Is there some way to have the Mail app on my iphone return to the
Inbox when I delete a message rather than automaticaly open the next
message? I want to keep certain messages unread until I'm ready to
deal with them. As it is now I have to go through several steps to
unread the message which was opened before I was ready for it. All
other mail programs have options to do that but I can't find one in
the Mail app.
All other mail
programs have options to do that
Am 03.07.23 um 15:45 schrieb badgolferman:
All other mail
programs have options to do that
Which are?
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 03.07.23 um 15:45 schrieb badgolferman:
All other mail programs have options to do that
Which are?
Gmail, Outlook, Proton, you name it.
TBF, it's not actually an *option* in some of those - it's just a
different *default* behavior. For instance, I'm not aware of any setting
for this in Proton's mail client.
I'm sure whoever decided to make this the default behavior in Apple's
client had good intentions, but the drawbacks outweigh any benefit as
far as I'm concerned.
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 03.07.23 um 15:45 schrieb badgolferman:
All other mail
programs have options to do that
Which are?
Gmail, Outlook, Proton, you name it.
On 2023-07-03, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there some way to have the Mail app on my iphone return to the
Inbox when I delete a message rather than automaticaly open the next
message? I want to keep certain messages unread until I'm ready to
deal with them. As it is now I have to go through several steps to
unread the message which was opened before I was ready for it. All
other mail programs have options to do that but I can't find one in
the Mail app.
That irks me too. I've just gotten into the habit of exiting the message before deleting it, so I'm already in the inbox when I delete it.
Proton's mail client doesn't do this, and it's nice. Though I still
catch myself reflexively going back to the inbox before deleting there.
Am 03.07.23 um 18:10 schrieb Jolly Roger:
TBF, it's not actually an *option* in some of those - it's just a
different *default* behavior. For instance, I'm not aware of any
setting for this in Proton's mail client.
I'm sure whoever decided to make this the default behavior in Apple's
client had good intentions, but the drawbacks outweigh any benefit as
far as I'm concerned.
Yes. It depends on the way someone uses and works with mails. The fact
that it cannot be changed is the drawback.
Am 03.07.23 um 17:51 schrieb badgolferman:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 03.07.23 um 15:45 schrieb badgolferman:
All other mail programs have options to do that
Which are?
Gmail, Outlook, Proton, you name it.
Gmail: Spyware from Google
Outlook: An Ukrainian relay server reads your mails and has almost
nothing to do with what $MS$ sells for corporations or PCs.
Proton: I use it too but it can only be used for Proton-Mail.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2023-07-03, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there some way to have the Mail app on my iphone return to the
Inbox when I delete a message rather than automaticaly open the next
message? I want to keep certain messages unread until I'm ready to
deal with them. As it is now I have to go through several steps to
unread the message which was opened before I was ready for it. All
other mail programs have options to do that but I can't find one in
the Mail app.
That irks me too. I've just gotten into the habit of exiting the
message before deleting it, so I'm already in the inbox when I delete
it.
Proton's mail client doesn't do this, and it's nice. Though I still
catch myself reflexively going back to the inbox before deleting
there.
Yeah I always just delete from the Inbox. No biggie.
On 2023-07-03, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2023-07-03, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there some way to have the Mail app on my iphone return to the
Inbox when I delete a message rather than automaticaly open the next
message? I want to keep certain messages unread until I'm ready to
deal with them. As it is now I have to go through several steps to
unread the message which was opened before I was ready for it. All
other mail programs have options to do that but I can't find one in
the Mail app.
That irks me too. I've just gotten into the habit of exiting the
message before deleting it, so I'm already in the inbox when I delete
it.
Proton's mail client doesn't do this, and it's nice. Though I still
catch myself reflexively going back to the inbox before deleting
there.
Yeah I always just delete from the Inbox. No biggie.
I have to say, it is pretty nice to delete right from the message viewer without having to worry about changing the state of another message in
the mailbox. If this were configurable in Apple's client, I'd still turn
it off even though I now have the habit of returning to the mailbox
before deleting.
