• iOS 16.4 to bring 31 new emoji, including shaking face, pink heart, two

    From NewsKrawler@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 27 21:44:58 2023
    https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/16/ios-16-4-to-bring-31-new-emoji-including-shaking-face-pink-heart-two-pushing-hands-and-more/
    OS 16.4 to bring 31 new emoji, including shaking face, pink heart, two pushing hands and more!

    It's official, with today's release of the iOS 16.4 developer beta, we're getting our first look at the next set of emoji coming to our iPhones.

    The new set of emoji was originally unveiled during the draft phase last
    year, and not much has changed since - except that the shaking head is now angled, where it wasn't before.

    With these new emoji this will be one of the most sought after iOS releases
    so you may wish to hurry up and get them now before servers get congested.

    Of course, these designs could still change before the final release of iOS 16.4 (and iPadOS 16.4) ships to consumers in the weeks ahead.

    And it wouldn't be surprising if the designs were tweaked, Emojipedia
    notes, as it's happened before with emoji like the peach, troll, and bagel.

    But with the developer beta release, we have a fairly reliable look at
    what's in store, following Unicode's certification of the next version of
    emoji in September 2022, Emoji 15.0.

    Among the highlights are the highly anticipated variations on the heart
    emoji, including the much-in-demand pink heart, plus versions in blue and
    gray. There are also two new pushing hand gestures for both the left and
    right hand, which could be used either as "stop" or together for a high
    five.

    One of the more interesting additions, however, is a shaking face emoji,
    which will likely be used as "I'm shook" by texters.

    Further additions include animals like a donkey, moose, goose, jellyfish,
    and a wing that may fit in with the animals but could use to express flying
    in other more metaphorical ways, too.

    Other new emoji span categories like food and drink, activity, objects, and symbols and include a hyacinth, pea pod, ginger, folding hand fan, hair
    pick, flute, maracas, and Khanda and wireless symbols.

    While these emoji represent how they'll look on Apple devices, Emoji 15.0
    will roll out to all supported platforms sometime in early 2023.

    If you want to play with the emoji now, you'll have to download the iOS
    16.4 beta 1 release, which is available through Apple's Developer Program.
    The final public release is expected to arrive sometime in March or April
    2023.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to NewsKrawler on Mon Mar 27 15:33:39 2023
    On 3/27/2023 2:44 PM, NewsKrawler wrote:
    https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/16/ios-16-4-to-bring-31-new-emoji-including-shaking-face-pink-heart-two-pushing-hands-and-more/
    OS 16.4 to bring 31 new emoji, including shaking face, pink heart, two pushing hands and more!

    It's official, with today's release of the iOS 16.4 developer beta, we're getting our first look at the next set of emoji coming to our iPhones.

    I've had the most recent 16.4 developer beta for several days now.

    Amazingly, I have not used any of the emojis.

    The download was 5GB, and apparently the servers were congested since it
    should have taken only about 90 seconds with my 600Mb/s connection but
    it took a lot longer than that. Then it took a long time "preparing" and
    then a long time installing. The entire process was more than 20
    minutes. Seamless updates are also very time consuming on Android
    devices that support them.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From mike@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Tue Mar 28 04:48:12 2023
    On 28-03-2023 04:03 sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Seamless updates are also very time consuming on Android
    devices that support them.

    Android doesn't update the way iOS does so you can't compare them one to
    one. Android default apps, such as Chrome, are updated usually monthly.

    The Google Play store automatically updates 26 core Android packages on the side also. Android security patches are also updated on the side too.

    Every day Android is updated in small increments, unlike how iOS updates.

    Once a year or thereabouts Android updates the version number by one but
    that yearly update isn't all of Android - it's just a version increase.

    The iOS updates are completely different and can't be directly compared.

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to NewsKrawler on Tue Mar 28 11:08:23 2023
    NewsKrawler wrote:

    https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/16/ios-16-4-to-bring-31-new-emoji-including-shaking-face-pink-heart-two-pushing-hands-and-more/
    OS 16.4 to bring 31 new emoji, including shaking face, pink heart,
    two pushing hands and more!

    It's official, with today's release of the iOS 16.4 developer beta,
    we're getting our first look at the next set of emoji coming to our
    iPhones.

    The new set of emoji was originally unveiled during the draft phase
    last year, and not much has changed since - except that the shaking
    head is now angled, where it wasn't before.

    With these new emoji this will be one of the most sought after iOS
    releases so you may wish to hurry up and get them now before servers
    get congested.

    Of course, these designs could still change before the final release
    of iOS 16.4 (and iPadOS 16.4) ships to consumers in the weeks ahead.

