• Re: iPhone 6 battery bulge

    From nospam@21:1/5 to bp@www.zefox.net on Sat Jul 8 19:32:31 2023
    In article <u8cqrn$1sg3c$1@dont-email.me>, bob prohaska
    <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:

    What's the prognosis for an iPhone 6 with the screen
    bulging up out of the case? It still seems to work just
    fine, but I gather battery bulges are not unknown.

    that can happen to any lithium ion battery.

    stop using it and definitely don't charge it anymore.

    the battery needs to be replaced *asap*, as it's a danger.

    The phone is still in quite nice shape, Apple seems to
    want $69 to fix it. Is there anything besides the battery
    that's likely to be EOL?

    not unless the bulging caused other damage.

    keep in mind that the phone itself is no longer supported, with ios 13
    being the latest version it can run (released in 2019).

    spending money on a phone that old could be better used for a newer
    phone.

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  • From bob prohaska@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 8 23:18:16 2023
    What's the prognosis for an iPhone 6 with the screen
    bulging up out of the case? It still seems to work just
    fine, but I gather battery bulges are not unknown.

    The phone is still in quite nice shape, Apple seems to
    want $69 to fix it. Is there anything besides the battery
    that's likely to be EOL?

    Thanks for reading and any insights,

    bob prohaska

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  • From bob prohaska@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Jul 9 00:49:36 2023
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <u8cqrn$1sg3c$1@dont-email.me>, bob prohaska
    <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:

    What's the prognosis for an iPhone 6 with the screen
    bulging up out of the case? It still seems to work just
    fine, but I gather battery bulges are not unknown.

    that can happen to any lithium ion battery.

    stop using it and definitely don't charge it anymore.

    the battery needs to be replaced *asap*, as it's a danger.

    The phone is still in quite nice shape, Apple seems to
    want $69 to fix it. Is there anything besides the battery
    that's likely to be EOL?

    not unless the bulging caused other damage.


    None obvious, at least.

    keep in mind that the phone itself is no longer supported, with ios 13
    being the latest version it can run (released in 2019).

    Just looked now, it reports 12.5.7, model MQ3X2LL/A. Have I missed an
    upgrade?

    spending money on a phone that old could be better used for a newer
    phone.

    If I used more of the iPhone's capability that'd be a consideration.
    One alternative for me is probably to revive an older phone if it's
    possible. There are two candidates, I'm charging them now.

    Thanks for letting me see the lay of the land!

    bob prohaska

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to bp@www.zefox.net on Sat Jul 8 20:56:46 2023
    In article <u8d06v$1t2av$1@dont-email.me>, bob prohaska
    <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:


    keep in mind that the phone itself is no longer supported, with ios 13 being the latest version it can run (released in 2019).

    Just looked now, it reports 12.5.7, model MQ3X2LL/A. Have I missed an upgrade?

    actually, ios 12 is the last, so you're at the end.

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  • From bob prohaska@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Jul 9 02:39:58 2023
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <u8d06v$1t2av$1@dont-email.me>, bob prohaska
    <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:


    keep in mind that the phone itself is no longer supported, with ios 13
    being the latest version it can run (released in 2019).

    Just looked now, it reports 12.5.7, model MQ3X2LL/A. Have I missed an
    upgrade?

    actually, ios 12 is the last, so you're at the end.

    Thanks for the clarification!

    bob prohaska

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 9 08:11:15 2023
    Am 09.07.23 um 01:18 schrieb bob prohaska:
    What's the prognosis for an iPhone 6 with the screen
    bulging up out of the case? It still seems to work just
    fine, but I gather battery bulges are not unknown.

    The phone is still in quite nice shape, Apple seems to
    want $69 to fix it. Is there anything besides the battery
    that's likely to be EOL?

    The iOS.


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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to bob prohaska on Sun Jul 9 12:50:04 2023
    bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote

    keep in mind that the phone itself is no longer supported, with ios 13
    being the latest version it can run (released in 2019).

    Just looked now, it reports 12.5.7, model MQ3X2LL/A. Have I missed an upgrade?

    Given you own an iPhone, and given iPhone owners pee in their pants
    whenever they feel threatened, I'm surprised you're on iOS 13.

    Not only are all iPhones exploited ten times more than Android phones,
    but Apple only fully patches a single release - which is only iOS 16.

    Why aren't you scared to death of holding that iPhone in your hands?

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to bob prohaska on Sun Jul 9 13:45:26 2023
    On 2023-07-08 19:18, bob prohaska wrote:
    What's the prognosis for an iPhone 6 with the screen
    bulging up out of the case? It still seems to work just
    fine, but I gather battery bulges are not unknown.

    The battery is bad and potentially dangerous.

    Turn off the phone and bring it to any local "iPhone fixer" - doesn't
    have to be Apple or Apple certified.

    They can likely get your iPhone 6 back in service - but do not delay.


    The phone is still in quite nice shape, Apple seems to
    want $69 to fix it. Is there anything besides the battery
    that's likely to be EOL?

    As long as the swelling didn't break anything, you should be okay.

    $69 is pretty good, but you can likely find an independent to do it for
    less.

    I had the iPhone 6+ and it took a lot of beating before I got the 11 Pro.

    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Jul 9 19:53:19 2023
    On 2023-07-09, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-07-08 19:18, bob prohaska wrote:

    What's the prognosis for an iPhone 6 with the screen bulging up out
    of the case? It still seems to work just fine, but I gather battery
    bulges are not unknown.