Am 03.07.23 um 17:51 schrieb badgolferman:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 03.07.23 um 15:45 schrieb badgolferman:
All other mail
programs have options to do that
Which are?
Gmail, Outlook, Proton, you name it.
Gmail: Spyware from Google
Outlook: An Ukrainian relay server reads your mails and has almost
nothing to do with what $MS$ sells for corporations or PCs.
Proton: I use it too but it can only be used for Proton-Mail.
There is no alternative mail-program i.e. a FOSS-solution which deserves
a comparison to the not very satisfactory iOS-Mail. The situation is different for Macs. But even there Apple's mail solution is inferior crap.
Home routers are crap. Apple used to sell their own at one point.
The OpenWRT project seems ok, but the trick is finding a commercial
router that you don’t have to go through a bunch of command line
tricks to get barely functional. So even if I decided to go all in
with Free BSD based pfSense, I would be in the same pickle of finding
a decent WiFi AP setup.
So all OpenWRT on a router or a Pi…
Home routers are crap. Apple used to sell their own at one point. The
OpenWRT project seems ok, but the trick is finding a commercial router that you dont have to go through a bunch of command line tricks to get barely functional. So even if I decided to go all in with Free BSD based pfSense,
I would be in the same pickle of finding a decent WiFi AP setup.
On 2023-07-03, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
Home routers are crap. Apple used to sell their own at one point.
One of the engineers on Apple's Airport Extreme team left the company
and started his own in order to make more powerful networking equipment
for prosumers and professionals. And having used their equipment I'm
happy to report not only are they Apple-like in their design and
initial setup, but they are far more configurable and powerful:
<https://www.ui.com>
Their stuff is top-notch. Highly recommended.
On 2023-07-03 17:14, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-07-03, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
Home routers are crap. Apple used to sell their own at one point.
One of the engineers on Apple's Airport Extreme team left the company
and started his own in order to make more powerful networking
equipment for prosumers and professionals. And having used their
equipment I'm happy to report not only are they Apple-like in their
design and initial setup, but they are far more configurable and
powerful:
<https://www.ui.com>
Their stuff is top-notch. Highly recommended.
I started using Ubiquiti's stuff before I new about the Apple
connection, and I second the recommendation.
It's got that "it just works" thing going on.
On 2023-07-04, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-07-03 17:14, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-07-03, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
Home routers are crap. Apple used to sell their own at one point.
One of the engineers on Apple's Airport Extreme team left the company
and started his own in order to make more powerful networking
equipment for prosumers and professionals. And having used their
equipment I'm happy to report not only are they Apple-like in their
design and initial setup, but they are far more configurable and
powerful:
<https://www.ui.com>
Their stuff is top-notch. Highly recommended.
I started using Ubiquiti's stuff before I new about the Apple
connection, and I second the recommendation.
It's got that "it just works" thing going on.
Yep, and the quality is very good as well - way better than most
consumer networking equipment.
On 2023-07-03, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 03.07.23 um 18:10 schrieb Jolly Roger:
TBF, it's not actually an *option* in some of those - it's just a
different *default* behavior. For instance, I'm not aware of any
setting for this in Proton's mail client.
I'm sure whoever decided to make this the default behavior in Apple's
client had good intentions, but the drawbacks outweigh any benefit as
far as I'm concerned.
Yes. It depends on the way someone uses and works with mails. The fact
that it cannot be changed is the drawback.
Not the only drawback, since the opposite default behavior of returning
to the inbox view without marking the next message as read is arguably
more desirable. Not only shouldn't this be the default behavior (IMHO),
but it should *also* be configurable.
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 03.07.23 um 17:51 schrieb badgolferman:Doesn’t Apple limit misbehavior of apps available through the store?
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 03.07.23 um 15:45 schrieb badgolferman:
All other mail
programs have options to do that
Which are?
Gmail, Outlook, Proton, you name it.
Gmail: Spyware from Google
Outlook: An Ukrainian relay server reads your mails and has almost
nothing to do with what $MS$ sells for corporations or PCs.
