Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by having their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose access to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode. https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or provide them your passcode.
Chris wrote:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by
having
their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose
access
to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or
provide
them your passcode.
Does apple have a fix planned to patch this?
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by having their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose access to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode. https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or provide them your passcode.
On 2023-04-19 19:25, Hank Rogers wrote:
Chris wrote:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by
having their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can
irreversibly lose access to your AppleID with a thief only needing
your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or
provide them your passcode.
Does apple have a fix planned to patch this?
Fix what?
Patch what?
If I lose control of the the keys to my car I can't really complain much
if someone steals it and sends it off to Africa.
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by having their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose access to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-p
assword-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or provide them your passcode.
Does apple have a fix planned to patch this?
On 2023-04-19 18:23, Chris wrote:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by having >> their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose access >> to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or provide >> them your passcode.
This is an extension of the story last month (or so) where people lurk
and get your passcode prior to stealing your phone. Indeed the WSJ have updated the story recently with how hard it can be to recover your account.
In these cases people tend to have easy "to gather by lurking" passcodes
(4 digit) and of course be more careful with their phones when out and
about.
In article <QL_%L.331231$ZhSc.277622@fx38.iad>, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by having >>> their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose access >>> to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-p
assword-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or provide >>> them your passcode.
Does apple have a fix planned to patch this?
in fact, they do.
according to anonymous sources deep within the supply chain, apple will include two blindfolds beginning with the iphone 15 to be distributed
to people nearby so that they cannot see passcodes or any other user
action. blindfolds will be available for existing iphone owners and
there will be an option to add a custom emoji.
On 2023-04-19 19:25, Hank Rogers wrote:
Chris wrote:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by
having
their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose
access
to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or
provide
them your passcode.
Does apple have a fix planned to patch this?
Fix what?
Patch what?
If I lose control of the the keys to my car I can't really complain much
if someone steals it and sends it off to Africa.
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by having their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose access to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode. https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or provide them your passcode.
Am 20.04.23 um 00:23 schrieb Chris:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by having >> their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose access >> to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or provide >> them your passcode.
Only idiots use passcodes in crowded public places. Guess why iPhones,
iPads and Macs offer access via biometric means i.e. fingerprint and
face recognition?
On 20/04/2023 at 07:36, Chris wrote:
The issue is that Apple shouldn't allow you to change your AppleID password >> or reset a recovery key with only your passcode.
I think that is the crucial point.
On 20/04/2023 at 08:32, Wilf wrote:
On 20/04/2023 at 07:36, Chris wrote:
The issue is that Apple shouldn't allow you to change your AppleID password >>> or reset a recovery key with only your passcode.
I think that is the crucial point.
... although of course the other factors in MFA would likely involve the
same phone receiving a texted code or email with a code in it. That wouldn't actually help in such a case.
The issue is that Apple shouldn't allow you to change your AppleID password or reset a recovery key with only your passcode.
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Only idiots use passcodes in crowded public places. Guess why iPhones,
iPads and Macs offer access via biometric means i.e. fingerprint and
face recognition?
The amount of victim blaming going on here is depressing.
As you well know iOS (and macOS) forces you to use your passcode/password
on a regular basis. Plus, there's the multitude of times that Face ID
doesn't work and you need to resort to passcode.
What do you suggest people do? Not pay for the tank fuel they've just put
in the car or the meal they've just eaten?
Do none of you live in the real world?
On 20/04/2023 at 07:36, Chris wrote:
The issue is that Apple shouldn't allow you to change your AppleID password >> or reset a recovery key with only your passcode.
I think that is the crucial point.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-19 18:23, Chris wrote:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by having >>> their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose access >>> to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or provide >>> them your passcode.
This is an extension of the story last month (or so) where people lurk
and get your passcode prior to stealing your phone. Indeed the WSJ have
updated the story recently with how hard it can be to recover your account.
Not just hard, impossible.
In these cases people tend to have easy "to gather by lurking" passcodes
(4 digit) and of course be more careful with their phones when out and
about.
The issue is that Apple shouldn't allow you to change your AppleID password or reset a recovery key with only your passcode.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-19 19:25, Hank Rogers wrote:
Chris wrote:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by
having
their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose
access
to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or
provide
them your passcode.
Does apple have a fix planned to patch this?
Fix what?
Patch what?
It's a serious vulnerability. A thief shouldn't be able to permanently lock you out of your account with only the passcode. Given that everywhere else has MFA why doesn't this critical step have it?
If I lose control of the the keys to my car I can't really complain much
if someone steals it and sends it off to Africa.
Nice story.
On 20/04/2023 at 07:36, Chris wrote:
The issue is that Apple shouldn't allow you to change your AppleID
password
or reset a recovery key with only your passcode.
I think that is the crucial point.
On 20/04/2023 at 08:32, Wilf wrote:
On 20/04/2023 at 07:36, Chris wrote:
The issue is that Apple shouldn't allow you to change your AppleID
password
or reset a recovery key with only your passcode.
I think that is the crucial point.
... although of course the other factors in MFA would likely involve the
same phone receiving a texted code or email with a code in it. That wouldn't actually help in such a case.
On 2023-04-20 02:36, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-19 18:23, Chris wrote:Not just hard, impossible.
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by having >>>> their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose access
to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or provide
them your passcode.
