On 2024-03-29 11:52, badgolferman wrote:

Jan K. wrote:

https://9to5mac.com/2024/03/29/iphone-16-pro-polished-titanium-report/

"Apple has developed a new finish for the titanium frame of the
iPhone 16 Pro models, with the brushed look of the iPhone 15 Pro
replaced by a more polished material."

Please explain to me why this is a big deal and how does it lead to a
better experience for the user.

Please explain where you saw anyone claiming it was a big deal?

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badgolferman wrote:

Alan wrote:

On 2024-03-29 11:52, badgolferman wrote:

Jan K. wrote:

https://9to5mac.com/2024/03/29/iphone-16-pro-polished-titanium-report/ >>>>
"Apple has developed a new finish for the titanium frame of the
iPhone 16 Pro models, with the brushed look of the iPhone 15 Pro
replaced by a more polished material."

Please explain to me why this is a big deal and how does it lead to
a better experience for the user.

Please explain where you saw anyone claiming it was a big deal?

Is this the kind of innovation Apple provides its customers for a
better user experience that you were telling me about?

Hell, I'm still waiting for a real classy velvet elvis model, maybe with
some gold plated accessories.

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On 3/29/24 2:52 PM, badgolferman wrote:

Jan K. wrote:

https://9to5mac.com/2024/03/29/iphone-16-pro-polished-titanium-report/

"Apple has developed a new finish for the titanium frame of the
iPhone 16 Pro models, with the brushed look of the iPhone 15 Pro
replaced by a more polished material."

Please explain to me why this is a big deal and how does it lead to a
better experience for the user.

I'm hoping the post was satirical-- iPhones being fully mature products
with little if any room for New Model, Buy One Now hysteria...

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On 2024-03-29 18:52:46 +0000, badgolferman said:

Jan K. wrote:

https://9to5mac.com/2024/03/29/iphone-16-pro-polished-titanium-report/

"Apple has developed a new finish for the titanium frame of the
iPhone 16 Pro models, with the brushed look of the iPhone 15 Pro
replaced by a more polished material."

Please explain to me why this is a big deal and how does it lead to a
better experience for the user.

It doesn't ... but Samsung and co. will still be copying it in four
months time, after jeering Apple for doing it. :-p

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badgolferman wrote:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

badgolferman wrote:

Alan wrote:

On 2024-03-29 11:52, badgolferman wrote:

Jan K. wrote:

https://9to5mac.com/2024/03/29/iphone-16-pro-polished-titanium-report/ >>>>>>
"Apple has developed a new finish for the titanium frame of the
iPhone 16 Pro models, with the brushed look of the iPhone 15 Pro
replaced by a more polished material."

Please explain to me why this is a big deal and how does it lead to
a better experience for the user.

Please explain where you saw anyone claiming it was a big deal?

Is this the kind of innovation Apple provides its customers for a
better user experience that you were telling me about?

Hell, I'm still waiting for a real classy velvet elvis model, maybe with
some gold plated accessories.

Surely you can find a case just like that at Walmart.

I saw some really snazzy ones at the dollar store, but didn't buy because
they aren't genuine apple brand.

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On 2024-03-29, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Alan wrote:

On 2024-03-29 11:52, badgolferman wrote:

Jan K. wrote:

https://9to5mac.com/2024/03/29/iphone-16-pro-polished-titanium-report/ >>>>
"Apple has developed a new finish for the titanium frame of the
iPhone 16 Pro models, with the brushed look of the iPhone 15 Pro
replaced by a more polished material."

Please explain to me why this is a big deal and how does it lead to
a better experience for the user.

Please explain where you saw anyone claiming it was a big deal?

Is this the kind of innovation

badgolferman's MO:
1. Make a bogus claim: it's "a big deal".
2. When someone challenges that claim, deflect and move the goalpost.
3. Lather, rinse, repeat.

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badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Your Name wrote:

On 2024-03-29 18:52:46 +0000, badgolferman said:

Jan K. wrote:

https://9to5mac.com/2024/03/29/iphone-16-pro-polished-titanium-report/ >>>>
"Apple has developed a new finish for the titanium frame of the
iPhone 16 Pro models, with the brushed look of the iPhone 15 Pro
replaced by a more polished material."

Please explain to me why this is a big deal and how does it lead to
a better experience for the user.

It doesn't ... but Samsung and co. will still be copying it in four
months time, after jeering Apple for doing it. :-p

Regardless of whether Samsung copies them, Apple has trillions of
dollars to use for innovation and creating new useful products. When
it comes to the iPhone the only things they've shown lately are
different colors or different skeletal materials. Oh, and the dynamic
window which turned out to be a dud. Occasionally they come out with
an updated camera. Why bother coming out with a new model every year
if there's nothing new to sell? The only thing I can think of is they
know the Apple sheep will stand in line for days waiting to be the
first to buy a yellow iPhone.

