After publishing my thermal images of the iPhone 15 Pro before and
after updating to iOS 17.0.3 -- which has resolved the overheating
issue when fast-charging -- I have received reports from iPhone 15 Pro
users who are still having problems with their phones getting too hot,
even after updating to iOS 17.0.3.

None of the reports have involved overheating during fast-charging, so
that issue does still appear to be fixed. However, people have reported problems with their iPhone 15 Pro or Pro Max overheating when making
phone calls, playing games, keeping their phone in their pocket,
playing music, using the camera.

Suchowolski provided a photo of a thermometer he used to measure the temperature of his iPhone 15 Pro Max when it was overheating. The
thermometer clocked the temperature at 42 degrees Celsius. That's 107.6
degrees Fahrenheit -- very similar to the 107.1 F reading I got during
my testing of the phone when fast-charging, before iOS 17.0.3.

In addition to overheating, Suchowolski also experienced some odd
screen burn-in, as shown in the photo on the right.

But, after updating to iOS 17.0.3, they reported, "I woke up yesterday
morning with my phone at 68% and multiple alerts saying charging has
been paused due to temperature and the phone was extremely hot. Last
night I turned off standby mode and tried charging via magsafe again
and it got the same temperature warning after 30 minutes so I just
plugged it in with a 20W apple charging cable/block. It was still
hotter than normal this morning but charged to 100% without any
warnings."


https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-iphone-15-pro-overheating-reports-still-too-hot-after-ios-17-0-3-and-fresh-issues-arise-after-the-update/

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Am 12.10.23 um 13:44 schrieb badgolferman:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-iphone-15-pro-overheating-reports-still-too-hot-after-ios-17-0-3-and-fresh-issues-arise-after-the-update/

Nobody needs internet gateways.
Are you so bored again?
Who pays you for this daily shit you write?

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On 10/12/2023 4:44 AM, badgolferman wrote:

After publishing my thermal images of the iPhone 15 Pro before and
after updating to iOS 17.0.3 -- which has resolved the overheating
issue when fast-charging -- I have received reports from iPhone 15 Pro
users who are still having problems with their phones getting too hot,
even after updating to iOS 17.0.3.

None of the reports have involved overheating during fast-charging, so
that issue does still appear to be fixed. However, people have reported problems with their iPhone 15 Pro or Pro Max overheating when making
phone calls, playing games, keeping their phone in their pocket,
playing music, using the camera.

Suchowolski provided a photo of a thermometer he used to measure the temperature of his iPhone 15 Pro Max when it was overheating. The
thermometer clocked the temperature at 42 degrees Celsius. That's 107.6 degrees Fahrenheit -- very similar to the 107.1 F reading I got during
my testing of the phone when fast-charging, before iOS 17.0.3.

"TotalMacMove on the MacRumors forums reported having an overheating
issue with their iPhone 15 Pro during a MagSafe fast-charging session on
the popular Belkin 3-in-1 BoostCharge Pro."

I think that the issue may be related to non-Apple, higher-power,
wireless chargers. That's the issue I ran into with my iPhone 11 running
17.1. On the low-power MagSafe charger in my car the 11 works fine (I
have a MagSafe case on it since the 11 doesn't directly support MagSafe)
but on a high-power wireless charger
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08DTWJ2FP> it overheats (even though it is
only 10W).

Did you hear about the BMW issue with the iPhone 15 wireless charging <https://www.macrumors.com/2023/10/01/bmw-charging-may-break-iphone-15-nfc-chip/>?

I always advise people to not rush out and buy the newest phone, from
whatever manufacturer, as soon as it is released. There are certain to
be ECOs (engineering change orders)

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On 10/12/2023 4:44 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

But, after updating to iOS 17.0.3, they reported, "I woke up yesterday morning with my phone at 68% and multiple alerts saying charging has
been paused due to temperature and the phone was extremely hot. Last
night I turned off standby mode and tried charging via magsafe again
and it got the same temperature warning after 30 minutes so I just
plugged it in with a 20W apple charging cable/block. It was still
hotter than normal this morning but charged to 100% without any
warnings."