    And it wouldn't be surprising if the designs were tweaked, Emojipedia
    notes, as it's happened before with emoji like the peach, troll, and
    bagel.

    But with the developer beta release, we have a fairly reliable look at
    what's in store, following Unicode's certification of the next
    version of emoji in September 2022, Emoji 15.0.

    Among the highlights are the highly anticipated variations on the
    heart emoji, including the much-in-demand pink heart, plus versions
    in blue and gray. There are also two new pushing hand gestures for
    both the left and right hand, which could be used either as "stop" or >together for a high five.

    One of the more interesting additions, however, is a shaking face
    emoji, which will likely be used as "I'm shook" by texters.

    Further additions include animals like a donkey, moose, goose,
    jellyfish, and a wing that may fit in with the animals but could use
    to express flying in other more metaphorical ways, too.

    Other new emoji span categories like food and drink, activity,
    objects, and symbols and include a hyacinth, pea pod, ginger, folding
    hand fan, hair pick, flute, maracas, and Khanda and wireless symbols.

    While these emoji represent how they'll look on Apple devices, Emoji
    15.0 will roll out to all supported platforms sometime in early 2023.

    If you want to play with the emoji now, you'll have to download the
    iOS 16.4 beta 1 release, which is available through Apple's Developer >Program. The final public release is expected to arrive sometime in
    March or April 2023.


    Wow! All these new emojis were defintely worth a new version and I
    can't wait to upgrade! What amazing upgrades Apple has been giving us
    lately. Yellow iPhones and more emojis...

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to PietB on Tue Mar 28 14:55:02 2023
    On 2023-03-28 14:45, PietB wrote:
    badgolferman wrote:

    Wow! All these new emojis were defintely worth a new version and I
    can't wait to upgrade! What amazing upgrades Apple has been giving us
    lately. Yellow iPhones and more emojis...

    You might not care for the emoji but this is one of the most sought after releases for many people who buy the iPhone specifically for such things.

    The background noise suppression (voice isolation) will be more
    appreciated by people who have to make/receive calls. Annoying having a
    phone meeting with someone who is stuck in an airport with all the noise
    around them.

    Emoji's are not that important to most people - though they may be quite popular for some.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From PietB@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 19:15:19 2023
    Alan Browne wrote:Alan Browne wrote on 28.03.2023 18:55Alan Browne wrote on 28.03.2023 18:55Alan Browne wrote on 28.03.2023 18:55Alan Browne wrote on 28.03.2023 18:55>>> Wow! All these new emojis were defintely worth a new version and I
    can't wait to upgrade! What amazing upgrades Apple has been giving us
    lately. Yellow iPhones and more emojis...

    You might not care for the emoji but this is one of the most sought after
    releases for many people who buy the iPhone specifically for such things.

    The background noise suppression (voice isolation) will be more
    appreciated by people who have to make/receive calls. Annoying having a phone meeting with someone who is stuck in an airport with all the noise around them.

    Emoji's are not that important to most people - though they may be quite popular for some.

    Didn't know about that as all the news talked about were the 31 emojis and
    the 33 new bugs in the iOS 16.4 release, but I like cancellation of noise.

    This says it's the FaceTime noise cancellation but for phone calls now. https://www.theapplepost.com/2023/03/27/iphone-now-features-voice-isolation-feature-to-block-out-ambient-noise-on-cellular-calls/

    This says the background noise cancellation has been around for WhatsApp. https://www.macrumors.com/2023/03/21/ios-16-4-voice-isolation-phone-calls/

    This shows how to enable the voice isolation on the iphone. https://www.igeeksblog.com/how-to-enable-voice-isolation-on-iphone/

    It uses "machine learning" to identify your unique voice print and then
    blocks out the noise around you that isn't unique to your own voice.

    It only works on the latest iphones according to that article above.
    iPhone SE (2nd generation and later)
    iPhone XR, iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max
    iPhone 11 series
    iPhone 12 series
    iPhone 13 series
    iPhone 14 series

    Thanks for saying that as the emojis are what most people want but not me.

    -p

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  • From PietB@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Mar 28 20:45:10 2023
    badgolferman wrote:

    Wow! All these new emojis were defintely worth a new version and I
    can't wait to upgrade! What amazing upgrades Apple has been giving us lately. Yellow iPhones and more emojis...

    You might not care for the emoji but this is one of the most sought after releases for many people who buy the iPhone specifically for such things.