This is an extension of the story last month (or so) where people lurk
and get your passcode prior to stealing your phone. Indeed the WSJ have >>> updated the story recently with how hard it can be to recover your account. >>
In these cases people tend to have easy "to gather by lurking" passcodes >>> (4 digit) and of course be more careful with their phones when out and
about.
The issue is that Apple shouldn't allow you to change your AppleID password >> or reset a recovery key with only your passcode.
If people would have more robust passcodes, protect the entry of it
(when in bars, etc), protect their phone from theft, then such would not occur.
Apple _could_ make account recovery easier if it would allow the
registration of government issued ID. Then one could use that to
recover accounts.
On 2023-04-20 02:41, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-19 19:25, Hank Rogers wrote:
Chris wrote:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by
having
their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose >>>>> access
to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or
provide
them your passcode.
Does apple have a fix planned to patch this?
Fix what?
Patch what?
It's a serious vulnerability. A thief shouldn't be able to permanently lock >> you out of your account with only the passcode. Given that everywhere else >> has MFA why doesn't this critical step have it?
If someone uses your crappy 4 or 6 digit code
that he picked up looking
over your shoulder before taking the phone you cavalierly left on the
bar, he'd get the MFA on the very same phone ... pretty useless.
See my other reply.
If I lose control of the the keys to my car I can't really complain much >>> if someone steals it and sends it off to Africa.
Nice story.
Actually happens on the east coast of North America daily in droves - although mostly not even with the keys - but that happens too.
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 20.04.23 um 00:23 schrieb Chris:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by having >>> their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose access >>> to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or provide >>> them your passcode.
Only idiots use passcodes in crowded public places. Guess why iPhones,
iPads and Macs offer access via biometric means i.e. fingerprint and
face recognition?
The amount of victim blaming going on here is depressing.
Am 20.04.23 um 09:52 schrieb Chris:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Only idiots use passcodes in crowded public places. Guess why iPhones,
iPads and Macs offer access via biometric means i.e. fingerprint and
face recognition?
The amount of victim blaming going on here is depressing.
As you well know iOS (and macOS) forces you to use your passcode/password
on a regular basis. Plus, there's the multitude of times that Face ID
doesn't work and you need to resort to passcode.
Not really the case here.
iOS is not Android.
What do you suggest people do? Not pay for the tank fuel they've just put
in the car or the meal they've just eaten?
Do none of you live in the real world?
Obviously more than others.
If someone uses your crappy 4 or 6 digit code
No-one's going to have a 25 character alphanumeric passcode on the
lockscreen to type several times a day.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-20 02:41, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-19 19:25, Hank Rogers wrote:
Chris wrote:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by >>>>>> having
their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose >>>>>> access
to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or >>>>>> provide
them your passcode.
Does apple have a fix planned to patch this?
Fix what?
Patch what?
It's a serious vulnerability. A thief shouldn't be able to permanently lock >>> you out of your account with only the passcode. Given that everywhere else >>> has MFA why doesn't this critical step have it?
If someone uses your crappy 4 or 6 digit code
No-one's going to have a 25 character alphanumeric passcode on the
lockscreen to type several times a day.
that he picked up looking
over your shoulder before taking the phone you cavalierly left on the
bar, he'd get the MFA on the very same phone ... pretty useless.
There's other options. A company as clever as Apple should be able to sort
it out.
See my other reply.
If I lose control of the the keys to my car I can't really complain much >>>> if someone steals it and sends it off to Africa.
Nice story.
Actually happens on the east coast of North America daily in droves -
although mostly not even with the keys - but that happens too.
Not my point. It's an irrelevant analogy. Stealing a phone and having
access to itsits contents is nothing like the same as stealing a set of car keys.
In article <Job0M.336707$ZhSc.123554@fx38.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
At that point it's rubber house decryption.
people in rubber houses shouldn't throw stones.
At that point it's rubber house decryption.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-20 02:41, Chris wrote:
It's a serious vulnerability. A thief shouldn't be able to
permanently lock you out of your account with only the passcode.
Given that everywhere else has MFA why doesn't this critical step
have it?
If someone uses your crappy 4 or 6 digit code
No-one's going to have a 25 character alphanumeric passcode on the
lockscreen to type several times a day.
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 20.04.23 um 00:23 schrieb Chris:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by
having their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can
irreversibly lose access to your AppleID with a thief only needing
your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or
provide them your passcode.
Only idiots use passcodes in crowded public places. Guess why
iPhones, iPads and Macs offer access via biometric means i.e.
fingerprint and face recognition?
The amount of victim blaming going on here is depressing.
As you well know iOS (and macOS) forces you to use your
passcode/password on a regular basis.
Plus, there's the multitude of times that Face ID
doesn't work and you need to resort to passcode.
What do you suggest people do?
Do none of you live in the real world?
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 20.04.23 um 00:23 schrieb Chris:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by having >>> their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose access >>> to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or provide >>> them your passcode.
Only idiots use passcodes in crowded public places. Guess why iPhones,
iPads and Macs offer access via biometric means i.e. fingerprint and
face recognition?
The amount of victim blaming going on here is depressing.
As you well know iOS (and macOS) forces you to use your passcode/password
on a regular basis. Plus, there's the multitude of times that Face ID
doesn't work and you need to resort to passcode.