    The battery is bad and potentially dangerous.

    Turn off the phone and bring it to any local "iPhone fixer" - doesn't
    have to be Apple or Apple certified.

    Just keep in mind if it's not Apple-authorized, you won't get a genuine
    Apple battery, and the battery might not perform as well as the real
    thing. Also, the local "iPhone fixer" often won't honor their own repair warranty (if they even have one), so if they screw up and damage some
    other internal component, expect to be forced to haggle with them about
    it. People who try to save a buck by cheaping out on repairs to their
    expensive devices often find themselves disappointed as a result. Good
    luck!

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    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Sun Jul 9 22:12:22 2023
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 09.07.23 um 01:18 schrieb bob prohaska:
    What's the prognosis for an iPhone 6 with the screen
    bulging up out of the case? It still seems to work just
    fine, but I gather battery bulges are not unknown.

    The phone is still in quite nice shape, Apple seems to
    want $69 to fix it. Is there anything besides the battery
    that's likely to be EOL?

    The iOS.

    And some online apps don't work in old iOS v12. :( I see some wanting
    v14 these days.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to bob prohaska on Sun Jul 9 15:48:44 2023
    On 7/8/2023 4:18 PM, bob prohaska wrote:
    What's the prognosis for an iPhone 6 with the screen
    bulging up out of the case? It still seems to work just
    fine, but I gather battery bulges are not unknown.

    The phone is still in quite nice shape, Apple seems to
    want $69 to fix it. Is there anything besides the battery
    that's likely to be EOL?

    $69 isn't bad. The nine year old iPhone 6 has the same LCD screen as the current iPhone SE3, a 1334 x 750 LCD. Hard to believe that the iPhone 6
    came out in 2014 and the iPhone 6s, 7, 8, SE2020, and SE3 all use the
    same LCD screen.

    Personally I would not spend $69 on repairing a nine year old iPhone 6.
    It's not getting operating system or security updates any more and the
    camera is not as good. By now the Lightning port may be close to failing.

    You can currently get a new iPhone SE3 for under $200, unlocked after 60
    days. Better cameras, 5G, eSIM capable, fast charging, and wireless
    charging, but no headphone jack like the 6.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Sun Jul 9 19:00:37 2023
    In article <u8fdgf$290pl$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    What's the prognosis for an iPhone 6 with the screen
    bulging up out of the case? It still seems to work just
    fine, but I gather battery bulges are not unknown.

    The phone is still in quite nice shape, Apple seems to
    want $69 to fix it. Is there anything besides the battery
    that's likely to be EOL?

    $69 isn't bad. The nine year old iPhone 6 has the same LCD screen as the current iPhone SE3, a 1334 x 750 LCD.

    most people don't care about that and you don't understand resolution
    either. the lcd is a wide gamut display and *very* good. few people
    would notice a difference unless it was a side by side comparison and
    even then, only in specific circumstances. there is also oled flicker,
    which some people cannot tolerate.

    Hard to believe that the iPhone 6
    came out in 2014 and the iPhone 6s, 7, 8, SE2020, and SE3 all use the
    same LCD screen.

    it's not hard to believe, since that's the whole point of the series.

    Personally I would not spend $69 on repairing a nine year old iPhone 6.
    It's not getting operating system or security updates any more

    false. 12.5.7 was released this past january.

    and the
    camera is not as good.

    it's not as good as an iphone 14, but it's perfectly fine for most
    situations.

    By now the Lightning port may be close to failing.

    nonsense. lightning ports are very reliable.

    stop lying.

    You can currently get a new iPhone SE3 for under $200, unlocked after 60 days. Better cameras, 5G, eSIM capable, fast charging, and wireless
    charging, but no headphone jack like the 6.

    $200 is more than $69. math is hard.

    he also said he doesn't care about any of that.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sun Jul 9 20:01:04 2023
    On 2023-07-09 15:53, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-07-09, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-07-08 19:18, bob prohaska wrote:

    What's the prognosis for an iPhone 6 with the screen bulging up out
    of the case? It still seems to work just fine, but I gather battery
    bulges are not unknown.

    The battery is bad and potentially dangerous.

    Turn off the phone and bring it to any local "iPhone fixer" - doesn't
    have to be Apple or Apple certified.

    Just keep in mind if it's not Apple-authorized, you won't get a genuine
    Apple battery, and the battery might not perform as well as the real
    thing. Also, the local "iPhone fixer" often won't honor their own repair warranty (if they even have one), so if they screw up and damage some
    other internal component, expect to be forced to haggle with them about
    it. People who try to save a buck by cheaping out on repairs to their expensive devices often find themselves disappointed as a result. Good
    luck!

    I've had no trouble with the "local guy" and he is very successful.
    Cleverly located close to a Costco, you can drop off your iPhone, iPad,
    etc. and have it repaired by the time you leave the Costco (glass and
    batteries anyway - other things may take longer).

    The techs are all in an open area and you can watch them work - very
    diligent. He's been in business non stop since about 2012 and thriving.
    Don't get that for shoddy work or parts.

    The batteries (and other parts) these sort source are not crud.

    The OP's phone is a 6. That's 2014/15 I wouldn't worry about what I
    did to it. Though, as long as the service is quick, the price cited
    earlier for Apple at $69 was not cheap, but certainly not excessive.

