• Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features

    From badgolferman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 19 13:56:57 2023
    Apple's iOS 17 software update is now out and available to the general
    public for download. The latest iPhone OS has several new features,
    including full-screen contact posters during phone calls, an improved
    and more personalized autocorrect, swipe to reply in text messages,
    interactive widgets, and so much more.

    While most of these features are welcome, if you're like me, you may
    not LOVE every single new offering from iOS 17. Sometimes I don't want
    change, especially when it's drastic, because I get used to the way of
    doing certain things.


    https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/you-can-fix-the-most-annoying-ios-17-features-on-your-iphone-heres-how/

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=b6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 19 16:57:45 2023
    Am 19.09.23 um 15:56 schrieb badgolferman:
    Apple's iOS 17 software update is now out and available to the general
    public for download. The latest iPhone OS has several new features,
    including full-screen contact posters during phone calls, an improved
    and more personalized autocorrect, swipe to reply in text messages, interactive widgets, and so much more.

    While most of these features are welcome, if you're like me, you may
    not LOVE every single new offering from iOS 17. Sometimes I don't want change, especially when it's drastic, because I get used to the way of
    doing certain things.


    https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/you-can-fix-the-most-annoying-ios-17-features-on-your-iphone-heres-how/

    What is the purpose of this posting? Just to tell us that you are
    inflexible?

    Nobody said you have to upgrade.

    --
    Alea iacta est

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com on Tue Sep 19 11:14:14 2023
    In article <uecda2$2d9ot$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    While most of these features are welcome, if you're like me, you may
    not LOVE every single new offering from iOS 17. Sometimes I don't want
    change, especially when it's drastic, because I get used to the way of
    doing certain things.

    upgrading to ios 17 is *optional*. if you don't like the new features,
    then don't upgrade to it.


    How is it optional? Wonąt everyone have to upgrade to it eventually to maintain software support?

    nope. there is no requirement to upgrade nor is it forced. when it
    asks to confirm the upgrade, decline it. you can remain at whatever
    version you want. ios developers have multiple devices with various
    older versions for testing (which is annoying but that's how it is).

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Sep 19 15:04:34 2023
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <xn0o70qvv72ixh4008@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:


    While most of these features are welcome, if you're like me, you may
    not LOVE every single new offering from iOS 17. Sometimes I don't want
    change, especially when it's drastic, because I get used to the way of
    doing certain things.

    upgrading to ios 17 is *optional*. if you don't like the new features,
    then don't upgrade to it.


    How is it optional? Won’t everyone have to upgrade to it eventually to maintain software support?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Sep 19 10:28:58 2023
    In article <xn0o70qvv72ixh4008@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:


    While most of these features are welcome, if you're like me, you may
    not LOVE every single new offering from iOS 17. Sometimes I don't want change, especially when it's drastic, because I get used to the way of
    doing certain things.

    upgrading to ios 17 is *optional*. if you don't like the new features,
    then don't upgrade to it.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Sep 19 08:58:54 2023
    On 2023-09-19 08:04, badgolferman wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <xn0o70qvv72ixh4008@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:


    While most of these features are welcome, if you're like me, you may
    not LOVE every single new offering from iOS 17. Sometimes I don't want
    change, especially when it's drastic, because I get used to the way of
    doing certain things.

    upgrading to ios 17 is *optional*. if you don't like the new features,
    then don't upgrade to it.


    How is it optional? Won’t everyone have to upgrade to it eventually to maintain software support?

    Based on Apple's policies, in about 6 years everyone will have had to
    upgrade to iOS 17.

    SIX YEARS

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Sep 19 16:14:42 2023
    nospam wrote:

    In article <uecda2$2d9ot$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman ><REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    While most of these features are welcome, if you're like me,
    you may >> not LOVE every single new offering from iOS 17.
    Sometimes I don't want >> change, especially when it's drastic,
    because I get used to the way of >> doing certain things.

    upgrading to ios 17 is optional. if you don't like the new
    features, > then don't upgrade to it.


    How is it optional? Wonąt everyone have to upgrade to it
    eventually to maintain software support?

    nope. there is no requirement to upgrade nor is it forced. when it
    asks to confirm the upgrade, decline it. you can remain at whatever
    version you want. ios developers have multiple devices with various
    older versions for testing (which is annoying but that's how it is).