Proton: I use it too but it can only be used for Proton-Mail.It would be nice to have a Thunderbird like app that did mail and usenet.
There is no alternative mail-program i.e. a FOSS-solution which deserves
a comparison to the not very satisfactory iOS-Mail. The situation is
different for Macs. But even there Apple's mail solution is inferior crap. >>
On 2023-07-03, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Proton: I use it too but it can only be used for Proton-Mail.
That's not relevant to the discussion of which client return to the
inbox after deleting a message.
In article <TbudnTL4Qcda0z75nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
Home routers are crap. Apple used to sell their own at one point. The
OpenWRT project seems ok, but the trick is finding a commercial router that >> you don¹t have to go through a bunch of command line tricks to get barely >> functional. So even if I decided to go all in with Free BSD based pfSense, >> I would be in the same pickle of finding a decent WiFi AP setup.
openwrt is a bitch to manage. pfsense is very good, but also a bitch to manage.
On 2023-07-03, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
Home routers are crap. Apple used to sell their own at one point.
One of the engineers on Apple's Airport Extreme team left the company
and started his own in order to make more powerful networking equipment
for prosumers and professionals. And having used their equipment I'm
happy to report not only are they Apple-like in their design and
initial setup, but they are far more configurable and powerful:
<https://www.ui.com>
Their stuff is top-notch. Highly recommended.
The OpenWRT project seems ok, but the trick is finding a commercial
router that you don’t have to go through a bunch of command line
tricks to get barely functional. So even if I decided to go all in
with Free BSD based pfSense, I would be in the same pickle of finding
a decent WiFi AP setup.
I look at OpenWRT and see tedious babysitting.
So all OpenWRT on a router or a Pi…
Neither for me!
On 2023-07-03 20:14, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-07-03, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
Home routers are crap. Apple used to sell their own at one point.
One of the engineers on Apple's Airport Extreme team left the company
and started his own in order to make more powerful networking
equipment for prosumers and professionals. And having used their
equipment I'm happy to report not only are they Apple-like in their
design and initial setup, but they are far more configurable and
powerful:
<https://www.ui.com>
Their stuff is top-notch. Highly recommended.
Very good. But for a household a little over the top (for those of us
who don't live in mansions).
The OpenWRT project seems ok, but the trick is finding a commercial
router that you don’t have to go through a bunch of command line
tricks to get barely functional. So even if I decided to go all in
with Free BSD based pfSense, I would be in the same pickle of
finding a decent WiFi AP setup.
I look at OpenWRT and see tedious babysitting.
I've set up a few WRT's with various routers (Netgear, Linksys,
D-Link) and (at that time) they were easy to set up / configure.
They were also not able to keep up with the ISP data rate on WiFi -
not even close.
So all OpenWRT on a router or a Pi…
Neither for me!
Rasp Pi 4 is a joy to use. Esp. sans OS.
On 2023-07-04, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-07-03 20:14, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-07-03, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
Home routers are crap. Apple used to sell their own at one point.
One of the engineers on Apple's Airport Extreme team left the company
and started his own in order to make more powerful networking
equipment for prosumers and professionals. And having used their
equipment I'm happy to report not only are they Apple-like in their
design and initial setup, but they are far more configurable and
powerful:
<https://www.ui.com>
Their stuff is top-notch. Highly recommended.
Very good. But for a household a little over the top (for those of us
who don't live in mansions).
The Dream Machine at $299 and Dream Router at $199.00 are both perfectly suitable for even small households:
<https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-unifi-gateway-consoles/products/udm>
<https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-unifi-gateway-consoles/products/udr>
And you can easily extend from there as your needs grow:
<https://store.ui.com/us/en?category=all-wifi>
The OpenWRT project seems ok, but the trick is finding a commercial
router that you don’t have to go through a bunch of command line
tricks to get barely functional. So even if I decided to go all in
with Free BSD based pfSense, I would be in the same pickle of
finding a decent WiFi AP setup.