    And of course, as always, I would personally order the kit from iFixIt
    and do it myself - which I forgot to mention to the OP. This isn't for everyone, but it's far easier than people believe.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Peter on Sun Jul 9 20:26:03 2023
    On 2023-07-09 20:18, Peter wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    The OP's phone is a 6. That's 2014/15 I wouldn't worry about what I
    did to it. Though, as long as the service is quick, the price cited
    earlier for Apple at $69 was not cheap, but certainly not excessive.

    Apple's strategy has always been to lower the life of the iPhone by putting in the cheapest crappiest least powerful battery they can get away with.

    Apple obsess of source quality, so BS to that.

    I never had issues with my iPhone 6+ nor with my current 11 Pro. Indeed
    after near 4 years, the batt capacity is a nice 90%.

    My SO's 7 is also about that (I posted the value recently).

    The iPhone 6, being a phone nobody wants, isn't even worth the battery.

    If it serves a purpose for someone for another few years, that is that
    much less e-waste.

    Rest of your empty-calories blather omitted.

    --
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  • From Peter@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Mon Jul 10 01:18:11 2023
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    The OP's phone is a 6. That's 2014/15 I wouldn't worry about what I
    did to it. Though, as long as the service is quick, the price cited
    earlier for Apple at $69 was not cheap, but certainly not excessive.

    Apple's strategy has always been to lower the life of the iPhone by putting
    in the cheapest crappiest least powerful battery they can get away with.

    The iPhone 6, being a phone nobody wants, isn't even worth the battery.

    Apple's strategy has always been to make it as hard as possible to replace
    the battery & screen in the iPhone, just as Apple's strategy has always
    been to slowly decontent the iPhone to restrict your available choices. https://www.ifixit.com/News/32343/apple-is-locking-batteries-to-iphones-now

    The best bet is for the user to spend about twenty bucks to do it himself. https://www.inc.com/jason-aten/heres-real-reason-apple-doesnt-want-you-to-replace-battery-in-your-iphone-on-your-own.html

    Bear in mind, a fundamental strategy of Apple is to have the battery kill
    the phone sooner than anything else can kill the phone - for profit alone.

    "iPhone batteries are rated to hold 80% of their capacity for up to 500
    charge cycles, which lasts roughly 18-24 months for most users. After that, your iPhone may need to be charged far more frequently, and iOS may warn
    you that performance is affected (in other words, your phone will run
    slower)."

    As was well publicized because it cost Apple about a billion dollars in lawsuits, Apple went a little too far years ago in lowering battery life.

    Nowadays Apple is smarter in that they put the smallest capacity battery
    and they force the most nightly recharges so that the battery dies sooner.

    People who bend over and accept that crap deserve everything they get.
    Thank God Android doesn't pull most of that crap that Apple pulls on folks.

    This is the latest up-to-date iFixit iPhone battery replacement I found. https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+14+Pro+Max+Battery+Replacement/153006

    Unfortunately they make it hard to find out the total cost of the tools required and the battery itself so I needed to look elsewhere for that. https://9to5mac.com/2022/09/12/iphone-14-battery-repair-cost/

    But the battery replacement at Apple is $100 plus sales tax and shipping. https://swappa.com/blog/iphone-battery-replacement-cost/

    Luckily, for Android, you will never spend $100 to replace a battery.

    A replacement 4-1/2AmpHour Galaxy S10+ battery, with tools, is only $20. https://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-MAXBEAR-Li-Polymer-Replacement-EB-BG975ABU/dp/B083J76Y98

    The poor Apple owners will spend upwards of five times what anyone else
    spends, and they love bending over for Apple - they gloat over profits.

    Anyone who buys an iPhone deserves that tree trunk Apple rams up your butt.

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to Peter on Mon Jul 10 00:31:33 2023
    Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

    Apple's strategy has always been to lower the life of the iPhone by putting in the cheapest crappiest least powerful battery they can get away with.

    Arlen’s strategy has always been to make up absurd lies about iPhones. He then repeats them over and over using different names.

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  • From bob prohaska@21:1/5 to nospam on Mon Jul 10 04:11:45 2023
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    he also said he doesn't care about any of that.

    The phone is carried for urgent occasions, using a $100/yr voice/text
    prepaid plan from AT&T. If I can renew that account I will do so.
    Unless, of course, somebody suggests a better service provider.

    For now the first choice is to revive one of the old 3G flip/slide
    phones that the iPhone replaced. Neither is listed on AT&T's table
    of supported devices, but I'll ask anyway since they were originally
    sold by AT&T

    If the 3G phones are unusable then the choice is between fixing the
    iPhone and buying something else. Amazon offers several options for
    iPhone6 batteries, including the tools for the fasteners, at around
    $20. It doesn't look trivial but might be instructive, at worst.

    Thanks for writing!

    bob prohaska

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to bob prohaska on Mon Jul 10 04:10:20 2023
    On 7/9/2023 9:11 PM, bob prohaska wrote:

    <snip>

    If the 3G phones are unusable then the choice is between fixing the
    iPhone and buying something else. Amazon offers several options for
    iPhone6 batteries, including the tools for the fasteners, at around
    $20. It doesn't look trivial but might be instructive, at worst.

    It also depends on how committed you are to staying with iOS for a phone
    used only on an urgent basis.

    You can buy a new Android device (Motorola or Samsung) with a year of
    minimal service (1500 minutes, 1500 SMS, and 1.5GB of data), on
    Verizon's network, for a lot less than the $69 cost of battery replacement.

