Since I work from home 3/5 days per week, my routine of charging the
battery on my iPhone 14 overnight has morphed to just charging it when it gets low. I have a fast charger so it doesn’t take long to get to a decent level.
Is there any harm in leaving the phone on a fast USB-C charger all night
even if it’s at 60% when I plug it in? The charger and phone supposedly have technology to prevent overcharging, but I’m wondering what you think.
Are random charge cycles better than routine ones which hasn’t depleted the battery yet?
Since I work from home 3/5 days per week, my routine of charging the
battery on my iPhone 14 overnight has morphed to just charging it when it gets low. I have a fast charger so it doesn’t take long to get to a decent level.
Is there any harm in leaving the phone on a fast USB-C charger all night
even if it’s at 60% when I plug it in? The charger and phone supposedly have technology to prevent overcharging, but I’m wondering what you think.
Are random charge cycles better than routine ones which hasn’t depleted the battery yet?
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Since I work from home 3/5 days per week, my routine of charging the
battery on my iPhone 14 overnight has morphed to just charging it when it
gets low. I have a fast charger so it doesn’t take long to get to a decent >> level.
Is there any harm in leaving the phone on a fast USB-C charger all night
even if it’s at 60% when I plug it in? The charger and phone supposedly
have technology to prevent overcharging, but I’m wondering what you think. >>
Are random charge cycles better than routine ones which hasn’t depleted the
battery yet?
I can only answer this based on personal experience. I am retired and
during the day I mostly use my IPad or MacBook. So the charge on my phone rarely goes below 70% by the end of the day. I have been putting it on the charger every night for as long as I have had the phone and have had no battery issues at all. I normally keep a phone for 4 or 5 years. Currently have an IPhone 14 pro after upgrading from an IPhone 10. I do have
optimized battery charging set to on.
Since I work from home 3/5 days per week, my routine of charging the
battery on my iPhone 14 overnight has morphed to just charging it when it gets low. I have a fast charger so it doesn’t take long to get to a decent level.
Is there any harm in leaving the phone on a fast USB-C charger all night
even if it’s at 60% when I plug it in? The charger and phone supposedly have technology to prevent overcharging, but I’m wondering what you think.
On 5/13/2023 5:52 AM, badgolferman wrote:
Since I work from home 3/5 days per week, my routine of charging the
battery on my iPhone 14 overnight has morphed to just charging it when it
gets low. I have a fast charger so it doesn’t take long to get to a decent >> level.
Is there any harm in leaving the phone on a fast USB-C charger all night
even if it’s at 60% when I plug it in? The charger and phone supposedly
have technology to prevent overcharging, but I’m wondering what you think.
It would be preferable to limit the charge level to between 80% and 85%
to maximize battery longevity.
There's a Jailbreak tweak "BattSafe" that provides the capability to
limit the charge level. Not sure if it works with the latest iOS
version. There's also BattSafePro which is an updated version.
Samsung has built this capability into some of their newer phones—it
limits the charge level to 85%. Hopefully this feature will be added to
a future iOS version.
It would be preferable to limit the charge level to between 80% and 85%
to maximize battery longevity.
There's a Jailbreak tweak "BattSafe" that provides the capability to
limit the charge level. Not sure if it works with the latest iOS
version. There's also BattSafePro which is an updated version.
Samsung has built this capability into some of their newer phonesit
limits the charge level to 85%. Hopefully this feature will be added to
a future iOS version.
It seems if this was true Apple would limit the maximum charge somehow.
In article <u3tso5$34cp4$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
It would be preferable to limit the charge level to between 80% and 85%
to maximize battery longevity.
actually, 70-80% is considered the optimal maximum, however, it can
affect calibration if it's always limited.
There's a Jailbreak tweak "BattSafe" that provides the capability to
limit the charge level. Not sure if it works with the latest iOS
version. There's also BattSafePro which is an updated version.
there is no need to jailbreak anything.
Samsung has built this capability into some of their newer phonesit
limits the charge level to 85%. Hopefully this feature will be added to
a future iOS version.
ios has optimized battery charging that limits charging to 80% and then charges fully when it's actually needed, generally in the morning for
typical usage patterns.
ios also can alert the user when the charge reaches whatever level the
user chooses, in either direction (max or min), and as many different
levels that the user wants, without any third party apps. it can also
be linked to a smart switch to enable and disable charging thereby maintaining a preset range. for example, start charging when it dips
below 40% and stop charging when it hits 70%.
samsung will no doubt copy apple at some point.
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
On 5/13/2023 5:52 AM, badgolferman wrote:
Since I work from home 3/5 days per week, my routine of charging the
battery on my iPhone 14 overnight has morphed to just charging it
when it gets low. I have a fast charger so it doesn’t take long to
get to a decent level.
Is there any harm in leaving the phone on a fast USB-C charger all
night even if it’s at 60% when I plug it in? The charger and phone
supposedly have technology to prevent overcharging, but I’m
wondering what you think.
It would be preferable to limit the charge level to between 80% and
85% to maximize battery longevity.
There's a Jailbreak tweak "BattSafe" that provides the capability to
limit the charge level. Not sure if it works with the latest iOS
version. There's also BattSafePro which is an updated version.
Samsung has built this capability into some of their newer phones—it
limits the charge level to 85%. Hopefully this feature will be added
to a future iOS version.
nospam, do you agree with sms?
It seems if this was true Apple would limit the maximum charge
somehow.
There is no need for you to
micromanage your battery, and there is no evidence that doing so will
extend the lifespan in any significant or appreciable manner.
The best way to extend the lifespan is buy the iPhone with the biggest battery you can afford. Anything else done managing it is only a band aid.
On 15 May 2023 at 11:28:54 PM, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
There is no need for you to micromanage your battery, and there is no
evidence that doing so will extend the lifespan in any significant or
appreciable manner.
The best way to extend the lifespan is buy the iPhone with the biggest battery you can afford. Anything else done managing it is only a band
aid.
It would be preferable to limit the charge level to between 80% and 85%
to maximize battery longevity.
actually, 70-80% is considered the optimal maximum, however, it can
affect calibration if it's always limited.
There's a Jailbreak tweak "BattSafe" that provides the capability to
limit the charge level. Not sure if it works with the latest iOS
version. There's also BattSafePro which is an updated version.
there is no need to jailbreak anything.
Samsung has built this capability into some of their newer phonesit
limits the charge level to 85%. Hopefully this feature will be added to
a future iOS version.
ios has optimized battery charging that limits charging to 80% and then
charges fully when it's actually needed, generally in the morning for
typical usage patterns.
ios also can alert the user when the charge reaches whatever level the
user chooses, in either direction (max or min), and as many different
levels that the user wants, without any third party apps. it can also
be linked to a smart switch to enable and disable charging thereby
maintaining a preset range. for example, start charging when it dips
below 40% and stop charging when it hits 70%.
samsung will no doubt copy apple at some point.
Mine typically stops at about 72-76%, which is fine. Probably a
similar thing to samsung. except it has a fanciful apple name.
You're both seemingly trying to pretend you've never heard of Apple's Optimized Charging feature which trickle charges past 80% in order to
ensure excess heat isn't needlessly generated. But we all know better
than that, since the feature has been mentioned repeatedly in these newsgroups since 2019 when it was released. There is no need for you to micromanage your battery, and there is no evidence that doing so will
extend the lifespan in any significant or appreciable manner.