    -p

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to PietB on Tue Mar 28 15:23:48 2023
    On 2023-03-28 15:15, PietB wrote:

    emojis are what most people want

    Rubbish opinion with no foundation.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
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  • From sms@21:1/5 to PietB on Tue Mar 28 12:19:35 2023
    On 3/28/2023 11:45 AM, PietB wrote:
    badgolferman wrote:

    Wow! All these new emojis were defintely worth a new version and I
    can't wait to upgrade! What amazing upgrades Apple has been giving us
    lately. Yellow iPhones and more emojis...

    You might not care for the emoji but this is one of the most sought after releases for many people who buy the iPhone specifically for such things.

    -p

    Not sure whether to laugh or cry if indeed there are people that buy the
    iPhone specifically for such things.


    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From PietB@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Tue Mar 28 19:38:41 2023
    Alan Browne wrote:>> emojis are what most people want

    Rubbish opinion with no foundation.

    Please apologize as it's YOU whose opinion has "no foundation", not mine.

    The only way you could even think it has "no foundation" is if you've been living under a rock and because of that, you haven't ever read the news.

    The news leads with the emojis, not with the bug fixes or noise
    cancellation, and that's my foundation.

    Maybe you need to open up a newspaper to two before you say something
    stupid like your "no foundation" claim that Apple isn't making a very big
    deal of the 31 new emojis first and foremost, and those 33 bugfixes second.

    I'll accept either your apology or if you can prove your point, please do.

    Here is proof of my point that Apple is advertising emoji first & foremost. https://blog.emojipedia.org/ios-16-4-emoji-changelog/ https://blog.emojipedia.org/first-look-new-emojis-in-ios-16-4/ https://www.macworld.com/article/1481562/ios-16-4-release-features-emoji-install.html
    https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/27/23658317/ios-16-4-new-emoji-safari-web-push-notifications-voice-isolation
    https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/ios-16-4-brings-these-new-emoji-to-your-iphone/
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2023/03/28/ios-update-emoji-apple/11555381002/
    https://www.macrumors.com/2023/03/27/apple-releases-ios-16-4/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/03/apple-rolls-out-ios-16-4-and-macos-ventura-13-3-with-new-emoji-and-features/
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11911311/These-new-iOS-16-4-emojis-Apple-iPhones.html
    https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/ios-16-4-brings-these-new-emoji-to-your-iphone/
    https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/27/apple-releases-ios-16-4-with-new-emojis-web-push-notifications-voice-isolation-for-calls-more/
    https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/16/ios-16-4-to-bring-31-new-emoji-including-shaking-face-pink-heart-two-pushing-hands-and-more/
    https://www.tomsguide.com/news/your-iphone-is-getting-21-new-emoji-with-ios-164-heres-all-the-new-options

    Notice that it's emojis as the major update, and everything else secondary.

    Not one of those articles, supplied by Apple marketeers, does NOT mention
    the 31 new emojis first and foremost so you need to either agree or
    apologize for having your false opinion that is based on nothing but your personal dislike of what Apple is advertising as the big deal in 16.4.

    It's you who has an opinion based on absolutely "no foundation", not me.
    Please apologize or prove your point.

    -p

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  • From PietB@21:1/5 to sms on Tue Mar 28 19:44:42 2023
    sms wrote:
    Not sure whether to laugh or cry if indeed there are people that buy the iPhone specifically for such things.

    It's Apple who is promoting the iOS 16.4 emojis first and foremost, not me.

    If you Google for what is new in iOS 16.4, what do you see first & foremost
    as what Apple marketeers have fed the news is the "big deal" in this
    release?

    https://blog.emojipedia.org/ios-16-4-emoji-changelog/ https://blog.emojipedia.org/first-look-new-emojis-in-ios-16-4/ https://www.macworld.com/article/1481562/ios-16-4-release-features-emoji-install.html
    https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/27/23658317/ios-16-4-new-emoji-safari-web-push-notifications-voice-isolation
    https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/ios-16-4-brings-these-new-emoji-to-your-iphone/
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2023/03/28/ios-update-emoji-apple/11555381002/
    https://www.macrumors.com/2023/03/27/apple-releases-ios-16-4/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/03/apple-rolls-out-ios-16-4-and-macos-ventura-13-3-with-new-emoji-and-features/
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11911311/These-new-iOS-16-4-emojis-Apple-iPhones.html
    https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/ios-16-4-brings-these-new-emoji-to-your-iphone/
    https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/27/apple-releases-ios-16-4-with-new-emojis-web-push-notifications-voice-isolation-for-calls-more/
    https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/16/ios-16-4-to-bring-31-new-emoji-including-shaking-face-pink-heart-two-pushing-hands-and-more/
    https://www.tomsguide.com/news/your-iphone-is-getting-21-new-emoji-with-ios-164-heres-all-the-new-options

    It's the 31 emojis that Apple is widely promoting. Not the 33 bugfixes.