    The iPhone SE 2022 was recently on sale for $149.99 plus $30 (for one
    month of service then it would be unlocked 30 days later) but they sold
    out quickly.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to bp@www.zefox.net on Mon Jul 10 11:36:07 2023
    In article <u8g0e1$2ejua$1@dont-email.me>, bob prohaska
    <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:

    he also said he doesn't care about any of that.

    The phone is carried for urgent occasions, using a $100/yr voice/text
    prepaid plan from AT&T. If I can renew that account I will do so.
    Unless, of course, somebody suggests a better service provider.

    like i said, the features on a more recent phone don't matter to you,
    so that other suggestion would mostly be a waste of money.

    For now the first choice is to revive one of the old 3G flip/slide
    phones that the iPhone replaced. Neither is listed on AT&T's table
    of supported devices, but I'll ask anyway since they were originally
    sold by AT&T

    at&t shuttered their 3g network last year, so none of those will work.

    you need a 4g/lte phone (or 5g).

    If the 3G phones are unusable then the choice is between fixing the
    iPhone and buying something else. Amazon offers several options for
    iPhone6 batteries, including the tools for the fasteners, at around
    $20. It doesn't look trivial but might be instructive, at worst.

    ifixit has a step by step guide.

    keep in mind that $20 to do it yourself and risking breaking something
    in the process versus $70 for having it properly done with a warranty
    might not be the bargain you think it is.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Mon Jul 10 11:36:09 2023
    In article <u8gouv$2gsl6$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    The iPhone SE 2022 was recently on sale for $149.99 plus $30 (for one
    month of service then it would be unlocked 30 days later) but they sold
    out quickly.

    in other words, it's no longer $180 (149+30) anymore, so why even bring
    it up?

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Mon Jul 10 13:23:51 2023
    Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote

    always been to make up absurd lies about iPhones

    You call every true statement about the iPhone, a lie.
    What's telling is you know absolutely nothing about iPhones.

    So you consider all true statements about the iPhone, to be lies.

    For example, it's widely reported such that the entire world knows Apple doesn't fully patch any release but a single release (which is iOS 16).

    https://support.apple.com/guide/depoyment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/ https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/
    https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/

    Yet, you call Apple's own public statements - a lie.

    Like Alan Browne, you iNuts know absolutely nothing about the iPhone.
    You iNuts call all documented facts a lie - simply because you hate Apple.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to sms on Mon Jul 10 10:17:08 2023
    On 7/10/2023 4:10 AM, sms wrote:

    <snip>

    The iPhone SE 2022 was recently on sale for $149.99 plus $30 (for one
    month of service then it would be unlocked 30 days later) but they sold
    out quickly.

    Actually they are still available. <https://www.walmart.com/ip/616074177>.

    You _must_ activate it on one of Verizon's Tracfone brands (Page Plus,
    Straight Talk, Total, etc.) and wait 60 days after activation for it to
    be unlocked. This would cost $10 on Verizon's Page Plus Tracfone brand <https://www.pagepluscellular.com/plans/10-standard-pin/>. If you
    activated on Straight Talk it would cost $30 <https://www.straighttalk.com/all-plans/unlimited-texts-1500-minutes-basic-plan-no-contract>.

    But $69 for a new battery is still a lot less than $159 plus tax for an
    iPhone SE 2022 and activation, though more than what an Android device,
    with a year of service, would cost.

    OTOH, the iPhone SE2022 is really not a great device for the money, even
    at $159.


    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Mon Jul 10 13:17:08 2023
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

    Apple's strategy has always been to lower the life of the iPhone by putting >> in the cheapest crappiest least powerful battery they can get away with.

    Apple obsess of source quality, so BS to that.

    Every statement from you reeks of your lack of knowledge about the iPhone.

    First off, that's false as it has been widely reported that Apple cheaped
    out years ago by using poor quality batteries and components. Look it up. <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/21/apple-to-offset-cost-of-5g-iphone-components-with-cheaper-battery-tech>

    Also, it's false even if Apple did not put the cheapest components into the iPhone since you're the only one on earth who can't ready battery specs. <https://www.maticstoday.com/2020/08/21/why-apple-is-using-cheap-battery-parts-in-iphone-12/>

    The biggest battery in the most expensive iPhones, is still downright puny. That you don't know this obvious spec means you know nothing about iPhones. <https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/21/21394985/apple-iphone-12-battery-cost-5g-kuo>

    I never had issues with my iPhone 6+ nor with my current 11 Pro. Indeed after near 4 years, the batt capacity is a nice 90%.

    My SO's 7 is also about that (I posted the value recently).

    The problem with the iPhone 6+ is, for a person like you are who cries
    nightly about how insecure Android is, is that it's extremely insecure. https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases

    That you don't know Apple doesn't update the iPhone 6+ with all the
    hotfixes Apple is aware of, again shows you know nothing about iPhones. https://support.apple.com/guide/depoyment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/

    The iPhone 6, being a phone nobody wants, isn't even worth the battery.

    If it serves a purpose for someone for another few years, that is that
    much less e-waste.

    Rest of your empty-calories blather omitted.

    And yet I supplied references and you can't because you know nothing about iPhones. You complain about Android malware but you use the iPhone which is most exploited (over ten times more exploited) than Android is. https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

    You tell everyone how little you understand about that iPhone you love.

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  • From Peter@21:1/5 to sms on Mon Jul 10 18:28:03 2023
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    Personally I would not spend $69 on repairing a nine year old iPhone 6.
    It's not getting operating system or security updates any more and the
    camera is not as good. By now the Lightning port may be close to failing.

    Why spend $69 to end up with a phone which is extremely insecure?

