Apple overtakes Samsung as world's biggest phonemaker
On 17.01.24 15:15, Patrick wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 19:22:03 +1300, Your Name wrote:
Apple overtakes Samsung as world's biggest phonemaker
Huawei is on track to overtake Apple in only a few years.
https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insights/global-smartphone-os-market-share/
Android is the clear leader with a market share of 81% in Q3 2023.
iOS has a market share of 16%.
Showing promising growth, Huawei's HarmonyOS has captured a 3% share.
Android is popular among smartphone brands due to its deep-rooted
experience in software and its open-platform nature.
What did you smoke?
Android 70.2%
IOS 29.1%
Samsung 0.38%
Questions?
https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/184335/umfrage/marktanteil-der-mobilen-betriebssysteme-weltweit-seit-2009/
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 19:22:03 +1300, Your Name wrote:
Apple overtakes Samsung as world's biggest phonemaker
Huawei is on track to overtake Apple in only a few years. https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insights/global-smartphone-os-market-share/
Android is the clear leader with a market share of 81% in Q3 2023.
iOS has a market share of 16%.
Showing promising growth, Huawei's HarmonyOS has captured a 3% share.
Android is popular among smartphone brands due to its deep-rooted
experience in software and its open-platform nature.
Android is the clear leader with a market share of 81% in Q3 2023. iOS
has a market share of 16%. Showing promising growth, Huawei's HarmonyOS
has captured a 3% share.
Android is popular among smartphone brands due to its deep-rooted
experience in software and its open-platform nature.
I think that the big concern of Apple is the trend in OS adoption. iOS reached a high of 22% in Q4 2022 and now has fallen to 16%.
Android went
from 76% to 81%. Harmony went from 2% to 3%, see <https://www.counterpointresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Global-Smartphone-OS-Sales-Share-Q3-2023-3.png>.
I just read that Apple has cut iPhone prices in China and that Huawei's HarmonyOS is expected to take over iOS in market share in China later
this year, see <https://www.counterpointresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/China-Smartphone-OS-Sales-Share-Q3-2023-2.png>
No doubt that Apple would love to stop this from happening. <https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insights/global-smartphone-os-market-share/>.
sms wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:13:07 -0800 :
I think that the big concern of Apple is the trend in OS adoption. iOS
reached a high of 22% in Q4 2022 and now has fallen to 16%.
Agree.
World wide iOS adoption has been steadily decreasing due to lack of the ability of iOS devices to work without the Internet always being available.
The reason is Android doesn't need all those expensive crutches to work.
Apple devices do not *need* the internet to work either. :-\
Try actually using an Apple device before spouting your utter crap.
sms wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:13:07 -0800 :
I think that the big concern of Apple is the trend in OS adoption. iOS
reached a high of 22% in Q4 2022 and now has fallen to 16%.
Agree.
World wide iOS adoption has been steadily decreasing due to lack of the ability of iOS devices to work without the Internet always being available.
The reason is Android doesn't need all those expensive crutches to work.
Total nonsense.
iPhone does not need the internet to work anymore than Android does.
Of course, as portable information devices they are both useless w/o it.
At least map data can be downloaded (on both) so navigation works.
And music.
And video.
And ...
So, this myth of yours dies another death.
Your Name wrote on Thu, 18 Jan 2024 10:31:33 +1300 :
Apple devices do not *need* the internet to work either. :-\
Apples designs the iPhone to require crutches to work in the real world.
(The "real world" here being defined as outside the industrialized world.)
What you didn't understand is the rest of the world doesn't have full-time access to Apple's online servers without which Apple devices fail to work.
Try actually using an Apple device before spouting your utter crap.
I have plenty. The iPhone can't even listen to music anymore without having to buy crutches or to be online full-time - which works OK only in the developed world where full-time Internet access is what Apple banks upon.
Without full-time Internet, the iPhone essentially turns into a lump of
coal, which is why Android is overtaking iPhone sales in leaps & bounds.
Paradoxically, you missed my observation that by forcing iPhones to start working in the real world, the EU is probably going to increase iOS sales.
Funny - I have hundreds of albums on my iPhone that play fine w/o
needing a connection to the internet.
Without full-time Internet, the iPhone essentially turns into a lump of
coal, which is why Android is overtaking iPhone sales in leaps & bounds.
For tiny leaps and short bounds (if at all) - and this would be (as
usual) a cyclical thing.
Paradoxically, you missed my observation that by forcing iPhones to start
working in the real world, the EU is probably going to increase iOS sales.
It's going to increase malware from sideloads, there's that.
Alan Browne wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 16:40:59 -0500 :
Total nonsense.
