The phone doesn't even come with a USB cord, plug or headphones, as
Murena says it wants to encourage customers to use accessories they
already have around the house.
where have i heard that before?
In article <xn0o40nsi8t3bhh005@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
The phone doesn't even come with a USB cord, plug or headphones, as
Murena says it wants to encourage customers to use accessories they
already have around the house.
where have i heard that before?
There are some tradeoffs, including the choice of carriers: Using a
Fairphone 4 with anyone besides T-Mobile is "is not recommended,"
according to Murena.
that rules out sms.
The phone doesn't even come with a USB cord, plug or headphones, as
Murena says it wants to encourage customers to use accessories they
already have around the house.
There are some tradeoffs, including the choice of carriers: Using a
Fairphone 4 with anyone besides T-Mobile is "is not recommended,"
according to Murena.
What is your opinion about the modular design and consumer friendly repair capability?
In article <u86nsb$vpc0$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
What is your opinion about the modular design and consumer friendly repair >> capability?
great concept in theory, but has many tradeoffs and not commercially
viable. the masses don't care about any of that. it's a niche product.
In article <u86pej$vu4v$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
What is your opinion about the modular design and consumer friendly repair >>>> capability?
great concept in theory, but has many tradeoffs and not commercially
viable. the masses don't care about any of that. it's a niche product.
Okay. It¹s not needed and no one wants it.
not what i said.
nospam wrote:
The phone doesn't even come with a USB cord, plug or headphones, as
Murena says it wants to encourage customers to use accessories they
already have around the house.
where have i heard that before?
Advertising is all about false pretences that only gullible people believe.
The whole point of advertising is to raise the price by hiding the bad and trying to make a great story out of the (usually) little good that exists.
Take an iPhone. https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/products/iphone/iPhone_12_PER_Oct2020.pdf
Apple advertises that it's a responsible recycler.
But read the fine print and you'll see that it's not. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-10-17/maybe-apple-isn-t-as-green-as-it-claims
What is your opinion about the modular design and consumer friendly
repair
capability?
great concept in theory, but has many tradeoffs and not commercially
viable. the masses don't care about any of that. it's a niche product. >>>
Okay. It1s not needed and no one wants it.
not what i said.
But what you implied.
What is your opinion about the modular design and consumer friendly repair >> capability?
great concept in theory, but has many tradeoffs and not commercially viable. the masses don't care about any of that. it's a niche product.
Okay. Its not needed and no one wants it.
The phone doesn't even come with a USB cord, plug or headphones, as
Murena says it wants to encourage customers to use accessories they
already have around the house.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <u86nsb$vpc0$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
What is your opinion about the modular design and consumer friendly repair >>> capability?
great concept in theory, but has many tradeoffs and not commercially
viable. the masses don't care about any of that. it's a niche product.
Okay. It’s not needed and no one wants it.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <u86nsb$vpc0$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
What is your opinion about the modular design and consumer friendly
repair capability?
great concept in theory, but has many tradeoffs and not commercially
viable. the masses don't care about any of that. it's a niche
product.
Okay. It’s not needed and no one wants it.
You need to look up the word “niche”. It does not mean “no one wants it”. It means a subset of people will want it. Not for everyone.
Am 06.07.23 um 18:24 schrieb nospam:
In article <u86pej$vu4v$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
What is your opinion about the modular design and consumer
friendly repair capability?
great concept in theory, but has many tradeoffs and not
commercially viable. the masses don't care about any of that. it's
a niche product.
Okay. It¹s not needed and no one wants it.
not what i said.
But what you implied.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
The phone doesn't even come with a USB cord, plug or headphones, as
Murena says it wants to encourage customers to use accessories they
already have around the house.
But when Apple does that, Apple is going for “more profits”.
No double standard to see here folks. Move along.
Am 06.07.23 um 18:24 schrieb nospam:
In article <u86pej$vu4v$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
What is your opinion about the modular design and consumer friendly repair
capability?
great concept in theory, but has many tradeoffs and not commercially
viable. the masses don't care about any of that. it's a niche product. >>>>
Okay. It¹s not needed and no one wants it.
not what i said.
But what you implied.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
The phone doesn't even come with a USB cord, plug or headphones, as
Murena says it wants to encourage customers to use accessories they
already have around the house.
But when Apple does that, Apple is going for “more profits”.
On 2023-07-06, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <u86nsb$vpc0$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
What is your opinion about the modular design and consumer friendly
repair capability?
great concept in theory, but has many tradeoffs and not commercially
viable. the masses don't care about any of that. it's a niche
product.