    The article is for those who find annoying features AFTER upgrading
    with no method to downgrade.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Sep 19 14:58:21 2023
    In article <xn0o70ukz77g2y300b@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    The article is for those who find annoying features AFTER upgrading
    with no method to downgrade.

    you can downgrade for about a week or two after the official release
    date (which means months for beta users).

    or you can defer upgrading until the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Sep 19 13:34:30 2023
    On 9/19/2023 10:04 AM, badgolferman wrote:

    <snip>

    How is it optional? Won’t everyone have to upgrade to it eventually to maintain software support?

    If you want to maintain OS support after iOS 16 is no longer being
    supported, then yes, but that's years away.

    If you buy an iPhone 15 you get iOS 17, there's no way around that.

    Also, it's not like with Microsoft Windows where you can downgrade after upgrading if you don't like the new version.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Sep 19 19:11:22 2023
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-09-19 08:04, badgolferman wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <xn0o70qvv72ixh4008@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:


    While most of these features are welcome, if you're like me, you may
    not LOVE every single new offering from iOS 17. Sometimes I don't want >>>> change, especially when it's drastic, because I get used to the way of >>>> doing certain things.

    upgrading to ios 17 is *optional*. if you don't like the new features,
    then don't upgrade to it.


    How is it optional? Won’t everyone have to upgrade to it eventually to
    maintain software support?

    Based on Apple's policies, in about 6 years everyone will have had to
    upgrade to iOS 17.

    SIX YEARS

    Clearly not true. iOS 14 hasn't had an update in nearly two years whereas
    15 and 16 have had several. If you want a fully patched ios, it needs to be
    the most recent or next most recent for a short time.

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Sep 19 19:13:23 2023
    nospam wrote:

    In article <xn0o70ukz77g2y300b@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    The article is for those who find annoying features AFTER upgrading
    with no method to downgrade.

    you can downgrade for about a week or two after the official release
    date (which means months for beta users).

    or you can defer upgrading until the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

    I updated my work iPhone 11 to iOS 17. I do not see where I can
    uninstall the new operating system. Care to show us rather than just
    say nope?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Sep 19 14:58:18 2023
    In article <uecgfu$2dplo$2@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    How is it optional? Wonąt everyone have to upgrade to it eventually to maintain software support?

    Based on Apple's policies, in about 6 years everyone will have had to
    upgrade to iOS 17.

    SIX YEARS

    nope. they can keep using whatever they have now.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Tue Sep 19 14:58:20 2023
    In article <uecpjl$2fmh7$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Also, it's not like with Microsoft Windows where you can downgrade after upgrading if you don't like the new version.

    false.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Sep 19 15:36:42 2023
    In article <xn0o70zai7dtvoo000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    The article is for those who find annoying features AFTER upgrading
    with no method to downgrade.

    you can downgrade for about a week or two after the official release
    date (which means months for beta users).

    or you can defer upgrading until the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

    I updated my work iPhone 11 to iOS 17. I do not see where I can
    uninstall the new operating system. Care to show us rather than just
    say nope?

    there's this thing called a search engine. guess what it does when you
    query for downgrade ios 17 to 16.

    this works, even though it's about beta versions: <https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/downgrade-from-ios-17-to-ios-17/> <https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/how-to-downgrade-from-ios-17-beta-back- to-ios-16>

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Chris on Tue Sep 19 12:38:09 2023
    On 2023-09-19 12:11, Chris wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-09-19 08:04, badgolferman wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <xn0o70qvv72ixh4008@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:


    While most of these features are welcome, if you're like me, you may >>>>> not LOVE every single new offering from iOS 17. Sometimes I don't want >>>>> change, especially when it's drastic, because I get used to the way of >>>>> doing certain things.

    upgrading to ios 17 is *optional*. if you don't like the new features, >>>> then don't upgrade to it.


    How is it optional? Won’t everyone have to upgrade to it eventually to >>> maintain software support?

    Based on Apple's policies, in about 6 years everyone will have had to
    upgrade to iOS 17.

    SIX YEARS

    Clearly not true. iOS 14 hasn't had an update in nearly two years whereas
    15 and 16 have had several. If you want a fully patched ios, it needs to be the most recent or next most recent for a short time.


    But the most recent works on phones bought up to 6 years ago, agreed?

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Sep 20 00:12:32 2023
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote

    Also, it's not like with Microsoft Windows where you can downgrade after
    upgrading if you don't like the new version.

    false.

    *It's not only iOS that nospam is completely ignorant about*

    With Windows, for example, you could install Windows 11 today, and then, tomorrow you could wipe the disk clean and install Windows 10 all over.