It would be nice if the iPhone had the ability to reduce wireless
charging wattage when the phone gets too hot. It doesn't appear that
this is possible since there is no communications channel between the
wireless charger and the phone, and the charger would have to also have
a way of reducing wireless charging power. Instead the phone just stops charging.

Apple states: "The MagSafe Charger is designed to quickly and safely
wirelessly charge your iPhone. The system intelligently adapts to
conditions to optimize charging your iPhone at up to 15W of peak power
delivery for faster wireless charging. The actual power delivered to the
iPhone will vary depending on the wattage of the power adapter and
system conditions."

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they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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On 10/12/2023 4:44 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-iphone-15-pro-overheating-reports-still-too-hot-after-ios-17-0-3-and-fresh-issues-arise-after-the-update/

There is an adjustable, peltier element w/fan, cooler available that
could be used to mitigate the overheating It's powered by USB-C. <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0916DWXT5>. Not sure if it would work with a
case on the phone, but you would only want to use it with a metal case
if you did use a case.

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On 2023-10-14 11:01, sms wrote:

On 10/12/2023 4:44 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-iphone-15-pro-overheating-reports-still-too-hot-after-ios-17-0-3-and-fresh-issues-arise-after-the-update/

There is an adjustable, peltier element w/fan, cooler available that
could be used to mitigate the overheating It's powered by USB-C. <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0916DWXT5>. Not sure if it would work with a
case on the phone, but you would only want to use it with a metal case
if you did use a case.

Silly solution for a transient problem.

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On 10/14/2023 8:24 AM, Mark L wrote:

On 2023-10-14 11:01, sms wrote:

On 10/12/2023 4:44 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-iphone-15-pro-overheating-reports-still-too-hot-after-ios-17-0-3-and-fresh-issues-arise-after-the-update/

There is an adjustable, peltier element w/fan, cooler available that
could be used to mitigate the overheating It's powered by USB-C.
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0916DWXT5>. Not sure if it would work with
a case on the phone, but you would only want to use it with a metal
case if you did use a case.

Silly solution for a transient problem.

It is not clear at all that this is a transient problem. It is a design
issue and the software changes made so far to try to mitigate the
problem have made a difference in some situations but have not been
successful overall. The key problem is that reducing thermals without
reducing performance is not really possible.

--
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On 2023-10-14 11:46, sms wrote:

On 10/14/2023 8:24 AM, Mark L wrote:

On 2023-10-14 11:01, sms wrote:

On 10/12/2023 4:44 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-iphone-15-pro-overheating-reports-still-too-hot-after-ios-17-0-3-and-fresh-issues-arise-after-the-update/

There is an adjustable, peltier element w/fan, cooler available that
could be used to mitigate the overheating It's powered by USB-C.
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0916DWXT5>. Not sure if it would work
with a case on the phone, but you would only want to use it with a
metal case if you did use a case.

Silly solution for a transient problem.

It is not clear at all that this is a transient problem. It is a design
issue and the software changes made so far to try to mitigate the
problem have made a difference in some situations but have not been successful overall. The key problem is that reducing thermals without reducing performance is not really possible.

Already proven false. While there are sporadic reports of problems with
some people and their iPhones with 17.0.3, it is not across the board -
far from it. Of course the few who do have issues will get the ink from
the sources (above) who get clicks based on "bad news".

This leaves either defective units, unit configuration, particular s/w configuration and/or combinations of same (various s/w and various configurations).

In the link above, for example, in one case there is a wireless charger involved. So that's an external factor. Example: Could be there is a
bug in the communication taking place between the phone and the charger.
That would be a s/w issue.

The solution to date has not resulted in performance loss (despite you parroting a badly done test). And the solution to the remaining "cases"
that are out there likely will not either.

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On 2023-10-14 12:46, Mark L wrote:

On 2023-10-14 11:46, sms wrote:

On 10/14/2023 8:24 AM, Mark L wrote:

On 2023-10-14 11:01, sms wrote:

On 10/12/2023 4:44 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-iphone-15-pro-overheating-reports-still-too-hot-after-ios-17-0-3-and-fresh-issues-arise-after-the-update/

There is an adjustable, peltier element w/fan, cooler available that
could be used to mitigate the overheating It's powered by USB-C.
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0916DWXT5>. Not sure if it would work

Neglected to add that a Peltier effect heat transfer is not electrically efficient and has particular design "demands" that likely would not fit
in such a small device. The cooler you linked to is refrigerant based
per its description.