Okay. It’s not needed and no one wants it.
You need to look up the word “niche”. It does not mean “no one wants >> it”. It means a subset of people will want it. Not for everyone.
He's trolling as usual, which is why he posted this off-topic shit to
the iPhone newsgroup in the first place.
What is your opinion about the modular design and consumer friendly >>>>> repair capability?
great concept in theory, but has many tradeoffs and not commercially >>>> viable. the masses don't care about any of that. it's a niche
product.
Okay. Its not needed and no one wants it.
You need to look up the word niche. It does not mean no one wants
it. It means a subset of people will want it. Not for everyone.
He's trolling as usual, which is why he posted this off-topic shit to
the iPhone newsgroup in the first place.
Heres your iPhone related bit:
Even the Fairphone's five-year warranty outstrips the iPhone's standard one-year guarantee.
Also the article makes it a point that the new phone will be repairable by consumers. This has been a hot topic in this group lately.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2023-07-06, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <u86nsb$vpc0$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
What is your opinion about the modular design and consumer
friendly repair capability?
great concept in theory, but has many tradeoffs and not
commercially viable. the masses don't care about any of that. it's
a niche product.
Okay. It’s not needed and no one wants it.
You need to look up the word “niche”. It does not mean “no one
wants it”. It means a subset of people will want it. Not for
everyone.
He's trolling as usual, which is why he posted this off-topic shit to
the iPhone newsgroup in the first place.
Here’s your iPhone related bit: “Even the Fairphone's five-year
warranty outstrips the iPhone's standard one-year guarantee.”
Also the article makes it a point that the new phone will be
repairable by consumers. This has been a hot topic in this group
lately.
anything that disagrees with your agenda
Here’s your iPhone related bit:
“Even the Fairphone's five-year warranty outstrips the iPhone's standard one-year guarantee.”
Also the article makes it a point that the new phone will be repairable by consumers. This has been a hot topic in this group lately.
Of course anything that disagrees with your agenda is labeled a “troll” because you’re the only one allowed to disagree with anybody.
Here’s your iPhone related bit:
“Even the Fairphone's five-year warranty outstrips the iPhone's standard one-year guarantee.”
Okay. It's not needed and no one wants it.
You need to look up the word "niche". It does not mean "no one wants it".
It means a subset of people will want it. Not for everyone.
Speaking of "agendas", why don't you go into an Android group and post something about a new iPhone? What kind of response would you expect? Is that something you would even consider doing?
Take an iPhone.
https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/products/iphone/iPhone_12_PER_Oct2020.pdf
Apple advertises that it's a responsible recycler.
But read the fine print and you'll see that it's not.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-10-17/maybe-apple-isn-t-as-green-as-it-claims
So you have a subscription to Bloomberg, do you?
again, that's nice, except that very few consumers actually do that.
It's always your nutcase excuse for the reason why thousands of useful features are available on all platforms except iOS is "nobody wants it?"
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
again, that's nice, except that very few consumers actually do that.
Why is it always nospam's excuse for the reason why thousands of useful features are available on all platforms except iOS is "nobody wants it?"
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Here’s your iPhone related bit:
“Even the Fairphone's five-year warranty outstrips the iPhone's
standard one-year guarantee.”
Also the article makes it a point that the new phone will be
repairable by consumers. This has been a hot topic in this group
lately.
Of course anything that disagrees with your agenda is labeled a >>“troll” because you’re the only one allowed to disagree with >>anybody.
Not at all. Its just that this would be more interesting - not to
mention on topic - in an Android group. This is just another
Android phone announcement. What makes you think anyone here would
be interested?
Speaking of “agendas”, why don’t you go into an Android group and post >something about a new iPhone? What kind of response would you
expect? Is that something you would even consider doing?
Bob Campbell wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Here’s your iPhone related bit:
“Even the Fairphone's five-year warranty outstrips the iPhone's
standard one-year guarantee.”
Also the article makes it a point that the new phone will be
repairable by consumers. This has been a hot topic in this group
lately.
Of course anything that disagrees with your agenda is labeled a
“troll” because you’re the only one allowed to disagree with
anybody.
Not at all. Its just that this would be more interesting - not to
mention on topic - in an Android group. This is just another
Android phone announcement. What makes you think anyone here would
be interested?
Speaking of “agendas”, why don’t you go into an Android group and post >> something about a new iPhone? What kind of response would you
expect? Is that something you would even consider doing?