    *It's no longer surprising how ignorant the iKooks like nospam are*

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  • From Frankie@21:1/5 to sms on Wed Sep 20 00:10:28 2023
    On 19/9/2023, sms wrote:

    How is it optional? Won˘t everyone have to upgrade to it eventually to
    maintain software support?

    If you want to maintain OS support after iOS 16 is no longer being
    supported, then yes, but that's years away.

    Apple dropped full support for iOS 16 the very day that iOS 17 shipped.

    Also, it's not like with Microsoft Windows where you can downgrade after upgrading if you don't like the new version.

    Apple supports older releases like iOS 16 like Windows supports Vista.

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Sep 19 22:58:10 2023
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <xn0o70zai7dtvoo000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    The article is for those who find annoying features AFTER upgrading
    with no method to downgrade.

    you can downgrade for about a week or two after the official release
    date (which means months for beta users).

    or you can defer upgrading until the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

    I updated my work iPhone 11 to iOS 17. I do not see where I can
    uninstall the new operating system. Care to show us rather than just
    say nope?

    there's this thing called a search engine. guess what it does when you
    query for downgrade ios 17 to 16.

    this works, even though it's about beta versions: <https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/downgrade-from-ios-17-to-ios-17/> <https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/how-to-downgrade-from-ios-17-beta-back- to-ios-16>


    I don’t have iTunes and refuse to install it. And I don’t have a Mac so I guess it’s impossible otherwise.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com on Tue Sep 19 19:09:35 2023
    In article <ued922$2ikl8$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    I updated my work iPhone 11 to iOS 17. I do not see where I can
    uninstall the new operating system. Care to show us rather than just
    say nope?

    there's this thing called a search engine. guess what it does when you query for downgrade ios 17 to 16.

    this works, even though it's about beta versions: <https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/downgrade-from-ios-17-to-ios-17/> <https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/how-to-downgrade-from-ios-17-beta-back- to-ios-16>


    I donąt have iTunes and refuse to install it. And I donąt have a Mac so I guess itąs impossible otherwise.

    your choice, but that's how to downgrade. you might be able to go to an
    apple store and 'borrow' a mac there.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Wally J on Tue Sep 19 15:53:37 2023
    On 2023-09-19 14:12, Wally J wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote

    Also, it's not like with Microsoft Windows where you can downgrade after >>> upgrading if you don't like the new version.

    false.

    *It's not only iOS that nospam is completely ignorant about*

    With Windows, for example, you could install Windows 11 today, and then, tomorrow you could wipe the disk clean and install Windows 10 all over.

    *It's no longer surprising how ignorant the iKooks like nospam are*

    And phones aren't general purpose computers.

    Film at 11.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Sep 19 23:14:28 2023
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <ued922$2ikl8$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    I updated my work iPhone 11 to iOS 17. I do not see where I can
    uninstall the new operating system. Care to show us rather than just
    say nope?

    there's this thing called a search engine. guess what it does when you
    query for downgrade ios 17 to 16.

    this works, even though it's about beta versions:
    <https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/downgrade-from-ios-17-to-ios-17/>
    <https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/how-to-downgrade-from-ios-17-beta-back- >>> to-ios-16>


    I donÂąt have iTunes and refuse to install it. And I donÂąt have a Mac so I >> guess itÂąs impossible otherwise.

    your choice, but that's how to downgrade. you might be able to go to an
    apple store and 'borrow' a mac there.

    I’m amazed how the release of iOS 17 can generate such cantankerous
    threads. I got it and haven’t run into any deal breakers yet. The battery
    may have drained a little faster today. Nothing major.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to ecphoric@allspamis.invalid on Tue Sep 19 19:23:50 2023
    In article <Y6GcncMgVbDJtpf4nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:


    Iąm amazed how the release of iOS 17 can generate such cantankerous
    threads. I got it and havenąt run into any deal breakers yet. The battery
    may have drained a little faster today. Nothing major.

    the battery always drains a little faster immediately after an upgrade
    as various background processes do their thing. once they're done,
    things return to normal.

    another factor is people try out the various new features, which means
    more usage than they otherwise would have had. that too returns to
    normal.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Sep 19 17:05:06 2023
    On 2023-09-19 15:58, badgolferman wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <xn0o70zai7dtvoo000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    The article is for those who find annoying features AFTER upgrading
    with no method to downgrade.

    you can downgrade for about a week or two after the official release
    date (which means months for beta users).

    or you can defer upgrading until the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

    I updated my work iPhone 11 to iOS 17. I do not see where I can
    uninstall the new operating system. Care to show us rather than just
    say nope?

    there's this thing called a search engine. guess what it does when you
    query for downgrade ios 17 to 16.

    this works, even though it's about beta versions:
    <https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/downgrade-from-ios-17-to-ios-17/>
    <https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/how-to-downgrade-from-ios-17-beta-back-
    to-ios-16>


    I don’t have iTunes and refuse to install it. And I don’t have a Mac so I guess it’s impossible otherwise.