In article <u3tvdl$34ncg$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
It seems if this was true Apple would limit the maximum charge somehow.
they do.
ios has optimized battery charging that limits charging to 80% and then charges fully when it's actually needed, generally in the morning for
typical usage patterns.
ios also can alert the user when the charge reaches whatever level the
user chooses, in either direction (max or min), and as many different
levels that the user wants, without any third party apps. it can also
be linked to a smart switch to enable and disable charging thereby maintaining a preset range. for example, start charging when it dips
below 40% and stop charging when it hits 70%.
In article <u3uhqs$36p3a$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
wrote:
The best way to extend the lifespan is buy the iPhone with the biggest
battery you can afford. Anything else done managing it is only a band aid.
pure nonsense.
On 2023-05-16, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 15 May 2023 at 11:28:54 PM, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
There is no need for you to micromanage your battery, and there is no
evidence that doing so will extend the lifespan in any significant or
appreciable manner.
The best way to extend the lifespan is buy the iPhone with the biggest
battery you can afford. Anything else done managing it is only a band
aid.
Bullshit from the perennial bullshitter.
People who obsess over battery health are on a fool's errand. There is absolutely no need to invest effort in time in micromanaging your
battery when Apple's devices manage their batteries automatically.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
...
ios has optimized battery charging that limits charging to 80% and then
charges fully when it's actually needed, generally in the morning for
typical usage patterns.
ios also can alert the user when the charge reaches whatever level the
user chooses, in either direction (max or min), and as many different
levels that the user wants, without any third party apps. it can also
be linked to a smart switch to enable and disable charging thereby
maintaining a preset range. for example, start charging when it dips
below 40% and stop charging when it hits 70%.
Wait. Wait. How do I customize these different levels and ranges? I
didn't see them in iOS v16.4.1?
System Customization.Settings > Privacy & Security > Location Services > System Services
Significant Locations > Significant Locations.
Am 16.05.23 um 04:20 schrieb Jolly Roger:
On 2023-05-16, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 15 May 2023 at 11:28:54 PM, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>
There is no need for you to micromanage your battery, and there is no
evidence that doing so will extend the lifespan in any significant or
appreciable manner.
The best way to extend the lifespan is buy the iPhone with the biggest
battery you can afford. Anything else done managing it is only a band
aid.
Bullshit from the perennial bullshitter.
People who obsess over battery health are on a fool's errand. There is
absolutely no need to invest effort in time in micromanaging your
battery when Apple's devices manage their batteries automatically.
Even the value of this is rather questionable. It is much more important avoiding deep discharging and high temps.
Am 16.05.23 um 04:20 schrieb Jolly Roger:
On 2023-05-16, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 15 May 2023 at 11:28:54 PM, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>
There is no need for you to micromanage your battery, and there is
no evidence that doing so will extend the lifespan in any
significant or appreciable manner.
The best way to extend the lifespan is buy the iPhone with the
biggest battery you can afford. Anything else done managing it is
only a band aid.
Bullshit from the perennial bullshitter.
People who obsess over battery health are on a fool's errand. There
is absolutely no need to invest effort in time in micromanaging your
battery when Apple's devices manage their batteries automatically.
Even the value of this is rather questionable. It is much more
important avoiding deep discharging and high temps.
Am 16.05.23 um 00:28 schrieb Jolly Roger:
You're both seemingly trying to pretend you've never heard of Apple's
Optimized Charging feature which trickle charges past 80% in order to
ensure excess heat isn't needlessly generated. But we all know better
than that, since the feature has been mentioned repeatedly in these
newsgroups since 2019 when it was released. There is no need for you
to micromanage your battery, and there is no evidence that doing so
will extend the lifespan in any significant or appreciable manner.
+1 and our Troll sms is a wisenheimer. He tries to sell what everybody
knows already for years now.
There is no need for you to micromanage your battery, and there is
no evidence that doing so will extend the lifespan in any
significant or appreciable manner.
The best way to extend the lifespan is buy the iPhone with the
biggest battery you can afford. Anything else done managing it is
only a band aid.
Bullshit from the perennial bullshitter.
People who obsess over battery health are on a fool's errand. There
is absolutely no need to invest effort in time in micromanaging your
battery when Apple's devices manage their batteries automatically.
Even the value of this is rather questionable. It is much more
important avoiding deep discharging and high temps.
Exactly.
Agree Apple comes up with much better names that Samsung should copy.
Samsung boringly calls it "Battery Life & Performance Optimization." https://www.samsung.com/us/support/galaxy-battery/optimization/
Ron, the humblest guy in town.
I've seen, many times, the suggestion of triggering a smart switch to
turn off the charger when the battery percentage.
Here is one Reddit thread on this:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/comments/uc939l/smart_connector_to_st
op_iphone_charging_at_80/>.
It's rather kludgy but it would work.
It would be better if Apple simply
copied Samsung and built this capability into the operating system,
but
that is unlikely for the following reasons:
1) It would be one more setting for the user to question and understand,
for only a small benefit to the user.
2) The increased battery longevity would be small, According to
empirical testing,
stopping charging at 85% increased the battery life
by 9-12%. Even at 12%, for a phone kept for four years, that would be slightly less than six more months before battery replacement (or phone replacement) would be necessary.
3) It would decrease sales of battery replacements and of phone
replacements.
4) Samsung may have a patent on the battery protection feature.
Those iPhone users that really want this feature can jailbreak to get it.
Wait. Wait. How do I customize these different levels and ranges? I
didn't see them in iOS v16.4.1?
LOL. What? Our favorite troll(s) didn't explain where those
customizations are? What a surprise.
Of course you are aware, as are they, that those customizations simply
don't exist.
The reality is that the benefit to the device owner of optimizing
charging protocols is small, though it is definitely measurable.
Apple
does have the feature where the device stops charging at 80% then later completes the charging to 100%, which is also supposed to help extend
battery life, but that's a very different feature than stopping charging
at 85%.
As I detailed in an earlier follow-up, there are multiple reasons why
Apple is unlikely to add a similar feature like the Samsung "Battery
Protect" feature.
I expanded the section of the document
Using a smart switch with Home Assistant is a workaround,
but it's
kludgy
and it requires extra hardware.
Are you really going to carry
around a smart switch and also limit yourself to charging only from AC chargers?
On 16-05-2023 18:06 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
There is no need for you to micromanage your battery, and there
is no evidence that doing so will extend the lifespan in any
significant or appreciable manner.
The best way to extend the lifespan is buy the iPhone with the
biggest battery you can afford. Anything else done managing it is
only a band aid.
Bullshit from the perennial bullshitter.
People who obsess over battery health are on a fool's errand. There
is absolutely no need to invest effort in time in micromanaging
your battery when Apple's devices manage their batteries
automatically.
Even the value of this is rather questionable. It is much more
important avoiding deep discharging and high temps.
Exactly.
Both of which are avoided with a much larger capacity battery.
There is no need for you to micromanage your battery, and there
is no evidence that doing so will extend the lifespan in any
significant or appreciable manner.
The best way to extend the lifespan is buy the iPhone with the
biggest battery you can afford. Anything else done managing it is
only a band aid.