What do you suggest people do? Not pay for the tank fuel they've just put
in the car or the meal they've just eaten?
Do none of you live in the real world?
In article <u1re7l$k0ru$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
If someone uses your crappy 4 or 6 digit code
No-one's going to have a 25 character alphanumeric passcode on the
lockscreen to type several times a day.
first of all, there is no need to enter the passcode at all during the
day, let alone several times, because the phone is unlocked with face
id or touch id.
second, a passcode is required approximately *once* *a* *week*,
depending on various factors. this is by design so that using a long
passcode is a realistic option.
third, a long *numeric* passcode is more than sufficient to prevent
casual shoulder-surfing and is very easy to tap in since a numeric
keypad will appear versus a keyboard. 10 digits should suffice, but
longer is obviously more secure. a phone number that is not associated
with the user works well, such as one from childhood.
another advantage is that there is no indication as to how many digits
it actually is, so anyone who does manage to watch it being tapped in
won't know if they missed a digit or have one too many.
On 2023-04-20 09:20, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-20 02:41, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-19 19:25, Hank Rogers wrote:
Chris wrote:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by >>>>>>> having
their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose >>>>>>> access
to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or >>>>>>> provide
them your passcode.
Does apple have a fix planned to patch this?
Fix what?
Patch what?
It's a serious vulnerability. A thief shouldn't be able to
permanently lock
you out of your account with only the passcode. Given that
everywhere else
has MFA why doesn't this critical step have it?
If someone uses your crappy 4 or 6 digit code
No-one's going to have a 25 character alphanumeric passcode on the
lockscreen to type several times a day.
Mine is 10 mixed chars. OTOH, I use FaceID to open the phone.
1Password password is longer - so they can't get at my bank account app
if they manage to hold me down and get my FaceID.
At that point it's rubber house decryption.
that he picked up looking
over your shoulder before taking the phone you cavalierly left on the
bar, he'd get the MFA on the very same phone ... pretty useless.
There's other options. A company as clever as Apple should be able to
sort
it out.
See my other reply.
If I lose control of the the keys to my car I can't really complain
much
if someone steals it and sends it off to Africa.
Nice story.
Actually happens on the east coast of North America daily in droves -
although mostly not even with the keys - but that happens too.
Not my point. It's an irrelevant analogy. Stealing a phone and having
access to itsits contents is nothing like the same as stealing a set
of car
keys.
Irrelevant to you because it pisses all over your case.
On 2023-04-20 03:52, Chris wrote:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 20.04.23 um 00:23 schrieb Chris:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by
having
their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose
access
to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or
provide
them your passcode.
Only idiots use passcodes in crowded public places. Guess why iPhones,
iPads and Macs offer access via biometric means i.e. fingerprint and
face recognition?
The amount of victim blaming going on here is depressing.
There are unforced errors and forced errors.
These are unforced errors that the phone owners could easily have
prevented:
1) Longer, more complex pass code: ELEMENTARY
2) Hide the code while entering it in public: EASY-PEASY
3) Don't leave your phone on the bar 'cause it's cool: DUH!
If someone uses your crappy 4 or 6 digit code
No-one's going to have a 25 character alphanumeric passcode on the
lockscreen to type several times a day.
first of all, there is no need to enter the passcode at all during the
day, let alone several times, because the phone is unlocked with face
id or touch id.
In normal usage, supposedly, however, in practice faceid doesn't always
work.
second, a passcode is required approximately *once* *a* *week*,
depending on various factors. this is by design so that using a long passcode is a realistic option.
That's technically the minimal usecase. In practice it's more often.
third, a long *numeric* passcode is more than sufficient to prevent
casual shoulder-surfing and is very easy to tap in since a numeric
keypad will appear versus a keyboard. 10 digits should suffice, but
longer is obviously more secure. a phone number that is not associated
with the user works well, such as one from childhood.
Many people struggle with normal PINs. A 10-digit passcode is a
non-starter for them.
A stolen car is easily replaceable with insurance. I lifetime of photos?
Not so much.
On 20/04/2023 14:43, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-04-20 03:52, Chris wrote:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 20.04.23 um 00:23 schrieb Chris:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by
having
their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly
lose access
to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or
provide
them your passcode.
Only idiots use passcodes in crowded public places. Guess why iPhones, >>>> iPads and Macs offer access via biometric means i.e. fingerprint and
face recognition?
The amount of victim blaming going on here is depressing.
There are unforced errors and forced errors.
These are unforced errors that the phone owners could easily have
prevented:
1) Longer, more complex pass code: ELEMENTARY
Ableist BS.
2) Hide the code while entering it in public: EASY-PEASY
Ableist BS.
3) Don't leave your phone on the bar 'cause it's cool: DUH!No-one does it because it's cool, grandad. There are many ways a phone
is stolen that don't require blaming the victim.
Lol. Sure. An analogy always pisses over reality... <sigh>
Actually happens on the east coast of North America daily in droves -
although mostly not even with the keys - but that happens too.
Not my point. It's an irrelevant analogy. Stealing a phone and having
access to itsits contents is nothing like the same as stealing a set
of car
keys.
Irrelevant to you because it pisses all over your case.
A stolen car is easily replaceable with insurance. I lifetime of photos?
Not so much.