    So you're so doctrinaire that you can't install an application..

    ...and then uninstall it once you don't need it anymore?

    Seriously?

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Sep 19 20:02:33 2023
    badgolferman wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <xn0o70zai7dtvoo000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    The article is for those who find annoying features AFTER upgrading
    with no method to downgrade.

    you can downgrade for about a week or two after the official release
    date (which means months for beta users).

    or you can defer upgrading until the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

    I updated my work iPhone 11 to iOS 17. I do not see where I can
    uninstall the new operating system. Care to show us rather than just
    say nope?

    there's this thing called a search engine. guess what it does when you
    query for downgrade ios 17 to 16.

    this works, even though it's about beta versions:
    <https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/downgrade-from-ios-17-to-ios-17/>
    <https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/how-to-downgrade-from-ios-17-beta-back-
    to-ios-16>


    I don’t have iTunes and refuse to install it. And I don’t have a Mac so I guess it’s impossible otherwise.


    It's apple's way or no way. Welcome to the garden.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Tue Sep 19 18:36:43 2023
    On 2023-09-19 18:02, Hank Rogers wrote:
    badgolferman wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <xn0o70zai7dtvoo000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    The article is for those who find annoying features AFTER upgrading >>>>>> with no method to downgrade.

    you can downgrade for about a week or two after the official release >>>>> date (which means months for beta users).

    or you can defer upgrading until the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. >>>>
    I updated my work iPhone 11 to iOS 17.  I do not see where I can
    uninstall the new operating system.  Care to show us rather than just >>>> say nope?

    there's this thing called a search engine. guess what it does when you
    query for downgrade ios 17 to 16.

    this works, even though it's about beta versions:
    <https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/downgrade-from-ios-17-to-ios-17/>
    <https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/how-to-downgrade-from-ios-17-beta-back- >>> to-ios-16>


    I don’t have iTunes and refuse to install it. And I don’t have a
    Mac so I
    guess it’s impossible otherwise.


    It's apple's way or no way. Welcome to the garden.



    Indeed and there are 100s of millions of people who find that to be a boon.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Sep 20 01:52:38 2023
    On 2023-09-19, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <xn0o70zai7dtvoo000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    The article is for those who find annoying features AFTER upgrading
    with no method to downgrade.

    you can downgrade for about a week or two after the official release
    date (which means months for beta users).

    or you can defer upgrading until the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

    I updated my work iPhone 11 to iOS 17. I do not see where I can
    uninstall the new operating system. Care to show us rather than just
    say nope?

    there's this thing called a search engine. guess what it does when you
    query for downgrade ios 17 to 16.

    this works, even though it's about beta versions:
    <https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/downgrade-from-ios-17-to-ios-17/>
    <https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/how-to-downgrade-from-ios-17-beta-back-
    to-ios-16>

    I don’t have iTunes and refuse to install it.

    That's a *you* problem.

    And I don’t have a Mac

    Also a *you* problem.

    And you haven't refuted what nospam said - it's true.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to ecphoric@allspamis.invalid on Wed Sep 20 01:53:47 2023
    On 2023-09-19, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <ued922$2ikl8$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    I updated my work iPhone 11 to iOS 17. I do not see where I can
    uninstall the new operating system. Care to show us rather than just >>>>> say nope?

    there's this thing called a search engine. guess what it does when you >>>> query for downgrade ios 17 to 16.

    this works, even though it's about beta versions:
    <https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/downgrade-from-ios-17-to-ios-17/>
    <https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/how-to-downgrade-from-ios-17-beta-back- >>>> to-ios-16>


    I donÂąt have iTunes and refuse to install it. And I donÂąt have a Mac so I >>> guess itÂąs impossible otherwise.

    your choice, but that's how to downgrade. you might be able to go to an
    apple store and 'borrow' a mac there.

    I’m amazed how the release of iOS 17 can generate such cantankerous threads.

    Most of them are from resident trolls looking for *anything* to bitch
    and moan about.