Because that drives the sales. Marketing 101.

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On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:49:00 -0000 (UTC), Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid>
wrote

Please explain to me why this is a big deal and how does it lead to
a better experience for the user.

It doesn't ... but Samsung and co. will still be copying it in four
months time, after jeering Apple for doing it. :-p

Regardless of whether Samsung copies them, Apple has trillions of
dollars to use for innovation and creating new useful products. When
it comes to the iPhone the only things they've shown lately are
different colors or different skeletal materials. Oh, and the dynamic
window which turned out to be a dud. Occasionally they come out with
an updated camera. Why bother coming out with a new model every year
if there's nothing new to sell? The only thing I can think of is they
know the Apple sheep will stand in line for days waiting to be the
first to buy a yellow iPhone.

Because that drives the sales. Marketing 101.

If you assume Apple knows exactly what most of its customers want, and if
you look at Apple's advertisements for silly colors & worthless trim...

What does that say to you about what Apple thinks about its customer base?

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On 2024-03-30, Oliver <ollie@invalid.net> wrote:

On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:49:00 -0000 (UTC), Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid>
wrote

Please explain to me why this is a big deal and how does it lead to
a better experience for the user.

It doesn't ... but Samsung and co. will still be copying it in four
months time, after jeering Apple for doing it. :-p

Regardless of whether Samsung copies them, Apple has trillions of
dollars to use for innovation and creating new useful products. When
it comes to the iPhone the only things they've shown lately are
different colors or different skeletal materials. Oh, and the dynamic
window which turned out to be a dud. Occasionally they come out with
an updated camera. Why bother coming out with a new model every year
if there's nothing new to sell? The only thing I can think of is they
know the Apple sheep will stand in line for days waiting to be the
first to buy a yellow iPhone.

Because that drives the sales. Marketing 101.

If you assume Apple knows exactly what most of its customers want, and if
you look at Apple's advertisements for silly colors & worthless trim...

What does that say to you about what Apple thinks about its customer base?

You tell us, Arlen. We know you're just frothing at the mouth for a
chance to sling your schoolyard insults.

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On 2024-03-30, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Your Name wrote:

On 2024-03-29 18:52:46 +0000, badgolferman said:

Jan K. wrote:

https://9to5mac.com/2024/03/29/iphone-16-pro-polished-titanium-report/

"Apple has developed a new finish for the titanium frame of the
iPhone 16 Pro models, with the brushed look of the iPhone 15 Pro >>>>replaced by a more polished material."

Please explain to me why this is a big deal and how does it lead to a >>>better experience for the user.

It doesn't ... but Samsung and co. will still be copying it in four
months time, after jeering Apple for doing it. :-p

Regardless of whether Samsung copies them, Apple has trillions of
dollars to use for innovation and creating new useful products. When
it comes to the iPhone the only things they've shown lately are
different colors or different skeletal materials. Oh, and the dynamic
window which turned out to be a dud. Occasionally they come out with
an updated camera.

What golfer boy is telling everyone is he only cares about looks,
and wants to pretend all of the other innovations in iPhones don't
exist. Things like LiDAR, improved camera systems, and other things are supposedly unimportant and to be ignored because: troll.

Why bother coming out with a new model every year if there's nothing
new to sell?

Golfer boy here thinks people who buy a new iPhone in any given year
don't want incremental improvements and would be just as happy buying
last year's model. Golfer boy wants everyone to know he doesn't
understand the market at all.

The only thing I can think of is they know the Apple sheep will stand
in line for days waiting to be the first to buy a yellow iPhone.

What Golfer boy is saying here is that he and Arlen are *literally*
*obsessed* with the fact that Apple "dared" to release a yellow-colored
iPhone variant over a year ago. They got so triggered about it they
trolled here for weeks pretty much non-stop about it, and any chance
they have of mentioning it they do - even over a year later. Imagine
being *that* obsessed over such a trivial thing! Pathetic.

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On 2024-03-30 12:17, Jolly Roger wrote:

What Golfer boy is saying here is that he and Arlen are *literally* *obsessed* with the fact that Apple "dared" to release a yellow-colored iPhone variant over a year ago. They got so triggered about it they
trolled here for weeks pretty much non-stop about it, and any chance
they have of mentioning it they do - even over a year later. Imagine
being *that* obsessed over such a trivial thing! Pathetic.

Oh JR, you sweet spring child.

The Bene Gesserit planted this obsession in their minds to keep them
from more destructive thoughts and obsessions.

