because they don't understand what
    it is they're even arguing about, which happened yet again just a few
    days ago.


    Stop talking about Jolly Roger like that!

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Fri Mar 24 00:57:40 2023
    On 2023-03-24, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <Ik5TL.1216900$Tcw8.497212@fx10.iad>, Hank Rogers
    <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    It is still an ad hominem.

    it is not. there is a difference between an ad hominem attack and
    responding to attacks and refuting bullshit.

    also, some people really are ignorant, so calling it out is merely a
    statement of fact and not an insult or an attack. it's what it is.

    You, and others attack the person, and not the idea. Look it up.

    nope. i attack the idea, with credible cites.

    what the resident trolls (along with their many nyms & sockpuppets)
    do is attack the person, because that's all they have.

    they also deliberately lie and twist what was said, often using
    various other logical fallacies. it's most amusing when they provide
    cites that say the opposite of what they claim because they don't
    understand what it is they're even arguing about, which happened yet
    again just a few days ago.

    Stop talking about Jolly Roger like that!

    From badgolferman on Mar 8, 2023, 8:36:01 AM: <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/Fhyivd8Cgh8/m/rPICQgfgAwAJ>
    ---
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    Many must care enough for Yellow for Apple to have manufactured it.
    Apple must think enough people care for Yellow for sales to increase.

    Yes, those who must stand out and demand attention.
    ---

    Note how his lame ad hominem *wasn't* in response to ad hominem. ; )

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  • From David E. Ross@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Mar 23 20:27:22 2023
    On 3/23/2023 4:57 PM, nospam wrote:
    In article <Ik5TL.1216900$Tcw8.497212@fx10.iad>, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:


    It is still an ad hominem.

    it is not. there is a difference between an ad hominem attack and
    responding to attacks and refuting bullshit.

    also, some people really are ignorant, so calling it out is merely a statement of fact and not an insult or an attack. it's what it is.

    You, and others attack the person, and
    not the idea. Look it up.

    nope. i attack the idea, with credible cites.

    what the resident trolls (along with their many nyms & sockpuppets) do
    is attack the person, because that's all they have.

    they also deliberately lie and twist what was said, often using various
    other logical fallacies. it's most amusing when they provide cites that
    say the opposite of what they claim because they don't understand what
    it is they're even arguing about, which happened yet again just a few
    days ago.

    Stop talking about yourself like that!
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    meat is natural. Beyond Meat is definitely not.

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  • From rdb@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 24 03:30:42 2023
    On 23 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> posted some news <news:k843jlFckvpU1@mid.individual.net>:

    Why would are favorite trolls care about sticking to Apple or iOS
    related topics?!

    why do you continually resort to ad hominem attacks?

    To be fair, it is clear that you also resort to ad hominems. Often.

    I haven't seen him do that.

    You haven't seen yourself doing it either!

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to David E. Ross on Fri Mar 24 17:51:58 2023
    On 2023-03-24, David E. Ross <nobody@notme.invalid> wrote:
    On 3/23/2023 4:57 PM, nospam wrote:
    In article <Ik5TL.1216900$Tcw8.497212@fx10.iad>, Hank Rogers
    <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    It is still an ad hominem.

    it is not. there is a difference between an ad hominem attack and
    responding to attacks and refuting bullshit.

    also, some people really are ignorant, so calling it out is merely a
    statement of fact and not an insult or an attack. it's what it is.

    You, and others attack the person, and not the idea. Look it up.

    nope. i attack the idea, with credible cites.

    what the resident trolls (along with their many nyms & sockpuppets)
    do is attack the person, because that's all they have.

    they also deliberately lie and twist what was said, often using
    various other logical fallacies. it's most amusing when they provide
    cites that say the opposite of what they claim because they don't
    understand what it is they're even arguing about, which happened yet
    again just a few days ago.

    Stop talking about yourself like that!

    The fact that the best you trolls can muster is the utterly juvenile "I
    know you are, but what am I" says it all... : )

    --
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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to rdb on Fri Mar 24 17:53:06 2023
    On 2023-03-24, rdb <rdb@usa.usa> wrote:
    On 23 Mar 2023, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> posted some news
    <news:k843jlFckvpU1@mid.individual.net>:

    Why would are favorite trolls care about sticking to Apple or iOS
    related topics?!

    why do you continually resort to ad hominem attacks?

    To be fair, it is clear that you also resort to ad hominems. Often.

    I haven't seen him do that.

    You haven't seen yourself doing it either!

    I've done it in retaliation to ad hominem. I have no problem admitting
    that. Trolls deserve no tolerance.

    --
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    JR

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to David E. Ross on Fri Mar 24 11:07:41 2023
    On 3/23/2023 8:27 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

    <snip>

    Stop talking about yourself like that!

    Quite amusing to see the two most prolific trolls, who never provide
    cites or references, getting so upset about those of us that continually
    post referenced facts. Do they work for Fox News?

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Fri Mar 24 14:12:23 2023
    In article <tvkote$1p443$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    Quite amusing to see the two most prolific trolls, who never provide
    cites or references, getting so upset about those of us that continually
    post referenced facts. Do they work for Fox News?

    more of your projection and ad hominem attacks, after having been
    called out on your endless lies.

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  • From gtr@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Mar 24 11:37:10 2023
    On 2023-03-24 11:12:23 +0000, nospam said:

    more of your projection and ad hominem attacks, after having been
    called out on your endless lies.

    Nobody is perfect but nospam and jolly roger are probably among the worst
    for what they are saying everyone else does. They may even be the worst.