Bullshit from the perennial bullshitter.
People who obsess over battery health are on a fool's errand. There
is absolutely no need to invest effort in time in micromanaging
your battery when Apple's devices manage their batteries
automatically.
Even the value of this is rather questionable. It is much more
important avoiding deep discharging and high temps.
Exactly.
Both of which are avoided with a much larger capacity battery.
Nope, even larger batteries degrade over time and eventually need to be replaced.
And you are no doubt assuming devices with larger batteries
consume no more energy than devices with smaller batteries, which is
often also not the case (for instance many smaller devices with smaller screens have smaller batteries because they don't consume as much energy
and can get away with smaller batteries while still offering comparable
run times. Larger batteries aren't a magic bullet.
All batteries have
finite lifespans and eventually need to be replaced. And spending your
time micromanaging them is a complete waste of time.
On 17-05-2023 01:19 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
There is no need for you to micromanage your battery, and there >>>>>>>> is no evidence that doing so will extend the lifespan in any
significant or appreciable manner.
The best way to extend the lifespan is buy the iPhone with the
biggest battery you can afford. Anything else done managing it
is only a band aid.
Bullshit from the perennial bullshitter.
People who obsess over battery health are on a fool's errand.
There is absolutely no need to invest effort in time in
micromanaging your battery when Apple's devices manage their
batteries automatically.
Even the value of this is rather questionable. It is much more
important avoiding deep discharging and high temps.
Exactly.
Both of which are avoided with a much larger capacity battery.
Nope, even larger batteries degrade over time and eventually need to
be replaced.
Whoosh.
All batteries have finite lifespans and eventually need to be
replaced. And spending your time micromanaging them is a complete
waste of time.
Next time, don't say anything if you don't understand what you replied
to.
It's not possible to "deep discharge" a mobile phone's Li-Ion battery.
When the battery percentage reaches 0%, and then when the phone shuts
down, the battery has not been "deep-discharged."
One misconception that many people have is that when the battery
percentage indicator shows "0%" that the Li-Ion battery is completely discharged, that a "deep discharge" has occurred, and that going to 0% damages the battery.
On 16-05-2023 18:06 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
There is no need for you to micromanage your battery, and there is >>>>>> no evidence that doing so will extend the lifespan in any
significant or appreciable manner.
The best way to extend the lifespan is buy the iPhone with the
biggest battery you can afford. Anything else done managing it is
only a band aid.
Bullshit from the perennial bullshitter.
People who obsess over battery health are on a fool's errand. There
is absolutely no need to invest effort in time in micromanaging your
battery when Apple's devices manage their batteries automatically.
Even the value of this is rather questionable. It is much more
important avoiding deep discharging and high temps.
Exactly.
Both of which are avoided with a much larger capacity battery.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-16 02:45, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 16.05.23 um 04:20 schrieb Jolly Roger:
On 2023-05-16, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 15 May 2023 at 11:28:54 PM, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>>>
There is no need for you to micromanage your battery, and there is no >>>>>> evidence that doing so will extend the lifespan in any significant or >>>>>> appreciable manner.
The best way to extend the lifespan is buy the iPhone with the biggest >>>>> battery you can afford. Anything else done managing it is only a band >>>>> aid.
Bullshit from the perennial bullshitter.
People who obsess over battery health are on a fool's errand. There is >>>> absolutely no need to invest effort in time in micromanaging your
battery when Apple's devices manage their batteries automatically.
Even the value of this is rather questionable. It is much more important >>> avoiding deep discharging and high temps.
It is not questionable. Indeed drone battery packs I have are
programmed to bleed off down to (IIRC) 50% if not used for 2 days. They
discharge at about 2% / day via a resistor.
The use case of a cell phone is that it is always self-discharging - so
while 100% charge is desirable for many people, it is not optimal for
some people if overall longevity is desired.
I would be pleased if Apple simply put in a setting to charge to a max
of 80%. That would fit my use case about 90% of the year.
I note that my SO's laptop is never charged over 80% - because she has
it plugged in most of the time.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/snjbiw9rd2ruyda/Batt80.png <----- [AAA]
Apple could easily implement something similar on iOS.
Why bother? You're essentially making the battery 20% less useful.
Longevity issues are massively overblown.
On 2023-05-16 02:45, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 16.05.23 um 04:20 schrieb Jolly Roger:
On 2023-05-16, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 15 May 2023 at 11:28:54 PM, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>>
There is no need for you to micromanage your battery, and there is no >>>>> evidence that doing so will extend the lifespan in any significant or >>>>> appreciable manner.
The best way to extend the lifespan is buy the iPhone with the biggest >>>> battery you can afford. Anything else done managing it is only a band
aid.
Bullshit from the perennial bullshitter.
People who obsess over battery health are on a fool's errand. There is
absolutely no need to invest effort in time in micromanaging your
battery when Apple's devices manage their batteries automatically.
Even the value of this is rather questionable. It is much more important
avoiding deep discharging and high temps.
It is not questionable. Indeed drone battery packs I have are
programmed to bleed off down to (IIRC) 50% if not used for 2 days. They discharge at about 2% / day via a resistor.
The use case of a cell phone is that it is always self-discharging - so
while 100% charge is desirable for many people, it is not optimal for
some people if overall longevity is desired.
I would be pleased if Apple simply put in a setting to charge to a max
of 80%. That would fit my use case about 90% of the year.
I note that my SO's laptop is never charged over 80% - because she has
it plugged in most of the time. https://www.dropbox.com/s/snjbiw9rd2ruyda/Batt80.png
Apple could easily implement something similar on iOS.
On 2023-05-17 13:41, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-16 02:45, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 16.05.23 um 04:20 schrieb Jolly Roger:
On 2023-05-16, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 15 May 2023 at 11:28:54 PM, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>>>>
There is no need for you to micromanage your battery, and there
is no evidence that doing so will extend the lifespan in any
significant or appreciable manner.
The best way to extend the lifespan is buy the iPhone with the
biggest battery you can afford. Anything else done managing it is
only a band aid.
Bullshit from the perennial bullshitter.
People who obsess over battery health are on a fool's errand.
There is absolutely no need to invest effort in time in
micromanaging your battery when Apple's devices manage their
batteries automatically.
Even the value of this is rather questionable. It is much more
important avoiding deep discharging and high temps.
It is not questionable. Indeed drone battery packs I have are
programmed to bleed off down to (IIRC) 50% if not used for 2 days.
They discharge at about 2% / day via a resistor.
The use case of a cell phone is that it is always self-discharging -
so while 100% charge is desirable for many people, it is not optimal
for some people if overall longevity is desired.
I would be pleased if Apple simply put in a setting to charge to a
max of 80%. That would fit my use case about 90% of the year.
I note that my SO's laptop is never charged over 80% - because she
has it plugged in most of the time.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/snjbiw9rd2ruyda/Batt80.png <----- [AAA]
Apple could easily implement something similar on iOS.
Why bother? You're essentially making the battery 20% less useful.
Longevity issues are massively overblown.
And with many years experience with Li-ion batts in other areas, I can
assure you that longevity issues are not at all overblown
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-16 02:45, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 16.05.23 um 04:20 schrieb Jolly Roger:
On 2023-05-16, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 15 May 2023 at 11:28:54 PM, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>>>
There is no need for you to micromanage your battery, and there
is no evidence that doing so will extend the lifespan in any
significant or appreciable manner.