Yellow iPhones are a blessing to us all. 😇

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On 2024-03-30, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

On 2024-03-30 12:17, Jolly Roger wrote:

What Golfer boy is saying here is that he and Arlen are *literally*
*obsessed* with the fact that Apple "dared" to release a
yellow-colored iPhone variant over a year ago. They got so triggered
about it they trolled here for weeks pretty much non-stop about it,
and any chance they have of mentioning it they do - even over a year
later. Imagine being *that* obsessed over such a trivial thing!
Pathetic.

Oh JR, you sweet spring child.

The Bene Gesserit planted this obsession in their minds to keep them
from more destructive thoughts and obsessions.

Yellow iPhones are a blessing to us all. 😇

Point taken. 🤣

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Jolly Roger wrote:

Yellow iPhones are a blessing to us all.

Point taken.

If Apple didn't miserably fail at everything from modem to unpatchable chip design flaws, then maybe Apple could advertise "innovation" instead wasting advertising dollars touting ugly yellow phones & brushed metallic outsides.

As it stands, there hasn't been any innovation in the iPhone in years.
Which is exactly why Apple makes such a big deal about colors and frames.

It's all Apple has that's new that their customers still care about.

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On 2024-03-30 13:49:00 +0000, Cameo said:

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Your Name wrote:

On 2024-03-29 18:52:46 +0000, badgolferman said:

Jan K. wrote:

https://9to5mac.com/2024/03/29/iphone-16-pro-polished-titanium-report/ >>>>>
"Apple has developed a new finish for the titanium frame of the
iPhone 16 Pro models, with the brushed look of the iPhone 15 Pro
replaced by a more polished material."

Please explain to me why this is a big deal and how does it lead to
a better experience for the user.

It doesn't ... but Samsung and co. will still be copying it in four
months time, after jeering Apple for doing it. :-p

Regardless of whether Samsung copies them, Apple has trillions of
dollars to use for innovation and creating new useful products. When
it comes to the iPhone the only things they've shown lately are
different colors or different skeletal materials. Oh, and the dynamic
window which turned out to be a dud. Occasionally they come out with
an updated camera. Why bother coming out with a new model every year
if there's nothing new to sell? The only thing I can think of is they
know the Apple sheep will stand in line for days waiting to be the
first to buy a yellow iPhone.

Because that drives the sales. Marketing 101.

Yep. If people are stupid enough to keep buying a new model when their
old one still works perfectly well, then big business companies will
continue to make new models.

The reality is that the mobile phone reach the end of real innovation
long ago, pretty much with the release of the original iPhone.
Everything since then has just been tweaks - some good, some bad, and
some ridiculous.

Samsung and other companies have made foldable phones, but they don't
sell that well. Apple is rumouredly looking at a foldable iPhone
oand/or iPad, but so far is reportedly unhappy with the results (the
crease down the display's middle, for example) and is working to
improve them. At some point Apple may actually release a foldable
iPhone, and like most of what they do it will be made properly, work,
and show all their "competitors" how it should have been done ... and
then all those "competitors" will simply lazily copy Apple's work.

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On 2024-03-30 15:29:13 +0000, Oliver said:

On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:49:00 -0000 (UTC), Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid>
wrote

Please explain to me why this is a big deal and how does it lead to
a better experience for the user.

It doesn't ... but Samsung and co. will still be copying it in four
months time, after jeering Apple for doing it. :-p

Regardless of whether Samsung copies them, Apple has trillions of
dollars to use for innovation and creating new useful products. When
it comes to the iPhone the only things they've shown lately are
different colors or different skeletal materials. Oh, and the dynamic
window which turned out to be a dud. Occasionally they come out with
an updated camera. Why bother coming out with a new model every year
if there's nothing new to sell? The only thing I can think of is they
know the Apple sheep will stand in line for days waiting to be the
first to buy a yellow iPhone.

Because that drives the sales. Marketing 101.

If you assume Apple knows exactly what most of its customers want, and if
you look at Apple's advertisements for silly colors & worthless trim...

What does that say to you about what Apple thinks about its customer base?

Samsung, Google, Microsoft, Ford, Toyota, etc., etc. are no different.
It's how big business works and has done for at least the last couple
of centuries - pretty much since the Industrial Revolution and
production lines made it easier to make stuff.

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On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 10:57:49 +1300, Your Name wrote:

At some point Apple may actually release a foldable
iPhone, and like most of what they do it will be made properly, work,
and show all their "competitors" how it should have been done

You have a lot of faith in a company that can't even make a simple modem.

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Oscar Mayer wrote:

On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 10:57:49 +1300, Your Name wrote:

At some point Apple may actually release a foldable iPhone, and like most
of what they do it will be made properly, work, and show all their
"competitors" how it should have been done

You have a lot of faith in a company that can't even make a simple modem.

