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Occasionally, I send myself an email (often with an attachment) from my
iPhone X. Usually it is something I need to get onto my computer. When
I go to check the mail, it does not appear in the inbox of the computer.
It does appear on the phone in the inbox.
I go back to the computer and look in the sent mail folder and there it
is, and does allow me to get the attachment I need onto the computer at
least. Giving it time is not the problem, it just never gets to the
inbox for some reason and I'm wondering why. Not really sure where to
start looking and appreciate any ideas.

sticks

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On 10/15/2023 12:23 PM, Big Al wrote:

On 10/15/23 01:13 PM, this is what sticks wrote:

Occasionally, I send myself an email (often with an attachment) from
my iPhone X.  Usually it is something I need to get onto my computer.
When I go to check the mail, it does not appear in the inbox of the
computer.  It does appear on the phone in the inbox.
I go back to the computer and look in the sent mail folder and there
it is, and does allow me to get the attachment I need onto the
computer at least.  Giving it time is not the problem, it just never
gets to the inbox for some reason and I'm wondering why.  Not really
sure where to start looking and appreciate any ideas.

sticks

I'm assuming it's IMAP?

Yes

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On 10/15/23 01:13 PM, this is what sticks wrote:

Occasionally, I send myself an email (often with an attachment) from my iPhone X.  Usually it is something I need to get
onto my computer.  When I go to check the mail, it does not appear in the inbox of the computer.  It does appear on the
phone in the inbox.
I go back to the computer and look in the sent mail folder and there it is, and does allow me to get the attachment I
need onto the computer at least.  Giving it time is not the problem, it just never gets to the inbox for some reason and
I'm wondering why.  Not really sure where to start looking and appreciate any ideas.

sticks

I'm assuming it's IMAP?
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Al

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On 10/15/2023 12:39 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2023-10-15 13:13, sticks wrote:

Occasionally, I send myself an email (often with an attachment) from
my iPhone X.  Usually it is something I need to get onto my computer.
When I go to check the mail, it does not appear in the inbox of the
computer.   It does appear on the phone in the inbox.
I go back to the computer and look in the sent mail folder and there
it is, and does allow me to get the attachment I need onto the
computer at least.  Giving it time is not the problem, it just never
gets to the inbox for some reason and I'm wondering why.  Not really
sure where to start looking and appreciate any ideas.

I just tested this using the Apple Mail client on the phone and sent a
gmail to the same gmail address.

It showed up on my home computer (Apple Mail as well) in due course (10 seconds or so).

I wasn't aware Thunderbird was available for the iPhone.  I see some
chatter about it coming in 2023 - but I don't see it on the iOS App
Store.  (Limited to the US?).

IAC, I'd be happy to try it with TB, but can't find the app for iOS.

This is using the iphone native mail app and Betterbird on the desktop actually. I don't think there is a difference between BBird and TBird
on this FWIW.

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On 2023-10-15 13:13, sticks wrote:

Occasionally, I send myself an email (often with an attachment) from my iPhone X.  Usually it is something I need to get onto my computer.  When
I go to check the mail, it does not appear in the inbox of the computer.
 It does appear on the phone in the inbox.
I go back to the computer and look in the sent mail folder and there it
is, and does allow me to get the attachment I need onto the computer at least.  Giving it time is not the problem, it just never gets to the
inbox for some reason and I'm wondering why.  Not really sure where to
start looking and appreciate any ideas.

I just tested this using the Apple Mail client on the phone and sent a
gmail to the same gmail address.

It showed up on my home computer (Apple Mail as well) in due course (10
seconds or so).

I wasn't aware Thunderbird was available for the iPhone. I see some
chatter about it coming in 2023 - but I don't see it on the iOS App
Store. (Limited to the US?).

IAC, I'd be happy to try it with TB, but can't find the app for iOS.

--
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- John Maynard Keynes.

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On 2023-10-15 13:55, sticks wrote:

On 10/15/2023 12:39 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2023-10-15 13:13, sticks wrote:

Occasionally, I send myself an email (often with an attachment) from
my iPhone X.  Usually it is something I need to get onto my computer.
When I go to check the mail, it does not appear in the inbox of the
computer.   It does appear on the phone in the inbox.
I go back to the computer and look in the sent mail folder and there
it is, and does allow me to get the attachment I need onto the
computer at least.  Giving it time is not the problem, it just never
gets to the inbox for some reason and I'm wondering why.  Not really
sure where to start looking and appreciate any ideas.