    In every article above, it's the emojis that they tout before the "and
    more" which covers nothing in 16.4 really special (other than the emojis).

    If you can find articles promoting everything but the emojis in iOS 16.4,
    then you have better search capabilities than I as I see emojis first & foremost in almost all the press that Apple marketeers gave to publishers.

    -p

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to PietB on Tue Mar 28 13:11:04 2023
    On 3/28/2023 12:44 PM, PietB wrote:

    If you can find articles promoting everything but the emojis in iOS 16.4, then you have better search capabilities than I as I see emojis first & foremost in almost all the press that Apple marketeers gave to publishers.

    The emojis are always mentioned, but the security updates are also
    always mentioned. One other thing that is included in 16.4, finally, is
    5G support on Google Fi. There was some sort of Google-Apple spat that
    delayed this for 2+ years.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to PietB on Tue Mar 28 16:18:24 2023
    On 2023-03-28 15:38, PietB wrote:

    emojis are what most people want <<<<--------

    Alan Browne replied:
    Rubbish opinion with no foundation.

    Please apologize as it's YOU whose opinion has "no foundation", not mine.

    Prove what you wrote above is true and I'll apologize.

    Pro tip: "Most" is defined as greater than 50% of iPhone owners.

    Good luck with your mission.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From PietB@21:1/5 to sms on Wed Mar 29 01:46:28 2023
    sms wrote:

    If you can find articles promoting everything but the emojis in iOS 16.4,
    then you have better search capabilities than I as I see emojis first &
    foremost in almost all the press that Apple marketeers gave to publishers.

    The emojis are always mentioned, but the security updates are also
    always mentioned. One other thing that is included in 16.4, finally, is
    5G support on Google Fi. There was some sort of Google-Apple spat that delayed this for 2+ years.

    Even Apple's own release notes start, first and foremost, with the emoji. [https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213407]

    What does that tell you about what Apple thinks most people care about?

    I'm not saying the bugs aren't discussed in some or even most of the
    articles. What I'm saying is the emojis are discussed first and foremost in almost all of the articles about what's new in iOS 16.4.

    Unlike that other fool who said otherwise, you can confirm it with a search [https://www.google.com/search?q=what%27s+new+in+ios+16.4]

    Almost all results will be talking first & foremost about the new emojis.
    We can assume that means Apple thinks that is what most people care about.]

    This is the first result of that Google search as an example of that. [https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/ios-16-4-the-new-features-that-just-hit-your-iphone/]

    It starts first and foremost with the emoji, which means that Apple has
    told the reports that the big deal in iOS 16.4 is, to Apple, the emojis.

    You can't deny it like that other fool did without some kind of supporting evidence that it's not Apple who supplies this data to reporters.

    All of that what's-new data is provided to the reporters by Apple you know.

    There are details involved, most of which we won't know but we can presume Apple marketing people provided what's new in the release to all the
    publishers they wanted to post a story, and Apple likely provided that days ago, maybe even weeks ago, as Apple knows how to promote a release stream.

    What happened is that late in the same day, Apple, at the closing bell so
    to speak, also published that there were more bugs fixed than there were
    emojis added, likely because Apple didn't want the bug fixes to be the main news.

    There's nothing of any importance in the iOS 16.4 release as far as I can
    tell as that fool who spoke of the noise canceling didn't even know it has
    been there since iOS 15 days (albeit in the Facetime and Whatsapp apps).

    The 5G support on Google Fi I didn't know about but if you look at that
    first result from CNET, it says these are what Apple thinks are important.

    [1] Emojis are first and foremost the most important update
    [2] Facetime/WhatsApp voice isolation comes to phone calls
    [3] Photo duplicates found among shared albums
    [4] Support for PlayStation 5 controller
    [6] Apple Books update has a "page turn curl animation"
    [7] Music app has a minor banner change
    [8] Podcasts GUI gets a minor channels tab change
    [9] You can check your AppleCare status now
    [10] A Focus Mode change for the iPHone 13 Pro or Pro Max camera app
    [11] Apple Wallet widgets are now small, medium and large sized
    [12] Video with strobing flashing lights can be dimmed
    [13] You can switch to a beta testing Apple ID now
    [14] Choctaw and Chickasaw language keyboards are new
    [15] Arabic and Hebrew Siri voices are new
    [16] Then they point you to the Apple Release Notes for iOS 16 [https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213407]

    Those Apple relesae notes start with, first and foremost
    [1] 21 new emoji

    I think I proved my statements that the release is first and foremost about
    the new emoji, which means most likely Apple thinks that is what people
    care about first and foremost.