If they fail, it will certainly be somebody Else's fault.

Poor apple. Always picked on.

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On 2024-03-31 00:11:58 +0000, Oscar Mayer said:

On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 10:57:49 +1300, Your Name wrote:

At some point Apple may actually release a foldable iPhone, and like
most of what they do it will be made properly, work, and show all their
"competitors" how it should have been done

You have a lot of faith in a company that can't even make a simple modem.

Apple has done it numerous times in the past with a wide variety of
products ... which every other company then rushes to imitate, usually
very badly.

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On 2024-03-31 00:30:18 +0000, Hank Rogers said:

Oscar Mayer wrote:

On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 10:57:49 +1300, Your Name wrote:

At some point Apple may actually release a foldable iPhone, and like
most of what they do it will be made properly, work, and show all their
"competitors" how it should have been done

You have a lot of faith in a company that can't even make a simple modem.

If they fail, it will certainly be somebody Else's fault.

Poor apple. Always picked on.

Like any big company, some of Apple product ideas certainly have failed
in the past.

- The Apple III
- The Pippin games console (in partnership with Bandai).
- The Newton (although mainly the idea was ahead of it's time
and returned later as the iPod Touch / iPhone)
- The 20th Anniversary Mac (simply too expensive, but returned
later as the iMac).
- The "trashcan" Mac Pro
- The Touch Bar on laptops
- The Apple Silicon Mac Pro is likely another one (there's
almost no upgradability, making it not a "Pro" in anything
but name)
etc.

Some have failed before they were even released - the Apple Car being
the most obvious example.

Some good Apple products were also cancelled. The 27in iMac was fairly
popular, but Apple axed it. Rumours of a 30in or 32in iMac are looking
less and less likely to become true. The iPod Touch was a great little electronic notebook for those who didn't need phone features, but again
Apple axed it.

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Your Name wrote:

On 2024-03-31 00:11:58 +0000, Oscar Mayer said:

On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 10:57:49 +1300, Your Name wrote:

At some point Apple may actually release a foldable iPhone, and like
most of what they do it will be made properly, work, and show all their
"competitors" how it should have been done

You have a lot of faith in a company that can't even make a simple modem.

Apple has done it numerous times in the past with a wide variety of
products ... which every other company then rushes to imitate, usually very badly.

Poor apple. Other companies steal all their best shit.

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On 2024-03-31 01:48:07 +0000, Hank Rogers said:

Your Name wrote:

On 2024-03-31 00:11:58 +0000, Oscar Mayer said:

On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 10:57:49 +1300, Your Name wrote:

At some point Apple may actually release a foldable iPhone, and like
most of what they do it will be made properly, work, and show all their >>>> "competitors" how it should have been done

You have a lot of faith in a company that can't even make a simple modem. >>

Apple has done it numerous times in the past with a wide variety of
products ... which every other company then rushes to imitate, usually
very badly.

Poor apple. Other companies steal all their best shit.

They try to, but usually they do it so badly that the rip-off versions disappear again relatively quickly. Those that do continue to be sold
are usually inferior or at least not as popular as Apple's products.

For example, Microsoft's Zune, which was a rip-off of the Apple iPod.
The Zune was on sale from November 2006 until June 2012, while the
iPod, in various forms, went from November 2001 until May 2022.

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On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 15:35:28 +1300, Your Name wrote:

At some point Apple may actually release a foldable iPhone, and like >>>>> most of what they do it will be made properly, work, and show all their >>>>> "competitors" how it should have been done

You have a lot of faith in a company that can't even make a simple modem. >>>

Apple has done it numerous times in the past with a wide variety of
products ... which every other company then rushes to imitate, usually
very badly.

Poor apple. Other companies steal all their best shit.

They try to, but usually they do it so badly that the rip-off versions disappear again relatively quickly. Those that do continue to be sold
are usually inferior or at least not as popular as Apple's products.

Good thing Qualcomm didn't try to "rip off" Apple's failed attempt at GPUs. https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-iphone-15-missing-chip-the-company-spent-billions-on-2023-9

As with Apple's failed modem design attempts, Apple failed miserably at 5G.

Apple only advertises that they can design chips, but industry insiders
call Apple's spectacular boasts "craptacular" - because Apple always fails. https://daringfireball.net/2023/09/craptacular_is_more_like_it

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On 2024-03-31 00:05, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:

call Apple's spectacular boasts "craptacular" - because Apple always fails.

If Apple "always fails" it seems to be making an awful lot of money
doing it.