I just tested this using the Apple Mail client on the phone and sent a
gmail to the same gmail address.

It showed up on my home computer (Apple Mail as well) in due course
(10 seconds or so).

I wasn't aware Thunderbird was available for the iPhone.  I see some
chatter about it coming in 2023 - but I don't see it on the iOS App
Store.  (Limited to the US?).

IAC, I'd be happy to try it with TB, but can't find the app for iOS.

This is using the iphone native mail app and Betterbird on the desktop actually.  I don't think there is a difference between BBird and TBird
on this FWIW.

Silly me. Seeing a x-post to the TBird group and assuming ...

... so, as I mentioned, no issue sending from 1 account to same account.

And tried again with my ISP account (non-gmail), no problem.

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On 15.10.23 19:13, sticks wrote:

Occasionally, I send myself an email (often with an attachment) from my iPhone X. Usually it is something I need to get onto my computer. When
I go to check the mail, it does not appear in the inbox of the computer.
It does appear on the phone in the inbox.
I go back to the computer and look in the sent mail folder and there it
is, and does allow me to get the attachment I need onto the computer at least. Giving it time is not the problem, it just never gets to the
inbox for some reason and I'm wondering why. Not really sure where to
start looking and appreciate any ideas.

Filters active?
Or Spambox?

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On 2023-10-15 19:13, sticks wrote:

Occasionally, I send myself an email (often with an attachment) from my iPhone X.  Usually it is something I need to get onto my computer.  When
I go to check the mail, it does not appear in the inbox of the computer.
 It does appear on the phone in the inbox.
I go back to the computer and look in the sent mail folder and there it
is, and does allow me to get the attachment I need onto the computer at least.  Giving it time is not the problem, it just never gets to the
inbox for some reason and I'm wondering why.  Not really sure where to
start looking and appreciate any ideas.

If it is a gmail account, it will not show. Feature.

What I do, is save the email instead of sending it on the phone; then I
open the draft folder on the computer and there it is. It works on any
imap mail account.

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Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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On 10/15/2023 2:33 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 15.10.23 19:13, sticks wrote:

Occasionally, I send myself an email (often with an attachment) from my
iPhone X. Usually it is something I need to get onto my computer. When
I go to check the mail, it does not appear in the inbox of the computer.
It does appear on the phone in the inbox.
I go back to the computer and look in the sent mail folder and there it
is, and does allow me to get the attachment I need onto the computer at
least. Giving it time is not the problem, it just never gets to the
inbox for some reason and I'm wondering why. Not really sure where to
start looking and appreciate any ideas.

Filters active?
Or Spambox?

No, I have only a small filter for the account and it would not cause
this. I also do not use the "trust junk mail headers set by" feature in account settings. I do enable adaptive learning, but the message
doesn't get identified as spam. Just never makes it.

I'm going to do a little more testing tomorrow on whether or not
attaching something from the iphone has a different effect than sending something without an attachment and get back.

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On 2023-10-16 00:11, sticks wrote:

On 10/15/2023 2:33 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 15.10.23 19:13, sticks wrote:

Occasionally, I send myself an email (often with an attachment) from my
iPhone X.  Usually it is something I need to get onto my computer.  When >>> I go to check the mail, it does not appear in the inbox of the computer. >>>    It does appear on the phone in the inbox.
I go back to the computer and look in the sent mail folder and there it
is, and does allow me to get the attachment I need onto the computer at
least.  Giving it time is not the problem, it just never gets to the
inbox for some reason and I'm wondering why.  Not really sure where to
start looking and appreciate any ideas.

Filters active?
Or Spambox?

No, I have only a small filter for the account and it would not cause
this.  I also do not use the "trust junk mail headers set by" feature in account settings.  I do enable adaptive learning, but the message
doesn't get identified as spam.  Just never makes it.

I'm going to do a little more testing tomorrow on whether or not
attaching something from the iphone has a different effect than sending something without an attachment and get back.

It occurs to me that the email was not routed outside of the phone, but internally, so only the phone knows about it.

I would try to see "all headers" of that email in the phone app you use
and try to deduce if it did make outside. If you know how to read
headers, it will show.