    What do you think?

    Are nospam and jolly roger the worst at what they say everyone else is?

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to sms on Fri Mar 24 19:28:25 2023
    On 2023-03-24, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    On 3/23/2023 8:27 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

    <snip>

    Stop talking about yourself like that!

    Quite amusing to see the two most prolific trolls, who never provide
    cites or references

    Coming from the actual troll who never provided any references for your
    claims that Face ID supposedly doesn't work well in the dark, or that
    AirTags supposedly don't work well in moving vans (just to name the two
    most recent of a long line of false unsubstantiated claims you've made
    here), that means less than nothing. Your trolls are useless.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to gtr on Fri Mar 24 19:19:32 2023
    gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
    On 2023-03-24 11:12:23 +0000, nospam said:

    more of your projection and ad hominem attacks, after having been
    called out on your endless lies.

    Nobody is perfect but nospam and jolly roger are probably among the worst
    for what they are saying everyone else does. They may even be the worst.

    What do you think?

    Are nospam and jolly roger the worst at what they say everyone else is?


    Does it matter? There is so much vitriol from all sides in this group it’s difficult to find anything of value anymore.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to gtr on Fri Mar 24 19:29:16 2023
    On 2023-03-24, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
    On 2023-03-24 11:12:23 +0000, nospam said:

    more of your projection and ad hominem attacks, after having been
    called out on your endless lies.

    Nobody is perfect but nospam and jolly roger are probably among the
    worst for what they are saying everyone else does. They may even be
    the worst.

    What do you think?

    Are nospam and jolly roger the worst at what they say everyone else
    is?

    Arlen's nym-stealing "gtr" again. Pathetic.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Fri Mar 24 19:29:40 2023
    On 2023-03-24, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
    On 2023-03-24 11:12:23 +0000, nospam said:

    more of your projection and ad hominem attacks, after having been
    called out on your endless lies.

    Nobody is perfect but nospam and jolly roger are probably among the
    worst for what they are saying everyone else does. They may even be
    the worst.

    What do you think?

    Are nospam and jolly roger the worst at what they say everyone else
    is?

    Does it matter? There is so much vitriol from all sides in this group
    it’s difficult to find anything of value anymore.

    Maybe you trolls should leave then.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Jim S@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 24 19:44:58 2023
    In article <news:tvkt44$1prb4$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> says...

    Does it matter? There is so much vitriol from all sides in this group its difficult to find anything of value anymore.

    While usenet newsgroups have always had their "vitriol", if you look at
    only the operating system newsgroups, this group has the most, doesn't it?

    Why do you think mostly this group but not Android, Linux or Windows groups
    do NOT have the "vitriol" (anywhere near this group) that you speak of?
    --
    Jim S

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to jim@jimXscott.co.uk on Fri Mar 24 16:02:54 2023
    In article <tvkujp$36k5r$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Jim S
    <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    While usenet newsgroups have always had their "vitriol", if you look at
    only the operating system newsgroups, this group has the most, doesn't it?

    definitely not.

    what this group has are two instigators, along with their entourage of sockpuppets, who deliberately seek to disrupt everything in their path
    and then blame others.

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to Jim S on Fri Mar 24 22:36:23 2023
    Jim S <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    Why do you think mostly this group but not Android, Linux or Windows groups do NOT have the "vitriol" (anywhere near this group) that you speak of?

    That’s fairly easy to answer. Most iOS users are Actual Adults AND they
    act like Actual Adults.

    It would never occur to Actual Adults to post absurd bullshit in the
    Android groups.

    OTOH, we have Troll Kiddies like Arlen and his innumerable sock puppets.
    You can tell he is child by what he posts and the way he posts it. He continues to post ridiculous claims as if they are facts.

    For example. He claims that every time Apple updates iOS - EVEN IF ONLY A SINGLE LINE OF CODE WAS CHANGED - that Apple rebuilds the ENTIRE iOS image
    and sends that out to every device.

    He claims that Apple uses “small, substandard” batteries in iPhones. Never mind that iPhones ALWAYS have the best battery life. Why? Because the chipsets that Apple designs (not to mention iOS) are way more power
    efficient than everyone else.

    He tried to claim that Android could do “Cross Platform, Ultrasonic File Transfers” and was actually pointing out that there was no such app in the App Store. Never mind that there is no such thing as “Ultrasonic File Transfers”. It is physically impossible. He made a total fool of himself
    on that one. Even more so than he usually does whenever he opens his
    mouth.

    He is always babbling on that Apple insists you always have to be logged
    into “Apple mothership servers” to do ANYTHING on iOS.

    And on and on and on.

    Note that he posts all of this crap as facts. I don’t know which is
    worse: that he actually believes this nonsense or that he is just such a disgusting troll that he keeps on posting this shit - over and over and
    over - not caring what a total douchebag he is being.

    He also claims to have iPhones and iPads. Yet, from the above (very tiny) sample, it is clear that he has never even seen iOS, let alone own it and
    use it every day.

    He is also incredibly stupid to keep inventing sock puppets. He does not understand how easy it is to see by reading the message headers. Not to mention the fact that it is bloody obvious when a new name appears here but
    the new name knows everyone and all of the history here.

    Duh.

    All of this points to a child. Socially, technically and mentally not an adult.

    THAT is why there is so much “vitriol” in Apple groups. 25 years ago - when the argument was Windows vs Macs - we saw the same shit. Retarded
    Windows users posting absurd shit about Macs. But that was when Windows
    was 95% of the market and Macs were 4%.