    The oldest phone which is still getting full patches is the iPhone 8. https://support.apple.com/guide/depoyment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/

    And even those newer iPhones are exploited ten times more in the wild. https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Peter on Mon Jul 10 10:34:22 2023
    On 2023-07-10 10:28, Peter wrote:
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    Personally I would not spend $69 on repairing a nine year old iPhone 6.
    It's not getting operating system or security updates any more and the
    camera is not as good. By now the Lightning port may be close to failing.

    Why spend $69 to end up with a phone which is extremely insecure?

    The oldest phone which is still getting full patches is the iPhone 8. https://support.apple.com/guide/depoyment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/

    And even those newer iPhones are exploited ten times more in the wild. https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

    Why can't you stick to one posting nym...

    ...Arlen?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Wally J on Mon Jul 10 10:33:51 2023
    On 2023-07-10 10:17, Wally J wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

    Apple's strategy has always been to lower the life of the iPhone by putting >>> in the cheapest crappiest least powerful battery they can get away with.

    Apple obsess of source quality, so BS to that.

    Every statement from you reeks of your lack of knowledge about the iPhone.

    First off, that's false as it has been widely reported that Apple cheaped
    out years ago by using poor quality batteries and components. Look it up. <https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/21/apple-to-offset-cost-of-5g-iphone-components-with-cheaper-battery-tech>

    Also, it's false even if Apple did not put the cheapest components into the iPhone since you're the only one on earth who can't ready battery specs. <https://www.maticstoday.com/2020/08/21/why-apple-is-using-cheap-battery-parts-in-iphone-12/>

    Why do you post a prediction...

    ...rather than a report of what actually happened...

    ...Arlen?


    The biggest battery in the most expensive iPhones, is still downright puny. That you don't know this obvious spec means you know nothing about iPhones. <https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/21/21394985/apple-iphone-12-battery-cost-5g-kuo>

    Is it the size of the battery that matters...

    ...or is it the run time that a phone actually has...

    ...Arlen?

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Peter on Mon Jul 10 17:53:30 2023
    Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    Personally I would not spend $69 on repairing a nine year old iPhone 6.
    It's not getting operating system or security updates any more and the
    camera is not as good. By now the Lightning port may be close to failing.

    Why spend $69 to end up with a phone which is extremely insecure?

    The oldest phone which is still getting full patches is the iPhone 8. https://support.apple.com/guide/depoyment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/

    And even those newer iPhones are exploited ten times more in the wild. https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

    Not when they're fully patched.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Mon Jul 10 13:25:45 2023
    In article <u8heen$2j60l$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    OTOH, the iPhone SE2022 is really not a great device for the money, even
    at $159.

    actually, it is a *very* good deal.

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  • From Woozy Song@21:1/5 to Ant on Tue Jul 11 02:45:54 2023
    Ant wrote:

    And some online apps don't work in old iOS v12. :( I see some wanting
    v14 these days.

    Are you aware that not only are Apple products (mac & iOS) exploited in the wild from ten to a hundred times more than Android - but worse - only one release (and one release only!) is fully patched by Apple (for iOS or Mac).

    https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/ https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

    What this means is that any release except the latest (which is iOS 16) is
    so full of known-to-be _exploited_ holes, that it's extremely insecure.

    That's fine that the iPhone is the least secure device in smartphone
    history - but aren't all you iCrazies deathly afraid of all those bugs?

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  • From Woozy Song@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Jul 11 02:52:59 2023
    nospam wrote:

    Personally I would not spend $69 on repairing a nine year old iPhone 6.
    It's not getting operating system or security updates any more

    false. 12.5.7 was released this past january.

    That release is filled to the brim with known exploited zero-day holes!

    It's not surprising that you uneducated iCrazies are ignorant of the fact
    that iOS 16 is the only fully supported bugfix release for iPhones. https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/

    You iCrazies never read the news so you're ignorant that the iPhone is very well published to be exploited ten times more in the wild than Android is. https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

    Given those two well-published indisputable facts about the iPhone being insecure, there's no doubt that iOS 12 system is exploited at this moment.

    It goes to show how little you ignorant iCrazies know about the iPhone.

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  • From Gunther F@21:1/5 to bob prohaska on Mon Jul 10 12:57:33 2023
    bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> said:

    If the 3G phones are unusable then the choice is between fixing the
    iPhone and buying something else.

    The question to ask yourself is are you worried that the iPhone you plan on spending good money on fixing is well known to be exploited in the wild?

    You can't fix iOS12 because Apple only fully supports only one iOS release.

    So the best you can do is waste your money on the most insecure smartphone.

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  • From Peter@21:1/5 to Chris on Mon Jul 10 20:04:29 2023
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    Why spend $69 to end up with a phone which is extremely insecure?

    The oldest phone which is still getting full patches is the iPhone 8.
    https://support.apple.com/guide/depoyment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/

    And even those newer iPhones are exploited ten times more in the wild.
    https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

    Not when they're fully patched.

    It's impossible to "fully patch" any device other than an iOS 16 device.

    To your credit, you did read the Homeland Security link where you easily refuted Bob Campbell's claims that iOS is not ten times less secure.

    But just as obviously, it's clear that you didn't read the links I gave.

    Here are a few more that you need to read to understand how iOS is patched. https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/ https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/

    You seem to know more than the people like nospam & Bob Campbell because
    you read the links so you must read those three links before responding.

    There is only _1_ release that Apple fully patches (and only one release!).
    And it's not iOS 12.