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Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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On 2023-10-15 16:35, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2023-10-15 19:13, sticks wrote:

Occasionally, I send myself an email (often with an attachment) from
my iPhone X.  Usually it is something I need to get onto my computer.
When I go to check the mail, it does not appear in the inbox of the
computer.   It does appear on the phone in the inbox.
I go back to the computer and look in the sent mail folder and there
it is, and does allow me to get the attachment I need onto the
computer at least.  Giving it time is not the problem, it just never
gets to the inbox for some reason and I'm wondering why.  Not really
sure where to start looking and appreciate any ideas.

If it is a gmail account, it will not show. Feature.

It showed here on my iPhone Apple Mail inbox after sending it. And of
course on my computer.

What I do, is save the email instead of sending it on the phone; then I
open the draft folder on the computer and there it is. It works on any
imap mail account.

No need to do that. Went through fine.

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On 10/15/2023 5:31 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2023-10-16 00:11, sticks wrote:

On 10/15/2023 2:33 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 15.10.23 19:13, sticks wrote:

Occasionally, I send myself an email (often with an attachment) from my >>>> iPhone X.  Usually it is something I need to get onto my computer.
When
I go to check the mail, it does not appear in the inbox of the
computer.
   It does appear on the phone in the inbox.
I go back to the computer and look in the sent mail folder and there it >>>> is, and does allow me to get the attachment I need onto the computer at >>>> least.  Giving it time is not the problem, it just never gets to the
inbox for some reason and I'm wondering why.  Not really sure where to >>>> start looking and appreciate any ideas.

Filters active?
Or Spambox?

No, I have only a small filter for the account and it would not cause
this.  I also do not use the "trust junk mail headers set by" feature
in account settings.  I do enable adaptive learning, but the message
doesn't get identified as spam.  Just never makes it.

I'm going to do a little more testing tomorrow on whether or not
attaching something from the iphone has a different effect than
sending something without an attachment and get back.

It occurs to me that the email was not routed outside of the phone, but internally, so only the phone knows about it.

Interesting. It does make it into the sen folder somehow, though.

I would try to see "all headers" of that email in the phone app you use
and try to deduce if it did make outside. If you know how to read
headers, it will show.

I just tried it several different ways. With attachment, without, sent
from photo gallery, etc. Everything made it to the computer right away.
Next time this happens I'll go the the message in the sent mail and
check it's headers.

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On 10/15/2023 1:23 PM, Big Al wrote:

On 10/15/23 01:13 PM, this is what sticks wrote:

Occasionally, I send myself an email (often with an attachment) from
my iPhone X.  Usually it is something I need to get onto my computer.
When I go to check the mail, it does not appear in the inbox of the
computer.  It does appear on the phone in the inbox.
I go back to the computer and look in the sent mail folder and there
it is, and does allow me to get the attachment I need onto the
computer at least.  Giving it time is not the problem, it just never
gets to the inbox for some reason and I'm wondering why.  Not really
sure where to start looking and appreciate any ideas.

sticks

I'm assuming it's IMAP?

Look at free app "LANDrop"to transfer files iPhone to Win PC.

Another method is to not send the email but leave it in Drafts on iPhone
and look in Drafts on PC.

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sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

Occasionally, I send myself an email (often with an attachment) from my iPhone X. Usually it is something I need to get onto my computer. When
I go to check the mail, it does not appear in the inbox of the computer.
It does appear on the phone in the inbox.
I go back to the computer and look in the sent mail folder and there it
is, and does allow me to get the attachment I need onto the computer at least. Giving it time is not the problem, it just never gets to the
inbox for some reason and I'm wondering why. Not really sure where to
start looking and appreciate any ideas.

sticks

Sending and receiving accounts?

I remember when Gmail was filtering out e-mails sent to yourself; i.e.,
from your Gmail account to your Gmail account. Spammers put the
recipients e-mail address in the From header figuring users won't filter
out e-mails to themself. I don't know if Google is still filtering out
e-mails from yourself to yourself; i.e., sent from Gmail to your same
Gmail account.

It actually spurred me to define my own filter should Google drop that
circular routing filter. I have server-side filters that look if I'm
the sender. If so, delete and mark as read (goes into Trash folder, and
no highlight there is an unread message there). I can send from another account to my Gmail account, like to test a problem. I also defined a
Subject filter that looks for a specific password string. If present,
that e-mail is okay. I can send from me to me, but add the password to
assure that message is kept.