    Otherwise Apple would have led with something else than the emojis.

    By the way, where is the documentation on the 5G Google Fi as I didn't see
    it in either the Apple release notes for iOS 16.4 or in that CNET article?

    -p

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  • From PietB@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 29 01:26:13 2023
    Alan Browne wrote:Alan Browne wrote on 28.03.2023 22:18Alan Browne wrote on 28.03.2023 22:18>> Please apologize as it's YOU whose opinion has "no foundation", not mine.

    Prove what you wrote above is true and I'll apologize.

    I showed you that almost all the articles you can find today on what's in
    the iOS 16.4 release lead first and foremost with the 31 new emojis.

    You discount that clear and obvious foundation which I proved to you.
    But you provided nothing to back up your foundation that it isn't true.

    Pro tip: "Most" is defined as greater than 50% of iPhone owners.

    Do you realize it's you whose opinion was based on "no foundation?"
    Not mine.

    Good luck with your mission.

    My remarks were solidly based on exactly what I said they were based on.
    Yours were based only on you not liking how Apple is advertising iOS 16.4.

    If you're not going to apologize, even though it's you whose statements had
    "no foundation" whatsoever, let's just leave it at I backed up my remarks.

    You did not (because you could not) back up any of your statements.

    -p

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  • From Bernd Froehlich@21:1/5 to www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid on Wed Mar 29 06:21:49 2023
    On 29. Mar 2023 at 01:26:13 CEST, "PietB"
    <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> wrote:

    I showed you that almost all the articles you can find today on what's in
    the iOS 16.4 release lead first and foremost with the 31 new emojis.

    Man you sure get quite emotional about those emojis...

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 29 11:19:56 2023
    Am 27.03.23 um 23:44 schrieb NewsKrawler:
    https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/16/ios-16-4-to-bring-31-new-emoji-including-shaking-face-pink-heart-two-pushing-hands-and-more/
    OS 16.4 to bring 31 new emoji, including shaking face, pink heart, two pushing hands and more!

    Arlen. Once more you are Troll.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to PietB on Wed Mar 29 09:15:09 2023
    On 2023-03-28 19:26, PietB wrote:

    Pro tip: "Most" is defined as greater than 50% of iPhone owners.

    Do you realize it's you whose opinion was based on "no foundation?"
    Not mine.

    Right. You have no proof of most iPhone owners wanting these new emojis.

    Hot air as usual.

    --
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    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Wed Mar 29 19:11:01 2023
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-28 19:26, PietB wrote:

    Pro tip: "Most" is defined as greater than 50% of iPhone owners.

    Do you realize it's you whose opinion was based on "no foundation?"
    Not mine.

    Right. You have no proof of most iPhone owners wanting these new emojis.

    Hot air as usual.


    Apple thinks so otherwise it wouldn’t be listed first among all the new “enhancements”. And as we are constantly reminded, Apple does all sorts of studies about their user base and know what is “not needed” or “not wanted”. They certainly know what “is wanted” by the user base.

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Wed Mar 29 20:10:32 2023
    Jolly Roger wrote:


    It could just be that Apple knows that the
    slice of the market that would want that feature comprises people who
    are the least likely to keep their devices updated, and targets them
    first in marketing material as a result.

    This is just plain silly. Are you saying Apple tricks people with bait (emojis) to get them to update their phones? If that is true then
    everything Arlen says is true.

    That fact is nobody but
    Apple knows what most iPhone users want - least of all Apple-hating
    trolls.

    Yes, Apple knows their user base best. That's what I've been saying
    all along. This is why emojis are the most important feature to
    highlight.

    Don't make the mistake of thinking it goes unnoticed that the reason
    your little gang is claiming this is the only reason most people buy
    iPhones

    I for one don't think that. I have an iPhone 14 and have had numerous
    iPhones ever since the iPhone 4.

    is to childishly lash out at iPhone users insinuating that
    iPhone users are the ones who are juvenile when it's actually you
    trolls who are being childish. You may think people don't see right
    through this transparent juvenile troll, but you're dead wrong. And
    while Arlen, your dear troll leader, regularly comes right out and
    slings that direct insult at Apple users, calling them iKooks and
    every other childish name in the book, the rest of you are apparently
    too chicken shit to say it outright yourselves, so you resort to this >bullshit instead. You're not fooling any actual adult here.

    It's very clear *you* are not the adult in this room. If you want to
    be then start acting like one.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Mar 29 14:51:01 2023
    badgolferman wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-28 19:26, PietB wrote:

    Pro tip: "Most" is defined as greater than 50% of iPhone owners.

    Do you realize it's you whose opinion was based on "no foundation?"
    Not mine.