On 20/04/2023 14:48, nospam wrote:
In article <u1re7l$k0ru$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
If someone uses your crappy 4 or 6 digit code
No-one's going to have a 25 character alphanumeric passcode on the
lockscreen to type several times a day.
first of all, there is no need to enter the passcode at all during
the day, let alone several times, because the phone is unlocked with
face id or touch id.
In normal usage, supposedly, however, in practice faceid doesn't
always work.
On 2023-04-20 12:09, Chris wrote:
A stolen car is easily replaceable with insurance. I lifetime of
photos? Not so much.
ROFL. WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND KEEPS ALL THEIR PRECIOUS PHOTOS SOLELY
ON iCLOUD or ANY OTHER CLOUD?
HOW FUCKING DUMB ARE PEOPLE ANYWAY?
On 20/04/2023 14:43, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-04-20 03:52, Chris wrote:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 20.04.23 um 00:23 schrieb Chris:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money
by having their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can
irreversibly lose access to your AppleID with a thief only needing
your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see
or provide them your passcode.
Only idiots use passcodes in crowded public places. Guess why
iPhones, iPads and Macs offer access via biometric means i.e.
fingerprint and face recognition?
The amount of victim blaming going on here is depressing.
There are unforced errors and forced errors.
These are unforced errors that the phone owners could easily have
prevented:
1) Longer, more complex pass code: ELEMENTARY
Ableist BS.
On 2023-04-20 00:52, Chris wrote:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 20.04.23 um 00:23 schrieb Chris:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by
having their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can
irreversibly lose access to your AppleID with a thief only needing
your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or
provide them your passcode.
Only idiots use passcodes in crowded public places. Guess why
iPhones, iPads and Macs offer access via biometric means i.e.
fingerprint and face recognition?
The amount of victim blaming going on here is depressing.
As you well know iOS (and macOS) forces you to use your
passcode/password on a regular basis. Plus, there's the multitude of
times that Face ID doesn't work and you need to resort to passcode.
No. iOS and macOS do NOT force you to use a passcode/password on a
regular basis.
What do you suggest people do? Not pay for the tank fuel they've just
put in the car or the meal they've just eaten?
I've used my phone to use Apple wallet for a very long time now.
I have NEVER needed to use my passcode to do so.
... although of course the other factors in MFA would likely involve the
same phone receiving a texted code or email with a code in it. That wouldn't actually help in such a case.
first of all, there is no need to enter the passcode at all during
the day, let alone several times, because the phone is unlocked with
face id or touch id.
In normal usage, supposedly, however, in practice faceid doesn't
always work.
You are completely full of shit if you think Face ID fails 25 time a day
or even close to that. Your trolls are lame, as always.
That is why there's a need to be able to individually lock apps, with a different passcode or with biometrics.
On 20/04/2023 14:48, nospam wrote:
In article <u1re7l$k0ru$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
If someone uses your crappy 4 or 6 digit code
No-one's going to have a 25 character alphanumeric passcode on the
lockscreen to type several times a day.
first of all, there is no need to enter the passcode at all during the
day, let alone several times, because the phone is unlocked with face
id or touch id.
In normal usage, supposedly, however, in practice faceid doesn't always
work.
In article <kadf0jFpid9U2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
first of all, there is no need to enter the passcode at all during
the day, let alone several times, because the phone is unlocked with
face id or touch id.
In normal usage, supposedly, however, in practice faceid doesn't
always work.
You are completely full of shit if you think Face ID fails 25 time a day
or even close to that. Your trolls are lame, as always.
maybe it's dark where he is. turning on a room light would fix that.
On 2023-04-20 03:52, Chris wrote:
The amount of victim blaming going on here is depressing.
There are unforced errors and forced errors.
These are unforced errors that the phone owners could easily have prevented:
1) Longer, more complex pass code: ELEMENTARY
2) Hide the code while entering it in public: EASY-PEASY
3) Don't leave your phone on the bar 'cause it's cool: DUH!
On 20/04/2023 14:43, Alan Browne wrote:
These are unforced errors that the phone owners could easily have
prevented:
1) Longer, more complex pass code: ELEMENTARY
Ableist BS.
2) Hide the code while entering it in public: EASY-PEASY
Ableist BS.
3) Don't leave your phone on the bar 'cause it's cool: DUH!No-one does it because it's cool, grandad. There are many ways a phone
is stolen that don't require blaming the victim.
Am 20.04.23 um 15:43 schrieb Alan Browne:
On 2023-04-20 03:52, Chris wrote:
The amount of victim blaming going on here is depressing.
There are unforced errors and forced errors.
These are unforced errors that the phone owners could easily have prevented: >>
1) Longer, more complex pass code: ELEMENTARY
2) Hide the code while entering it in public: EASY-PEASY
3) Don't leave your phone on the bar 'cause it's cool: DUH!
There is even more: Use biometrics or apply your proposed measures.
I simply have difficulties to reconcile the issue.
On 2023-04-20 00:52, Chris wrote:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 20.04.23 um 00:23 schrieb Chris:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by having >>>> their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose access
to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or provide
them your passcode.
Only idiots use passcodes in crowded public places. Guess why iPhones,
iPads and Macs offer access via biometric means i.e. fingerprint and
face recognition?
The amount of victim blaming going on here is depressing.