I'm an iPhone user and have been since 2010. I have no reason to
subscribe to an android group. As I said, the article touched on the
very topics we've had in this group recently and I felt it was
pertinent to show other manufacturers have found ways to address the
very things we want Apple to do. But that's fine, consider me a troll
and just killfile me. That will help you to remain ignorant.
Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote
Speaking of "agendas", why don't you go into an Android group and post
something about a new iPhone? What kind of response would you expect? Is >> that something you would even consider doing?
Luckily you're not on the Android newsgroup because they talk like normal people about the differences between the iPhone and the Android phones.
They're not like you are.
Nobody is.
You Apple nutcases are uniquely Apple nutcases.
You're like Muslims reacting to a cartoon about their prophet.
It's always your nutcase excuse for the reason why thousands of useful features are available on all platforms except iOS is "nobody wants it?"
Apple is a religion for some people.
A very contentious one.
In Steve Job's name
Amen.
Apple is a religion for some people.
Allah forbids it!
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
It's always your nutcase excuse for the reason why thousands of useful
features are available on all platforms except iOS is "nobody wants it?"
But Arlen, nospam never said that. YOU said that.
The phone doesn't even come with a USB cord, plug or headphones, as
Murena says it wants to encourage customers to use accessories they
already have around the house.
But when Apple does that, Apple is going for “more profits”.
No. Both companies are trying to maximize profit. That's what
companies do ( though rarely admit).
They just use a different sales pitch (con) to sell their stuff.
many people like their products, but that doesn't make it a religion.
Apple is a religion for some people.
A very contentious one.
In Steve Job's name
Amen.
On 06/07/2023 at 21:01, Bob Campbell wrote:
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
It's always your nutcase excuse for the reason why thousands of
useful features are available on all platforms except iOS is "nobody
wants it?"
But Arlen, nospam never said that. YOU said that.
What is this obsession with "Arlen"? Is he (whoever he is) the
equivalent of 1984's Goldstein?
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
again, that's nice, except that very few consumers actually do that.
Why is it always nospam's excuse for the reason why thousands of useful
features are available on all platforms except iOS is "nobody wants it?"
But Arlen, nospam never said that. YOU said that.
Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote
Okay. It's not needed and no one wants it.
You need to look up the word "niche". It does not mean "no one
wants it". It means a subset of people will want it. Not for
everyone.
Why is it always nospam's excuse for the reason why thousands of
useful features are available on all platforms except iOS is "nobody
wants it?"
In article <t5FpM.7607$PbF4.7097@fx07.iad>, Hank Rogers
<hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Apple is a religion for some people.
nope.
many people like their products, but that doesn't make it a religion.
Hank Rogers wrote:
Apple is a religion for some people.
A very contentious one.
In Steve Job's name
Amen.
Sadly I believe you are correct. They certainly act like their God has
been insulted and attack the messenger ruthlessly. They remind me of
the religious Moslem zealots who attack journalists, newspapers and
anyone else who dares point out the shortcomings of their belief
system. Ironically it's the very same zealots who become the most
vocal critics of their religion when they find out they've been lied to
and used the whole time.
Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote
Allah forbids it!
There is no difference between how these Apple nutcases react to any truth about Apple & Muslims reacting to any cartoon about their revered prophet.
badgolferman wrote:
Bob Campbell wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Here’s your iPhone related bit:
“Even the Fairphone's five-year warranty outstrips the iPhone's
standard one-year guarantee.â€
Also the article makes it a point that the new phone will be
repairable by consumers. This has been a hot topic in this group
lately.
Of course anything that disagrees with your agenda is labeled a
“troll†because you’re the only one allowed to disagree with
anybody.
Not at all. Its just that this would be more interesting - not to
mention on topic - in an Android group. This is just another
Android phone announcement. What makes you think anyone here would
be interested?
Speaking of “agendasâ€, why don’t you go into an Android group
and post
something about a new iPhone? What kind of response would you
expect? Is that something you would even consider doing?
I'm an iPhone user and have been since 2010. I have no reason to
subscribe to an android group. As I said, the article touched on the
very topics we've had in this group recently and I felt it was
pertinent to show other manufacturers have found ways to address the
very things we want Apple to do. But that's fine, consider me a troll
and just killfile me. That will help you to remain ignorant.
Apple is a religion for some people.
A very contentious one.
In Steve Job's name
Amen.
Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote
Speaking of "agendas", why don't you go into an Android group and post
something about a new iPhone? What kind of response would you expect? Is >> that something you would even consider doing?
Luckily you're not on the Android newsgroup because they talk like normal people about the differences between the iPhone and the Android phones.