Check your own filters both server-side (in your account) and
client-side (in Tbird). Some servers let you discard filtered messages
instead of deleting them (moving to Trash folder). Discarding is like a permanent delete: the discarded message won't be in any folder. I don't
know if Tbird has both delete and discard actions, or just delete, but
your e-mail provider might allow the discard action in server-side
rules.

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Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> wrote:

On 10/15/2023 1:23 PM, Big Al wrote:

On 10/15/23 01:13 PM, this is what sticks wrote:

Occasionally, I send myself an email (often with an attachment) from
my iPhone X.� Usually it is something I need to get onto my computer.
When I go to check the mail, it does not appear in the inbox of the
computer. �It does appear on the phone in the inbox.
I go back to the computer and look in the sent mail folder and there
it is, and does allow me to get the attachment I need onto the
computer at least.� Giving it time is not the problem, it just never
gets to the inbox for some reason and I'm wondering why.� Not really
sure where to start looking and appreciate any ideas.

sticks

I'm assuming it's IMAP?

Look at free app "LANDrop"to transfer files iPhone to Win PC.

Another method is to not send the email but leave it in Drafts on iPhone
and look in Drafts on PC.

Another would be to not use e-mail all since it was never intended to be
a file transfer method. Instead use sync online storage. On my Android
phone, I have the OneDrive app. On my Windows desktop PC, I have the
OneDrive app there, too. Putting a file in one instance of the app on
either end will show the file in the app on the other end (after the
upload completes). That is, I'm using synchronized cloud storage.

I don't know what Apple offers for synchronized online/cloud storage, or
if they even have a matching app to use on whatever OS your computer
uses. It's been a while since I had an iPad, but I recall something
like Apple Cloud, but you needed an Apple account to use it. If they
don't have a desktop app for whatever OS you run there, you could use
their web client to get into your Apple Cloud account to download from
there.

(Did a search. It's called Apple iCloud. Yeah, the "i" prefix that
Apple likes to use.)

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On 10/15/2023 8:03 PM, VanguardLH wrote:

Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> wrote:

On 10/15/2023 1:23 PM, Big Al wrote:

On 10/15/23 01:13 PM, this is what sticks wrote:

Occasionally, I send myself an email (often with an attachment) from
my iPhone X.  Usually it is something I need to get onto my computer. >>>> When I go to check the mail, it does not appear in the inbox of the
computer.  It does appear on the phone in the inbox.
I go back to the computer and look in the sent mail folder and there
it is, and does allow me to get the attachment I need onto the
computer at least.  Giving it time is not the problem, it just never
gets to the inbox for some reason and I'm wondering why.  Not really
sure where to start looking and appreciate any ideas.

sticks

I'm assuming it's IMAP?

Look at free app "LANDrop"to transfer files iPhone to Win PC.

Another method is to not send the email but leave it in Drafts on iPhone
and look in Drafts on PC.

Another would be to not use e-mail all since it was never intended to be
a file transfer method. Instead use sync online storage. On my Android phone, I have the OneDrive app. On my Windows desktop PC, I have the OneDrive app there, too. Putting a file in one instance of the app on
either end will show the file in the app on the other end (after the
upload completes). That is, I'm using synchronized cloud storage.

I don't know what Apple offers for synchronized online/cloud storage, or
if they even have a matching app to use on whatever OS your computer
uses. It's been a while since I had an iPad, but I recall something
like Apple Cloud, but you needed an Apple account to use it. If they
don't have a desktop app for whatever OS you run there, you could use
their web client to get into your Apple Cloud account to download from
there.

(Did a search. It's called Apple iCloud. Yeah, the "i" prefix that
Apple likes to use.)

Yes, I already do these things. I use iCloud regularly. I also pay for
an addon called FileTransferApp that I use to download my camera stuff
onto the computer. I know I can do this other ways, and in fact as I've already said I can always find the attachment in the sent folder when it doesn't appear in the inbox.
I don't completely agree with you first statement that e-mail wasn't
intended to be a file transfer method. There's always been the ability
to attach files, and I've always used it. For much larger files than
I'm talking about here (~100K). I need an image put into my computer
for a spreadsheet I send out with an accompanying picture file I do 3
times a week for something.
The odd part of all this is that sometimes it's there, sometimes it
never gets to the inbox. I can still get done what I need to, but it
bothers me as to why it doesn't get there and I simply want to know why.
I don't want to bother others anymore wasting time on this, but I'll
keep experimenting to try and figure out why it happens when it does.
I'm sure it's something odd, and once the reason is found I'll feel
silly I didn't see it in the first place.
Again, thanks for the help folks!