As you well know iOS (and macOS) forces you to use your passcode/password
on a regular basis. Plus, there's the multitude of times that Face ID
doesn't work and you need to resort to passcode.
No. iOS and macOS do NOT force you to use a passcode/password on a
regular basis.
What do you suggest people do? Not pay for the tank fuel they've just put
in the car or the meal they've just eaten?
I've used my phone to use Apple wallet for a very long time now.
I have NEVER needed to use my passcode to do so.
Do none of you live in the real world?
Am 20.04.23 um 18:16 schrieb Chris:
On 20/04/2023 14:43, Alan Browne wrote:
These are unforced errors that the phone owners could easily have
prevented:
1) Longer, more complex pass code: ELEMENTARY
Ableist BS.
2) Hide the code while entering it in public: EASY-PEASY
Ableist BS.
3) Don't leave your phone on the bar 'cause it's cool: DUH!No-one does it because it's cool, grandad. There are many ways a phone
is stolen that don't require blaming the victim.
Stealing an iPhone does not give access to the iCloud-account.
On 2023-04-20 12:16, Chris wrote:
On 20/04/2023 14:43, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-04-20 03:52, Chris wrote:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 20.04.23 um 00:23 schrieb Chris:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by >>>>>> having
their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly
lose access
to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or >>>>>> provide
them your passcode.
Only idiots use passcodes in crowded public places. Guess why iPhones, >>>>> iPads and Macs offer access via biometric means i.e. fingerprint and >>>>> face recognition?
The amount of victim blaming going on here is depressing.
There are unforced errors and forced errors.
These are unforced errors that the phone owners could easily have
prevented:
1) Longer, more complex pass code: ELEMENTARY
Ableist BS.
2) Hide the code while entering it in public: EASY-PEASY
Ableist BS.
3) Don't leave your phone on the bar 'cause it's cool: DUH!No-one does it because it's cool, grandad. There are many ways a phone
is stolen that don't require blaming the victim.
You've trapped yourself with this "victim blaming" trope.
Fact is: people who do not take precautions get burned.
See my other recent reply re: "A lifetime of photos"
On 4/20/2023 12:34 AM, Wilf wrote:
<snip>
... although of course the other factors in MFA would likely involve the
same phone receiving a texted code or email with a code in it. That
wouldn't actually help in such a case.
That is why there's a need to be able to individually lock apps, with a different passcode or with biometrics.
On 2023-04-20 09:09, Chris wrote:
Lol. Sure. An analogy always pisses over reality... <sigh>
Actually happens on the east coast of North America daily in droves - >>>>> although mostly not even with the keys - but that happens too.
Not my point. It's an irrelevant analogy. Stealing a phone and having
access to itsits contents is nothing like the same as stealing a set
of car
keys.
Irrelevant to you because it pisses all over your case.
A stolen car is easily replaceable with insurance. I lifetime of photos?
Not so much.
How can you even be in this conversation if you're not aware of the need
for backups of digital devices.
On 2023-04-20 16:20, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 20.04.23 um 15:43 schrieb Alan Browne:
On 2023-04-20 03:52, Chris wrote:
The amount of victim blaming going on here is depressing.
There are unforced errors and forced errors.
These are unforced errors that the phone owners could easily have prevented:
1) Longer, more complex pass code: ELEMENTARY
2) Hide the code while entering it in public: EASY-PEASY
3) Don't leave your phone on the bar 'cause it's cool: DUH!
There is even more: Use biometrics or apply your proposed measures.
I simply have difficulties to reconcile the issue.
He has latched on to something and logic won't pierce the obstinance.
On 2023-04-20, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 20/04/2023 14:48, nospam wrote:
In article <u1re7l$k0ru$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
If someone uses your crappy 4 or 6 digit code
No-one's going to have a 25 character alphanumeric passcode on the
lockscreen to type several times a day.
first of all, there is no need to enter the passcode at all during
the day, let alone several times, because the phone is unlocked with
face id or touch id.
In normal usage, supposedly, however, in practice faceid doesn't
always work.
You are completely full of shit if you think Face ID fails 25 time a day
or even close to that. Your trolls are lame, as always.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-20 16:20, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 20.04.23 um 15:43 schrieb Alan Browne:
On 2023-04-20 03:52, Chris wrote:
The amount of victim blaming going on here is depressing.
There are unforced errors and forced errors.
These are unforced errors that the phone owners could easily have prevented:
1) Longer, more complex pass code: ELEMENTARY
2) Hide the code while entering it in public: EASY-PEASY
3) Don't leave your phone on the bar 'cause it's cool: DUH!
There is even more: Use biometrics or apply your proposed measures.
I simply have difficulties to reconcile the issue.
He has latched on to something and logic won't pierce the obstinance.
And you're all too focused on attacking the messenger or blame the user
than engage with the issue.
Does it not bother you that a thief only needs your passcode to fully
disable your access to your Apple account incl. icloud?
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-20 12:16, Chris wrote:
On 20/04/2023 14:43, Alan Browne wrote:
These are unforced errors that the phone owners could easily have
prevented:
1) Longer, more complex pass code: ELEMENTARY [ 1 ]
Ableist BS.
2) Hide the code while entering it in public: EASY-PEASY [ 2 ]
Ableist BS.