    But times have changed. Now that Windows is under 60% (and still dropping)
    and Macs are 30% (and still climbing) (these are U.S. numbers) the topic
    has turned to phones. No Windows geek is going to dare to praise Windows
    and ridicule Macs with numbers like that.

    But it is the same tired arguments. “Macs (iPhones) are for children.
    Real Men use Windows (Android).” As if the computer you use has any
    bearing on “being a man”

    Again, sounds like children doesn’t it?

    It has always appeared to me that the trolls are just jealous. They are desperately trying to cobble together some solution (with Windows and
    Android) that Macs and iPhones just do automatically. The goal is always “see I can do this without the (alleged) walled garden”.

    I’m sure it appears to them - from the outside looking in - as a “walled garden”. Actually, its just a gated community. It keeps out the
    riffraff.

    Which is what trolls are. Unwanted/unknown weirdos walking by your house
    every day. That’s why gated communities exist.

    The tl;dr shortcut is this. Why do Apple hating trolls spend SO MUCH time here? What is your point? If you are trying to prove you are children
    then you have succeeded. Probably your only success in life thus far.

    But DO notice that no one here goes trolling in Android groups. Why?
    Because we don’t give a damn about you or Android. We have actual lives
    and are Actual Adults.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Jim S on Fri Mar 24 15:17:21 2023
    On 3/24/2023 12:44 PM, Jim S wrote:

    <snip>

    Why do you think mostly this group but not Android, Linux or Windows groups do NOT have the "vitriol" (anywhere near this group) that you speak of?

    This happens when you have a product or service where some of the users
    are insecure about the purchasing choices that they have made. They have
    a need to defend their choices by attacking anyone that points out a
    feature that a competing product or service has that the product that
    they have chosen lacks. They don't understand that it would be better to
    be honest about pointing out any limitations or missing features in
    order to encourage the manufacturer or service provider to consider
    adding those features.

    The reason that I prepared "the document," and why it has grown to 113
    pages, is because I explain in detail the features of iOS that Android
    users wish they had, and vice-versa, plus I provide references and
    citations to ensure that those looking at the document have a way to
    verify the information. As you've seen with the trolls, they rarely
    provide any references or citations, and they are infuriated that they
    are unable to dispute anything that I included in the document.

    Since I use both platforms on a regular basis, I have a level of
    knowledge that our trolls do not have. Sitting at work now, I have on my
    desk:
    1 iPhone
    1 iPad Pro
    1 Mac Mini
    1 Android phone
    1 Android tablet
    2 Windows laptops

    However we deal mostly with Android here because we use it in embedded
    IOT devices, and since it's much easier to develop and deploy Android applications, the control of those IOT devices is via Android tablets
    and phones.

    ---------------------------------------•-----------------------------------------
    55 iOS & iPhone Features Which [many] Android Users Wish they Had &
    218 Android & Android Phone Features Which [many] iOS Users Wish
    they Had
    <https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>

    113 Pages of Extensively Referenced Information with Hundreds of
    Citations
    ✓ 100% Fact Checked ✓ ---------------------------------------•-----------------------------------------


    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Mar 24 17:43:58 2023
    nospam wrote:
    In article <tvkujp$36k5r$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Jim S
    <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    While usenet newsgroups have always had their "vitriol", if you look at
    only the operating system newsgroups, this group has the most, doesn't it?

    definitely not.

    what this group has are two instigators, along with their entourage of sockpuppets, who deliberately seek to disrupt everything in their path
    and then blame others.


    You seem to do a lot of that yourself, with your sycophants assisting.

    You are no different than andy burneli.

    He is an asshole wearing an android army uniform.

    You are an asshole wearing an apple uniform.

    But both of you are assholes.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Fri Mar 24 19:46:26 2023
    In article <tvl7hj$1rie1$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    The reason that I prepared "the document,

    is to troll.

    " and why it has grown to 113
    pages, is because I explain in detail the features of iOS that Android
    users wish they had, and vice-versa,

    that's a false premise.

    nobody wishes they had features available on a different device,
    otherwise they would have bought that different device.

    another problem is that you intentionally omit a *significant* number
    of ios features (nearly 100 by my count) and lie about many of its
    existing features, claiming limitations that do not actually exist.

    this is deliberate, so that the 'document' fits your narrative, that
    ios is missing a lot of functionality.

    for someone who claims to 'have a level of knowledge' that others do
    not have, how is it you neglected to mention any of those missing
    features? how is it you get so much wrong? either your level of
    knowledge is much lower than you think, or you're lying. likely both.

    you also list utterly meaningless stuff for android, such as 'screen
    body ratio'. nobody goes into a store and asks for a phone with the
    best screen body ratio. nobody who has an iphone wishes their screen
    body ratio was a problem.

    plus I provide references and
    citations to ensure that those looking at the document have a way to
    verify the information.

    and when they do verify it, they realize just how much those links are cherry-picked, how biased and absurd your claims actually are and how
    little you actually understand about any of it.

    for example, citing a fingerprint manufacturer's claims as proof that fingerprint sensors are good is one of the more amusing ones. what are
    they going to say?

    another example was your claim that android had mac address filtering
    first, citing a link to apple. all you did was a quick search, without understanding what it is you were searching for, which is why you got
    it wrong. as it turns out, apple introduced mac address filtering
    nearly a decade ago, long before android even thought about it, let
    alone copying it several years later.