    Which means those exploits? Well. What do you think. What do hackers do?

    The IOS exploits are well publicized so the hackers know every exploit.
    Also, those same hackers know full well that iOS 12 is NOT fully patched.

    What do you think those hackers are doing to every iOS 12 device right now?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Woozy Song on Mon Jul 10 15:11:56 2023
    On 2023-07-10 11:52, Woozy Song wrote:
    nospam wrote:

    Personally I would not spend $69 on repairing a nine year old iPhone 6.
    It's not getting operating system or security updates any more

    false. 12.5.7 was released this past january.

    That release is filled to the brim with known exploited zero-day holes!

    And yet you don't give a single example.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 10 23:59:22 2023
    Am 10.07.23 um 19:25 schrieb nospam:
    In article <u8heen$2j60l$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    OTOH, the iPhone SE2022 is really not a great device for the money, even
    at $159.

    actually, it is a *very* good deal.

    I agree. Probably the mobile phone with the best bang/buck-ratio on this planet.

    --
    Prudentia potentia est

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Peter on Mon Jul 10 22:07:47 2023
    Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    Why spend $69 to end up with a phone which is extremely insecure?

    The oldest phone which is still getting full patches is the iPhone 8.
    https://support.apple.com/guide/depoyment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/

    And even those newer iPhones are exploited ten times more in the wild.
    https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

    Not when they're fully patched.

    It's impossible to "fully patch" any device other than an iOS 16 device.

    Fortunately those "newer iphones" you mention are supported in ios 16 so
    are fully patched.

    To your credit, you did read the Homeland Security link where you easily refuted Bob Campbell's claims that iOS is not ten times less secure.

    But just as obviously, it's clear that you didn't read the links I gave.

    Correct. I stick to facts.

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  • From bob prohaska@21:1/5 to sms on Mon Jul 10 22:46:28 2023
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    You can buy a new Android device (Motorola or Samsung) with a year of
    minimal service (1500 minutes, 1500 SMS, and 1.5GB of data), on
    Verizon's network, for a lot less than the $69 cost of battery replacement.

    Can you please post a link?

    I looked at Verizon's website and didn't find anything cheaper than
    $35/month plus tax and "fees". Not sure why it's called "prepaid",
    since the charge is quoted per month.

    Thanks for writing,

    bob prohaska

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to bob prohaska on Mon Jul 10 16:25:23 2023
    On 7/10/2023 3:46 PM, bob prohaska wrote:

    <snip>

    Can you please post a link?

    ■ Go to <https://www.qvc.com/qvc.product.E309440.html>.
    ■ Add a small item to get over $60, i.e. <https://www.qvc.com/qvc.product.E309440.html>
    ■ Use the code NEWQVC30 when checking out for $30 off.

    There are a bunch of choices at QVC and HSN.

    Once unlocked after 60 days it can work on other networks, but not
    Verizon's Visible service.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From bob prohaska@21:1/5 to sms on Tue Jul 11 01:35:16 2023
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    On 7/10/2023 3:46 PM, bob prohaska wrote:

    <snip>

    Can you please post a link?

    ? Go to <https://www.qvc.com/qvc.product.E309440.html>.
    ? Add a small item to get over $60, i.e. <https://www.qvc.com/qvc.product.E309440.html>
    ? Use the code NEWQVC30 when checking out for $30 off.

    There are a bunch of choices at QVC and HSN.

    Once unlocked after 60 days it can work on other networks, but not
    Verizon's Visible service.

    Thanks.

    bob prohaska

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  • From Peter@21:1/5 to Chris on Tue Jul 11 03:32:12 2023
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    It's impossible to "fully patch" any device other than an iOS 16 device.

    Fortunately those "newer iphones" you mention are supported in ios 16 so
    are fully patched.

    Maybe we're talking about different iPhones.

    I'm talking about the iPhone 6 that is the main subject of this thread.
    That iPhone cannot be fully patched as it is said to go only to iOS 12.

    Any iPhone that can't be patched to iOS 16 is clearly completely exploited. What iPhone are you talking about that the OP is using to update to iOS 16?

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Peter on Tue Jul 11 06:43:10 2023
    Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    It's impossible to "fully patch" any device other than an iOS 16 device.

    Fortunately those "newer iphones" you mention are supported in ios 16 so
    are fully patched.

    Maybe we're talking about different iPhones.

    I'm talking about the iPhone 6 that is the main subject of this thread.

    It was but then you went on to mention iphone 8 and "newer iphones". That's what I replied to but you've sneakily snipped.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Jul 11 11:02:46 2023
    On 2023-07-10 11:36, nospam wrote:
    keep in mind that $20 to do it yourself and risking breaking something
    in the process versus $70 for having it properly done with a warranty
    might not be the bargain you think it is.

    Stop fomenting fear.
    People do this all of the time.

    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Wally J on Tue Jul 11 10:59:03 2023
    On 2023-07-10 13:17, Wally J wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

    Apple's strategy has always been to lower the life of the iPhone by putting >>> in the cheapest crappiest least powerful battery they can get away with.

    Apple obsess of source quality, so BS to that.

    Every statement from you reeks of your lack of knowledge about the iPhone.

    Every statement from you is cherry picked distortion and I do not waste
    time looking into them anymore.

    Bye Arlen.


    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Peter on Tue Jul 11 11:30:49 2023
    On 2023-07-11 11:24, Peter wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    keep in mind that $20 to do it yourself and risking breaking something
    in the process versus $70 for having it properly done with a warranty
    might not be the bargain you think it is.