They're not like you are.
Nobody is.
You Apple nutcases are uniquely Apple nutcases.
You're like Muslims reacting to a cartoon about their prophet.
It's always your nutcase excuse for the reason why thousands of useful features are available on all platforms except iOS is "nobody wants it?"
The Fairphone 4's modular design makes it easy to repair and
customize, thereby postponing a full upgrade: The battery is
removable, and the camera array, USB-C port, loudspeaker and body are
all individual components, with replacement parts available to US
customers on the Murena website. The company says repairs can be made
with a standard screwdriver.
Even the Fairphone's five-year warranty outstrips the iPhone's
standard one-year guarantee.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
many people like their products, but that doesn't make it a religion.
It's a religion to wackos like you who make up a different excuse for each
of the thousands of useful things every platform can do except for iOS.
I think it's sad that this article about a new device which has some outstanding features has turned into a shit throwing thread about who's
a troll and who's an apologist. Let's discuss the merit of these new features!
Why is it always nospam's excuse for the reason why thousands of
useful features are available on all platforms except iOS is "nobody
wants it?"
The record shows the people making that claim are the regular trolls
Apple is a religion for some people.
nope.
many people like their products, but that doesn't make it a religion.
I like and use their products. I don't think a telephone is
sacred or holy. I don't nobly defend every minute thing related
to apple.
You do.
In article <xn0o40xmk96gowe004@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it's sad that this article about a new device which has some
outstanding features has turned into a shit throwing thread about who's
a troll and who's an apologist. Let's discuss the merit of these new
features!
it's not a compelling device. it runs /e/, an android build that can be installed on several different android phones and the repairability
isn't something that most people care about. it's a niche product.
i also point out the abundant hypocrisy. for example:
apple no longer includes headphones or a power adapter = bad
google, samsung, etc. does the same thing = perfectly fine
So, they reply with something like "Not needed, Nobody wants".
Pricing for the Fairphone 4 starts at $629 for 128GB of storage or $699
for a 256GB device.
https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/fairphone-4-a-phone-for-those-who-care-about-sustainability-not-megapixels/
badgolferman wrote:
The Fairphone 4's modular design makes it easy to repair and
customize, thereby postponing a full upgrade: The battery is
removable, and the camera array, USB-C port, loudspeaker and body are
all individual components, with replacement parts available to US
customers on the Murena website. The company says repairs can be made
with a standard screwdriver.
Even the Fairphone's five-year warranty outstrips the iPhone's
standard one-year guarantee.
I think it's sad that this article about a new device which has some outstanding features has turned into a shit throwing thread about who's
a troll and who's an apologist. Let's discuss the merit of these new features!
Smartphone manufacturers usually tout improved camera features and
other specs, but a new player in the US market is banking on social responsibility.
Murena's Fairphone 4 is made from "fairly sourced and recycled
materials" by workers paid a living wage, according to the Dutch manufacturer.
Available in Europe since 2021, the device has now landed in the US,
powered by Murena's /e/ operating system, a modified take on the
Android OS that Murena says is designed to protect user privacy.
In a statement, Fairphone CEO Eva Gouwens called the launch "a great opportunity for us to pilot selling devices in the US ... and learn
more about the American market."
The Fairphone 4's modular design makes it easy to repair and customize, thereby postponing a full upgrade: The battery is removable, and the
camera array, USB-C port, loudspeaker and body are all individual
components, with replacement parts available to US customers on the
Murena website. The company says repairs can be made with a standard screwdriver.
Even the Fairphone's five-year warranty outstrips the iPhone's standard one-year guarantee.
The phone market has matured to the point where companies don't really
have anything new to offer, Murena CEO Gaël Duval told CNET in an
email, "just a few more megapixels on the camera." (For what it's
worth, the Murena Fairphone 4 features a dual 48MP rear camera and a
25MP front-facing camera.)
"With sustainability and privacy combined, we are answering new and
growing market needs," Duval added. "Who really needs more megapixels
while the planet is heating and the climate is changing so fast?"
The Fairphone 4 is the only option in the US market that's TCO
Certified, a sustainability certification for IT products that examines socially responsible manufacturing, environmental impact, user health
and safety, product lifetime extension and other factors. It also
carries the German government's Blue Angel label, awarded based on durability, energy efficiency, recyclability and emissions.
The phone doesn't even come with a USB cord, plug or headphones, as
Murena says it wants to encourage customers to use accessories they
already have around the house.