    As you've seen with the trolls, they rarely
    provide any references or citations, and they are infuriated that they
    are unable to dispute anything that I included in the document.

    very much false.

    nearly everything has been disputed, with numerous cites, references,
    photos, videos, apps, source code, developer documentation, hardware
    products and more.

    you ignore all of it, because it doesn't fit your narrative. your goal
    is not about facts, it's about trolling.

    the only person who is infuriated is *you*, which is why you resort to
    ad hominem attacks (which is all your post really is) and continually
    pretend to be the expert you're not while making ridiculous claims that
    are trivially shown to be false.

    Since I use both platforms on a regular basis,

    many people do. you're not the only one.

    and the word 'use' is doing a lot of work here.

    there's a big difference between powering it on and doing some simple
    things and knowing what the full potential of the devices actually are.

    you fall into the former group.

    I have a level of
    knowledge that our trolls do not have.

    that is completely unsupported by the evidence.

    if that were true, you wouldn't get so much wrong.

    literally anyone who has used an iphone with face id knows that it
    works *very* well in the dark, and in fact, that's when it works the
    best because there's no interference from any other light sources.
    further, anyone who has read about its design and how it works knows
    that it does not require ambient light, even if they've never actually
    used it themselves.

    anyone who has used airtags knows that they work in a wide variety of conditions, including inside trucks, cars and other metal enclosures.

    your claim that *two* android phones would be a better choice than a
    single airtag is laughable, while ignoring that somehow an android
    phone inside a metal truck and which uses the same frequency bands as
    an airtag can penetrate the metal when an airtag cannot.

    your 'level of knowledge' is at ground level. it's so low that even
    insects look down on you (and if they could laugh, they would).

    and since it's much easier to develop and deploy Android
    applications,

    spoken by someone who has never written an app for either platform.

    just about everyone who has done both knows that writing ios apps is
    quite a bit easier for all sorts of reasons, including the huge number
    of ios frameworks available and how much they actually do. using them
    often requires little more than a few lines of code, and in some cases,
    no code. another is that ios apps and mac apps can share code, greatly simplifying development and testing. xcode, despite its flaws, is much
    better than android studio. testing ios apps is also much easier. the
    list goes on.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Campbell on Fri Mar 24 19:46:22 2023
    In article <uAWdnS_H56d6uIP5nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@supernews.com>, Bob
    Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:


    He tried to claim that Android could do Cross Platform, Ultrasonic File Transfers and was actually pointing out that there was no such app in the App Store. Never mind that there is no such thing as Ultrasonic File Transfers. It is physically impossible.

    actually, it's very possible.

    it's basically an analog modem. one device encodes the data into sounds
    and the other device listens and decodes it.

    the only requirement for it to be ultrasonic is that the microphone and
    speaker on the devices have a response beyond what humans can hear. if
    not, it will be an audible file transfer.

    it's also incredibly inefficient.

    wifi is a *lot* faster. even lowly bluetooth is faster.

    it might be an interesting project for someone to lean about digital
    signal processing, however.

    He made a total fool of himself
    on that one. Even more so than he usually does whenever he opens his
    mouth.

    true.





    But DO notice that no one here goes trolling in Android groups. Why? Because we dont give a damn about you or Android. We have actual lives
    and are Actual Adults.

    yep.

    buy whatever you want. nobody cares. except the trolls, who are upset
    they bought the wrong stuff and jealous that they can't do things as
    easily, or not at all.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Mar 24 19:20:03 2023
    nospam wrote:
    In article <uAWdnS_H56d6uIP5nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@supernews.com>, Bob
    Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:


    He tried to claim that Android could do Cross Platform, Ultrasonic File
    Transfers and was actually pointing out that there was no such app in the >> App Store. Never mind that there is no such thing as Ultrasonic File
    Transfers. It is physically impossible.

    actually, it's very possible.

    it's basically an analog modem. one device encodes the data into sounds
    and the other device listens and decodes it.

    the only requirement for it to be ultrasonic is that the microphone and speaker on the devices have a response beyond what humans can hear. if
    not, it will be an audible file transfer.

    it's also incredibly inefficient.

    wifi is a *lot* faster. even lowly bluetooth is faster.

    it might be an interesting project for someone to lean about digital
    signal processing, however.

    He made a total fool of himself
    on that one. Even more so than he usually does whenever he opens his
    mouth.

    true.





    But DO notice that no one here goes trolling in Android groups. Why?
    Because we dont give a damn about you or Android. We have actual lives
    and are Actual Adults.

    yep.


    That's the same shit arlen harps on. Are you two brothers?

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Sat Mar 25 01:56:29 2023
    On 2023-03-24, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    nospam wrote:
    In article <tvkujp$36k5r$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Jim S
    <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

    While usenet newsgroups have always had their "vitriol", if you look
    at only the operating system newsgroups, this group has the most,
    doesn't it?

    definitely not.

    what this group has are two instigators, along with their entourage
    of sockpuppets, who deliberately seek to disrupt everything in their
    path and then blame others.

    You seem to do a lot of that yourself, with your sycophants assisting.

    Trolls like you always claim it's other people who are "the real
    trolls".

    You are no different than andy burneli.

    Andy Burneli goes out of his way to come to Apple newsgroups to troll.
    And you, sms, badgolferman, and a slew of sockpuppets are sycophants who regularly defend him.

    He is an asshole wearing an android army uniform.

    He's a loser.

    You are an asshole wearing an apple uniform.

    Nah, he just corrects your troll gang's bullshit, and you hate that.

    But both of you are assholes.

