Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
Am 19.04.24 um 22:34 schrieb Cameo:
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
What do you expect? This is nothing you can actively manage. You can
turn it off and on:
https://support.apple.com/de-ch/guide/iphone/iph771fd0aad/ios
Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
Am 19.04.24 um 22:34 schrieb Cameo:
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
What do you expect? This is nothing you can actively manage. You can
turn it off and on:
https://support.apple.com/de-ch/guide/iphone/iph771fd0aad/ios
Fine, but I couldn’t find even that on-off switch.
Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
Am 19.04.24 um 22:34 schrieb Cameo:
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
What do you expect? This is nothing you can actively manage. You can
turn it off and on:
https://support.apple.com/de-ch/guide/iphone/iph771fd0aad/ios
Fine, but I couldn’t find even that on-off switch.
Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
Am 19.04.24 um 22:34 schrieb Cameo:
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
What do you expect? This is nothing you can actively manage. You can
turn it off and on:
https://support.apple.com/de-ch/guide/iphone/iph771fd0aad/ios
Fine, but I couldn’t find even that on-off switch.
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 22:34:28 +0200, Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
"Because UWB's
No added value.
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 10:46:04 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
No added value.
And yet, there is added value in the link provided which Apple will never give you because the link shows Apple is profiting by selling your tracking location data. <https://www.stopspying.org/scarilyprecise>
Don't you ever think WHY only Apple refuses to allow you to turn UWB off?
Remember, Apple leads you iSheep to slaughter, which is why you can't use
an iPhone without logging into Apple's 24/7/356 tracking account, and if
it's an iPhone 11 or newer, every location movement is now tracked by UWB.
Apple sells your private location tracking information - tied to your ID!
You can deny that added information is of any value to you, but for those
who care about their privacy - it's extremely useful information to know.
You provide no evidence for your assertion.
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 10:46:04 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
No added value.
And yet, there is added value in the link provided which Apple will never give you because the link shows Apple is profiting by selling your tracking location data. <https://www.stopspying.org/scarilyprecise>
On 2024-04-20 08:40, Quincy the fifth wrote:
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 10:46:04 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
No added value.
And yet, there is added value in the link provided which Apple will never
give you because the link shows Apple is profiting by selling your tracking >> location data. <https://www.stopspying.org/scarilyprecise>
Don't you ever think WHY only Apple refuses to allow you to turn UWB off?
Remember, Apple leads you iSheep to slaughter, which is why you can't use
an iPhone without logging into Apple's 24/7/356 tracking account, and if
it's an iPhone 11 or newer, every location movement is now tracked by UWB. >>
Apple sells your private location tracking information - tied to your ID!
You can deny that added information is of any value to you, but for those
who care about their privacy - it's extremely useful information to know.
1. You provide no evidence for your assertion.
2. You're Arlen.
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 09:11:26 -0700, Alan wrote:
You provide no evidence for your assertion.
You denied the evidence without even clicking on the link provided. <https://www.stopspying.org/scarilyprecise>
Only Apple prevents you from turning off UWB.
Every other platform but iOS with UWB allows users basic privacy.
But not Apple.
Worse, you're logged into Apple servers 24/7/365 for your location tracking to be tied to your unique AppleID (which you can't remove from iOS).
Android allows you to remove the tracking account. iOS doesn't.
Android allows you to turn off UWB & still use the phone; iOS doesn't.
The reason Android allows it is that it's important for privacy.
The reason Apple doesn't is explained in the article you didn't read.
Apple profits greatly from denying its users this basic UWB privacy.
Says so in the link already provided (that you didn't click on).
Do not respond until/unless you show you've clicked on the link.
Here it is again for you to again & again claim it doesn't exist. <https://www.stopspying.org/scarilyprecise>
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 09:11:26 -0700, Alan wrote:
You provide no evidence for your assertion.
You denied the evidence without even clicking on the link provided. <https://www.stopspying.org/scarilyprecise>
Only Apple prevents you from turning off UWB.
Every other platform but iOS with UWB allows users basic privacy.
But not Apple.
Worse, you're logged into Apple servers 24/7/365 for your location tracking to be tied to your unique AppleID (which you can't remove from iOS).