3) Don't leave your phone on the bar 'cause it's cool: DUH! [ 3 ] >>>>No-one does it because it's cool, grandad. There are many ways a phone
is stolen that don't require blaming the victim.
You've trapped yourself with this "victim blaming" trope.
It's not a trope. You're assuming your experience is the same as everyone else's. The reality is there are many people - due to a variety of reasons
- who do not find your suggestions easy nor elementary.
Fact is: people who do not take precautions get burned.
Yet you don't accept that Apple could do a simple fix.
<crickets> Did you headslap on the the "Gee, backing up a lifetime ofSee my other recent reply re: "A lifetime of photos"
Does it not bother you that a thief only needs your passcode to fully
disable your access to your Apple account incl. icloud?
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 20.04.23 um 18:16 schrieb Chris:
No-one does it because it's cool, grandad. There are many ways a phone
is stolen that don't require blaming the victim.
Stealing an iPhone does not give access to the iCloud-account.
Did someone say it did?
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
He has latched on to something and logic won't pierce the obstinance.
And you're all too focused on attacking the messenger or blame the user
than engage with the issue.
Does it not bother you that a thief only needs your passcode to fully
disable your access to your Apple account incl. icloud?
In article <kadf0jFpid9U2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
first of all, there is no need to enter the passcode at all during
the day, let alone several times, because the phone is unlocked
with face id or touch id.
In normal usage, supposedly, however, in practice faceid doesn't
always work.
You are completely full of shit if you think Face ID fails 25 time a
day or even close to that. Your trolls are lame, as always.
maybe it's dark where he is. turning on a room light would fix that.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-20, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 20/04/2023 14:48, nospam wrote:
In article <u1re7l$k0ru$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
If someone uses your crappy 4 or 6 digit code
No-one's going to have a 25 character alphanumeric passcode on the
lockscreen to type several times a day.
first of all, there is no need to enter the passcode at all during
the day, let alone several times, because the phone is unlocked
with face id or touch id.
In normal usage, supposedly, however, in practice faceid doesn't
always work.
You are completely full of shit if you think Face ID fails 25 time a
day or even close to that. Your trolls are lame, as always.
You might want to learn to read.
Engage brain before typing your dull ad hominems.
I should have pointed out that there are Jailbreak tweaks to add
biometric protection to iPhone apps. That information is in the document
in the section bookmarked above.
It's unclear if some, or any, of the useful Jailbreak tweaks will be available as side-loaded apps to a non-Jailbroken phone when iOS begins
to allow sideloading.
See 187a on page 96 of the document <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE/edit#bookmark=id.8m5lho8ne3if>.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-20 00:52, Chris wrote:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 20.04.23 um 00:23 schrieb Chris:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by having
their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose access
to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or provide
them your passcode.
Only idiots use passcodes in crowded public places. Guess why iPhones, >>>> iPads and Macs offer access via biometric means i.e. fingerprint and
face recognition?
The amount of victim blaming going on here is depressing.
As you well know iOS (and macOS) forces you to use your passcode/password >>> on a regular basis. Plus, there's the multitude of times that Face ID
doesn't work and you need to resort to passcode.
No. iOS and macOS do NOT force you to use a passcode/password on a
regular basis.
Funny that they both do for me. My Mac which I use daily for work about
once or twice a week will require a password to enable Touch ID.
I never turn it off and it rarely reboot it.
What do you suggest people do? Not pay for the tank fuel they've just put >>> in the car or the meal they've just eaten?
I've used my phone to use Apple wallet for a very long time now.
I have NEVER needed to use my passcode to do so.
Literally never? I find that hard to believe. Did you never use a mask
during covid?
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-20 09:09, Chris wrote:
Lol. Sure. An analogy always pisses over reality... <sigh>
Actually happens on the east coast of North America daily in droves - >>>>>> although mostly not even with the keys - but that happens too.
Not my point. It's an irrelevant analogy. Stealing a phone and having >>>>> access to itsits contents is nothing like the same as stealing a set >>>>> of car
keys.
Irrelevant to you because it pisses all over your case.
A stolen car is easily replaceable with insurance. I lifetime of photos? >>> Not so much.
How can you even be in this conversation if you're not aware of the need
for backups of digital devices.
I absolutely do. Hence why I don't use icloud.
Strangely enough this isn't about me.
No. iOS and macOS do NOT force you to use a passcode/password on a
regular basis.
Am 20.04.23 um 23:04 schrieb Chris:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
He has latched on to something and logic won't pierce the obstinance.
And you're all too focused on attacking the messenger or blame the user
than engage with the issue.
Does it not bother you that a thief only needs your passcode to fully
disable your access to your Apple account incl. icloud?
No. The precautions are very robust.
There is no protection against
stupidity and negligence. We know that from real life.
On 2023-04-20 13:36, Chris wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-20 00:52, Chris wrote:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 20.04.23 um 00:23 schrieb Chris:
Following on from previous discussions about people losing money by having
their phone stolen, it now also looks like you can irreversibly lose access
to your AppleID with a thief only needing your passcode.
https://www.karltarvas.com/protecting-your-iphone-against-shoulder-surfing-password-theft.html
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or provide
them your passcode.
Only idiots use passcodes in crowded public places. Guess why iPhones, >>>>> iPads and Macs offer access via biometric means i.e. fingerprint and >>>>> face recognition?