The best way to extend the lifespan is buy the iPhone with the
biggest battery you can afford. Anything else done managing it is
only a band aid.
Bullshit from the perennial bullshitter.
People who obsess over battery health are on a fool's errand. There
is absolutely no need to invest effort in time in micromanaging
your battery when Apple's devices manage their batteries
automatically.
Even the value of this is rather questionable. It is much more
important avoiding deep discharging and high temps.
It is not questionable. Indeed drone battery packs I have are
programmed to bleed off down to (IIRC) 50% if not used for 2 days.
They discharge at about 2% / day via a resistor.
The use case of a cell phone is that it is always self-discharging -
so while 100% charge is desirable for many people, it is not optimal
for some people if overall longevity is desired.
I would be pleased if Apple simply put in a setting to charge to a
max of 80%. That would fit my use case about 90% of the year.
I note that my SO's laptop is never charged over 80% - because she
has it plugged in most of the time.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/snjbiw9rd2ruyda/Batt80.png
Apple could easily implement something similar on iOS.
Why bother? You're essentially making the battery 20% less useful.
Longevity issues are massively overblown.
On 2023-05-17, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-16 02:45, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Even the value of this is rather questionable. It is much more
important avoiding deep discharging and high temps.
It is not questionable. Indeed drone battery packs I have are
programmed to bleed off down to (IIRC) 50% if not used for 2 days.
They discharge at about 2% / day via a resistor.
The use case of a cell phone is that it is always self-discharging -
so while 100% charge is desirable for many people, it is not optimal
for some people if overall longevity is desired.
I would be pleased if Apple simply put in a setting to charge to a
max of 80%. That would fit my use case about 90% of the year.
I note that my SO's laptop is never charged over 80% - because she
has it plugged in most of the time.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/snjbiw9rd2ruyda/Batt80.png [AAA] <------
Apple could easily implement something similar on iOS.
Why bother? You're essentially making the battery 20% less useful.
Longevity issues are massively overblown.
Yep. The additional effort doesn't result in an appreciable gain in
overall battery life, and replacing batteries is relatively inexpensive
and can be done while you wait. People advocating micromanaging their batteries apparently have a lot of free time on their hands and can't or won't do other more productive things with their time.
On 2023-05-17 15:47, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-05-17, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-16 02:45, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Even the value of this is rather questionable. It is much more
important avoiding deep discharging and high temps.
It is not questionable. Indeed drone battery packs I have are
programmed to bleed off down to (IIRC) 50% if not used for 2 days.
They discharge at about 2% / day via a resistor.
The use case of a cell phone is that it is always self-discharging
- so while 100% charge is desirable for many people, it is not
optimal for some people if overall longevity is desired.
I would be pleased if Apple simply put in a setting to charge to a
max of 80%. That would fit my use case about 90% of the year.
I note that my SO's laptop is never charged over 80% - because she
has it plugged in most of the time.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/snjbiw9rd2ruyda/Batt80.png [AAA] <------
Apple could easily implement something similar on iOS.
Why bother? You're essentially making the battery 20% less useful.
Longevity issues are massively overblown.
Yep. The additional effort doesn't result in an appreciable gain in
overall battery life, and replacing batteries is relatively
inexpensive and can be done while you wait. People advocating
micromanaging their batteries apparently have a lot of free time on
their hands and can't or won't do other more productive things with
their time.
The point is that while it is indeed a PITA for a person to manage
this, but trivial for the device to manage this according to the
user's preference.
On 2023-05-17, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-17 13:41, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-16 02:45, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Even the value of this is rather questionable. It is much more
important avoiding deep discharging and high temps.
It is not questionable. Indeed drone battery packs I have are
programmed to bleed off down to (IIRC) 50% if not used for 2 days.
They discharge at about 2% / day via a resistor.
The use case of a cell phone is that it is always self-discharging -
so while 100% charge is desirable for many people, it is not optimal
for some people if overall longevity is desired.
I would be pleased if Apple simply put in a setting to charge to a
max of 80%. That would fit my use case about 90% of the year.
I note that my SO's laptop is never charged over 80% - because she
has it plugged in most of the time.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/snjbiw9rd2ruyda/Batt80.png <----- [AAA]
Apple could easily implement something similar on iOS.
Why bother? You're essentially making the battery 20% less useful.
Longevity issues are massively overblown.
And with many years experience with Li-ion batts in other areas, I can
assure you that longevity issues are not at all overblown
They are definitely overblown for iPhones.
On 2023-05-17 15:49, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-05-17, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-17 13:41, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-16 02:45, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Even the value of this is rather questionable. It is much more
important avoiding deep discharging and high temps.
It is not questionable. Indeed drone battery packs I have are
programmed to bleed off down to (IIRC) 50% if not used for 2 days.
They discharge at about 2% / day via a resistor.
The use case of a cell phone is that it is always self-discharging
- so while 100% charge is desirable for many people, it is not
optimal for some people if overall longevity is desired.
I would be pleased if Apple simply put in a setting to charge to a
max of 80%. That would fit my use case about 90% of the year.
I note that my SO's laptop is never charged over 80% - because she
has it plugged in most of the time.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/snjbiw9rd2ruyda/Batt80.png <----- [AAA]
Apple could easily implement something similar on iOS.
Why bother? You're essentially making the battery 20% less useful.
Longevity issues are massively overblown.
And with many years experience with Li-ion batts in other areas, I
can assure you that longevity issues are not at all overblown
They are definitely overblown for iPhones.
Depends on the use case.
On 2023-05-18, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-17 15:47, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-05-17, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-16 02:45, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Even the value of this is rather questionable. It is much more
important avoiding deep discharging and high temps.
It is not questionable. Indeed drone battery packs I have are
programmed to bleed off down to (IIRC) 50% if not used for 2 days.
They discharge at about 2% / day via a resistor.
The use case of a cell phone is that it is always self-discharging
- so while 100% charge is desirable for many people, it is not
optimal for some people if overall longevity is desired.
I would be pleased if Apple simply put in a setting to charge to a
max of 80%. That would fit my use case about 90% of the year.
I note that my SO's laptop is never charged over 80% - because she
has it plugged in most of the time.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/snjbiw9rd2ruyda/Batt80.png [AAA] <------
Apple could easily implement something similar on iOS.
Why bother? You're essentially making the battery 20% less useful.
Longevity issues are massively overblown.
Yep. The additional effort doesn't result in an appreciable gain in
overall battery life, and replacing batteries is relatively
inexpensive and can be done while you wait. People advocating
micromanaging their batteries apparently have a lot of free time on
their hands and can't or won't do other more productive things with
their time.
The point is that while it is indeed a PITA for a person to manage
this, but trivial for the device to manage this according to the
user's preference.
Nah, the real point is there's no significant gain from micromanaging
your battery.
On 2023-05-18, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-17 15:49, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-05-17, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-17 13:41, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-16 02:45, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Even the value of this is rather questionable. It is much more
important avoiding deep discharging and high temps.
It is not questionable. Indeed drone battery packs I have are
programmed to bleed off down to (IIRC) 50% if not used for 2 days. >>>>>> They discharge at about 2% / day via a resistor.