Android allows you to remove the tracking account. iOS doesn't.
Android allows you to turn off UWB & still use the phone; iOS doesn't.
The reason Android allows it is that it's important for privacy.
The reason Apple doesn't is explained in the article you didn't read.
Apple profits greatly from denying its users this basic UWB privacy.
Says so in the link already provided (that you didn't click on).
Do not respond until/unless you show you've clicked on the link.
Here it is again for you to again & again claim it doesn't exist. <https://www.stopspying.org/scarilyprecise>
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
System Services. Beta versions are released early to developers to helpiron out kinks in the software, and it's not clear yet when 13.3.1 will be released to the general public."
And yet, there is added value in the link provided which Apple will never
give you because the link shows Apple is profiting by selling your tracking >> location data. <https://www.stopspying.org/scarilyprecise>
A fear mongering article that is full of errors doesn't impress much.
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 12:42:08 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
And yet, there is added value in the link provided which Apple will never >>> give you because the link shows Apple is profiting by selling your tracking >>> location data. <https://www.stopspying.org/scarilyprecise>
A fear mongering article that is full of errors doesn't impress much.
It's quite clear you've never read anything other than Apple slick white papers and ads, as Google was forced to belatedly include a switch to turn UWB off - which was widely reported - and yet Apple refused you that basic privacy (because Apple profits greatly from selling your location data).
You're completely clueless about Apple, but even Apple was forced to
address some of the U1 UWB privacy issues - which is news you missed. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/01/apple-addresses-iphone-11-location-privacy-concern/
Yet even today, only Apple doesn't allow users the basic privacy right to turn UWB off, which means anyone can easily track iPhone users everywhere they go.
Apple even sells that private location data to advertisers.
https://medium.com/@orlandonhoward/the-silent-advent-of-uwb-technology-and-its-implications-for-privacy-6114fb2da0d3
"The proliferation of UWB in cell phones enables scenarios where the locations and movements of every person with a UWB device can be precisely tracked with UWB sensors mounted in inconspicuous places."
Before you respond, you have to address why only Apple doesn't allow anyone with an iPhone 11 or higher to have the basic privacy of turning UWB off. https://www.adexchanger.com/data-driven-thinking/google-and-apple-are-interested-in-profits-not-privacy/
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 09:11:26 -0700, Alan wrote:
You provide no evidence for your assertion.
You denied the evidence without even clicking on the link provided. <https://www.stopspying.org/scarilyprecise>
Only Apple prevents you from turning off UWB.
Every other platform but iOS with UWB allows users basic privacy.
But not Apple.
Worse, you're logged into Apple servers 24/7/365 for your location tracking to be tied to your unique AppleID (which you can't remove from iOS).
Android allows you to remove the tracking account. iOS doesn't.
Android allows you to turn off UWB & still use the phone; iOS doesn't.
The reason Android allows it is that it's important for privacy.
The reason Apple doesn't is explained in the article you didn't read.
Apple profits greatly from denying its users this basic UWB privacy.
Says so in the link already provided (that you didn't click on).
Do not respond until/unless you show you've clicked on the link.
Here it is again for you to again & again claim it doesn't exist. <https://www.stopspying.org/scarilyprecise>
On 2024-04-20 10:02, Oliver wrote:
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 22:34:28 +0200, Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
"Because UWB's
Arlen is like rust. Never sleeps. No added value.
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 10:46:04 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
No added value.
And yet, there is added value
On 2024-04-20, Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
Am 19.04.24 um 22:34 schrieb Cameo:
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
What do you expect? This is nothing you can actively manage. You can
turn it off and on:
https://support.apple.com/de-ch/guide/iphone/iph771fd0aad/ios
Fine, but I couldn’t find even that on-off switch.
Airplane Mode turns it off. Pretty sure you were already told that once.
On 2024-04-19 16:34, Cameo wrote:
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
As other point out, it's either on or off depending on Airplane mode.
UWB (in iPhones, etc.) is an Apple feature for high data rate transfers
and ranging functions. It's sort of a "back office" function that the
user doesn't need to worry about much.
(To date it's not clear to me if it's actually used for data transfer in Apple devices).