    As are you. So am I. Big fucking deal. The difference is we aren't
    disrupting and trolling non-Apple newsgroups - that's your team.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From RonTheGuy@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Mar 24 18:14:21 2023
    On Mar 24, 2023, nospam wrote
    (in article<news:240320231946263946%nospam@nospam.invalid>):

    nobody wishes they had features available on a different device,
    otherwise they would have bought that different device.

    While I have to give you credit for always knowing what EVERYONE wants,
    I can't speak for everyone (like you do), but I'm sure there are people on
    the iPhone who wish they had a 3.5mm jack, portable battery or sd card.

    Ron, the humblest guy in town.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Sat Mar 25 01:59:40 2023
    On 2023-03-25, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    nospam wrote:
    In article <uAWdnS_H56d6uIP5nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@supernews.com>, Bob
    Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:

    But DO notice that no one here goes trolling in Android groups.
    Why? Because we don¹t give a damn about you or Android. We have
    actual lives and are Actual Adults.

    yep.

    That's the same shit arlen harps on. Are you two brothers?

    The fact that you believe sarcastically throwing a troll's lame lines
    back at him makes them the same in your simple world says a lot about
    you. This ain't the "gotcha" you think it is, silly boy.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Jim S on Sat Mar 25 01:52:46 2023
    On 2023-03-24, Jim S <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <news:tvkt44$1prb4$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> says...

    Does it matter? There is so much vitriol from all sides in this group
    its difficult to find anything of value anymore.

    While usenet newsgroups have always had their "vitriol", if you look
    at only the operating system newsgroups, this group has the most,
    doesn't it?

    Why do you think mostly this group but not Android, Linux or Windows
    groups do NOT have the "vitriol" (anywhere near this group) that you
    speak of?

    Because your little troll gang isn't trolling there.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Neil@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Fri Mar 24 22:19:05 2023
    On 3/24/2023 9:56 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
    You seem to do a lot of that yourself, with your sycophants assisting.

    Trolls like you always claim it's other people who are "the real
    trolls".

    If you and nospam left this newsgroup, it would be civil again without you.
    --
    best regards,

    Neil

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat Mar 25 02:26:18 2023
    On 24 Mar 2023 at 5:53:06 PM, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    I've done it in retaliation to ad hominem. I have no problem admitting
    that. Trolls deserve no tolerance.

    To you a "troll" is someone who says something you don't want anyone to
    say, so you censure them with tirades after insults after complaints, not because of what they said, but because you don't like what they said.
    --
    Cheers, Rob

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to ron@null.invalid on Fri Mar 24 22:35:46 2023
    In article <1ira8algylv4v$.dlg@news.solani.org>, RonTheGuy
    <ron@null.invalid> wrote:

    but I'm sure there are people on
    the iPhone who wish they had a 3.5mm jack, portable battery or sd card.

    if they did, they would have bought something that had those.

    since iphones are among the best selling smartphones worldwide, with
    *eight* out of the top ten spots, it's overwhelmingly clear that those
    features are not important, at all.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to RJH on Sat Mar 25 06:29:23 2023
    On 2023-03-25, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
    On 24 Mar 2023 at 5:53:06 PM, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    I've done it in retaliation to ad hominem. I have no problem
    admitting that. Trolls deserve no tolerance.

    To you a "troll" is someone who says something you don't want anyone
    to say

    Nope, trolls lie. You just like their lies because you are one of them.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Neil on Sat Mar 25 06:28:09 2023
    On 2023-03-25, Neil <neil@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
    On 3/24/2023 9:56 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
    You seem to do a lot of that yourself, with your sycophants assisting.

    Trolls like you always claim it's other people who are "the real
    trolls".

    If you and nospam left this newsgroup, it would be civil again without
    you.

    Bullshit, Arlen, sms, badgolferman, and their slew of sock puppets would continue to sling juvenile jokes and insults to belittle Apple users
    here. The reason you dislike nospam, me, and others who return what the
    trolls dish out is because you are one yourself.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to allen on Mon Mar 27 20:15:01 2023
    allen wrote:

    Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> said:

    For the permanent record, and for adults to take note of,
    Jolly Roger just said, multiple times, in this thread just now,
    *Android is irrelevant for this Apple iPhone newsgroup*

    Fancy that.

    <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/OQk2_G0iYoM/ >>m/bGbsD5OIAQAJ> Where Jolly Roger says, and I quote:
    "Android is irrelevant here, trollboi."
    "You don't know what I own, and Android is irrelevant in the
    Apple newsgroups anyway, trollboi. " "Android is irrelevant here, >>trollboi. " "Android is irrelevant here, trollboi."
    "Android is irrelevant here, trollboi."
    etc.

    Not only a half dozen times in a single post does Jolly Roger say
    "Android is irrelevant here, trollboi."

    But Jolly Roger claims anyone who brings up Android in this
    newsgroup, *is a troll*

    Fancy that.
    *Jolly Roger is a troll*

    Fancy that.
    *If Jolly Roger left this newsgroup, it would become civil again.*

    Fancy that.

    So true.

    Every time Jolly Roger says something I have to quickly unplug my irony
    meter lest it blow up again.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 27 21:04:19 2023
    For the permanent record, and for adults to take note of,
    Jolly Roger just said, multiple times, in this thread just now,
    *Android is irrelevant for this Apple iPhone newsgroup*

    Fancy that.
    <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/OQk2_G0iYoM/m/bGbsD5OIAQAJ>

    Where Jolly Roger says, and I quote:
    "Android is irrelevant here, trollboi."
    "You don't know what I own, and Android is irrelevant in the Apple newsgroups anyway, trollboi. "
    "Android is irrelevant here, trollboi. "
    "Android is irrelevant here, trollboi."
    "Android is irrelevant here, trollboi."
    etc.