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On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 08:39:22 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:

call Apple's spectacular boasts "craptacular" - because Apple always fails.

If Apple "always fails" it seems to be making an awful lot of money
doing it.

People who think like you do about Apple are the exact same people who say
that Elon Musk & Donald Trump are making an awful lot of money too - so everything they do must be right - otherwise they wouldn't be so wealthy.

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On 2024-03-31 11:26, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:

On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 08:39:22 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:

call Apple's spectacular boasts "craptacular" - because Apple always fails. >> If Apple "always fails" it seems to be making an awful lot of money

doing it.

People who think like you do about Apple are the exact same people who say that Elon Musk & Donald Trump are making an awful lot of money too - so everything they do must be right - otherwise they wouldn't be so wealthy.

I lobbed you an easy one and that's the best you can do? Pro tip: don't
assume anything about how or what I think. To be clear I am one who
points out problems with Apple products as have them pop up. They're
not perfect. But they are certainly amongst the best of the very best.

As to the other cast you're attemptiong, go back to Troll Remedial Class.

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nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”
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On 3/29/2024 10:25 AM, Jan K. wrote:

https://9to5mac.com/2024/03/29/iphone-16-pro-polished-titanium-report/

"Apple has developed a new finish for the titanium frame of the iPhone 16
Pro models, with the brushed look of the iPhone 15 Pro replaced by a more polished material."

Wow. If only nospam were still here to expound on how big of an
innovation this is!

What will be interesting to see is whether or not the iPhone 16 improves
the thermal solution.

--
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really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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sms wrote:

What would be _really_ nice is if they copied some of the Android OS features, starting with 1) multiple user accounts, 2) individual volume settings, and 3) allowing apps that spoof the GPS location. These are
three features that I use often on my Android devices.

Android 15 updated the volume control settings. https://www.androidpolice.com/android-15-dp2-volume-panel-changes/

Of course, there have been some minor changes to the volume sliders since Android 12, such as the separation of the Ring and Notification volume
sliders with Android 14. But as Mishaal Rahman reports for Android
Authority, Android 15 DP2 introduces a redesigned set of sliders with some
new functionality to go along with it.

Android 15 could revamp the volume panel and make it collapsible
The redesigned volume panel may also bring more controls to the forefront https://www.androidauthority.com/android-15-volume-panel-3429806/

Android's volume panel lets you change the media, call, ringer,
notification, and alarm volume.

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On 3/30/2024 6:17 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

Regardless of whether Samsung copies them, Apple has trillions of
dollars to use for innovation and creating new useful products. When
it comes to the iPhone the only things they've shown lately are
different colors or different skeletal materials. Oh, and the dynamic
window which turned out to be a dud. Occasionally they come out with
an updated camera. Why bother coming out with a new model every year
if there's nothing new to sell? The only thing I can think of is they
know the Apple sheep will stand in line for days waiting to be the
first to buy a yellow iPhone.

The days of people standing in line for the latest iPhone, for days, are
long past.

Not sure what new hardware features you expect on a pretty mature
product. They have copied Android phone manufacturers for years,
generally being a year or two years behind with new features, and people willingly wait for those Android features to appear on the iPhone, few
iPhone users switch to Android in order to get those features sooner.

Nor are they likely to bring back the useful features that they removed
like the headphone jack, Ring/Silent switch, ambient noise cancellation, fingerprint reader, or the physical SIM card slot (on U.S. models). It's
rare, though not unheard of, that Apple brings back decontented features
(they did bring back some I/O ports on Macbooks, see <https://www.wired.com/story/apple-macbook-ports-rave/>, once Jony Ive
left Apple).

Apple is what is known in marketing parlance as a “fast follower.” The iPhone was late with 3G (though it came out sooner than the first
Android 3G device, 4G, 5G, NFC, IP68, OLED screens, multi-lens cameras, phablets, wireless charging, 120Hz LTPO displays, reverse wireless
charging (except for the MagSafe battery pack), hole punch cameras,
USB-C, folding displays, active styluses, under-screen fingerprint
readers, and eSIMs (these all came late or are all likely coming on
future iPhones).

Even when the technology is ready, Apple tends to carefully meter out
the inclusion of new features in order to create continuous demand for upgrades. The iPhone 15 finally has USB-C, but still lacks full reverse wireless charging, and an under-screen fingerprint reader.

What would be _really_ nice is if they copied some of the Android OS
features, starting with 1) multiple user accounts, 2) individual volume settings, and 3) allowing apps that spoof the GPS location. These are
three features that I use often on my Android devices.

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On 3/30/2024 8:29 AM, Oliver wrote:

<snip>

If you assume Apple knows exactly what most of its customers want, and if
you look at Apple's advertisements for silly colors & worthless trim...