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-04-20, Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
Am 19.04.24 um 22:34 schrieb Cameo:
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
What do you expect? This is nothing you can actively manage. You can
turn it off and on:
https://support.apple.com/de-ch/guide/iphone/iph771fd0aad/ios
Fine, but I couldn’t find even that on-off switch.
Airplane Mode turns it off. Pretty sure you were already told that once.
Airplane mode turns off all rádios, so that’s not much of a clue for most people.
Airplane mode turns off all rádios, so that’s not much of a clue for most >> people.
Then it works as intended by the manufacturer. For security reasons.
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:55:09 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Airplane mode turns off all rádios, so that’s not much of a clue for most
people.
Then it works as intended by the manufacturer. For security reasons.
Correction. It works as Apple intended. For profit reasons.
Ethical OEMs allow the user to turn just UWB off. For privacy reasons.
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:55:09 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Airplane mode turns off all rádios, so that’s not much of a clue for
most people.
Then it works as intended by the manufacturer. For security reasons.
Correction. It works as Apple intended. For profit reasons.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-04-19 16:34, Cameo wrote:
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
As other point out, it's either on or off depending on Airplane mode.
UWB (in iPhones, etc.) is an Apple feature for high data rate transfers
and ranging functions. It's sort of a "back office" function that the
user doesn't need to worry about much.
(To date it's not clear to me if it's actually used for data transfer in
Apple devices).
That’s it: how do I know UWB is on?
Correction. It works as Apple intended. For profit reasons.
Nonsense. There's no profit motive here.
That's it: how do I know UWB is on?
Why should I care whether it's on?
On 21 Apr 2024 16:33:12 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
Correction. It works as Apple intended. For profit reasons.
Nonsense. There's no profit motive here.
Rest assured Apple didn't put a circa $20 chip for non-profit reasons,
given Apple does nothing that doesn't eke more money out of its owners.
More to the OP's point though, especially given the obvious huge privacy implications, is why do you think Apple doesn't provide UWB on/off control.
Why does every phone EXCEPT Apple's iPhone provide that basic privacy?
On 21 Apr 2024 16:34:08 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
That's it: how do I know UWB is on?
Why should I care whether it's on?
There are two fundamental reasons to care about the UWB radio, maybe
neither of which YOU care about - but many others do care about them.
On 21 Apr 2024 16:34:08 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
That's it: how do I know UWB is on?
Why should I care whether it's on?
There are two fundamental reasons to care about the UWB radio, maybe
neither of which YOU care about - but many others do care about them.
That's it: how do I know UWB is on?
Why should I care whether it's on?
There are two fundamental reasons to care about the UWB radio, maybe
neither of which YOU care about - but many others do care about them.
Must be really important considering your inability to articulate either
of them.
On 21 Apr 2024 23:44:34 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
That's it: how do I know UWB is on?
Why should I care whether it's on?
There are two fundamental reasons to care about the UWB radio, maybe
neither of which YOU care about - but many others do care about
them.
Must be really important considering your inability to articulate
either of them.
You're arguing
I asked a question, and you have
failed to answer. You must have the mental and emotional capacity of a
child to think that asking a legitimate question and expecting an honest answer is "arguing".
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:55:09 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Airplane mode turns off all rádios, so that’s not much of a clue for most
people.
Then it works as intended by the manufacturer. For security reasons.
Correction. It works as Apple intended. For profit reasons.
Ethical OEMs allow the user to turn just UWB off. For privacy reasons.
On 22 Apr 2024 03:04:01 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
I asked a question, and you have failed to answer. You must have the
mental and emotional capacity of a child to think that asking a
legitimate question and expecting an honest answer is "arguing".
The answer is obvious
for you to say
On 21 Apr 2024 16:33:12 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
Correction. It works as Apple intended. For profit reasons.
Nonsense. There's no profit motive here.
Rest assured Apple didn't put a circa $20 chip for non-profit reasons,
given Apple does nothing that doesn't eke more money out of its owners.
On 22 Apr 2024 15:44:12 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
The answer is obvious
Yet you are unable to articulate it.
for you to say
I said nothing - I asked a question. And you refuse to answer.
WTF? I gave you the answer already. Look again. It's in the response you
just read and cut way all but the answer that I gave you.