The use case of a cell phone is that it is always self-discharging >>>>>> - so while 100% charge is desirable for many people, it is not
optimal for some people if overall longevity is desired.
I would be pleased if Apple simply put in a setting to charge to a >>>>>> max of 80%. That would fit my use case about 90% of the year.
I note that my SO's laptop is never charged over 80% - because she >>>>>> has it plugged in most of the time.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/snjbiw9rd2ruyda/Batt80.png <----- [AAA]
Apple could easily implement something similar on iOS.
Why bother? You're essentially making the battery 20% less useful.
Longevity issues are massively overblown.
And with many years experience with Li-ion batts in other areas, I
can assure you that longevity issues are not at all overblown
They are definitely overblown for iPhones.
Depends on the use case.
It really doesn't,
but go ahead and waste your time if it makes you
*feel* better. Just don't expect everyone else to play along - way
better and more productive things to do.
And with many years experience with Li-ion batts in other areas, I can
assure you that longevity issues are not at all overblown
They are definitely overblown for iPhones.
Depends on the use case. And since Apple have implemented the right
solution for MacOS, it is pretty trivial to do so for iOS. See [AAA] above.
On 2023-05-17 20:21, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-05-18, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-17 15:47, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-05-17, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-16 02:45, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Even the value of this is rather questionable. It is much more
important avoiding deep discharging and high temps.
It is not questionable. Indeed drone battery packs I have are
programmed to bleed off down to (IIRC) 50% if not used for 2
days. They discharge at about 2% / day via a resistor.
The use case of a cell phone is that it is always
self-discharging - so while 100% charge is desirable for many
people, it is not optimal for some people if overall longevity is
desired.
I would be pleased if Apple simply put in a setting to charge to
a max of 80%. That would fit my use case about 90% of the year.
I note that my SO's laptop is never charged over 80% - because
she has it plugged in most of the time.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/snjbiw9rd2ruyda/Batt80.png [AAA]
<------
Apple could easily implement something similar on iOS.
Why bother? You're essentially making the battery 20% less useful.
Longevity issues are massively overblown.
Yep. The additional effort doesn't result in an appreciable gain in
overall battery life, and replacing batteries is relatively
inexpensive and can be done while you wait. People advocating
micromanaging their batteries apparently have a lot of free time on
their hands and can't or won't do other more productive things with
their time.
The point is that while it is indeed a PITA for a person to manage
this, but trivial for the device to manage this according to the
user's preference.
Nah, the real point is there's no significant gain from micromanaging
your battery.
Exactly the point: why the iOS should do that job for me.
On 2023-05-17 20:22, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-05-18, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-17 15:49, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-05-17, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-17 13:41, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-16 02:45, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Even the value of this is rather questionable. It is much more >>>>>>>> important avoiding deep discharging and high temps.
It is not questionable. Indeed drone battery packs I have are
programmed to bleed off down to (IIRC) 50% if not used for 2
days. They discharge at about 2% / day via a resistor.
The use case of a cell phone is that it is always
self-discharging - so while 100% charge is desirable for many
people, it is not optimal for some people if overall longevity
is desired.
I would be pleased if Apple simply put in a setting to charge to >>>>>>> a max of 80%. That would fit my use case about 90% of the year. >>>>>>>
I note that my SO's laptop is never charged over 80% - because
she has it plugged in most of the time.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/snjbiw9rd2ruyda/Batt80.png <-----
[AAA]
Apple could easily implement something similar on iOS.
Why bother? You're essentially making the battery 20% less
useful. Longevity issues are massively overblown.
And with many years experience with Li-ion batts in other areas, I
can assure you that longevity issues are not at all overblown
They are definitely overblown for iPhones.
Depends on the use case.
It really doesn't,
Of course it does. My buddy can't get through a day w/o re-charging -
I can go 2 sometime 3 days. Different use cases.
but go ahead and waste your time if it makes you *feel* better. Just
don't expect everyone else to play along - way better and more
productive things to do.
Apple already do this for Mac OS ([AAA] above refers). Trivial to
implement in iOS.
On 2023-05-17 13:41, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-16 02:45, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 16.05.23 um 04:20 schrieb Jolly Roger:
On 2023-05-16, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
On 15 May 2023 at 11:28:54 PM, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>>>>
There is no need for you to micromanage your battery, and there is no >>>>>>> evidence that doing so will extend the lifespan in any significant or >>>>>>> appreciable manner.
The best way to extend the lifespan is buy the iPhone with the biggest >>>>>> battery you can afford. Anything else done managing it is only a band >>>>>> aid.
Bullshit from the perennial bullshitter.
People who obsess over battery health are on a fool's errand. There is >>>>> absolutely no need to invest effort in time in micromanaging your
battery when Apple's devices manage their batteries automatically.
Even the value of this is rather questionable. It is much more important >>>> avoiding deep discharging and high temps.
It is not questionable. Indeed drone battery packs I have are
programmed to bleed off down to (IIRC) 50% if not used for 2 days. They >>> discharge at about 2% / day via a resistor.
The use case of a cell phone is that it is always self-discharging - so
while 100% charge is desirable for many people, it is not optimal for
some people if overall longevity is desired.
I would be pleased if Apple simply put in a setting to charge to a max
of 80%. That would fit my use case about 90% of the year.
I note that my SO's laptop is never charged over 80% - because she has
it plugged in most of the time.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/snjbiw9rd2ruyda/Batt80.png <----- [AAA]
Apple could easily implement something similar on iOS.
Why bother? You're essentially making the battery 20% less useful.
Longevity issues are massively overblown.
If I only use 30 - 40% of the battery in a given day (pretty much all
year long), then it's not less useful.
Thus, as they do in Mac OS, having a stop point is useful for longevity
of the battery. [AAA] above. This is a rather trivial thing to implement.
And with many years experience with Li-ion batts in other areas, I can
assure you that longevity issues are not at all overblown - esp. for
people like me who keep their phones for about 5 years.
On 5/15/2023 11:30 PM, Ant wrote:
<snip>
Wait. Wait. How do I customize these different levels and ranges? I
didn't see them in iOS v16.4.1?
LOL. What? Our favorite troll(s) didn't explain where those
customizations are? What a surprise.
Of course you are aware, as are they, that those customizations simply
don't exist.
As I detailed in an earlier follow-up, there are multiple reasons why
Apple is unlikely to add a similar feature like the Samsung "Battery
Protect" feature.
I expanded the section of the document that explains this. It's #198 on
page 101, see <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE/edit#bookmark=id.7gombx4ps7u9>.
Using a smart switch with Home Assistant is a workaround, but it's
kludgy and it requires extra hardware. Are you really going to carry
around a smart switch and also limit yourself to charging only from AC chargers?
In article <I6e9M.649715$5CY7.123214@fx46.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
And with many years experience with Li-ion batts in other areas, I can >>>> assure you that longevity issues are not at all overblown
They are definitely overblown for iPhones.
Depends on the use case. And since Apple have implemented the right
solution for MacOS, it is pretty trivial to do so for iOS. See [AAA] above.
different use cases is why macbooks directly support charge termination
while ios does not.
iphones are usually used on battery for extended periods of time and connected to mains power just to recharge, whereas macbooks are the
opposite, often connected to power for extended periods of time,
sometimes with an external display (which can provide power), hard
drive, etc.