What does that say to you about what Apple thinks about its customer base?

It's a high-cost, consumer, designer product. Just as cars come in
different colors, clothes come in different colors, paint comes in
different colors, phones come in different colors. It's what consumers
want. There are a few Android phone manufacturers that also build
different color phones.

I usually choose black. Since I'm going to put a case on it anyway, and
the back will not be visible, there's no reason for me to choose some
other color. YMMV.

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On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 01:11:55 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote

What would be _really_ nice is if they copied some of the Android OS
features, starting with 1) multiple user accounts, 2) individual volume
settings, and 3) allowing apps that spoof the GPS location. These are
three features that I use often on my Android devices.

But Your Name tells me Android always copies iOS! Which of you is correct?

In addition to what was already stated that iOS can't do that every other platform (except iOS) easily does without jailbreaking/rooting, namely...
i. Multiple user accounts
ii. Individual volume settings
iii. Mock Location GPS spoofing

I wish iOS would copy the following "nice things" from (non-root) Android.

1. Ability for all users to install apps from any location (as EU mandated)
2. Ability to allow/deny Wi-Fi/Cellular-Data access on an app by app basis
3. Ability to organize your homescreen any way the user wants to do it
4. Ability to run a firewall that allows any HOSTS file the user desires
5. Ability to record phone calls automatically (if the user so desires)
6. Ability to display all received cellular & Wi-Fi signal strength graphs
7. Ability for webkit to allow the privacy that all other platforms have
8. Ability to extract the app installer IPA at any time off the device
9. Ability to delete any app (even system apps!) off the user partition
10. Ability to use the device without needing to establish an Apple ID

Furthermore, I wish iOS would copy Android's end-to-end encryption when its users communicate with Android users (which is the subject of the recent
DOJ suit showing Apple doesn't even care about its own users' privacy).

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On 3/31/2024 6:11 PM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

But Your Name tells me Android always copies iOS! Which of you is correct?

LOL, I didn't know that since I have him filtered out.

There had been times when Android manufacturers have copied a feature on
the iPhone, but it happens a lot less now, if at all. I wish there were
Android devices with a Ring/Silent switch like the iPhone used to have,
but Android manufacturers never copied that and Apple eventually
decontented it to save money.

And to be fair, while Apple often is late with a useful new feature,
that is already on Android, they had already planned to include it but
they tend to meter out new features to create ongoing demand for new
models. It would make no sense to put all the new features, at once,
into a new model, when they can add them one or two at a time so that
there is a reason to upgrade. Almost no iPhone users are going to switch
to Android to get a new useful feature, they'll just wait until the
iPhone offers it.

Android manufacturers don't have the luxury of slowly metering out new
features because they are competing so intensely against each other.

A lot of the useful Android features that are missing on iPhone are
conscious decisions by Apple to not include the feature in iOS. The
fanbois will insist that "no one needs that feature," without
understanding the usefulness of it.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 11:29:53 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote

There had been times when Android manufacturers have copied a feature on
the iPhone, but it happens a lot less now, if at all.

Android did copy the original user interface that Steve Jobs designed.

But then Android improved the homescreen app launchers while Apple kept the homescreen capability the same for 15 years without improvements, where
only recently is Apple copying some of Android's homescreen capabilities.

I wish there were
Android devices with a Ring/Silent switch like the iPhone used to have,
but Android manufacturers never copied that and Apple eventually
decontented it to save money.

Android also copied Apple's privacy feature of forcing companies by default
to ask for permissions and by displaying permissions with the green dot.

I wish iOS would copy the Android capability of repopulating another phone EXACTLY like the original phone - down to the EXACT location of all the
folders and icon placement within those folders - and down to the EXACT
SAME versions and subversions of the apps that the app icons pointed to.

Even Windows & Linux can't do that. Only Android does that.

And to be fair, while Apple often is late with a useful new feature,
that is already on Android, they had already planned to include it but
they tend to meter out new features to create ongoing demand for new
models.

Maybe that's why iOS only recently got only one thing from Android's
excellent homescreen launcher capabilities (the icon layout).

Unfortunately, iOS still can't change the name of default icons, nor can it have the same icon in two or more logical places, nor can users delete
system apps (or re-install any deleted app) like they can do with Android.

That's one of the best hidden features of Android, which is that the
installer is ALWAYS saved on Android - it's never deleted - so you can
always re-populate any other phone with the exact same apps & versions!

These APK backup and restore apps aren't even needed since all they do
is COPY the always-saved APK that every Android phone saves natively. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.infolife.appbackup

But the backup-and-restore apps make it easier for the user because by
default, the Android copy of every APK is named "base.apk" for every app.