I look at OpenWRT and see tedious babysitting.
I've set up a few WRT's with various routers (Netgear, Linksys,
D-Link) and (at that time) they were easy to set up / configure.
Nowhere near as easy as Unifi's stuff, and requires *way* more
babysitting and maintenance.
They were also not able to keep up with the ISP data rate on WiFi -
not even close.
That's to be expected. Netgear's, Linksys's, and D-Link's router
offerings are weak in comparison.
So all OpenWRT on a router or a Pi…
Neither for me!
Rasp Pi 4 is a joy to use. Esp. sans OS.
It's not suitable for a router, IMO.
openwrt is a bitch to manage. pfsense is very good, but also a bitch to manage.
What was hard to manage? I had little issue with it - it set up pretty
much like any other router (I put it in several routers: Netgear,
D-Link, LinkSys). Not using it presently.
On 2023-07-04 10:22, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-07-04, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-07-03 20:14, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-07-03, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
Home routers are crap. Apple used to sell their own at one point.
One of the engineers on Apple's Airport Extreme team left the
company and started his own in order to make more powerful
networking equipment for prosumers and professionals. And having
used their equipment I'm happy to report not only are they
Apple-like in their design and initial setup, but they are far more
configurable and powerful:
<https://www.ui.com>
Their stuff is top-notch. Highly recommended.
Very good. But for a household a little over the top (for those of
us who don't live in mansions).
The Dream Machine at $299 and Dream Router at $199.00 are both
perfectly suitable for even small households:
<https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-unifi-gateway-consoles/products/udm>
<https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-unifi-gateway-consoles/products/udr>
And you can easily extend from there as your needs grow:
<https://store.ui.com/us/en?category=all-wifi>
I paid around CAD $90 for my tp-link WiFi router. Not very well
placed (one end of the house) but still get great coverage even in the
garden at the other end of the house - sometimes have to force the
iPhone onto 2.4 GHz, however.
On 2023-07-04, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-07-04 10:22, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-07-04, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-07-03 20:14, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-07-03, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
Home routers are crap. Apple used to sell their own at one point.
One of the engineers on Apple's Airport Extreme team left the
company and started his own in order to make more powerful
networking equipment for prosumers and professionals. And having
used their equipment I'm happy to report not only are they
Apple-like in their design and initial setup, but they are far more
configurable and powerful:
<https://www.ui.com>
Their stuff is top-notch. Highly recommended.
Very good. But for a household a little over the top (for those of
us who don't live in mansions).
The Dream Machine at $299 and Dream Router at $199.00 are both
perfectly suitable for even small households:
<https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-unifi-gateway-consoles/products/udm>
<https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-unifi-gateway-consoles/products/udr>
And you can easily extend from there as your needs grow:
<https://store.ui.com/us/en?category=all-wifi>
I paid around CAD $90 for my tp-link WiFi router. Not very well
placed (one end of the house) but still get great coverage even in the
garden at the other end of the house - sometimes have to force the
iPhone onto 2.4 GHz, however.
You seem to have mistaken my comment as some sort of pissing contest for
who makes the cheapest equipment, but my point is that Ubiquiti makes equipment that is very suitable for home use and is not very expensive.
Yes, you can find cheaper routers, but they are crap in comparison in
terms of quality and performance.
In article <6NVoM.9128$t9v6.7281@fx15.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
openwrt is a bitch to manage. pfsense is very good, but also a bitch to
manage.
What was hard to manage? I had little issue with it - it set up pretty
much like any other router (I put it in several routers: Netgear,
D-Link, LinkSys). Not using it presently.
the gui is nowhere near as intuitive as the usual crop of routers and
it often needs the command line.
the easiest gui is synology, plus the hardware is very capable.
the rt2600 is an older model. the current one is the rt6600ax. <https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/12/31/review-80211ac-synology-rt26 00ac-router-is-the-best-airport-replacement-weve-found-yet>
openwrt is a bitch to manage. pfsense is very good, but also a bitch to >>> manage.