Depends on the use case. And since Apple have implemented the right
solution for MacOS, it is pretty trivial to do so for iOS. See [AAA]
above.
different use cases is why macbooks directly support charge termination while ios does not.
iphones are usually used on battery for extended periods of time and connected to mains power just to recharge, whereas macbooks are the opposite, often connected to power for extended periods of time,
sometimes with an external display (which can provide power), hard
drive, etc.
Doesn't matter - they've solved it for MacOS - doing it for iOS would be trivial.
On 2023-05-17 21:08, nospam wrote:
In article <I6e9M.649715$5CY7.123214@fx46.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
And with many years experience with Li-ion batts in other areas, I
can assure you that longevity issues are not at all overblown
They are definitely overblown for iPhones.
Depends on the use case. And since Apple have implemented the right
solution for MacOS, it is pretty trivial to do so for iOS. See
[AAA] above.
different use cases is why macbooks directly support charge
termination while ios does not.
iphones are usually used on battery for extended periods of time and
connected to mains power just to recharge, whereas macbooks are the
opposite, often connected to power for extended periods of time,
sometimes with an external display (which can provide power), hard
drive, etc.
Doesn't matter - they've solved it for MacOS - doing it for iOS would
be trivial.
In article <rbq9M.556866$Olad.507604@fx35.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Depends on the use case. And since Apple have implemented the right
solution for MacOS, it is pretty trivial to do so for iOS. See [AAA]
above.
different use cases is why macbooks directly support charge termination
while ios does not.
iphones are usually used on battery for extended periods of time and
connected to mains power just to recharge, whereas macbooks are the
opposite, often connected to power for extended periods of time,
sometimes with an external display (which can provide power), hard
drive, etc.
Doesn't matter - they've solved it for MacOS - doing it for iOS would be
trivial.
it might be trivial, however, there are other things that have a higher priority.
note that both do have optimized charging. the difference is that the
mac, via third party software, can have fine control over the charging.
On 2023-05-18, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-17 21:08, nospam wrote:
In article <I6e9M.649715$5CY7.123214@fx46.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
And with many years experience with Li-ion batts in other areas, I >>>>>> can assure you that longevity issues are not at all overblown
They are definitely overblown for iPhones.
Depends on the use case. And since Apple have implemented the right
solution for MacOS, it is pretty trivial to do so for iOS. See
[AAA] above.
different use cases is why macbooks directly support charge
termination while ios does not.
iphones are usually used on battery for extended periods of time and
connected to mains power just to recharge, whereas macbooks are the
opposite, often connected to power for extended periods of time,
sometimes with an external display (which can provide power), hard
drive, etc.
Doesn't matter - they've solved it for MacOS - doing it for iOS would
be trivial.
There's no problem to be solved on iOS devices (and no, the one you are manufacturing in your head doesn't count in the real world).
Don't need a 3rd party app on MacOS to do an 80% hold. (Not sure at
what version they implemented it).
If there were such for iOS, that would be nice.
On 2023-05-18 11:57, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-05-18, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-17 21:08, nospam wrote:
In article <I6e9M.649715$5CY7.123214@fx46.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
And with many years experience with Li-ion batts in other areas, >>>>>>> I can assure you that longevity issues are not at all overblown
They are definitely overblown for iPhones.
Depends on the use case. And since Apple have implemented the
right solution for MacOS, it is pretty trivial to do so for iOS.
See [AAA] above.
different use cases is why macbooks directly support charge
termination while ios does not.
iphones are usually used on battery for extended periods of time
and connected to mains power just to recharge, whereas macbooks are
the opposite, often connected to power for extended periods of
time, sometimes with an external display (which can provide power),
hard drive, etc.
Doesn't matter - they've solved it for MacOS - doing it for iOS
would be trivial.
There's no problem to be solved on iOS devices (and no, the one you
are manufacturing in your head doesn't count in the real world).
Not manufacturing anything in my head. My use case sees me charging
my phone every 2 (sometimes 3 days). Don't need the battery charged
above 80% other than when traveling
something more productive to do with your time.
In article <U1t9M.435773$ZhSc.95318@fx38.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Don't need a 3rd party app on MacOS to do an 80% hold. (Not sure at
what version they implemented it).
mac os and ios have optimized battery charging which delays charging at
80% 'in certain situations' based on usage patterns.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212049>
...When the feature is enabled, your Mac will delay charging past
80% in certain situations. Your Mac learns your charging routine
and aims to ensure that your Mac is fully charged when unplugged.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210512>
...When the feature is enabled, your iPhone will delay charging past
80% in certain situations. Your iPhone uses on-device machine
learning to learn your daily charging routine so that Optimized
Battery Charging activates only when your iPhone predicts it will
be connected to a charger for an extended period of time. The
algorithm aims to ensure that your iPhone is still fully charged
when unplugged.
third party tools for the mac can set any desired max/min charge level,
which can be enabled and/or overridden at any time, entirely
independent of how the device is being used. it is *not* based on daily routines or usage patterns, but instead what the user explicitly sets.
currently, ios devices can initiate a user-defined action when a
particular charge level has been reached (above or below), typically an
alert sound so that the user can then unplug the charger. that action
can also be linked to control a smartplug to start or stop charging.
with no additional software required, contrary to what docboy
erroneously claims.
If there were such for iOS, that would be nice.
a lot of things would be nice.
in this case, apple has decided that it's not as nice as other features
they want to add to ios.
In article <U1t9M.435773$ZhSc.95318@fx38.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Don't need a 3rd party app on MacOS to do an 80% hold. (Not sure at
what version they implemented it).
mac os and ios have optimized battery charging which delays charging at
80% 'in certain situations' based on usage patterns.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212049>
...When the feature is enabled, your Mac will delay charging past
80% in certain situations. Your Mac learns your charging routine
and aims to ensure that your Mac is fully charged when unplugged.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210512>
...When the feature is enabled, your iPhone will delay charging past
80% in certain situations. Your iPhone uses on-device machine
learning to learn your daily charging routine so that Optimized
Battery Charging activates only when your iPhone predicts it will
be connected to a charger for an extended period of time. The
algorithm aims to ensure that your iPhone is still fully charged
when unplugged.
third party tools for the mac can set any desired max/min charge level,
which can be enabled and/or overridden at any time, entirely
independent of how the device is being used. it is *not* based on daily routines or usage patterns, but instead what the user explicitly sets.
currently, ios devices can initiate a user-defined action when a
particular charge level has been reached (above or below), typically an
alert sound so that the user can then unplug the charger. that action
can also be linked to control a smartplug to start or stop charging.
with no additional software required, contrary to what docboy
erroneously claims.
If there were such for iOS, that would be nice.
a lot of things would be nice.
in this case, apple has decided that it's not as nice as other features
they want to add to ios.
Next time, don't say anything if you don't understand what you replied to.
On 2023-05-17, mike <this@address.is.invalid> wrote:
Next time, don't say anything if you don't understand what you replied to.
And your contributions to this group have been what, exactly?