    Not only a half dozen times in a single post does Jolly Roger say
    "Android is irrelevant here, trollboi."

    But Jolly Roger claims anyone who brings up Android in this newsgroup,
    *is a troll*

    Fancy that.
    *Jolly Roger _is_ a troll*

    Fancy that.
    *If Jolly Roger left this newsgroup, it would become civil again.*

    Fancy that.

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  • From allen@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Mon Mar 27 12:07:30 2023
    Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> said:

    For the permanent record, and for adults to take note of,
    Jolly Roger just said, multiple times, in this thread just now,
    *Android is irrelevant for this Apple iPhone newsgroup*

    Fancy that.
    <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/OQk2_G0iYoM/m/bGbsD5OIAQAJ>

    Where Jolly Roger says, and I quote:
    "Android is irrelevant here, trollboi."
    "You don't know what I own, and Android is irrelevant in the Apple newsgroups anyway, trollboi. "
    "Android is irrelevant here, trollboi. "
    "Android is irrelevant here, trollboi."
    "Android is irrelevant here, trollboi."
    etc.

    Not only a half dozen times in a single post does Jolly Roger say
    "Android is irrelevant here, trollboi."

    But Jolly Roger claims anyone who brings up Android in this newsgroup,
    *is a troll*

    Fancy that.
    *Jolly Roger _is_ a troll*

    Fancy that.
    *If Jolly Roger left this newsgroup, it would become civil again.*

    Fancy that.

    So true.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Mon Mar 27 15:26:51 2023
    On 3/27/2023 1:15 PM, badgolferman wrote:

    <snip>

    Every time Jolly Roger says something I have to quickly unplug my irony
    meter lest it blow up again.

    You could also just filter out him, and the other prolific trolls. It
    makes the newsgroup much more readable.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to sms on Tue Mar 28 11:02:55 2023
    sms wrote:

    On 3/27/2023 1:15 PM, badgolferman wrote:

    <snip>

    Every time Jolly Roger says something I have to quickly unplug my
    irony meter lest it blow up again.

    You could also just filter out him, and the other prolific trolls. It
    makes the newsgroup much more readable.

    If I did that then nearly everyone would be filtered out since all of
    you think everyone else is a troll.

    nospam and his group think you and Arlen are trolls. You think nospam
    and his group and Arlen are trolls. Lorenz thinks everyone is a troll.
    Jolly Roger, Alan Browne think I am a troll.

    Who else is there left to leave unfiltered?

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Mar 28 08:08:22 2023
    On 3/28/2023 4:02 AM, badgolferman wrote:

    <snip>

    If I did that then nearly everyone would be filtered out since all of
    you think everyone else is a troll.

    Pretty sure you can tell who is actually a troll. Just look at who
    provides referenced facts and who just engages in personal attacks.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to sms on Tue Mar 28 15:20:48 2023
    sms wrote:

    On 3/28/2023 4:02 AM, badgolferman wrote:

    <snip>

    If I did that then nearly everyone would be filtered out since all
    of you think everyone else is a troll.

    Pretty sure you can tell who is actually a troll. Just look at who
    provides referenced facts and who just engages in personal attacks.


    By that definition YOU cannot consider Arlen a troll since he provides
    cites and somewhat respects you, so why do you filter him out?

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Mar 28 08:37:20 2023
    On 3/28/2023 8:20 AM, badgolferman wrote:

    <snip>

    By that definition YOU cannot consider Arlen a troll since he provides
    cites and somewhat respects you, so why do you filter him out?

    Maybe he's changed, but in the past that was not the case.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Tue Mar 28 11:44:14 2023
    In article <tvuvta$3ptjt$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Pretty sure you can tell who is actually a troll. Just look at who
    provides referenced facts and who just engages in personal attacks.

    *you* constantly engage in personal attacks (including right now), plus whatever cites you provide are easily refuted with referenced facts
    from reputable sources.

    you also make absurd claims that are obviously wrong, knowing full well
    what the responses will be.

    by your own metric, you are a troll.

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Mar 28 16:02:47 2023
    nospam wrote:

    In article <tvuvta$3ptjt$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Pretty sure you can tell who is actually a troll. Just look at who
    provides referenced facts and who just engages in personal attacks.

    you constantly engage in personal attacks (including right now), plus >whatever cites you provide are easily refuted with referenced facts
    from reputable sources.

    you also make absurd claims that are obviously wrong, knowing full
    well what the responses will be.

    by your own metric, you are a troll.


    So we now have the battle of opposing facts!

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to sms on Tue Mar 28 17:18:01 2023
    sms wrote:

    By that definition YOU cannot consider Arlen a troll since he provides
    cites and somewhat respects you, so why do you filter him out?

    Maybe he's changed, but in the past that was not the case.

    Hehhehheh... Thanks badgolferman for realizing I provide cites for
    everything I claim and, let's be clear, I _test_ the claims of the iKooks.

    I'm like you in that I don't filter out Steve, nor nospam, nor even Jolly Roger, but I did have to filter out Snit & Alan Baker, and even Joerg
    recently, as they have never added even an iota of value to this ng.

    And let's be clear, I post detailed screenshots _proving_ what I claim.
    I'm highly educated, and therefore I _know_ credibility is critical.

    Steve is fine, with the exception of his Verizon shilling, which I think
    Steve mentioned he had a fiduciary relationship with them so maybe that's
    why but if it's not that, I can't understand why he shills for them.