With iOS, you can't "extract" the IPA after the fact like you can with
Android, so with iOS, you're stuck if the version you want is no longer in
the Apple App Store - and even worse - with Apple - you have to have the
same AppleID in order to re-install an app.

With Android, a free app doesn't care what your Android ID is (as you don't even need an Android ID as Google doesn't track every app like Apple does).

It would make no sense to put all the new features, at once,
into a new model, when they can add them one or two at a time so that
there is a reason to upgrade. Almost no iPhone users are going to switch
to Android to get a new useful feature, they'll just wait until the
iPhone offers it.

Everyone agrees with you that it's a completely different kind of person
who wants an iPhone, where that person will never like Android because it doesn't restrict them (so they don't feel safe with Android's power).

Likewise, nobody who is used to Android's power to do whatever you want to
do is going to like being restricted by iOS where you can't even get the privacy of the Tor Browser because WebKit won't allow that kind of privacy.

Android manufacturers don't have the luxury of slowly metering out new features because they are competing so intensely against each other.

Plus the developers add whatever they feel users want in Android, unlike
iOS where Apple decides what the users will get - not the developers.

A lot of the useful Android features that are missing on iPhone are
conscious decisions by Apple to not include the feature in iOS.

Agree with you that Android developers add things Apple and even Google
won't allow (but Google can't stop people from installing apps that Google doesn't like - such as FOSS replacement clients for every Google app).

There's a FOSS Ungoogled Chrome replacement client, for example.
And a FOSS Google YouTube replacement client that is way better.
And a FOSS Google GMail replacement client that gives the user privacy.
And a FOSS Google App Store client that gives the user privacy.

About the only default native Google app that doesn't have a far better
(always more private & more functional) FOSS replacement client is GV.

The fanbois will insist that "no one needs that feature," without understanding the usefulness of it.

Some of the user centric features Android developers provided that aren't
on iOS because Apple prohibits the user from having these capabilities are

1. Multiple user and/or work accounts (or no account at all on the phone!)
2. Individual volume settings
3. Mock Location GPS spoofing
4. Install apps from anywhere
5. System-wide (non-root) firewalls (with HOSTS file ad blocking features)
6. Organize the homescreen by changing any icon name or any number of them
7. Remove any app from the user partition (without needing to be rooted)
8. Automatic phone call recording
9. Debugging of all the nearby Wi-Fi signals (even if not connected)
10. Graphical debugging of current-SIM cellular signals & antennas & freqs
11. Webkit won't allow installation of the Tor Privacy Browser
12. Webkit won't allow installation of the ungoogled Chromium browsers
13. Repopulate another device (or the same after a factory reset)
(where the exact app subversion is re-installed in every case!)
(and where the exact location of every app icon is reproduced exactly!)
14. Delete any unwanted app (even system apps!) from the user partition
15. Use SMS/MMS/RCS messaging without having to make a Google ID
16. Install from the Google Play Store repo without needing a Google ID
17. Subscribe to YouTube channels without needing a Google ID
18. Block any app's access to Wi-Fi (forcing it to only use cellular data)
19. Block any app's access to cellular data (forcing it to only use Wi-Fi)
20. Replace every Google native app with a FOSS privacy aware client
22. FOSS app search engine that searches & filters the Google Play Store
23. Edit a file (for example a text or PDF file) using any editor you want
24. Communicate E2E with RCS

That's just the first two dozen of many features & capabilities that
Android users enjoy that are impossible to do on any Apple iPhone because
Apple won't let iOS developers give their users these useful capabilities.

Someone should document all these Android capabilities that aren't on iOS
so they don't have to always be pulled out of our memory as dozens more are
on Android but which are completely missing on iOS because Apple won't let developers provide these capabilities to their users.

What is Apple so afraid of anyway?

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On 2024-03-29 13:32, badgolferman wrote:

Alan wrote:

On 2024-03-29 11:52, badgolferman wrote:

Jan K. wrote:

https://9to5mac.com/2024/03/29/iphone-16-pro-polished-titanium-report/ >>>>
"Apple has developed a new finish for the titanium frame of the
iPhone 16 Pro models, with the brushed look of the iPhone 15 Pro
replaced by a more polished material."

Please explain to me why this is a big deal and how does it lead to
a better experience for the user.

Please explain where you saw anyone claiming it was a big deal?

Is this the kind of innovation Apple provides its customers for a
better user experience that you were telling me about?

Nope.

Now answer my question.

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On 2024-03-29 13:32, badgolferman wrote:

Alan wrote:

On 2024-03-29 11:52, badgolferman wrote:

Jan K. wrote:

https://9to5mac.com/2024/03/29/iphone-16-pro-polished-titanium-report/ >>>>
"Apple has developed a new finish for the titanium frame of the
iPhone 16 Pro models, with the brushed look of the iPhone 15 Pro
replaced by a more polished material."