Open your eyes this time.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-04-19 16:34, Cameo wrote:
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
As other point out, it's either on or off depending on Airplane mode.
UWB (in iPhones, etc.) is an Apple feature for high data rate transfers
and ranging functions. It's sort of a "back office" function that the
user doesn't need to worry about much.
(To date it's not clear to me if it's actually used for data transfer in
Apple devices).
That’s it: how do I know UWB is on? I have a feeling Android phones show it with little icon on the top 5 mm of the screen the way they used to
indicate if 3G or 4G/LTE was being used. Apple likes to keep us in the
dark, sp it seems.
The answer is obvious
Yet you are unable to articulate it.
for you to say
I said nothing - I asked a question. And you refuse to answer.
On 22 Apr 2024 15:44:12 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
The answer is obvious
Yet you are unable to articulate it.
for you to say
I said nothing - I asked a question. And you refuse to answer.
WTF? I gave you the answer already.i
Open your eyes this time.
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 18:30:00 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-04-19 16:34, Cameo wrote:
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
As other point out, it's either on or off depending on Airplane mode.
UWB (in iPhones, etc.) is an Apple feature for high data rate transfers >>>> and ranging functions. It's sort of a "back office" function that the >>>> user doesn't need to worry about much.
(To date it's not clear to me if it's actually used for data
transfer in
Apple devices).
That's it: how do I know UWB is on? I have a feeling Android phones
show it
with little icon on the top 5 mm of the screen the way they used to
indicate if 3G or 4G/LTE was being used. Apple likes to keep us in the
dark, sp it seems.
I don't know about Android in this sense but I'd be very surprised.
This is a "back office" function.
If the phone has it (see model no.) and you're not in Airplane Mode,
then it is on.
There are thousands - 10's of thousands of states in an appliance like
an iPhone. Apple don't expose many of them because: no need.
Apple originally supplied a GUI to specifically turn UWB off in the beta. https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/disable-ultra-wideband-chip-iphone/
How to Disable the Ultra Wideband Chip in Your iPhone 11 Pro to Prevent Location Data Usage
Open your eyes this time.
Unlike you, my eyes are wide open.
On 2024-04-20 18:49, Cameo wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-04-19 16:34, Cameo wrote:
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
As other point out, it's either on or off depending on Airplane mode.
UWB (in iPhones, etc.) is an Apple feature for high data rate transfers
and ranging functions. It's sort of a "back office" function that the
user doesn't need to worry about much.
(To date it's not clear to me if it's actually used for data transfer in >>> Apple devices).
That’s it: how do I know UWB is on? I have a feeling Android phones show it
with little icon on the top 5 mm of the screen the way they used to
indicate if 3G or 4G/LTE was being used. Apple likes to keep us in the
dark, sp it seems.
I don't know about Android in this sense but I'd be very surprised.
This is a "back office" function.
If the phone has it (see model no.) and you're not in Airplane Mode,
then it is on.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-04-19 16:34, Cameo wrote:
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
As other point out, it's either on or off depending on Airplane mode.
UWB (in iPhones, etc.) is an Apple feature for high data rate transfers
and ranging functions. It's sort of a "back office" function that the
user doesn't need to worry about much.
(To date it's not clear to me if it's actually used for data transfer in >>> Apple devices).
That's it: how do I know UWB is on? I have a feeling Android phones show it >> with little icon on the top 5 mm of the screen the way they used to
indicate if 3G or 4G/LTE was being used. Apple likes to keep us in the
dark, sp it seems.
I don't know about Android in this sense but I'd be very surprised.
This is a "back office" function.
If the phone has it (see model no.) and you're not in Airplane Mode,
then it is on.
There are thousands - 10's of thousands of states in an appliance like
an iPhone. Apple don't expose many of them because: no need.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-04-20 18:49, Cameo wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-04-19 16:34, Cameo wrote:
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
As other point out, it's either on or off depending on Airplane mode.
UWB (in iPhones, etc.) is an Apple feature for high data rate transfers >>>> and ranging functions. It's sort of a "back office" function that the >>>> user doesn't need to worry about much.
(To date it's not clear to me if it's actually used for data transfer in >>>> Apple devices).