On 2023-05-18, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-18 11:57, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-05-18, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-05-17 21:08, nospam wrote:
In article <I6e9M.649715$5CY7.123214@fx46.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
And with many years experience with Li-ion batts in other areas, >>>>>>>> I can assure you that longevity issues are not at all overblown >>>>>>>They are definitely overblown for iPhones.
Depends on the use case. And since Apple have implemented the
right solution for MacOS, it is pretty trivial to do so for iOS.
See [AAA] above.
different use cases is why macbooks directly support charge
termination while ios does not.
iphones are usually used on battery for extended periods of time
and connected to mains power just to recharge, whereas macbooks are
the opposite, often connected to power for extended periods of
time, sometimes with an external display (which can provide power),
hard drive, etc.
Doesn't matter - they've solved it for MacOS - doing it for iOS
would be trivial.
There's no problem to be solved on iOS devices (and no, the one you
are manufacturing in your head doesn't count in the real world).
Not manufacturing anything in my head. My use case sees me charging
my phone every 2 (sometimes 3 days). Don't need the battery charged
above 80% other than when traveling
You don't *need* to micromanage it, and there isn't evidence that doing
so would result in appreciable increase in overall longevity. Find
something more productive to do with your time.
In article <U1t9M.435773$ZhSc.95318@fx38.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Don't need a 3rd party app on MacOS to do an 80% hold. (Not sure at
what version they implemented it).
mac os and ios have optimized battery charging which delays charging at
80% 'in certain situations' based on usage patterns.
Why bother? You're essentially making the battery 20% less useful.
Longevity issues are massively overblown.
For most users this is not the case. They aren't using more than 85% of
their battery's capacity every day anyway, and they can always change
the setting to charge to 100% if they expect to need that extra capacity.
Remember, the time between phone upgrades has been increasing and
battery degradation is now the leading factor in phone replacement.
Extending the life of the battery by properly managing charging is a
benefit to the user.
Are you really going to carry
around a smart switch and also limit yourself to charging only from AC chargers?
who carries a charger everywhere they go?
this may come to you as a surprise, but there is an internal battery
which powers the phone for more than an entire day in typical use,
while the charger remains at home.
It would be nice to be able to tell iPhones to charge to 100% instead
of slowing down at 80%
This. I don't always have access to power AC and carry external
batteries to recharge iPhones. It would be nice to be able to tell
iPhones to charge to 100% instead of slowing down at 80%
<snip>
Settings > Battery > Battery Health & Charging and turn off Optimized
Battery Charging
Also, I find that if I'm using the GPS a lot, with Waze, Google Maps, or
All Trails, then the iPhone battery doesn't last a whole day.
Last week
I was in my wife's car and the iPhone charging cable was bad
and I was
using Waze on my iPhone 11. It really drains the battery quickly. She
used her Android instead.
When I asked why she didn't tell me that the
iPhone cable didn't work she said that she never charges her iPhone in
the car,
This. I don't always have access to power AC and carry external
batteries to recharge iPhones. It would be nice to be able to tell
iPhones to charge to 100% instead of slowing down at 80%
On 5/19/2023 12:37 PM, Ant wrote:
<snip>
This. I don't always have access to power AC and carry external
batteries to recharge iPhones. It would be nice to be able to tell
iPhones to charge to 100% instead of slowing down at 80%
<snip>
Settings > Battery > Battery Health & Charging and turn off Optimized
Battery Charging
This. I don't always have access to power AC and carry external
batteries to recharge iPhones. It would be nice to be able to tell
iPhones to charge to 100% instead of slowing down at 80%
<snip>
Settings > Battery > Battery Health & Charging and turn off Optimized Battery Charging
That turns it off completely. You can turn it off just for a specific
day without doing that.
In article <kcqa1uFu0i2U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
This. I don't always have access to power AC and carry external
batteries to recharge iPhones. It would be nice to be able to tell
iPhones to charge to 100% instead of slowing down at 80%
<snip>
Settings > Battery > Battery Health & Charging and turn off Optimized
Battery Charging
That turns it off completely. You can turn it off just for a specific
day without doing that.
that requires actually owning and using an ios device, versus doing a
search (which also explains the alternative, so he fails at that too).
This. I don't always have access to power AC and carry external
batteries to recharge iPhones. It would be nice to be able to tell
iPhones to charge to 100% instead of slowing down at 80%
<snip>
Settings > Battery > Battery Health & Charging and turn off Optimized
Battery Charging
That turns it off completely. You can turn it off just for a specific
day without doing that.
that requires actually owning and using an ios device, versus doing a search (which also explains the alternative, so he fails at that too).
It sounds like youre accusing sms of lying about having an iPhone.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <kcqa1uFu0i2U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
This. I don't always have access to power AC and carry external
batteries to recharge iPhones. It would be nice to be able to tell
iPhones to charge to 100% instead of slowing down at 80%
<snip>
Settings > Battery > Battery Health & Charging and turn off
Optimized Battery Charging
That turns it off completely. You can turn it off just for a
specific day without doing that.
that requires actually owning and using an ios device, versus doing a
search (which also explains the alternative, so he fails at that
too).
It sounds like you’re accusing sms of lying about having an iPhone.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <u492if$qoaa$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
It sounds like you¹re accusing sms of lying about having an iPhone.
how do you explain that nearly all of his comments about ios devices
as well as other apple products are wrong, sometimes wildly so.
one of the most absurd claims is face id not working in the dark.
anyone who has used any ios device with face id knows that to be flat
out false. apple's own statements say it's false. common sense says
it's false. he claims to have an engineering degree so he should
understand signal/noise ratio and why dark is *ideal* and bright sun
is where there might be an issue, the very opposite of his claim.
another one he got wrong was his bogus claim about mac address
randomization being copied from android. as it turns out, apple had
it well before android did, nearly a decade ago.
he claims that all sorts of things can't be done on ios devices, or
there's some lengthy convoluted way to do it, yet in nearly every
case, not only can they easily be done, but it's often something
that's built into ios, with no third party app required.
What is the purpose of MAC address randomization? To spoof a piece of hardware?
What is the purpose of MAC address randomization? To spoof a piece of hardware?
In article <u492if$qoaa$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
This. I don't always have access to power AC and carry external
batteries to recharge iPhones. It would be nice to be able to tell >>>>>> iPhones to charge to 100% instead of slowing down at 80%
<snip>
Settings > Battery > Battery Health & Charging and turn off Optimized >>>>> Battery Charging
That turns it off completely. You can turn it off just for a specific
day without doing that.
that requires actually owning and using an ios device, versus doing a
search (which also explains the alternative, so he fails at that too).
It sounds like you¹re accusing sms of lying about having an iPhone.
how do you explain that nearly all of his comments about ios devices as
well as other apple products are wrong, sometimes wildly so.
one of the most absurd claims is face id not working in the dark.
anyone who has used any ios device with face id knows that to be flat
out false. apple's own statements say it's false. common sense says
it's false. he claims to have an engineering degree so he should
understand signal/noise ratio and why dark is *ideal* and bright sun is
where there might be an issue, the very opposite of his claim.
another one he got wrong was his bogus claim about mac address
randomization being copied from android. as it turns out, apple had it
well before android did, nearly a decade ago.
he claims that all sorts of things can't be done on ios devices, or
there's some lengthy convoluted way to do it, yet in nearly every case,
not only can they easily be done, but it's often something that's built
into ios, with no third party app required.
in this case, apple has decided that it's not as nice as other features
they want to add to ios.