    Stop fomenting fear.

    Depending on the phone, you'll also want to purchase about a thousand
    dollars worth of equipment from Apple to "register" it to the phone.

    Not at all. You're lying Arlen. Again.

    So easy even you could do it.

    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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  • From Peter@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Tue Jul 11 16:24:25 2023
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    keep in mind that $20 to do it yourself and risking breaking something
    in the process versus $70 for having it properly done with a warranty
    might not be the bargain you think it is.

    Stop fomenting fear.

    Depending on the phone, you'll also want to purchase about a thousand
    dollars worth of equipment from Apple to "register" it to the phone.

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  • From Peter@21:1/5 to Chris on Tue Jul 11 16:21:55 2023
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    It's impossible to "fully patch" any device other than an iOS 16 device. >>>
    Fortunately those "newer iphones" you mention are supported in ios 16 so >>> are fully patched.

    Maybe we're talking about different iPhones.

    I'm talking about the iPhone 6 that is the main subject of this thread.

    It was but then you went on to mention iphone 8 and "newer iphones".

    Oh. That's fine then. My mistake. I misunderstood you. I jumped to an unwarranted conclusion. Any phone from the iPhone 8 and up is still getting full patches, which we both easily agree on since that's what's happening.

    It's any phone below the iPhone 8 that Apple has said they have no
    intention of fully patching (but they could do so if they felt like it).

    That's what I replied to but you've sneakily snipped.

    If you remove "sneakily", you're correct. Snipping is normal. It's
    etiquette since anyone can go back and see exactly what was stated.

    Anyway, I apologize for misreading what you had written. Probably I had expected the weirdos to object to the proof that Apple only fully supports
    a single release - so I apologize for thinking you might be one of them.

    Some of those weirdos are Bob Campbell, Jolly Roger, Alan Browne, Joerg Lorenze, and nospam - none of who read the news about what Apple does.

    They think the iPhone is "more secure" when it's the most frequently
    exploited in the wild smartphone operating system in existence today.

    They never read the news.
    Apparently, you do read the news.

    Good for you as it's rare to find anyone on this newsgroup well informed.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to bitbucket@blackhole.com on Tue Jul 11 12:19:16 2023
    In article <qaerM.204733$N3_4.75475@fx10.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    keep in mind that $20 to do it yourself and risking breaking something
    in the process versus $70 for having it properly done with a warranty
    might not be the bargain you think it is.

    Stop fomenting fear.

    it's reality.

    People do this all of the time.

    some do. most don't. some are successful and some break things,
    especially if they've never done it before.

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  • From bob prohaska@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Jul 11 20:49:36 2023
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <qaerM.204733$N3_4.75475@fx10.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    keep in mind that $20 to do it yourself and risking breaking something
    in the process versus $70 for having it properly done with a warranty
    might not be the bargain you think it is.

    Stop fomenting fear.

    it's reality.

    People do this all of the time.

    some do. most don't. some are successful and some break things,
    especially if they've never done it before.

    Actually, I was more worried about dropping/losing the tiny screws.

    In the end I opted to have a local shop replace the battery.
    Took all of about ten minutes, and the technique looked quite
    different from the YouTube videos I've seen. Didn't disconnect
    the screen, no heat to release the adhesive. The tech grabbed
    the adhesive with tweezers and it pulled out like chewing gum.

    For $50 it seemed a reasonable deal and an instructive lesson.
    If there's a next time I might try it myself.

    Thanks for writing.

    bob prohaska

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Jul 11 17:08:18 2023
    On 2023-07-11 12:19, nospam wrote:
    In article <qaerM.204733$N3_4.75475@fx10.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    keep in mind that $20 to do it yourself and risking breaking something
    in the process versus $70 for having it properly done with a warranty
    might not be the bargain you think it is.

    Stop fomenting fear.

    it's reality.

    Very shallow reality.


    People do this all of the time.

    some do. most don't. some are successful and some break things,
    especially if they've never done it before.

    Most are successful. It's really quite easy for anyone with the
    patience to try. Those who goof it up just aren't paying attention.

    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to bob prohaska on Tue Jul 11 17:07:03 2023
    On 2023-07-11 16:49, bob prohaska wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <qaerM.204733$N3_4.75475@fx10.iad>, Alan Browne
    <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    keep in mind that $20 to do it yourself and risking breaking something >>>> in the process versus $70 for having it properly done with a warranty
    might not be the bargain you think it is.

    Stop fomenting fear.

    it's reality.

    People do this all of the time.

    some do. most don't. some are successful and some break things,
    especially if they've never done it before.

    Actually, I was more worried about dropping/losing the tiny screws.

    That's what magnetic dishes, mats or wristbands are for.

    In the end I opted to have a local shop replace the battery.
    Took all of about ten minutes, and the technique looked quite
    different from the YouTube videos I've seen. Didn't disconnect
    the screen, no heat to release the adhesive. The tech grabbed

    iPhone 6 - no need for heating at all to change the battery. There is a
    made for the purpose pair of tabs that you pull on to release the
    battery - this is the "chewing gum" you saw.

    the adhesive with tweezers and it pulled out like chewing gum.

    For $50 it seemed a reasonable deal and an instructive lesson.

    Good deal. Should get a few more years of use out of that phone and
    keep it out of the e-waste stream a little bit longer.