    Right. You have no proof of most iPhone owners wanting these new emojis.

    Hot air as usual.


    Apple thinks so otherwise it wouldn’t be listed first among all the new “enhancements”. And as we are constantly reminded, Apple does all sorts of
    studies about their user base and know what is “not needed” or “not wanted”. They certainly know what “is wanted” by the user base.


    I think apple probably lists the security updates after the eye
    candy so as to not draw as much attention to them.

    Same as any other software.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Mar 29 19:45:12 2023
    On 2023-03-29, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-28 19:26, PietB wrote:

    Pro tip: "Most" is defined as greater than 50% of iPhone owners.

    Do you realize it's you whose opinion was based on "no foundation?"
    Not mine.

    Right. You have no proof of most iPhone owners wanting these new
    emojis.

    Hot air as usual.

    Apple thinks so otherwise it wouldn’t be listed first

    That's a non sequitor. It could just be that Apple knows that the slice
    of the market that would want that feature comprises people who are the
    least likely to keep their devices updated, and targets them first in
    marketing material as a result. That fact is nobody but Apple knows what
    most iPhone users want - least of all Apple-hating trolls.

    Don't make the mistake of thinking it goes unnoticed that the reason
    your little gang is claiming this is the only reason most people buy
    iPhones is to childishly lash out at iPhone users insinuating that
    iPhone users are the ones who are juvenile when it's actually you trolls
    who are being childish. You may think people don't see right through
    this transparent juvenile troll, but you're dead wrong. And while Arlen,
    your dear troll leader, regularly comes right out and slings that direct
    insult at Apple users, calling them iKooks and every other childish name
    in the book, the rest of you are apparently too chicken shit to say it
    outright yourselves, so you resort to this bullshit instead. You're not
    fooling any actual adult here.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Wed Mar 29 20:15:55 2023
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    I think apple probably lists the security updates after the eye candy
    so as to not draw as much attention to them.

    This is the most reasonable explanation provided. Too bad nospam and
    Jolly Roger couldn't admit Apple's security updates are something they
    didn't want noticed.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Mar 29 22:39:25 2023
    On 2023-03-29, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    It could just be that Apple knows that the slice of the market that
    would want that feature comprises people who are the least likely to
    keep their devices updated, and targets them first in marketing
    material as a result.

    This is just plain silly.

    Nope, just realistic.

    Are you saying Apple tricks people with bait (emojis) to get them to
    update their phones?

    Marketing is about attracting certain market segments to a product. If
    you need to classify that as "tricking with bait", that's a "you"
    problem. The rest of the adults recognize it as a simple marketing
    tactic that most successful companies use.

    everything Arlen says is true.

    Trolls gotta stick together.

    That fact is nobody but Apple knows what most iPhone users want -
    least of all Apple-hating trolls.

    Yes, Apple knows their user base best. That's what I've been saying
    all along. This is why emojis are the most important feature to
    highlight.

    Again, you don't know which segment of the market Apple is addressing
    with that, and it isn't necessarily the largest segment.

    Don't make the mistake of thinking it goes unnoticed that the reason
    your little gang is claiming this is the only reason most people buy
    iPhones

    I for one don't think that. I have an iPhone 14 and have had numerous iPhones ever since the iPhone 4.

    That doesn't prevent you from trolling. Those aren't two mutually
    exclusive things, as you are showing here.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Mar 29 18:39:45 2023
    On 2023-03-29 18:19, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-03-29 15:10, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    calling them iKooks

    Actually, I used to refer to you strange abnormal people as "apologists".

    Whatever words you use, you wouldn't dare say them to anyone's face.

    You assume it's been out in public any time in the last 20 years.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Mar 29 20:10:08 2023
    badgolferman wrote:
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    I think apple probably lists the security updates after the eye candy
    so as to not draw as much attention to them.

    This is the most reasonable explanation provided. Too bad nospam and
    Jolly Roger couldn't admit Apple's security updates are something they
    didn't want noticed.


    Those guys are important developers, so they have to toe the line.
    Give them some slack. They know a lot of apple stuff we don't.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to PietB on Fri Mar 31 03:17:49 2023
    On 2023-03-28, PietB <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> wrote:

    It's the 31 emojis that Apple is widely promoting. Not the 33 bugfixes.


    Has anyone considered that promoting the 31 emojis causes people to
    update and get the 33 bugfixes that Apple really wants them to have?

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Mar 31 12:09:26 2023
    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2023-03-28, PietB <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> wrote:

    It's the 31 emojis that Apple is widely promoting. Not the 33
    bugfixes.


    Has anyone considered that promoting the 31 emojis causes people to
    update and get the 33 bugfixes that Apple really wants them to have?