What was hard to manage? I had little issue with it - it set up pretty
much like any other router (I put it in several routers: Netgear,
D-Link, LinkSys). Not using it presently.
Just realized I was using DD-WRT not OpenWRT in the past - may have
something to do with it.
Am 04.07.23 um 00:17 schrieb Jolly Roger:
On 2023-07-03, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 03.07.23 um 18:10 schrieb Jolly Roger:
TBF, it's not actually an *option* in some of those - it's just a
different *default* behavior. For instance, I'm not aware of any
setting for this in Proton's mail client.
I'm sure whoever decided to make this the default behavior in Apple's
client had good intentions, but the drawbacks outweigh any benefit as
far as I'm concerned.
Yes. It depends on the way someone uses and works with mails. The fact
that it cannot be changed is the drawback.
Not the only drawback, since the opposite default behavior of returning
to the inbox view without marking the next message as read is arguably
more desirable. Not only shouldn't this be the default behavior (IMHO),
but it should *also* be configurable.
My words exactly.
*SIC*
For better or worse, I just use the mail apps themselves anymore. It was
cool to have multiple email accounts combined on the Apple mail app though.
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
...
*SIC*
SIC?
Am 05.07.23 um 18:42 schrieb Ant:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
...
*SIC*
SIC?
Google defect?
The Latin adverb sic (pronounced [si??k]; "thus", "just as"; in full: sic erat scriptum, "thus was it written")[1] inserted after a quoted word or passage indicates that the quoted matter has been transcribed or
translated exactly as found in the source text, complete with any
erroneous, archaic, or otherwise nonstandard spelling, punctuation, or grammar. It also applies to any surprising assertion, faulty reasoning,
or other matter that might be interpreted as an error of transcription.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic
Am 05.07.23 um 18:42 schrieb Ant:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
...
*SIC*
SIC?
Google defect?
The Latin adverb sic (pronounced [siːk]; "thus", "just as"; in full: sic erat scriptum, "thus was it written")[1] inserted after a quoted word or passage indicates that the quoted matter has been transcribed or
translated exactly as found in the source text, complete with any
erroneous, archaic, or otherwise nonstandard spelling, punctuation, or grammar. It also applies to any surprising assertion, faulty reasoning,
or other matter that might be interpreted as an error of transcription.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 05.07.23 um 18:42 schrieb Ant:Here’s one for you:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
...
*SIC*
SIC?
Google defect?
The Latin adverb sic (pronounced [siːk]; "thus", "just as"; in full: sic
erat scriptum, "thus was it written")[1] inserted after a quoted word or
passage indicates that the quoted matter has been transcribed or
translated exactly as found in the source text, complete with any
erroneous, archaic, or otherwise nonstandard spelling, punctuation, or
grammar. It also applies to any surprising assertion, faulty reasoning,
or other matter that might be interpreted as an error of transcription.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedantic
Especially in response to your elitist dis of T-bird.
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 05.07.23 um 18:42 schrieb Ant:
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
...
*SIC*
SIC?
Google defect?
The Latin adverb sic (pronounced [si??k]; "thus", "just as"; in full: sic
erat scriptum, "thus was it written")[1] inserted after a quoted word or
passage indicates that the quoted matter has been transcribed or
translated exactly as found in the source text, complete with any
erroneous, archaic, or otherwise nonstandard spelling, punctuation, or
grammar. It also applies to any surprising assertion, faulty reasoning,
or other matter that might be interpreted as an error of transcription.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic
Oh, I thought it was an acronymn since the letters were capitalized.
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 03.07.23 um 17:51 schrieb badgolferman:Doesn’t Apple limit misbehavior of apps available through the store?
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Am 03.07.23 um 15:45 schrieb badgolferman:
All other mail
programs have options to do that
Which are?
Gmail, Outlook, Proton, you name it.
Gmail: Spyware from Google
Outlook: An Ukrainian relay server reads your mails and has almost
nothing to do with what $MS$ sells for corporations or PCs.
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