    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to bp@www.zefox.net on Tue Jul 11 18:04:34 2023
    In article <u8kf8v$30r3h$1@dont-email.me>, bob prohaska
    <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:


    Actually, I was more worried about dropping/losing the tiny screws.

    that's also a problem.

    In the end I opted to have a local shop replace the battery.
    Took all of about ten minutes, and the technique looked quite
    different from the YouTube videos I've seen. Didn't disconnect
    the screen, no heat to release the adhesive. The tech grabbed
    the adhesive with tweezers and it pulled out like chewing gum.

    yep. the ifixit guide is good, but it's not the only way.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Ant on Tue Jul 11 14:55:20 2023
    On 7/9/2023 3:12 PM, Ant wrote:
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 09.07.23 um 01:18 schrieb bob prohaska:
    What's the prognosis for an iPhone 6 with the screen
    bulging up out of the case? It still seems to work just
    fine, but I gather battery bulges are not unknown.

    The phone is still in quite nice shape, Apple seems to
    want $69 to fix it. Is there anything besides the battery
    that's likely to be EOL?

    The iOS.

    And some online apps don't work in old iOS v12. :( I see some wanting
    v14 these days.

    The other issue depends on the carrier being used. An iPhone 6 won't
    have bands 66 or 71. If you're on T-Mobile U.S. then band 71 is
    important <https://www.pcmag.com/news/heres-where-you-need-a-band-71-phone-to-boost-t-mobile-coverage>.
    The XS, XS Max, and XR added band 71 support.
    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Tue Jul 11 18:04:38 2023
    In article <u8kj48$315i7$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    The other issue depends on the carrier being used. An iPhone 6 won't
    have bands 66 or 71. If you're on T-Mobile U.S. then band 71 is
    important

    it will work fine on t-mobile, even without those bands.

    your shilling is obvious.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Wed Jul 12 14:52:42 2023
    On 2023-07-12 14:49, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-07-11 18:04, nospam wrote:
    In article <u8kf8v$30r3h$1@dont-email.me>, bob prohaska
    <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:


    Actually, I was more worried about dropping/losing the tiny screws.

    that's also a problem.

    In the end I opted to have a local shop replace the battery.
    Took all of about ten minutes, and the technique looked quite
    different from the YouTube videos I've seen. Didn't disconnect
    the screen, no heat to release the adhesive. The tech grabbed
    the adhesive with tweezers and it pulled out like chewing gum.

    yep. the ifixit guide is good, but it's not the only way.

    The iFixIt procedure does it require heating for the iPhone 6.

    ---------------------- doesn't --------------------------------
    (What happened there?).

    Disconnecting the display is less risky for "amateurs".  In a shop it's probably an experience based shortcut.


    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Jul 12 14:49:41 2023
    On 2023-07-11 18:04, nospam wrote:
    In article <u8kf8v$30r3h$1@dont-email.me>, bob prohaska
    <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:


    Actually, I was more worried about dropping/losing the tiny screws.

    that's also a problem.

    In the end I opted to have a local shop replace the battery.
    Took all of about ten minutes, and the technique looked quite
    different from the YouTube videos I've seen. Didn't disconnect
    the screen, no heat to release the adhesive. The tech grabbed
    the adhesive with tweezers and it pulled out like chewing gum.

    yep. the ifixit guide is good, but it's not the only way.

    The iFixIt procedure does it require heating for the iPhone 6.
    Disconnecting the display is less risky for "amateurs". In a shop it's probably an experience based shortcut.

    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to bob prohaska on Wed Jul 12 16:20:10 2023
    On 7/8/2023 5:49 PM, bob prohaska wrote:

    <snip>

    If I used more of the iPhone's capability that'd be a consideration.
    One alternative for me is probably to revive an older phone if it's
    possible. There are two candidates, I'm charging them now.

    Thanks for letting me see the lay of the land!

    The issue with renewing older iPhones with a fresh battery is that they
    lack many of the features of the newer models, some important, some just
    nice to have.

    Some issues are:
    1. The end of security upgrades, no more are expected for the iPhone 6/6
    Plus
    2. No more operating system upgrades
    ■ iPhone 6/6 Plus stopped at iOS 12.
    ■ iPhone 6s/6s Plus and iPhone 7/7 Plus cannot be upgraded to iOS 16.
    ■ iPhone 8/8 Plus, and iPhone X will not receive the iOS 17 update.
    3. The lack of useful features like wireless charging
    4. Lower resolution, lower refresh rate, LCD screens instead of OLED screens
    5. The lack of critically important LTE bands on some carriers,
    especially the lack of LTE band 66 for T-Mobile.
    6. 2x2 MIMO antennas instead of 4x4 MIMO antennas

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Wed Jul 12 22:02:32 2023
    In article <u8ncfa$3ddtp$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    The issue with renewing older iPhones with a fresh battery is that they
    lack many of the features of the newer models, some important, some just
    nice to have.

    equally surprising is that old android phones also lack many of the
    features of the newer models.

    crazy, but true.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 13 07:56:37 2023
    Am 13.07.23 um 01:20 schrieb sms:
    On 7/8/2023 5:49 PM, bob prohaska wrote:

    <snip>

    If I used more of the iPhone's capability that'd be a consideration.
    One alternative for me is probably to revive an older phone if it's
    possible. There are two candidates, I'm charging them now.

    Thanks for letting me see the lay of the land!

    The issue with renewing older iPhones with a fresh battery is that they
    lack many of the features of the newer models, some important, some just
    nice to have.

    You are a demagogic asshole.

    --
    Prudentia potentia est

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