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On 2023-10-16 00:18:37 +0000, sticks said:

On 10/15/2023 5:31 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2023-10-16 00:11, sticks wrote:

On 10/15/2023 2:33 PM, J�rg Lorenz wrote:

On 15.10.23 19:13, sticks wrote:

Occasionally, I send myself an email (often with an attachment) from my >>>>> iPhone X.� Usually it is something I need to get onto my computer. When >>>>> I go to check the mail, it does not appear in the inbox of the computer. >>>>> �� It does appear on the phone in the inbox.
I go back to the computer and look in the sent mail folder and there it >>>>> is, and does allow me to get the attachment I need onto the computer at >>>>> least.� Giving it time is not the problem, it just never gets to the >>>>> inbox for some reason and I'm wondering why.� Not really sure where to >>>>> start looking and appreciate any ideas.

Filters active?
Or Spambox?

No, I have only a small filter for the account and it would not cause
this.� I also do not use the "trust junk mail headers set by" feature
in account settings.� I do enable adaptive learning, but the message
doesn't get identified as spam.� Just never makes it.

I'm going to do a little more testing tomorrow on whether or not
attaching something from the iphone has a different effect than sending
something without an attachment and get back.

It occurs to me that the email was not routed outside of the phone, but
internally, so only the phone knows about it.

Interesting. It does make it into the sen folder somehow, though.

I would try to see "all headers" of that email in the phone app you use
and try to deduce if it did make outside. If you know how to read
headers, it will show.

I just tried it several different ways. With attachment, without, sent
from photo gallery, etc. Everything made it to the computer right
away. Next time this happens I'll go the the message in the sent mail
and check it's headers.

Make sure to give the email a subject line, even though you already
know what the email is about. The spam blockers on some email systems automatically block emails without a subject. Some refuse to send
without a subject as well.

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On 10/15/2023 8:58 PM, Your Name wrote:

On 2023-10-16 00:18:37 +0000, sticks said:

I just tried it several different ways.  With attachment, without,
sent from photo gallery, etc.  Everything made it to the computer
right away. Next time this happens I'll go the the message in the sent
mail and check it's headers.

Make sure to give the email a subject line, even though you already know
what the email is about. The spam blockers on some email systems automatically block emails without a subject. Some refuse to send
without a subject as well.

Now that is an interesting idea. I do give it a subject, but it is
usually something like pressing on a single key, or several taps on a
key, nothing important because I immediately go to the computer and
download the attachment.

I will do some testing on this tomorrow, cause I think you might just
have hit on something that makes sense here. Great thinking, even if it
is not the problem!

Thank YOu!

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sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

On 10/15/2023 8:58 PM, Your Name wrote:

On 2023-10-16 00:18:37 +0000, sticks said:

I just tried it several different ways.  With attachment, without,
sent from photo gallery, etc.  Everything made it to the computer
right away. Next time this happens I'll go the the message in the sent
mail and check it's headers.

Make sure to give the email a subject line, even though you already know
what the email is about. The spam blockers on some email systems
automatically block emails without a subject. Some refuse to send
without a subject as well.

Now that is an interesting idea. I do give it a subject, but it is
usually something like pressing on a single key, or several taps on a
key, nothing important because I immediately go to the computer and
download the attachment.

I will do some testing on this tomorrow, cause I think you might just
have hit on something that makes sense here. Great thinking, even if it
is not the problem!

If this is something you do often, I would recommend using a real file
sharing service e.g. dropbox, google drive, icloud, oneDrive.

As you're finding out email is suboptimal for this.

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sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Another would be to not use e-mail all since it was never intended to be
a file transfer method.

I don't completely agree with you first statement that e-mail wasn't
intended to be a file transfer method. There's always been the ability
to attach files, and I've always used it.