Neither you or your buddy will lengthen your battery life by a
significant amount by micromanaging it, nor will either of you avoid eventually having to replace your battery.
It sounds like you’re accusing sms of lying about having an iPhone.
On 5/17/2023 10:41 AM, Chris wrote:
<snip>
Why bother? You're essentially making the battery 20% less useful.
Longevity issues are massively overblown.
For most users this is not the case. They aren't using more than 85% of
their battery's capacity every day anyway
and they can always change
the setting to charge to 100% if they expect to need that extra capacity.
Remember, the time between phone upgrades has been increasing and
battery degradation is now the leading factor in phone replacement.
Extending the life of the battery by properly managing charging is a
benefit to the user.
Why bother? You're essentially making the battery 20% less useful.
Longevity issues are massively overblown.
For most users this is not the case. They aren't using more than 85% of their battery's capacity every day anyway
Ah good ol' "most users". That almost always means "people like me".
How do you know what "most people" do?
It sounds like youre accusing sms of lying about having an iPhone.
LOL, it's something that our favorite troll is fond of doing. Not sure
what he believes is the upside of lying, but that's something that he
has to reflect on and decide if it helps his agenda to behave like that.
It's why I filter out pathological liars like nospam, et al.
In fact, I did that exact thing (checking optimized charging status) on
my iPhone 11 to verify that that was the sequence of events to turn
optimized charging on and off (I have it turned off).
In article <u498g4$r8pt$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
What is the purpose of MAC address randomization? To spoof a piece of
hardware?
mac addresses can be used to track people.
if a device provides a random one each time, then it eliminates that as
a viable method.
What is the purpose of MAC address randomization? To spoof a piece of
hardware?
mac addresses can be used to track people.
if a device provides a random one each time, then it eliminates that as
a viable method.
I highly doubt the vast majority of iPhone users know or use such a
function.
In other words its not needed and not used yet Apple has
decided to include that in their devices. If they do research on what
people want and need how did they come up with this feature when there are
so many others theyve removed which people actually want?
In article <u49uaj$10u02$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
It sounds like you¹re accusing sms of lying about having an iPhone.
LOL, it's something that our favorite troll is fond of doing. Not
sure what he believes is the upside of lying, but that's something
that he has to reflect on and decide if it helps his agenda to behave
like that. It's why I filter out pathological liars like nospam, et
al.
accusations are confessions.
In fact, I did that exact thing (checking optimized charging status)
on my iPhone 11 to verify that that was the sequence of events to
turn optimized charging on and off (I have it turned off).
turning it off is the wrong solution.
someone who actually owns and uses ios devices would know that there
is a simple way to override it without completely turning it off.
you also snipped the other things you got wrong, such as face id and
mac address randomization. there are far too many things you get wrong
to keep track. again, those who actually own and use ios devices would
never make such ludicrous and easily disproven claims.
On 5/19/2023 5:00 PM, badgolferman wrote:
<snip>
It sounds like you’re accusing sms of lying about having an iPhone.
In fact, I did that exact thing (checking optimized charging status)
on my iPhone 11 to verify that that was the sequence of events to turn optimized charging on and off (I have it turned off).
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <u498g4$r8pt$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
What is the purpose of MAC address randomization? To spoof a piece
of hardware?
mac addresses can be used to track people.
if a device provides a random one each time, then it eliminates that
as a viable method.
I highly doubt the vast majority of iPhone users know or use such a
function.
In other words “it’s not needed” and “not used”
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
On 5/17/2023 10:41 AM, Chris wrote:
<snip>
Why bother? You're essentially making the battery 20% less useful.
Longevity issues are massively overblown.
For most users this is not the case. They aren't using more than 85%
of their battery's capacity every day anyway
Ah good ol' "most users". That almost always means "people like me".
How do you know what "most people" do?
What is the purpose of MAC address randomization? To spoof a piece of
hardware?
mac addresses can be used to track people.
if a device provides a random one each time, then it eliminates that as
a viable method.
I highly doubt the vast majority of iPhone users know or use such a
function. In other words "it's not needed" and "not used" yet Apple has decided to include that in their devices. If they do research on what
people want and need how did they come up with this feature when there are
so many others they've removed which people actually want?
On 2023-05-20, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
What is the purpose of MAC address randomization? To spoof a piece
of hardware?
mac addresses can be used to track people.
if a device provides a random one each time, then it eliminates that
as a viable method.
I highly doubt the vast majority of iPhone users know or use such a
function. In other words "it's not needed" and "not used" yet Apple
has decided to include that in their devices. If they do research on
what people want and need how did they come up with this feature when
there are so many others they've removed which people actually want?
It seems that maybe iOS is still well behind Android in mac
randomization.
On 5/19/2023 12:37 PM, Ant wrote:
<snip>
This. I don't always have access to power AC and carry external
batteries to recharge iPhones. It would be nice to be able to tell
iPhones to charge to 100% instead of slowing down at 80%
<snip>
Settings > Battery > Battery Health & Charging and turn off Optimized
Battery Charging
On 2023-05-19, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
It would be nice to be able to tell iPhones to charge to 100% instead
of slowing down at 80%
Then prepare to be pleased, beacuse the Optimized Charging message that appears on the screen has a "Turn Off Until Tomorrow" button. ????
On 2023-05-19, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
It would be nice to be able to tell iPhones to charge to 100% instead
of slowing down at 80%
Then prepare to be pleased, beacuse the Optimized Charging message that appears on the screen has a "Turn Off Until Tomorrow" button. ????
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
On 5/19/2023 12:37 PM, Ant wrote:
<snip>
This. I don't always have access to power AC and carry external
batteries to recharge iPhones. It would be nice to be able to tell
iPhones to charge to 100% instead of slowing down at 80%
<snip>
Settings > Battery > Battery Health & Charging and turn off Optimized
Battery Charging
Ahh, it asks me to turn off until tomorrow. I never saw that prompt
before. Was this added recently?
Ahh, it asks me to turn off until tomorrow. I never saw that prompt
before. Was this added recently?
Not sure when it was added or if it's been there all along.
It seems that maybe iOS is still well behind Android in mac
randomization.
Nope, it has always been ahead: <https://blog.elevensoftware.com/hs-fs/hubfs/images/blog/mac-randomization-timeline.png>
On 2023-05-21, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
Nope, it has always been ahead:
<https://blog.elevensoftware.com/hs-fs/hubfs/images/blog/mac-randomization-timeline.png>
I don't think you want to paste that graphic again because I don't
think you realize it doesn't say what you hope it would have said.
per connection blah blah blah
sms's original claim
which started this whole subthread was that Android supposedly had MAC address randomization first (untrue)
On May 24, 2023, Jolly Roger wrote
(in article<news:kd4i77Figq4U2@mid.individual.net>):
sms's original claim
which started this whole subthread was that Android supposedly had MAC
address randomization first (untrue)
You're right. And so was Bob Campbell. I said so a few times now.
He was wrong because Apple was three years ahead of Android on mac randomization while scanning and Android is now three to five years ahead
of Apple since Android has mac randomization capabilities per connection.
Ron, the humblest guy in town.
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