    I think Steve's document is pretty good, and definitely extensive, where
    all the iKooks can say is every line out of thousands must be wrong, which
    just isn't true.

    Steve, to his credit, has earned a college degree, in EE no less, so he's
    not stupid like the iKooks either - and - get this - Steve reads the news.

    I have bought a lot of the stuff Steve advertises, as Steve is a shrewd searcher for the best possible deal, which I have always thanked him for.

    Steve's politics are off to the edges, as are Alan Browne's, which is too
    far off center for me (to them, since I'm a centrist, I'm the wacko, simply
    for holding views that weren't fed to me to believe).

    Speaking of views fed to me, my views are my own, and they are always
    backed up by the facts, where I don't say it if it's not a fact, and,
    let's be very very very very very very very clear.

    1. I almost never state a fact wrong. It's almost unheard of.
    (Not because I'm a genius but because I don't say things that aren't
    backed up in the references so my belief system is based on evidence.)

    2. If I do, perchance, make a mistake (e.g., a math error in Covid
    calculations, which Chris kindly pointed out or a subscription price
    omission which nospam pointed, out, I admit it openly and instantly.

    My credibility is the most important asset I own, and if Steve thinks
    I'm not credible, ask him to point out even _one_ instance where he
    says I'm wrong - and I will respond.

    Almost always it's when Steve didn't use the same metrics, by the way,
    when he disagrees with the facts that I state.

    Take the example of the percentage of Android phones with some feature,
    such as 3.5mm jacks or sd slots, and I will run a search for _all_
    Androids, if that's what I'm claiming, and he will run a _different_
    search of only the Androids he likes.

    Those are _different_ statistics.
    Steve always says I'm wrong when he doesn't even _show_ his search.

    I always do.
    You know that.

    I've been on Usenet for as long as anyone so I don't really care, but the result of Steve filtering me out is he _remains_ ignorant of many facts.

    It's his choice to remain ignorant.
    But let's be clear.

    Nobody can show a single fact I've ever stated in all my years on Usenet
    that was wrong - or - if it was - that I didn't instantly readily admit it.

    My ego is NOT tied up in Usenet like theirs is.
    I'm here, and on all the OS newsgroups, for one main reason:
    a. To learn from others and to disseminate knowledge;

    And, specifically for Apple newsgroups, I have another goal...
    b. To prove to the world what strange people the iKooks are.

    If Steve wants to filter me out, so be it.
    It's his loss. Not mine.

    Steve backs up "most" of his facts (although he lied about Verizon
    coverage over T-Mobile for some unknown reason), and I back up mine.

    You can't ask for more, especially since iKooks just make everything up.

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  • From CDB@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Tue Mar 28 12:25:04 2023
    On 3/28/2023 12:18 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:

    sms wrote:

    By that definition YOU cannot consider Arlen a troll since he provides
    cites and somewhat respects you, so why do you filter him out?

    Maybe he's changed, but in the past that was not the case.

    Hehhehheh... Thanks badgolferman for realizing I provide cites for
    everything I claim and, let's be clear, I _test_ the claims of the iKooks.

    I'm like you in that I don't filter out Steve, nor nospam, nor even Jolly Roger, but I did have to filter out Snit & Alan Baker, and even Joerg recently, as they have never added even an iota of value to this ng.

    And let's be clear, I post detailed screenshots _proving_ what I claim.
    I'm highly educated, and therefore I _know_ credibility is critical.

    Steve is fine, with the exception of his Verizon shilling, which I think Steve mentioned he had a fiduciary relationship with them so maybe that's
    why but if it's not that, I can't understand why he shills for them.

    I think Steve's document is pretty good, and definitely extensive, where
    all the iKooks can say is every line out of thousands must be wrong, which just isn't true.

    Steve, to his credit, has earned a college degree, in EE no less, so he's
    not stupid like the iKooks either - and - get this - Steve reads the news.

    I have bought a lot of the stuff Steve advertises, as Steve is a shrewd searcher for the best possible deal, which I have always thanked him for.

    Steve's politics are off to the edges, as are Alan Browne's, which is too
    far off center for me (to them, since I'm a centrist, I'm the wacko, simply for holding views that weren't fed to me to believe).

    Speaking of views fed to me, my views are my own, and they are always
    backed up by the facts, where I don't say it if it's not a fact, and,
    let's be very very very very very very very clear.

    1. I almost never state a fact wrong. It's almost unheard of.
    (Not because I'm a genius but because I don't say things that aren't
    backed up in the references so my belief system is based on evidence.)

    2. If I do, perchance, make a mistake (e.g., a math error in Covid
    calculations, which Chris kindly pointed out or a subscription price
    omission which nospam pointed, out, I admit it openly and instantly.

    My credibility is the most important asset I own, and if Steve thinks
    I'm not credible, ask him to point out even _one_ instance where he
    says I'm wrong - and I will respond.

    Almost always it's when Steve didn't use the same metrics, by the way,
    when he disagrees with the facts that I state.

    Take the example of the percentage of Android phones with some feature,
    such as 3.5mm jacks or sd slots, and I will run a search for _all_
    Androids, if that's what I'm claiming, and he will run a _different_
    search of only the Androids he likes.

    Those are _different_ statistics.
    Steve always says I'm wrong when he doesn't even _show_ his search.

    I always do.
    You know that.

    I've been on Usenet for as long as anyone so I don't really care, but the result of Steve filtering me out is he _remains_ ignorant of many facts.