You missed the point that the reason Android is overtaking iPhone sales in leaps and bounds is because the non-developed world can't afford all the crutches that Apple designed the iPhone to require just to work right.
iPhone does not need the internet to work anymore than Android does.
Wrong.
The iPhone requires an iCloud account just to start working.
Android doesn't require anything.
Of course, as portable information devices they are both useless w/o it.
Wrong.
The iPhone requires an iCloud account just to install apps.
Android doesn't require anything.
At least map data can be downloaded (on both) so navigation works.
This is the only thing you got right, given navigation is about the same other than the iPhone is drastically limited in the number of offline apps.
The iPhone will always have fewer choices for offline apps than Android.
This is one reason the real world (outside the industrial nations) is bying Android like hotcakse - and why Apple's worldwide market share plummeted.
And music.
And video.
And ...
The fact the iPhone requires expensive crutches for music & video is one reason why HarmonyOS is quickly overtaking the plummeting iPhone sales.
So, this myth of yours dies another death.
It's interesting you actually believe in the myth that Android requires the iCloud (or similar) account - when it's only you who believes that myth.
And it's interesting you believe in the myth that Android requires a
specific app store login, when that's another myth that only you believe.
It's only iOS that requires those crutches just to work.
Not Android.
That you're only defense that Apple designed the iPhone to not work well in the developing world (because it needs expensive crutches just to work) is why you don't understand why the iPhone market share is quickly plummeting.
Alan Browne wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 16:50:52 -0500 :
Funny - I have hundreds of albums on my iPhone that play fine w/o
needing a connection to the internet.
How well do they play over those 3.5 mm wired headphones the rest of the world typically uses (outside the extremely rich industrialized nations)?
Without full-time Internet, the iPhone essentially turns into a lump of
coal, which is why Android is overtaking iPhone sales in leaps & bounds.
For tiny leaps and short bounds (if at all) - and this would be (as
usual) a cyclical thing.
It's not reasonable for you to portray plummeting from 22% to 16% as tiny.
Paradoxically, you missed my observation that by forcing iPhones to start >>> working in the real world, the EU is probably going to increase iOS sales. >>It's going to increase malware from sideloads, there's that.
If it's not because iPhones only work well in the developed world, why do /you/ think Apple's worldwide iPhone sales have plummeted from 22% to 16%?
The iPhone requires an iCloud account just to start working.
Android doesn't require anything.
Wrong yourself. A new iPhone out of the box works.
Can do e-mail, messages, surf the web, whatever its installed apps do,
w/o contacting Apple at all.
Of course, as portable information devices they are both useless w/o it.
Wrong.
The iPhone requires an iCloud account just to install apps.
Android doesn't require anything.
True enough - the App DL is curated by Apple - and Apple have
sophisticated tools to detect malware in apps before they get close to
users.
That's a great thing. Damned near essential, alas.
At least map data can be downloaded (on both) so navigation works.
This is the only thing you got right, given navigation is about the same
other than the iPhone is drastically limited in the number of offline apps.
Not at all. Again you fail.
Many, many apps connect to non Apple servers to be used and one does
not need to be logged in to Apple to use those apps.
The iPhone will always have fewer choices for offline apps than Android.
This is one reason the real world (outside the industrial nations) is bying >> Android like hotcakse - and why Apple's worldwide market share plummeted.
They have not "plummeted".
It's cyclical - and Apple (and others) are still bummed over the Covid cycle.
Since smartphones (Apple, Android) do not really improve much year to
year, people are keeping them longer and longer and longer. And of
course the Chinese government is urging Chinese buyers towards Chinese brands. That of course will bite into Apple's sales.
The fact the iPhone requires expensive crutches for music & video is one
reason why HarmonyOS is quickly overtaking the plummeting iPhone sales.
Apple requires no crutches of any kind to play music and video.
None.
So, this myth of yours dies another death.
It's interesting you actually believe in the myth that Android requires the >> iCloud (or similar) account - when it's only you who believes that myth.
I never said that. At all. You off your meds? (Again?).
And it's interesting you believe in the myth that Android requires a
specific app store login, when that's another myth that only you believe.
I never said that. At all. You off your meds? (Again?).
It's only iOS that requires those crutches just to work.
Not Android.
Not at all true. You're just myth making. Again.
That you're only defense that Apple designed the iPhone to not work well in >> the developing world (because it needs expensive crutches just to work) is >> why you don't understand why the iPhone market share is quickly plummeting.
If "developing" world is your last refuge, well, I do hope you're
vaccinated against the many parasitical, viral and bacterial hazards ....
An iPhone doesn't work until you establish a series of Apple accounts.