Beyond sustainability, the Fairphone is a standout in user privacy.
While Google has paid millions to settle data privacy and
location-tracking lawsuits, Murena says its /e/ OS is a DeGoogled
version of Android.
"We don't scan your data in your phone or in your cloud space, and we
don't track your location hundred times a day or collect what you're
doing with your apps," a statement on the company's website says.
You can still download Google apps if you want, The Verge reported, but Murena claims it snags them directly from the Play Store without giving Google your personal details.
There are some tradeoffs, including the choice of carriers: Using a
Fairphone 4 with anyone besides T-Mobile is "is not recommended,"
according to Murena.
There's also the wait. Per the Murena website, the phone is currently
only available on backorder.
Pricing for the Fairphone 4 starts at $629 for 128GB of storage or $699
for a 256GB device.
https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/fairphone-4-a-phone-for-those-who-care-about-sustainability-not-megapixels/
It's a mid-range phone at a flagship price. Plus apparently it will only
work on T-Mobile in the U.S.. Plus they forgot LTE band 66 which is
useful on T-Mobile. Plus there is no 5G mmWave. Plus it's an LCD not an AMOLED screen. Plus no wireless charging. Plus the IP rating is only 54.
Plus it's overpriced. The design is two years old.
Notice you can't refute that nospam always claims that the reason iOS can't do what every other operating system does is that "nobody wants it", but
all you can say is you don't like the people who happened to point it out.
badgolferman wrote:
The Fairphone 4's modular design makes it easy to repair and
customize, thereby postponing a full upgrade: The battery is
removable, and the camera array, USB-C port, loudspeaker and body are
all individual components, with replacement parts available to US
customers on the Murena website. The company says repairs can be made
with a standard screwdriver.
Even the Fairphone's five-year warranty outstrips the iPhone's
standard one-year guarantee.
I think it's sad that this article about a new device which has some outstanding features has turned into a shit throwing thread about who's
a troll and who's an apologist.
I think its sad that you posted this Android phone press release in an
Apple newsgroup. Why not post it in an Android group? At least it would be on topic there.
I think it's sad that this article about a new device which has some outstanding features has turned into a shit throwing thread about who's
a troll and who's an apologist. Let's discuss the merit of these new features!
Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> said:
I think its sad that you posted this Android phone press release in an
Apple newsgroup. Why not post it in an Android group? At least it would >> be on topic there.
If it was posted to an Android newsgroup it would be discussed normally.
On its merits.
That's never what happens on an Apple newsgroup because of you nut cases.
You Apple nut jobs claim nobody wants what everyone else except iOS has.
badgolferman wrote:
The Fairphone 4i blah blah blah blah
I think it's sad that this article about a new device blah blah blah
Let's discuss the merit of these new features!
Bob Campbell wrote:
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
again, that's nice, except that very few consumers actually do
that.
Why is it always nospam's excuse for the reason why thousands of
useful features are available on all platforms except iOS is "nobody
wants it?"
But Arlen, nospam never said that. YOU said that.
nospam previously used the "Not needed/ Nobody wants" mantra
On 7/6/23 11:35 AM, badgolferman wrote:
Murena's Fairphone 4 blah blah blah
WTF gives a rat's ass...
On 7/6/2023 2:49 PM, badgolferman wrote:
badgolferman wrote:
The Fairphone 4's modular design makes it easy to repair and
customize, thereby postponing a full upgrade: The battery is
removable, and the camera array, USB-C port, loudspeaker and body
are all individual components, with replacement parts available
to US customers on the Murena website. The company says repairs
can be made with a standard screwdriver.
Even the Fairphone's five-year warranty outstrips the iPhone's
standard one-year guarantee.
I think it's sad that this article about a new device which has some >>outstanding features has turned into a shit throwing thread about
who's a troll and who's an apologist.
מַה נִּשְׁתַּנָּה, הַלַּיְלָה הַזֶּה מִכָּל הַלֵּילוֹת
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
It's a mid-range phone at a flagship price. Plus apparently it will only
work on T-Mobile in the U.S.. Plus they forgot LTE band 66 which is
useful on T-Mobile. Plus there is no 5G mmWave. Plus it's an LCD not an
AMOLED screen. Plus no wireless charging. Plus the IP rating is only 54.
Plus it's overpriced. The design is two years old.
IOW, its yet another POS Android phone. Which no one here would be interested in.
But hey, if trolls were interested in being on topic and presenting
something useful, they would no longer be trolls.