    It's his choice to remain ignorant.
    But let's be clear.

    Nobody can show a single fact I've ever stated in all my years on Usenet
    that was wrong - or - if it was - that I didn't instantly readily admit it.

    My ego is NOT tied up in Usenet like theirs is.
    I'm here, and on all the OS newsgroups, for one main reason:
    a. To learn from others and to disseminate knowledge;

    And, specifically for Apple newsgroups, I have another goal...
    b. To prove to the world what strange people the iKooks are.

    If Steve wants to filter me out, so be it.
    It's his loss. Not mine.

    Steve backs up "most" of his facts (although he lied about Verizon
    coverage over T-Mobile for some unknown reason), and I back up mine.

    You can't ask for more, especially since iKooks just make everything up.

    Are you saying the people you call ikooks don't back up their denials?
    They do.

    You say something.
    They say it's wrong.

    You provide a cite.
    They say it's wrong.

    You show screen shots.
    They say they're wrong.

    They back up every denial they give you.
    With another denial.

    Everything in that Google document for example, they say is wrong.
    There's nothing you can say that will ever change their minds.

    Whatever you say.
    They say is wrong.

    And they believe it too.

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  • From Sail Fisherman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 29 02:07:03 2023
    On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 16:02:47 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> scrit:

    So we now have the battle of opposing facts!

    Speaking of "opposing facts", did you see the news that Apple has almost *twice* the number of zero-day bugs reported yesterday, than Android did?

    https://www.computerweekly.com/news/365534220/Apple-security-updates-fix-33-iPhone-vulnerabilities
    Apple security updates fix 33 iPhone vulnerabilities

    Why did jolly roger advertise only 18 Android bugs when Apple has 33 of
    them and jolly roger didn't even know about it nor did he write about it.

    Maybe jolly roger is waiting for the Android group to mention it perhaps?

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Sail Fisherman on Tue Mar 28 10:52:05 2023
    On 3/28/2023 10:07 AM, Sail Fisherman wrote:

    <snip>

    Speaking of "opposing facts", did you see the news that Apple has almost *twice* the number of zero-day bugs reported yesterday, than Android did?

    Google has spent a lot of effort on improving security.

    Security researchers agree that high-end Android devices (including
    Samsung devices with Knox) are now the most secure consumer mobile
    devices. See <https://bayton.org/android/gartner-comparison-of-security-controls-for-mobile-devices-2019/>.

    This is a drastic change from ten years ago. But it's good to see that
    Apple appears to be making a strong effort to improve security.


    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Tue Mar 28 16:26:49 2023
    In article <tvv9g9$3riog$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Security researchers agree that high-end Android devices (including
    Samsung devices with Knox) are now the most secure consumer mobile
    devices.

    logical fallacy, and false.

    See

    <https://b

    that doesn't say what you think it does.

    it's nothing more than a checklist, which represents a lack of
    understanding about real world security. it's also not recent, with a
    2019 date. lastly, gartner is a consulting firm, not security experts.

    the reality is the opposite.

    the question is a given phone at risk for its contents to be accessed
    without the owner's permission, and that's overwhelmingly easier for
    android, for a variety of reasons.

    law enforcement, tasked with trying to get into criminal's phones
    without the luxury of a passcode, have a *much* easier time with
    android devices than ios devices.

    recall the san bernardino shooter case, where apple was threatened with
    a lawsuit to make it easier.

    more recently, look at the android baseband hack, where all anyone
    needs is the user's phone number. that's *it*. the user does not need
    to open an email, tap a link or install a nefarious app. that's
    *incredibly* bad.

    nearly all mobile malware targets android.

    apple is almost always first to deploy security enhancements, such as
    secure enclave, mac address filtering, app tracking transparency and
    various other technologies. android generally follows (although they're
    still working on att).

    those who actually understand how things work know that android is
    overall *less* secure, although it has caught up to ios in some ways.

    <https://medium.com/@drsoft/android-vs-ios-security-which-one-is-more-se cure-23f198f06948>
    Oddly enough, researches from Symantec show, after analyzing both
    Android and iOS versions of the apps, that some Android apps request
    more permission than their iOS variation. For example, seven Android
    apps required access to SMS messages while their iOS version didn't.
    This makes you wonder. Why the same app can run on iOS without this
    permission but can't do it on Android devices?
    ...
    Although Android makes significant changes in an effort to prevent
    apps containing malware of hitting its Market place, there are still
    highly ranked apps with numerous downloads that have been found
    to contain malware. The situation is even worse when you install apps
    from somewhere other than the Android official store.
    ...
    Because Android has so many devices that it has to serve and
    more manufacturers into play, it is nearly impossible to update all
    of them at once to the same level of security.

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    App marketplace security
    Winner: iPhone
    ...
    Device manufacturers
    Winner: iPhone
    ...
    Updates to patch vulnerabilities
    Winner: iPhone
    ...
    Support for third party security apps
    Winner: iPhone and Android
    ...
    Operating system source code security
    Winner: iPhone and Android
    ...
    Popularity
    Winner: iPhone
    ...
    iOS vs Android security: The winner is

    So what is more secure: Android or iOS? Studies show that mobile
    malware targets Android much more than iOS, so for this reason,
    and all the others stated in this article, iOS is more secure. While
    you can remove malware from Android and iPhone, its better not
    to get it in the first place.

    Android has been working hard to clean up its act. David
    Kleidermacher, the head of security for Android at Google, has
    even said that Androids security now equals that of its rival, iOS.

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