That’s it: how do I know UWB is on? I have a feeling Android phones show it
with little icon on the top 5 mm of the screen the way they used to
indicate if 3G or 4G/LTE was being used. Apple likes to keep us in the
dark, sp it seems.
I don't know about Android in this sense but I'd be very surprised.
This is a "back office" function.
If the phone has it (see model no.) and you're not in Airplane Mode,
then it is on.
Then it’s on … Provided that the network provider has a near antenna to broadcast UWB. We need to see some indication of that so we can see the difference in data speed when it exists and when it does not.
Apple originally supplied a GUI to specifically turn UWB off in the beta. https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/disable-ultra-wideband-chip-iphone/
How to Disable the Ultra Wideband Chip in Your iPhone 11 Pro
to Prevent Location Data Usage
"A security researcher discovered that Apple's iPhone 11 Pro models
access user location data even when all apps and system services on the *iPhone* are set to not request the data... Apple responded by explaining that *these *iPhone** models have a U1 Ultra Wideband chip... With the release of iOS 13.3.1, Apple is adding an option to its *iPhone* software that allows users to turn off the UI chip entirely if they so wish.
The new option is hidden away in settings, but you can find it by following the steps below.
Launch the Settings app on your *iPhone*.
Tap Privacy.
Tap Location Services.
Tap System Services at the bottom of the menu.
Toggle the Networking & Wireless switch to the grey OFF position.
A prompt will appear - tap Turn Off to confirm."
Did that UWB privacy switch never make it into the iOS release stream?
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-04-20 18:49, Cameo wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-04-19 16:34, Cameo wrote:
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I
haven't found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
As other point out, it's either on or off depending on Airplane
mode.
UWB (in iPhones, etc.) is an Apple feature for high data rate
transfers and ranging functions. It's sort of a "back office"
function that the user doesn't need to worry about much.
(To date it's not clear to me if it's actually used for data
transfer in Apple devices).
That’s it: how do I know UWB is on? I have a feeling Android phones
show it with little icon on the top 5 mm of the screen the way they
used to indicate if 3G or 4G/LTE was being used. Apple likes to keep
us in the dark, sp it seems.
I don't know about Android in this sense but I'd be very surprised.
This is a "back office" function.
If the phone has it (see model no.) and you're not in Airplane Mode,
then it is on.
Then it’s on … Provided that the network provider has a near antenna
to broadcast UWB. We need to see some indication of that
On 22 Apr 2024 22:54:15 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
Open your eyes this time.
Unlike you, my eyes are wide open.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/uwb-new-wireless-technology-could-nightmare-privacy-alexander-leschik
"it is important to be aware of the potential privacy implications of UWB"
https://medium.com/@orlandonhoward/the-silent-advent-of-uwb-technology-and-its-implications-for-privacy-6114fb2da0d3
"The proliferation of UWB in cell phones enables scenarios where the locations and movements of every person with a UWB device can be precisely tracked with UWB sensors mounted in inconspicuous places."
https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2019/12/21/every-move-you-make-ill-be-watching-you-privacy-implications-of-the-apple-u1-chip-and-ultra-wideband/
"What makes the current generation of UWB chips stand out is that for the first time they will be deployed in mobile phones, which for a lot of
people is an inseparable part of their daily routine. While it is promoted
by Apple as just another sensor to "Share. Find. Play. More precisely than ever," this technology has the power to disrupt existing societal norms. Suddenly businesses will be able to track an individual's location within their stores down to the centimeter, which gives them the power to track which products you look at in real-time. Similar to the debated facial recognition technology, UWB localization offers a new capability to capture and ultimately profile identities of a user. Essentially, the new chip is a marketer's dream in a box. Shops already track your purchases, leading to cases like the infamous 2012 case where Target unintentionally divulged a teen's pregnancy to her father. When a store has UWB-enabled access points, it will be easy to monitor a phone's location indoors and track what you considered purchasing in addition to what you actually purchase."
On 2024-04-23 12:52, Cameo wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-04-20 18:49, Cameo wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-04-19 16:34, Cameo wrote:
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't >>>>>> found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
As other point out, it's either on or off depending on Airplane mode. >>>>>
UWB (in iPhones, etc.) is an Apple feature for high data rate
transfers
and ranging functions. It's sort of a "back office" function that the >>>>> user doesn't need to worry about much.