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
It's a mid-range phone at a flagship price. Plus apparently it will only
work on T-Mobile in the U.S.. Plus they forgot LTE band 66 which is
useful on T-Mobile. Plus there is no 5G mmWave. Plus it's an LCD not an
AMOLED screen. Plus no wireless charging. Plus the IP rating is only 54.
Plus it's overpriced. The design is two years old.
IOW, its yet another POS Android phone. Which no one here would be interested in.
But hey, if trolls were interested in being on topic and presenting
something useful, they would no longer be trolls.
Am 07.07.23 um 00:27 schrieb Bob Campbell:
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
It's a mid-range phone at a flagship price. Plus apparently it will only >>> work on T-Mobile in the U.S.. Plus they forgot LTE band 66 which is
useful on T-Mobile. Plus there is no 5G mmWave. Plus it's an LCD not an
AMOLED screen. Plus no wireless charging. Plus the IP rating is only 54. >>> Plus it's overpriced. The design is two years old.
IOW, its yet another POS Android phone. Which no one here would be
interested in.
But hey, if trolls were interested in being on topic and presenting
something useful, they would no longer be trolls.
*You*, Arlen, are the Troll.
On 7/6/2023 2:49 PM, badgolferman wrote:
<snip>
I think it's sad that this article about a new device which has some >>outstanding features has turned into a shit throwing thread about
who's a troll and who's an apologist. Let's discuss the merit of
these new features!
More appropriate to discuss in the Android group.
The article highlights its HARDWARE capabilities and consumer friendly repairability. Why is everyone focusing on the operating system?
Because I'm hopeful enough to think people will get past their petty
little fiefdom skirmishes.
In article <xn0o413tl9eut6u006@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
The article highlights its HARDWARE capabilities and consumer
friendly repairability. Why is everyone focusing on the operating
system?
without an operating system and more importantly, without apps, it's a >non-functional slab of metal and glass. i suppose the flashlight would
still work, so there is that.
Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> said:
I think its sad that you posted this Android phone press release in an
Apple newsgroup. Why not post it in an Android group? At least it would >> be on topic there.
If it was posted to an Android newsgroup it would be discussed normally.
On its merits.
The article highlights its HARDWARE capabilities and consumer
friendly repairability. Why is everyone focusing on the operating >>system?
without an operating system and more importantly, without apps, it's a >non-functional slab of metal and glass. i suppose the flashlight would >still work, so there is that.
It has an operating system and apps, but that's the least interesting
part of the whole deal.
On 07/07/23 01:42, badgolferman wrote:
Because I'm hopeful enough to think people will get past their petty
little fiefdom skirmishes.
Why is this newsgroup different from all the other newsgroups?
You are not allowed to ask a question which the dictators (Jolly Roger, nospam, Bob Campbell) feel has any chance of dishonoring their God.
If it was posted to an Android newsgroup it would be discussed normally.
On its merits.
So, what would happen if I posted an Apple press release about an iPhone in an Android group? Would everyone be willing to discuss it on its merits?
Uh huh, sure they would.
No phone costing more than $400 should still have an LCD screen or a
screen with less than 120Hz refresh (well except for the iPhone SE2022).
At that price the Fairphone 4 should have an AMOLED.
The article highlights its HARDWARE capabilities and consumer friendly repairability. Why is everyone focusing on the operating system?
If it was posted to an Android newsgroup it would be discussed normally. >>> On its merits.
So, what would happen if I posted an Apple press release about an iPhone in >> an Android group? Would everyone be willing to discuss it on its merits? >>
Uh huh, sure they would.
they do not like when iphones are mentioned.
Which is also why this topic "would be discussed on it merits" IN AN
ANDROID GROUP.
On Thu, 06 Jul 2023 23:02:33 -0400, nospam wrote:
If it was posted to an Android newsgroup it would be discussed normally. >>>> On its merits.
So, what would happen if I posted an Apple press release about an iPhone in >>> an Android group? Would everyone be willing to ģdiscuss it on its meritsē?
Uh huh, sure they would.
they do not like when iphones are mentioned.
This is false since there are three or four examples just this week of the iPhone being mentioned on the Android newsgroup (it happens frequently).
As long as the Apple nutcases aren't included, it's not a shitstorm.
In article <9s-dnfQTp-HN4jr5nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@supernews.com>, Bob
Campbell <none@none.none> wrote:
If it was posted to an Android newsgroup it would be discussed normally. >>> On its merits.
So, what would happen if I posted an Apple press release about an iPhone in >> an Android group? Would everyone be willing to ³discuss it on its merits²?