    That's already been mentioned in this thread. The mere idea that Apple
    has to entice people with emojis for them to install security updates
    says a lot about the users.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Fri Mar 31 08:25:35 2023
    In article <xn0nzztws19anr2002@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:


    That's already been mentioned in this thread. The mere idea that Apple
    has to entice people with emojis for them to install security updates
    says a lot about the users.

    there is no evidence that apple had to do it to entice people, given
    that the updates are automatic for nearly everyone and will occur no
    matter what it said.

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  • From wasbit@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 31 17:44:10 2023
    "badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com>" wrote in message <news:xn0nzztws19anr2002@reader443.eternal-september.org>...

    On 2023-03-28, PietB <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> wrote:

    It's the 31 emojis that Apple is widely promoting. Not the 33
    bugfixes.


    Has anyone considered that promoting the 31 emojis causes people to
    update and get the 33 bugfixes that Apple really wants them to have?

    That's already been mentioned in this thread. The mere idea that Apple
    has to entice people with emojis for them to install security updates
    says a lot about the users.

    If you look carefully at the timeline of Apple promotions, the 31 emojis
    were promoted for some time and even on the day of the release, at 6 am
    east coast time the emojis were all the rage of the Apple press releases.

    The 33 bugfixes silently slipped in at closing time on the west coast was
    an afterthought Apple couldn't ignore so Apple begrudgingly admitted them.

    Apple press releases wanted all the rage to be the 31 emojis.
    The cynicism of more bugs than emojis is for your irony meter to display.
    --
    Regards
    wasbit

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Mar 31 16:25:59 2023
    On 31 Mar 2023 at 1:25:35 PM, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    That's already been mentioned in this thread. The mere idea that Apple
    has to entice people with emojis for them to install security updates
    says a lot about the users.

    there is no evidence that apple had to do it to entice people, given
    that the updates are automatic for nearly everyone and will occur no
    matter what it said.

    Obviously Apple feels a yellow body is an important differentiation feature (which is only allowed in iPhone 14s as part of Apple's enticement policy).

    Apple knows its customer.

    By knowing its customer, Apple has the same problem every company has which
    is differentiating their offering from everyone else by providing something
    the other guy doesn't have that Apple feels is important enough to Apple customers to entice them not go to the competition but to stay with Apple.

    A company's differentiation strategy tells you what the company thinks its customers care about when choosing between Apple & Apple's competitors.

    Obviously Apple feels emojis are extremely important to its customer base.
    --
    Cheers, Rob

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net on Fri Mar 31 16:29:57 2023
    On 31 Mar 2023 at 4:17:49 AM, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    It's the 31 emojis that Apple is widely promoting. Not the 33 bugfixes.

    Has anyone considered that promoting the 31 emojis causes people to
    update and get the 33 bugfixes that Apple really wants them to have?

    Apple knows what its customers want.
    Apple promoted only the emojis.

    Apple didn't even mention the bug fixes in the many release promotions.
    Only quietly, way later than the emojis were promoted, were fixes noted.

    Obviously Apple feels emojis are extremely important to its customer base.
    Not bug fixes.
    --
    Cheers, Rob

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to RJH on Fri Mar 31 14:18:39 2023
    On 2023-03-31 11:25, RJH wrote:
    On 31 Mar 2023 at 1:25:35 PM, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    That's already been mentioned in this thread. The mere idea that Apple
    has to entice people with emojis for them to install security updates
    says a lot about the users.

    there is no evidence that apple had to do it to entice people, given
    that the updates are automatic for nearly everyone and will occur no
    matter what it said.

    Obviously Apple feels a yellow body is an important differentiation feature (which is only allowed in iPhone 14s as part of Apple's enticement policy).

    Apple knows its customer.

    By knowing its customer, Apple has the same problem every company has which is differentiating their offering from everyone else by providing something the other guy doesn't have that Apple feels is important enough to Apple customers to entice them not go to the competition but to stay with Apple.

    A company's differentiation strategy tells you what the company thinks its customers care about when choosing between Apple & Apple's competitors.

    Obviously Apple feels emojis are extremely important to its customer base.

    More obviously, despite clear explanations, you don't understand that
    Apple's customer base is not monolithic in its needs and tastes.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to RJH on Fri Mar 31 14:20:45 2023
    On 2023-03-31 11:29, RJH wrote:
    fixes that Apple really wants them to have?
    Apple knows what its customers want.
    Apple promoted only the emojis.

    Apple didn't even mention the bug fixes in the many release promotions.
    Only quietly, way later than the emojis were promoted, were fixes noted.