The amount of victim blaming going on here is depressing.
As you well know iOS (and macOS) forces you to use your passcode/password >>>> on a regular basis. Plus, there's the multitude of times that Face ID
doesn't work and you need to resort to passcode.
No. iOS and macOS do NOT force you to use a passcode/password on a
regular basis.
Funny that they both do for me. My Mac which I use daily for work about
once or twice a week will require a password to enable Touch ID.
I never turn it off and it rarely reboot it.
What do you suggest people do? Not pay for the tank fuel they've just put >>>> in the car or the meal they've just eaten?
I've used my phone to use Apple wallet for a very long time now.
I have NEVER needed to use my passcode to do so.
Literally never? I find that hard to believe. Did you never use a mask
during covid?
TouchID.
And yes: literally never.
I have never once used my passcode to use Apple wallet.
On 20. Apr 2023 at 18:02:01 CEST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
No. iOS and macOS do NOT force you to use a passcode/password on a
regular basis.
Ummm than you must have another iOS than me.
I´m regularly (about every two weeks) getting asked on the iPhone and the iPad to enter my passcode.
And I think that is a good thing, otherwise regular users would forget
their passcode and be locked out If they restart the device when they definitely need the passcode.
Is this really not so in your case.
On 2023-04-20 13:52, Chris wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-20 09:09, Chris wrote:
Lol. Sure. An analogy always pisses over reality... <sigh>
Actually happens on the east coast of North America daily in droves - >>>>>>> although mostly not even with the keys - but that happens too.
Not my point. It's an irrelevant analogy. Stealing a phone and having >>>>>> access to itsits contents is nothing like the same as stealing a set >>>>>> of car
keys.
Irrelevant to you because it pisses all over your case.
A stolen car is easily replaceable with insurance. I lifetime of photos? >>>> Not so much.
How can you even be in this conversation if you're not aware of the need >>> for backups of digital devices.
I absolutely do. Hence why I don't use icloud.
And you're completely unaware that one can do hardwired backups of an
iOS device.
Strangely enough this isn't about me.
Plainly enough...
...you're demonstrating over and over you don't have a clue about how
iOS devices function.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-20 13:52, Chris wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-20 09:09, Chris wrote:
Lol. Sure. An analogy always pisses over reality... <sigh>
Actually happens on the east coast of North America daily in droves - >>>>>>>> although mostly not even with the keys - but that happens too.
Not my point. It's an irrelevant analogy. Stealing a phone and having >>>>>>> access to itsits contents is nothing like the same as stealing a set >>>>>>> of car
keys.
Irrelevant to you because it pisses all over your case.
A stolen car is easily replaceable with insurance. I lifetime of photos? >>>>> Not so much.
How can you even be in this conversation if you're not aware of the need >>>> for backups of digital devices.
I absolutely do. Hence why I don't use icloud.
And you're completely unaware that one can do hardwired backups of an
iOS device.
Am I? My multiple local copies of photos disagree with you.
Am 20.04.23 um 22:36 schrieb Chris:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 20.04.23 um 18:16 schrieb Chris:
No-one does it because it's cool, grandad. There are many ways a phone >>>> is stolen that don't require blaming the victim.
Stealing an iPhone does not give access to the iCloud-account.
Did someone say it did?
Yes in the above quote by implication in the context of this thread.
Then explain where the problem lies
except the stupidity of handful of
users who are obviously not qualified to use high-tech devices.
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 20.04.23 um 23:04 schrieb Chris:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
He has latched on to something and logic won't pierce the obstinance.
And you're all too focused on attacking the messenger or blame the user
than engage with the issue.
Does it not bother you that a thief only needs your passcode to fully
disable your access to your Apple account incl. icloud?
No. The precautions are very robust.
Clearly not.
There is no protection against
stupidity and negligence. We know that from real life.
That's clearly not true, especially in the US. There are many situations where people's stupidity is protected (in law) like for example from
spilling hot coffee on themselves.
Would you also argue that airbags or seatbelts are unnecessary because
people shouldn't be stupid enough to get into accidents?
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 20.04.23 um 22:36 schrieb Chris:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 20.04.23 um 18:16 schrieb Chris:
No-one does it because it's cool, grandad. There are many ways a phone >>>>> is stolen that don't require blaming the victim.
Stealing an iPhone does not give access to the iCloud-account.
Did someone say it did?
Yes in the above quote by implication in the context of this thread.
You need to improve your comprehension skills or maybe you're not qualified for usenet.
Then explain where the problem lies
Read the OP and the associated WSJ article.
except the stupidity of handful of
users who are obviously not qualified to use high-tech devices.
People are still too stupid to drive and carry guns even with licences.
Your ridiculous comment wouldn't work.
On 2023-04-20 23:43, Chris wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-20 13:52, Chris wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-20 09:09, Chris wrote:
Lol. Sure. An analogy always pisses over reality... <sigh>Not my point. It's an irrelevant analogy. Stealing a phone and having >>>>>>>> access to itsits contents is nothing like the same as stealing a set >>>>>>>> of car
Actually happens on the east coast of North America daily in droves - >>>>>>>>> although mostly not even with the keys - but that happens too. >>>>>>>>
keys.
Irrelevant to you because it pisses all over your case.
A stolen car is easily replaceable with insurance. I lifetime of photos? >>>>>> Not so much.