Uh huh, sure they would.
they do not like when iphones are mentioned.
On 06/07/23 21:32, Alan wrote:
I don't know who Bob Campbell is...
Look it up in the archives.
Bob Campbell = nospam = Jolly Roger = Wade Garrett
All his nyms started posting to this newsgroup on the exact same week!
(Two of them posted first to this newsgroup on the same day!)
As long as the Apple nutcases aren't included, it's not a shitstorm.
Yet the Android nutcases are ALWAYS here, causing a shitstorm.
No phone costing more than $400 should still have an LCD screen or a
screen with less than 120Hz refresh (well except for the iPhone SE2022).
On 7/6/2023 11:24 PM, Bob Campbell wrote:
Which is also why this topic "would be discussed on it merits" IN AN
ANDROID GROUP.
You can't possibly be unaware this only happens on Apple newsgroups.
There is ample proof...
I don't know who Bob Campbell is...
In article <xn0o415j49h6lwu008@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
The article highlights its HARDWARE capabilities and consumer
friendly repairability. Why is everyone focusing on the operating
system?
without an operating system and more importantly, without apps, it's a
non-functional slab of metal and glass. i suppose the flashlight would
still work, so there is that.
It has an operating system and apps, but that's the least interesting
part of the whole deal.
actually, that's what sets it apart from standard android. it's /e/,
which is a de-googled build (although not unique to just fairphone).
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
i also point out the abundant hypocrisy. for example:
apple no longer includes headphones or a power adapter = bad
google, samsung, etc. does the same thing = perfectly fine
Not to mention that the subject phone of this troll is also not including anything, but it of COURSE is touted as a feature.
Hypocrisy much?
Where is the criticism of this in the OT? Nowhere to be seen.
Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote
So, they reply with something like "Not needed, Nobody wants".
Notice they can't refute that nospam claims the main reason iOS can't
do what every other operating system does is that "nobody wants it", so
all they can say is they don't like the people who pointed that out.
sms wrote:
On 7/6/2023 2:49 PM, badgolferman wrote:
<snip>
I think it's sad that this article about a new device which has some
outstanding features has turned into a shit throwing thread about
who's a troll and who's an apologist. Let's discuss the merit of
these new features!
More appropriate to discuss in the Android group.
The article highlights its HARDWARE capabilities and consumer friendly repairability. Why is everyone focusing on the operating system?
Am 07.07.23 um 00:27 schrieb Bob Campbell:
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
It's a mid-range phone at a flagship price. Plus apparently it will
only work on T-Mobile in the U.S.. Plus they forgot LTE band 66
which is useful on T-Mobile. Plus there is no 5G mmWave. Plus it's
an LCD not an AMOLED screen. Plus no wireless charging. Plus the IP
rating is only 54. Plus it's overpriced. The design is two years
old.
IOW, its yet another POS Android phone. Which no one here would be
interested in.
That is none of your business. If you don't like it, skip it.
Am 07.07.23 um 00:27 schrieb Bob Campbell:
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
It's a mid-range phone at a flagship price. Plus apparently it will
only work on T-Mobile in the U.S.. Plus they forgot LTE band 66
which is useful on T-Mobile. Plus there is no 5G mmWave. Plus it's
an LCD not an AMOLED screen. Plus no wireless charging. Plus the IP
rating is only 54. Plus it's overpriced. The design is two years
old.
IOW, its yet another POS Android phone. Which no one here would be
interested in.
But hey, if trolls were interested in being on topic and presenting
something useful, they would no longer be trolls.
*You*, Arlen, are the Troll.
On 2023-07-06 21:31, Peter Moylin wrote:
On 06/07/23 21:32, Alan wrote:
I don't know who Bob Campbell is...
Look it up in the archives.
Bob Campbell = nospam = Jolly Roger = Wade Garrett
All his nyms started posting to this newsgroup on the exact same
week!
(Two of them posted first to this newsgroup on the same day!)
You think because regular posters posts on the same WEEK, that's
telling?
You... ...are an idiot.
On 7/6/2023 6:44 PM, badgolferman wrote:
<snip>
The article highlights its HARDWARE capabilities and consumer
friendly repairability. Why is everyone focusing on the operating
system?
I suspect because it's an Android device in an iPhone newsgroup.
On Thu, 06 Jul 2023 23:02:33 -0400, nospam wrote:
If it was posted to an Android newsgroup it would be discussed
normally. On its merits.
So, what would happen if I posted an Apple press release about an
iPhone in an Android group? Would everyone be willing to discuss
it on its merits?