    Not so. They also announced, at the same time, other improvements,
    notably the background voice suppression - something I welcome - and
    hope that my Monday 10:00 am correspondent will have updated his phone
    before he calls. Always noisy in his office.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Fri Mar 31 18:38:09 2023
    On 2023-03-31, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-03-31 11:29, RJH wrote:

    fixes that Apple really wants them to have?

    Apple knows what its customers want. Apple promoted only the emojis.

    Apple didn't even mention the bug fixes in the many release
    promotions. Only quietly, way later than the emojis were promoted,
    were fixes noted.

    Not so. They also announced, at the same time, other improvements,
    notably the background voice suppression - something I welcome - and
    hope that my Monday 10:00 am correspondent will have updated his phone
    before he calls. Always noisy in his office.

    The troll gang's lies are pathetically weak. Apple listed everything
    together:

    <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213407#164>
    ---
    iOS 16.4

    This update introduces 21 new emoji and includes other enhancements, bug
    fixes, and security updates for your iPhone.

    This update includes the following enhancements and bug fixes:

    * 21 new emoji including animals, hand gestures, and objects are now
    available in emoji keyboard

    * Notifications for web apps added to the Home Screen

    * Voice Isolation for cellular calls prioritizes your voice and blocks
    out ambient noise around you

    * Duplicates album in Photos expands support to detect duplicate photos
    and videos in an iCloud Shared Photo Library

    * VoiceOver support for maps in the Weather app

    * Accessibility setting to automatically dim video when flashes of light
    or strobe effects are detected

    * Fixes an issue where Ask to Buy requests from children may fail to
    appear on the parent's device

    * Addresses issues where Matter-compatible thermostats could become
    unresponsive when paired to Apple Home

    * Crash Detection optimizations on iPhone 14 and iP
  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Fri Mar 31 19:22:48 2023
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213407#164>
    ---
    iOS 16.4

    This update introduces 21 new emoji and includes other enhancements, bug fixes, and security updates for your iPhone.

    This update includes the following enhancements and bug fixes:

    * 21 new emoji including animals, hand gestures, and objects are now
    available in emoji keyboard



    Is it 21 or 31 new emojis? This is very important!

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com on Fri Mar 31 23:38:56 2023
    On 31 Mar 2023 at 7:22:48 PM, badgolferman
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    Is it 21 or 31 new emojis? This is very important!

    It's only 21 based on this official Apple 16.4 release note.

    "21 new emoji including animals, hand gestures,
    and objects are now available in emoji keyboard."

    You won't have trouble finding it as it's the number one improvement. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213407
    --
    Cheers, Rob

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Fri Mar 31 23:26:49 2023
    On 31 Mar 2023 at 7:20:45 PM, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    Not so. They also announced, at the same time, other improvements,
    notably the background voice suppression - something I welcome - and
    hope that my Monday 10:00 am correspondent will have updated his phone
    before he calls. Always noisy in his office.

    What is the number one item listed in Apple's iOS 16.4 release notes? https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213407

    --
    Cheers, Rob

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Fri Mar 31 23:41:39 2023
    On 31 Mar 2023 at 7:18:39 PM, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    More obviously, despite clear explanations, you don't understand that
    Apple's customer base is not monolithic in its needs and tastes.

    You're the one making ridiculous claims that Apple's customer base is more "diverse" than that of its key competitors, namely Microsoft & Android.

    Your claims are absurd, which is why I suggest you open up a newspaper
    or read a news report before you keep proving your "enormous void."
    --
    Cheers, Rob

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to RJH on Fri Mar 31 23:26:49 2023
    RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
    On 31 Mar 2023 at 7:22:48 PM, badgolferman
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    Is it 21 or 31 new emojis? This is very important!

    It's only 21 based on this official Apple 16.4 release note.

    "21 new emoji including animals, hand gestures,
    and objects are now available in emoji keyboard."

    You won't have trouble finding it as it's the number one improvement. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213407

    Only 21 new emojis? That hardly makes it worth the upgrade to 16.4!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to RJH on Sat Apr 1 02:21:28 2023
    On 2023-03-31 08:25, RJH wrote:
    On 31 Mar 2023 at 1:25:35 PM, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    That's already been mentioned in this thread. The mere idea that Apple
    has to entice people with emojis for them to install security updates
    says a lot about the users.

    there is no evidence that apple had to do it to entice people, given
    that the updates are automatic for nearly everyone and will occur no
    matter what it said.

    Obviously Apple feels a yellow body is an important differentiation feature (which is only allowed in iPhone 14s as part of Apple's enticement policy).

    Nope. That is not obvious and you have no evidence that it's true...

    ...but keep whining.

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