Nope. MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) was added later to
allow for attachments, and also to encompass binary content, in e-mail.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1521
Ratified 1993.
Perhaps MIME is older than you are, but MIME is not as old as is e-mail.
E-mail started back in 1971 with ARPANET networked messaging. My
recollection of my earliest use of e-mail was around 1974. MIME and
UTF-8 weren't even a wet dreams yet. Yes, e-mail protocols and
extensions have evolved since then, but e-mail was never intended to be
a file transfer mechanism. Attachments got added (with significant
bloat), but were expected to be small, and e-mail is not a guaranteed
message or file transfer venue.

When binary attachments get placed in MIME blocks in the body of an
e-mail, they get encoded into long text string. ALL e-mail is sent as
text. This encoding from binary to text will enlarge the size of the attachment about 37% larger, or more, than was size of the original
content. A 20 MB attachment will consume 25 MB in the MIME block, plus
there's the overhead of the MIME headers to encapsulate the MIME block.
There is no resume function in e-mail as, say, with FTP. You have to re-download the entire e-mail message if a message retrieve fails or
gets aborted.

Many e-mail providers limit the maximum size of e-mails, like to 10 MB.
The user attaches a 9MB photo to their e-mail thinking it is under the
10 MB limit. Nope, the encoding to a long text string turns the 9 MB
file into a 12.3 MB e-mail message which exceeds the sending limit.

Because of the bloat, recipients of huge e-mails have to spend more
bandwidth hence more time to retrieve the huge e-mail. E-mail servers
do not operate per connection at the same bandwidth as do FTP servers.

In addition, many e-mail clients are configured to poll POP or IMAP
servers. If an e-mail is huge, its download may not complete in time
for the next mail poll. When the next mail poll occurs, the current
message download gets aborted, and you restart the download of the huge message.

I can use a screwdriver as a hammer, too.


For much larger files than

I'm talking about here (~100K). I need an image put into my computer
for a spreadsheet I send out with an accompanying picture file I do 3
times a week for something.
The odd part of all this is that sometimes it's there, sometimes it
never gets to the inbox. I can still get done what I need to, but it
bothers me as to why it doesn't get there and I simply want to know why.
I don't want to bother others anymore wasting time on this, but I'll
keep experimenting to try and figure out why it happens when it does.
I'm sure it's something odd, and once the reason is found I'll feel
silly I didn't see it in the first place.
Again, thanks for the help folks!

Are you sending the e-mail with attached photo using your e-mail account
to the same e-mail account? I mentioned how Google might filter out
those. The sent folder will have a copy of the sent message, but the
message gets filtered out by the server, so it won't show in the Inbox.

If you are sending the e-mail from account A to account B, there is a
lag in sending e-mails. Some servers batch up their sends. Takes time
to transfer a huge e-mail. Might encounter sending or receiving quota
limits. Also, sometimes e-mail servers will not cooperate. I've hit
several occasions where sending from Hotmail to Gmail, or visa versa,
incurs a very long lag, like hours, or days. Users will complain that
their e-mails are not getting delivered, and they aren't. There's some
problem that causes the two servers not to communicate. Until it get
fixed, you can send e-mails between those 2 servers. A user can only
complain to their e-mail provider about a discontinuance in e-mail
delivery. Complaining to the other end means you aren't their
customers, so they don't about your problems. However, when it involves
large e-mail providers, like Hotmail or Gmail, complaining at one end
usually gets them moving on fixing the problem at both ends. The mail
admins will work together to fix the delivery problem.

When you say the e-mail with attachment doesn't show in the Inbox, how
long are you waiting? Could be immediate (a couple seconds), hours, or
days. E-mail is not a guaranteed nor reliable delivery system regarding
how long to deliver, or even getting the delivery.

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On 10/16/2023 3:24 AM, Chris wrote:

sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

On 10/15/2023 8:58 PM, Your Name wrote:

On 2023-10-16 00:18:37 +0000, sticks said:

I just tried it several different ways.  With attachment, without,
sent from photo gallery, etc.  Everything made it to the computer
right away. Next time this happens I'll go the the message in the sent >>>> mail and check it's headers.

Make sure to give the email a subject line, even though you already know >>> what the email is about. The spam blockers on some email systems
automatically block emails without a subject. Some refuse to send
without a subject as well.

Now that is an interesting idea. I do give it a subject, but it is
usually something like pressing on a single key, or several taps on a
key, nothing important because I immediately go to the computer and
download the attachment.