Uh huh, sure they would.
they do not like when iphones are mentioned.
This is false since there are three or four examples just this week of
the iPhone being mentioned on the Android newsgroup (it happens
frequently).
You do not fully understand the concept of the OS:/e/OS, LineageOS are
available. A Fairphone is not restricted in the support like a
commercial Android-phone. And the 5 year warranty includes the OS.
a warranty can't include the os, something they didn't write and have
no control over what /e/ (or anyone else) decides to do or not do in
the future.
You do not fully understand the concept of the OS:/e/OS, LineageOS are available. A Fairphone is not restricted in the support like a
commercial Android-phone. And the 5 year warranty includes the OS.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
You do not fully understand the concept of the OS:/e/OS, LineageOS are
available. A Fairphone is not restricted in the support like a
commercial Android-phone. And the 5 year warranty includes the OS.
a warranty can't include the os, something they didn't write and have
no control over what /e/ (or anyone else) decides to do or not do in
the future.
None of you Apple crazies has any idea that Android is supported in
multiple levels, unlike iOS which is essentially supported as a block.
This is false since there are three or four examples just this week of
the iPhone being mentioned on the Android newsgroup (it happens
frequently).
When is the last time an *iPhone announcement* was posted to the Android newsgroup (and not as a troll), smart guy?
nospam wrote:
In article <xn0o413tl9eut6u006@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
The article highlights its HARDWARE capabilities and consumer
friendly repairability. Why is everyone focusing on the operating
system?
without an operating system and more importantly, without apps, it's a
non-functional slab of metal and glass. i suppose the flashlight would
still work, so there is that.
It has an operating system and apps, but that's the least interesting
part of the whole deal.
On 7 Jul 2023 at 3:42:46 PM, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
This is false since there are three or four examples just this week of
the iPhone being mentioned on the Android newsgroup (it happens
frequently).
When is the last time an *iPhone announcement* was posted to the Android
newsgroup (and not as a troll), smart guy?
Your best friend Alan Baker posts them all the time to Android, smart guy.
It has an operating system and apps, but that's the least interesting
part of the whole deal.
Its operating system can run apps from the Google Play store, so not
sure what "he who must not be named" is talking about. There have been
other phone makers that have created Android variants for specific
reasons, just like Fairphone did.
Its operating system can run apps from the Google Play store,
Its operating system can run apps from the Google Play store,
not all of them, and of the ones that do, most of them will negate the 'de-googled' benefit /e/ touts.
not only do you not understand ios, but your knowledge of android is
also lacking. no surprise there.
On 2023-07-06 21:31, Peter Moylin wrote:
On 06/07/23 21:32, Alan wrote:
I don't know who Bob Campbell is...
Look it up in the archives.
Bob Campbell = nospam = Jolly Roger = Wade Garrett
All his nyms started posting to this newsgroup on the exact same
week!
(Two of them posted first to this newsgroup on the same day!)
You think because regular posters posts on the same WEEK, that's
telling?
You... ...are an idiot.
Yeah, I got a laugh out of that one..
Peter Moylin <peter@moylin.invalid> wrote:
On 07/07/23 01:42, badgolferman wrote:
Because I'm hopeful enough to think people will get past their petty
little fiefdom skirmishes.
Why is this newsgroup different from all the other newsgroups?
You are not allowed to ask a question which the dictators (Jolly Roger,
nospam, Bob Campbell) feel has any chance of dishonoring their God.
Questions are fine. Press releases about Android phones are not very interesting.
Questions about God would also be off-topic here.
On 7 Jul 2023 at 3:42:46 PM, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
This is false since there are three or four examples just this week
of the iPhone being mentioned on the Android newsgroup (it happens
frequently).
When is the last time an *iPhone announcement* was posted to the
Android newsgroup (and not as a troll), smart guy?
Your best friend Alan Baker posts them all the time to Android, smart
guy.
On 07/07/23 08:33, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-07-06 21:31, Peter Moylin wrote:
On 06/07/23 21:32, Alan wrote:
I don't know who Bob Campbell is...
Look it up in the archives.
Bob Campbell = nospam = Jolly Roger = Wade Garrett
All his nyms started posting to this newsgroup on the exact same
week!
(Two of them posted first to this newsgroup on the same day!)
You think because regular posters posts on the same WEEK, that's
telling?
You... ...are an idiot.
Yeah, I got a laugh out of that one..
All of you are so stupid that I have to cry, not laugh. Bob Campbell
= nospam = Jolly Roger = Wade Garrett (but not Alan)
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