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On 14/10/2023, sms wrote:

The key problem is that reducing thermals without
reducing performance is not really possible.

The only way to reduce the overheating is to reduce the performance.

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On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:46:29 -0400, Mark L wrote:

The key problem is that reducing thermals without

reducing performance is not really possible.

Already proven false.

You'll never hear Apple explain the reduction in performance as a reduction
in performance. Apple is more likely to say they "extended the life."

The problem is that most if not all the time the only way to reduce heat is
to reduce performance because you have to ask where that heat comes from.

There could be endless looping in one app but it's not likely to happen in dozens of apps, so fixing it at the app level will also reduce performance.

Fixing it at the software interface to the hardware level is what Apple did
the last time which if you say didn't reduce performance then you're a nut.

Apple was very careful not to say that they reduced performance when nobody
was fooled by Apple saying they "extended the life of the iPhone" instead.

A major problem here is not only Apple lost all credibility with the last
time Apple "extended the life" of the device, but Apple this time has been extremely coy about where the overheating is happening, calling various instance of overheating "the bug" which if it were, they'd be fixed.

The fact the overheating wasn't fixed implies the problem is systemic.

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On 2023-10-14 16:12, Frankie wrote:

On 14/10/2023, sms wrote:

The key problem is that reducing thermals without
reducing performance is not really possible.

The only way to reduce the overheating is to reduce the performance.

Already proven false with the 17.0.3 upgrade.

The few reported problems after 17.0.3 will come down to narrower and
narrower cases.

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On 2023-10-14 16:20, Bradley wrote:

On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 12:46:29 -0400, Mark L wrote:

The key problem is that reducing thermals without

reducing performance is not really possible.

Already proven false.

You'll never hear Apple explain the reduction in performance as a
reduction in performance. Apple is more likely to say they "extended the life."
The problem is that most if not all the time the only way to reduce heat
is to reduce performance because you have to ask where that heat comes
from.

Various people have benchmarked the 17.0.3 update and found:

- overheating issue solved.
- performance the same as before (benchmarks).

There could be endless looping in one app but it's not likely to happen
in dozens of apps, so fixing it at the app level will also reduce performance.

You clearly have no clue.

The fact the overheating wasn't fixed implies the problem is systemic.

The overheating has been fixed other than a few cases - this will come
down to some exceptional circumstances.

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On 10/14/2023 4:49 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

The fact the overheating wasn't fixed implies the problem is systemic.

The overheating has been fixed other than a few cases

The iPhone 15 overheating is not fixed until all the cases are fixed.

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On 2023-10-14 23:38, Bradley wrote:

On 10/14/2023 4:49 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

The fact the overheating wasn't fixed implies the problem is systemic.

The overheating has been fixed other than a few cases

The iPhone 15 overheating is not fixed until all the cases are fixed.

Sorry, but that is obviously bullshit.

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On 2023-10-15 02:38, Bradley wrote:

On 10/14/2023 4:49 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

The fact the overheating wasn't fixed implies the problem is systemic.

The overheating has been fixed other than a few cases

The iPhone 15 overheating is not fixed until all the cases are fixed.

ROFL - proving you have no clue what you're on about.

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On 2023-10-15, Bradley <bradley@nospam.com> wrote:

On 10/14/2023 4:49 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

The fact the overheating wasn't fixed implies the problem is systemic.

The overheating has been fixed other than a few cases

The iPhone 15 overheating is not fixed until all the cases are fixed.

Android phones overheating isn't fixed until all the cases are fixed:

<https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/3333708> <https://www.samsung.com/sg/support/mobile-devices/what-to-do-if-your-galaxy-s23-device-is-overheating/>
<https://bgr.com/tech/galaxy-s22-overheating-might-not-just-be-samsungs-fault/> <https://phoneswiz.com/fix-oneplus-11-overheating-issue/> <https://www.techradar.com/news/pixel-7-and-6-units-have-been-overheating-but-google-has-a-fix-for-that>
...the list goes on...

But we're all supposed to ignore these. They are all different. And so
is the iPhone. Because: troll. 😉

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