It can't even be "initialized" without creating those Apple accounts.
An iPhone doesn't work until you establish a series of Apple accounts.
It can't even be "initialized" without creating those Apple accounts.
I don't know about that. I have an old iPhone which has a payg sim in
it. It is not connected to any Apple accounts. It works.
On 18/01/2024 at 08:59, Andrew wrote:
An iPhone doesn't work until you establish a series of Apple accounts.
It can't even be "initialized" without creating those Apple accounts.
I don't know about that. I have an old iPhone which has a payg sim in
it. It is not connected to any Apple accounts. It works.
It has been told
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:21:59 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:
It has been told
What grade are you Apple nutjobs in?
On 2024-01-18 09:05, Bill Powell wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:21:59 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:
It has been told
What grade are you Apple nutjobs in?
Not sure who you're referring to, however I was referring to the troll
that incessantly repeats the same lies, myths and nonsense despite
repeatedly being shown the facts. It is a thing that cannot or will not learn. It is an it. It's only talents are to change its name from time
to time to duck filters and to repeat the same nonsense.
On 18/01/2024 at 08:59, Andrew wrote:
An iPhone doesn't work until you establish a series of Apple
accounts. It can't even be "initialized" without creating those
Apple accounts.
I don't know about that. I have an old iPhone which has a payg sim in
it. It is not connected to any Apple accounts. It works.
On 18/01/2024 at 08:59, Andrew wrote:
An iPhone doesn't work until you establish a series of Apple accounts.
It can't even be "initialized" without creating those Apple accounts.
I don't know about that. I have an old iPhone which has a payg sim in
it. It is not connected to any Apple accounts. It works.
On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:21:59 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:
It has been told
What grade are you Apple nutjobs in?
Alan Browne wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 19:26:27 -0500 :
The iPhone requires an iCloud account just to start working.
Android doesn't require anything.
Wrong yourself. A new iPhone out of the box works.
No. You're wrong. A new iPhone does /NOT/ work out of the box.
Not if you don't jailbreak it anyway.
No. You're wrong. A new iPhone does /NOT/ work out of the box.
Not if you don't jailbreak it anyway.
Simply incorrect.
Alan wrote on Fri, 19 Jan 2024 13:56:05 -0800 :
No. You're wrong. A new iPhone does /NOT/ work out of the box.
Not if you don't jailbreak it anyway.
Simply incorrect.
How are you going to add apps that you want to use without logging in? https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7138048?sortBy=best
"Kind of defeats the point of having an iPhone"
And how are you going to get the walled-garden Apple Music, FaceTime,
iCloud & Messages to work with those very reassuring green bubbles? https://support.apple.com/en-ca/105087
The Apple users care more about blue bubbles than almost anything else. https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-teens-dread-the-green-text-bubble-11641618009
The walled garden is exposed for what it is if you don't log into it. https://mobiletrans.wondershare.com/iphone-tips/can-i-use-iphone-without-apple-id.html
On 2024-01-20 15:32, Andrew wrote:
The Apple users care more about blue bubbles than almost anything
else.
Your perception of what Apple users "care more about" is in no way
relevant or important.
On 1/18/2024 1:59 AM, Wilf wrote:
On 18/01/2024 at 08:59, Andrew wrote:
An iPhone doesn't work until you establish a series of Apple accounts.
It can't even be "initialized" without creating those Apple accounts.
I don't know about that. I have an old iPhone which has a payg sim in
it. It is not connected to any Apple accounts. It works.
You're correct of course. I suspect that "Andrew" has never used an iPhone.
sms wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:13:07 -0800 :
I think that the big concern of Apple is the trend in OS adoption. iOS
reached a high of 22% in Q4 2022 and now has fallen to 16%.
Agree.
World wide iOS adoption has been steadily decreasing due to lack of the ability of iOS devices to work without the Internet always being available.
Alan wrote on Fri, 19 Jan 2024 13:56:05 -0800 :
No. You're wrong. A new iPhone does /NOT/ work out of the box.
Not if you don't jailbreak it anyway.
Simply incorrect.
How are you going to add apps that you want to use without logging in? https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7138048?sortBy=best
"Kind of defeats the point of having an iPhone"
And how are you going to get the walled-garden Apple Music, FaceTime,
iCloud & Messages to work with those very reassuring green bubbles? https://support.apple.com/en-ca/105087
The Apple users care more about blue bubbles than almost anything else. https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-teens-dread-the-green-text-bubble-11641618009
The walled garden is exposed for what it is if you don't log into it. https://mobiletrans.wondershare.com/iphone-tips/can-i-use-iphone-without-apple-id.html
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