How can you even be in this conversation if you're not aware of the need >>>>> for backups of digital devices.
I absolutely do. Hence why I don't use icloud.
And you're completely unaware that one can do hardwired backups of an
iOS device.
Am I? My multiple local copies of photos disagree with you.
And yet you said:
'A stolen car is easily replaceable with insurance. I lifetime of photos?'
It's also not just photos. Your car analogy was simply dumb.
On 2023-04-20 16:36, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-20 12:16, Chris wrote:
On 20/04/2023 14:43, Alan Browne wrote:
These are unforced errors that the phone owners could easily have
prevented:
1) Longer, more complex pass code: ELEMENTARY [ 1 ]
Ableist BS.
2) Hide the code while entering it in public: EASY-PEASY [ 2 ]
Ableist BS.
3) Don't leave your phone on the bar 'cause it's cool: DUH! [ 3 ] >>>>>No-one does it because it's cool, grandad. There are many ways a phone >>>> is stolen that don't require blaming the victim.
You've trapped yourself with this "victim blaming" trope.
It's not a trope. You're assuming your experience is the same as everyone
else's. The reality is there are many people - due to a variety of reasons >> - who do not find your suggestions easy nor elementary.
Any doofus (well most) recognizes that a 4 digit passcode is crap. [1]
How many times are people told to cover the keypad when accessing a bank account with their PIN? [2]
Protecting your phone from theft is pretty obvious to most [3]
So - with simple defense in depth: even if [3] unfortunately happened,
[2] and esp. [1] should not have been vulnerable points.
Fact is: people who do not take precautions get burned.
Yet you don't accept that Apple could do a simple fix.
Actually, elsewhere I pointed out that it would be a welcome thing if
Apple added government issue ID as a document one could upload to ones account as a future proofing method.
<crickets> Did you headslap on the the "Gee, backing up a lifetime of precious photos" might be a good idead?See my other recent reply re: "A lifetime of photos"
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or provide >> them your passcode.
Well Duh.
This is one of the most ridiculous threads ever started here. And as you can imagine, that’s up against some pretty stiff competition.
What’s next? Do not provide anyone your house keys? Do not provide anyone your wallet? Do not provide anyone your SSN?
There is currently no workaround for any of these. Stupidity cannot be “worked around”, nor can it be fixed with a software patch.
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or provide them your passcode.
Hopefully iOS 17 will add the capability to lock individual apps.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-20 23:43, Chris wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-20 13:52, Chris wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-20 09:09, Chris wrote:
Lol. Sure. An analogy always pisses over reality... <sigh>Not my point. It's an irrelevant analogy. Stealing a phone and having >>>>>>>>> access to itsits contents is nothing like the same as stealing a set >>>>>>>>> of car
Actually happens on the east coast of North America daily in droves -
although mostly not even with the keys - but that happens too. >>>>>>>>>
keys.
Irrelevant to you because it pisses all over your case.
A stolen car is easily replaceable with insurance. I lifetime of photos?
Not so much.
How can you even be in this conversation if you're not aware of the need >>>>>> for backups of digital devices.
I absolutely do. Hence why I don't use icloud.
And you're completely unaware that one can do hardwired backups of an
iOS device.
Am I? My multiple local copies of photos disagree with you.
And yet you said:
'A stolen car is easily replaceable with insurance. I lifetime of photos?'
I also said this isn't about me. I also don't own a car so car theft isn't
an issue for me either.
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
There is currently no workaround for this. Do not let anyone see or provide >> them your passcode.
Well Duh.
This is one of the most ridiculous threads ever started here. And as you can imagine, that’s up against some pretty stiff competition.
What’s next? Do not provide anyone your house keys? Do not provide anyone your wallet? Do not provide anyone your SSN?
There is currently no workaround for any of these. Stupidity cannot be “worked around”, nor can it be fixed with a software patch.
On 20. Apr 2023 at 18:02:01 CEST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
No. iOS and macOS do NOT force you to use a passcode/password on a
regular basis.
Ummm than you must have another iOS than me.
I´m regularly (about every two weeks) getting asked on the iPhone and the iPad to enter my passcode.
And I think that is a good thing, otherwise regular users would forget
their passcode and be locked out If they restart the device when they definitely need the passcode.
Any doofus (well most) recognizes that a 4 digit passcode is crap. [1]
There you go again with your superiority complex. Also no-one's has a
4-digit code in many years.
Am 21.04.23 um 08:47 schrieb Chris:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 20.04.23 um 22:36 schrieb Chris:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 20.04.23 um 18:16 schrieb Chris:
No-one does it because it's cool, grandad. There are many ways a phone >>>>>> is stolen that don't require blaming the victim.
Stealing an iPhone does not give access to the iCloud-account.
Did someone say it did?
Yes in the above quote by implication in the context of this thread.
You need to improve your comprehension skills or maybe you're not qualified >> for usenet.
You make a total fool of yourself.
Don't you have the capacity to
recognise that? You try to make a story of nothing. I'm inclined to
believe it happened to you and now you try to blame others.
Then explain where the problem lies
Read the OP and the associated WSJ article.
except the stupidity of handful of
users who are obviously not qualified to use high-tech devices.
People are still too stupid to drive and carry guns even with licences.
Your ridiculous comment wouldn't work.
You are a Troll.
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