Please explain to me why this is a big deal and how does it lead to
a better experience for the user.

Please explain where you saw anyone claiming it was a big deal?

Is this the kind of innovation Apple provides its customers for a
better user experience that you were telling me about?

But the better user experience is things like designing their own
processors that mean I can use my computer from 8:30am until now (6
hours), and still have 47% on my battery...

...and that's while having Word, Excel, Safari, Mail, Thunderbird,
Messages, Teams, Newswatcher...

...all happily running.

:-)

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On 2024-03-30 08:29, Oliver wrote:

On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:49:00 -0000 (UTC), Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid>
wrote

Please explain to me why this is a big deal and how does it lead to
a better experience for the user.

It doesn't ... but Samsung and co. will still be copying it in four
months time, after jeering Apple for doing it.  :-p

Regardless of whether Samsung copies them, Apple has trillions of
dollars to use for innovation and creating new useful products.  When
it comes to the iPhone the only things they've shown lately are
different colors or different skeletal materials.  Oh, and the dynamic
window which turned out to be a dud.  Occasionally they come out with
an updated camera.  Why bother coming out with a new model every year
if there's nothing new to sell?  The only thing I can think of is they
know the Apple sheep will stand in line for days waiting to be the
first to buy a yellow iPhone.

Because that drives the sales. Marketing 101.

If you assume Apple knows exactly what most of its customers want, and if
you look at Apple's advertisements for silly colors & worthless trim...

What does that say to you about what Apple thinks about its customer base?

It says that Apple understands consumers.

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On 2024-03-30 06:17, badgolferman wrote:

Your Name wrote:

On 2024-03-29 18:52:46 +0000, badgolferman said:

Jan K. wrote:

https://9to5mac.com/2024/03/29/iphone-16-pro-polished-titanium-report/ >>>>
"Apple has developed a new finish for the titanium frame of the
iPhone 16 Pro models, with the brushed look of the iPhone 15 Pro
replaced by a more polished material."

Please explain to me why this is a big deal and how does it lead to
a better experience for the user.

It doesn't ... but Samsung and co. will still be copying it in four
months time, after jeering Apple for doing it. :-p

Regardless of whether Samsung copies them, Apple has trillions of
dollars to use for innovation and creating new useful products. When

Which they do.

it comes to the iPhone the only things they've shown lately are
different colors or different skeletal materials.

Really? You're sure there have been no innovations?

But the simple fact is that smartphones are a pretty mature product
category.

Oh, and the dynamic
window which turned out to be a dud. Occasionally they come out with
an updated camera. Why bother coming out with a new model every year
if there's nothing new to sell? The only thing I can think of is they
know the Apple sheep will stand in line for days waiting to be the
first to buy a yellow iPhone.

They come out with an updated camera pretty much with ever new model.

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On 2024-03-30 17:11, Oscar Mayer wrote:

On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 10:57:49 +1300, Your Name wrote:

At some point Apple may actually release a foldable iPhone, and like
most of what they do it will be made properly, work, and show all
their "competitors" how it should have been done

You have a lot of faith in a company that can't even make a simple modem.

But you've finally admitted the make their own CPUs, haven't you?

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On 2024-03-30 10:33, Indira wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:

Yellow iPhones are a blessing to us all.

Point taken.

If Apple didn't miserably fail at everything from modem to unpatchable chip design flaws, then maybe Apple could advertise "innovation" instead wasting advertising dollars touting ugly yellow phones & brushed metallic outsides.

But you claimed that Apple doesn't actually design its CPUs, Arlen...

As it stands, there hasn't been any innovation in the iPhone in years.
Which is exactly why Apple makes such a big deal about colors and frames.

It's all Apple has that's new that their customers still care about.

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On 2024-03-31 17:20, sms wrote:

On 3/30/2024 6:17 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

Regardless of whether Samsung copies them, Apple has trillions of
dollars to use for innovation and creating new useful products.  When
it comes to the iPhone the only things they've shown lately are
different colors or different skeletal materials.  Oh, and the dynamic
window which turned out to be a dud.  Occasionally they come out with
an updated camera.  Why bother coming out with a new model every year
if there's nothing new to sell?  The only thing I can think of is they
know the Apple sheep will stand in line for days waiting to be the
first to buy a yellow iPhone.

The days of people standing in line for the latest iPhone, for days, are
long past.

You sure about that?

<https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&sca_esv=27919f41f8c15d06&rls=en&q=customers+lined+up+for+the+iphone+15

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