    I got it and haven’t run into any deal breakers yet. The battery
    may have drained a little faster today. Nothing major.

    It's normal for the device to work a little harder and drain the battery
    a little faster right after an update.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Wed Sep 20 01:54:37 2023
    On 2023-09-20, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    badgolferman wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <xn0o70zai7dtvoo000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    The article is for those who find annoying features AFTER upgrading >>>>>> with no method to downgrade.

    you can downgrade for about a week or two after the official release >>>>> date (which means months for beta users).

    or you can defer upgrading until the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. >>>>
    I updated my work iPhone 11 to iOS 17. I do not see where I can
    uninstall the new operating system. Care to show us rather than just
    say nope?

    there's this thing called a search engine. guess what it does when you
    query for downgrade ios 17 to 16.

    this works, even though it's about beta versions:
    <https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/downgrade-from-ios-17-to-ios-17/>
    <https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/how-to-downgrade-from-ios-17-beta-back- >>> to-ios-16>


    I don’t have iTunes and refuse to install it. And I don’t have a Mac so I
    guess it’s impossible otherwise.

    It's apple's way or no way. Welcome to the garden.

    Android is right down the alley, next to the dumpster. Enjoy.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Tue Sep 19 22:54:21 2023
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

    I˘m amazed how the release of iOS 17 can generate such cantankerous
    threads.

    Most of them are from resident trolls looking for *anything* to bitch
    and moan about.

    Hi Jolly Roger,

    *You low-IQ ignorant iKooks _lied for years_ about Apple support*

    FACT:
    As of the 18th, iOS 16 is no longer supported for full hotfix support.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=b6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 20 06:09:07 2023
    Am 20.09.23 um 01:14 schrieb *Hemidactylus*:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <ued922$2ikl8$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    I updated my work iPhone 11 to iOS 17. I do not see where I can
    uninstall the new operating system. Care to show us rather than just >>>>> say nope?

    there's this thing called a search engine. guess what it does when you >>>> query for downgrade ios 17 to 16.

    this works, even though it's about beta versions:
    <https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/downgrade-from-ios-17-to-ios-17/>
    <https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/how-to-downgrade-from-ios-17-beta-back- >>>> to-ios-16>


    I donÂąt have iTunes and refuse to install it. And I donÂąt have a Mac so I >>> guess itÂąs impossible otherwise.

    your choice, but that's how to downgrade. you might be able to go to an
    apple store and 'borrow' a mac there.

    I’m amazed how the release of iOS 17 can generate such cantankerous threads. I got it and haven’t run into any deal breakers yet. The battery may have drained a little faster today. Nothing major.

    It should be back to normal as soon as indexing and other one time
    processes after an upgrade are finished.

    --
    Alea iacta est

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Wally J on Wed Sep 20 00:32:32 2023
    On 2023-09-19 19:54, Wally J wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

    Iâ–Ś amazed how the release of iOS 17 can generate such cantankerous
    threads.

    Most of them are from resident trolls looking for *anything* to bitch
    and moan about.

    Hi Jolly Roger,

    *You low-IQ ignorant iKooks _lied for years_ about Apple support*

    FACT:
    As of the 18th, iOS 16 is no longer supported for full hotfix support.

    Nope. That is an ASSERTION.

    What IS a fact is that Apple routinely supports its devices for as long
    as 6 years.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Sep 20 17:43:47 2023
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-09-19 12:11, Chris wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-09-19 08:04, badgolferman wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <xn0o70qvv72ixh4008@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:


    While most of these features are welcome, if you're like me, you may >>>>>> not LOVE every single new offering from iOS 17. Sometimes I don't want >>>>>> change, especially when it's drastic, because I get used to the way of >>>>>> doing certain things.

    upgrading to ios 17 is *optional*. if you don't like the new features, >>>>> then don't upgrade to it.


    How is it optional? Won’t everyone have to upgrade to it eventually to >>>> maintain software support?

    Based on Apple's policies, in about 6 years everyone will have had to
    upgrade to iOS 17.

    SIX YEARS

    Clearly not true. iOS 14 hasn't had an update in nearly two years whereas
    15 and 16 have had several. If you want a fully patched ios, it needs to be >> the most recent or next most recent for a short time.


    But the most recent works on phones bought up to 6 years ago, agreed?

    Not the point badgolferman was making.

    nospam responded that upgrading to ios 17 was optional if you didn't like
    some features, however, you only get all security/software updates with ios
    17.

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