I will do some testing on this tomorrow, cause I think you might just
have hit on something that makes sense here. Great thinking, even if it
is not the problem!

If this is something you do often, I would recommend using a real file sharing service e.g. dropbox, google drive, icloud, oneDrive.

As you're finding out email is suboptimal for this.

I don't think the small attachments I am sending are any problem at all,
and have nothing to do with these emails not ending up in the inbox. On
large files, I have for years used other methods of getting them were I
needed to and am aware of how to do it. It just isn't the cause of my
current problem.

Alas, I think I am putting this one to bed. "Your Name" hit on what I
believe is the actual problem. Spectrum's spam blocker, attacks it at
their server. This is the reason it shows up in my sent folder, but not
the inbox. It also is not consistently repeatable. I have not been
able to reproduce it for the last several days, using all kinds of
different keystrokes. Not surprising in that spectrum web based mail
can't seem to follow the filters you make on that system, so their
servers are probably to busy to pay attention all the time. Next time
it happens, I will check to see what the offending Subject Title was.

For now, I believe this is all that was happening and appreciate all the
help getting it figured out!

sticks

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sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

On 10/16/2023 3:24 AM, Chris wrote:

sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

On 10/15/2023 8:58 PM, Your Name wrote:

On 2023-10-16 00:18:37 +0000, sticks said:

I just tried it several different ways.  With attachment, without,
sent from photo gallery, etc.  Everything made it to the computer
right away. Next time this happens I'll go the the message in the sent >>>>> mail and check it's headers.

Make sure to give the email a subject line, even though you already know >>>> what the email is about. The spam blockers on some email systems
automatically block emails without a subject. Some refuse to send
without a subject as well.

Now that is an interesting idea. I do give it a subject, but it is
usually something like pressing on a single key, or several taps on a
key, nothing important because I immediately go to the computer and
download the attachment.

I will do some testing on this tomorrow, cause I think you might just
have hit on something that makes sense here. Great thinking, even if it >>> is not the problem!

If this is something you do often, I would recommend using a real file
sharing service e.g. dropbox, google drive, icloud, oneDrive.

As you're finding out email is suboptimal for this.

I don't think the small attachments I am sending are any problem at all,

I didn't say the attachments are causing a problem. I'm saying that email
isn't the most reliable file sharing mechanism.



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On 2023-10-18 13:35, Chris wrote:

sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

On 10/16/2023 3:24 AM, Chris wrote:

sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

On 10/15/2023 8:58 PM, Your Name wrote:

On 2023-10-16 00:18:37 +0000, sticks said:

I just tried it several different ways.  With attachment, without, >>>>>> sent from photo gallery, etc.  Everything made it to the computer >>>>>> right away. Next time this happens I'll go the the message in the sent >>>>>> mail and check it's headers.

Make sure to give the email a subject line, even though you already know >>>>> what the email is about. The spam blockers on some email systems
automatically block emails without a subject. Some refuse to send
without a subject as well.

Now that is an interesting idea. I do give it a subject, but it is
usually something like pressing on a single key, or several taps on a
key, nothing important because I immediately go to the computer and
download the attachment.

I will do some testing on this tomorrow, cause I think you might just
have hit on something that makes sense here. Great thinking, even if it >>>> is not the problem!

If this is something you do often, I would recommend using a real file
sharing service e.g. dropbox, google drive, icloud, oneDrive.

As you're finding out email is suboptimal for this.

I don't think the small attachments I am sending are any problem at all,

I didn't say the attachments are causing a problem. I'm saying that email isn't the most reliable file sharing mechanism.

I've rarely had problems sharing files with e-mail, though it really
isn't a "share" as much as a "copy to" mechanism.

For sharing I usually publish to PDF and dump in Dropbox and send the
link to whoever needs it. That opens well on pretty much anything.

I did have an oddity the other evening. I download very data rich power
usage files from my utility once per week and this past Sunday I did so
while enjoying a fire outside in the evening chill - using my iPhone
rather than my desktop. The file is a .CSV. But I could not open it
on the iPhone w/o it being represented as Japanese (or similar) script.

Forwarded the same file to me via text (or Notes, don't recall). Saved
it on my desktop computer and it processed normally (and could be read
in a text editor).

I'll look into that some time ...

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

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