(To date it's not clear to me if it's actually used for data
transfer in
Apple devices).
That’s it: how do I know UWB is on? I have a feeling Android phones
show it
with little icon on the top 5 mm of the screen the way they used to
indicate if 3G or 4G/LTE was being used. Apple likes to keep us in the >>>> dark, sp it seems.
I don't know about Android in this sense but I'd be very surprised.
This is a "back office" function.
If the phone has it (see model no.) and you're not in Airplane Mode,
then it is on.
Then it’s on … Provided that the network provider has a near antenna to >> broadcast UWB. We need to see some indication of that so we can see the
difference in data speed when it exists and when it does not.
Do we?
On 2024-04-23, Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-04-20 18:49, Cameo wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-04-19 16:34, Cameo wrote:
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I
haven't found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
As other point out, it's either on or off depending on Airplane
mode.
UWB (in iPhones, etc.) is an Apple feature for high data rate
transfers and ranging functions. It's sort of a "back office"
function that the user doesn't need to worry about much.
(To date it's not clear to me if it's actually used for data
transfer in Apple devices).
That’s it: how do I know UWB is on? I have a feeling Android phones
show it with little icon on the top 5 mm of the screen the way they
used to indicate if 3G or 4G/LTE was being used. Apple likes to keep
us in the dark, sp it seems.
I don't know about Android in this sense but I'd be very surprised.
This is a "back office" function.
If the phone has it (see model no.) and you're not in Airplane Mode,
then it is on.
Then it’s on … Provided that the network provider has a near antenna
to broadcast UWB. We need to see some indication of that
We need to see evidence that iPhones are actually being tracked through
UWB as well.
On 4/23/2024 7:06 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-04-23 12:52, Cameo wrote:
I do. Because inquiring minds want to know.Then it’s on … Provided that the network provider has a near antenna to >>> broadcast UWB. We need to see some indication of that so we can see the
difference in data speed when it exists and when it does not.
Do we?
On 2024-04-23, Nick Cine <nickcine@is.invalid> wrote:
On 22 Apr 2024 22:54:15 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
Open your eyes this time.
Unlike you, my eyes are wide open.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/uwb-new-wireless-technology-could-nightmare-privacy-alexander-leschik
"it is important to be aware of the potential privacy implications of UWB"
"Potential". Show the proof that anyone can track all iPhones in their vicinity through UWB, please.
https://medium.com/@orlandonhoward/the-silent-advent-of-uwb-technology-and-its-implications-for-privacy-6114fb2da0d3
"The proliferation of UWB in cell phones enables scenarios where the
locations and movements of every person with a UWB device can be precisely >> tracked with UWB sensors mounted in inconspicuous places."
From the same article:
"Apple perceived the privacy threats of its AirTags and implemented
several measures to prevent stalking using the tags. They “have unique Bluetooth identifiers that frequently rotate to ensure you’re not
tracked from place to place.” Location data and history are also not
stored on the devices. They’re linked to a person’s Apple ID that
no one else can track."
No reason to believe Apple isn't doing the same with all of their
UWB-enabled devices.
https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2019/12/21/every-move-you-make-ill-be-watching-you-privacy-implications-of-the-apple-u1-chip-and-ultra-wideband/
"What makes the current generation of UWB chips stand out is that for the
first time they will be deployed in mobile phones, which for a lot of
people is an inseparable part of their daily routine. While it is promoted >> by Apple as just another sensor to "Share. Find. Play. More precisely than >> ever," this technology has the power to disrupt existing societal norms.
Suddenly businesses will be able to track an individual's location within
their stores down to the centimeter, which gives them the power to track
which products you look at in real-time. Similar to the debated facial
recognition technology, UWB localization offers a new capability to capture >> and ultimately profile identities of a user. Essentially, the new chip is a >> marketer's dream in a box. Shops already track your purchases, leading to
cases like the infamous 2012 case where Target unintentionally divulged a
teen's pregnancy to her father. When a store has UWB-enabled access points, >> it will be easy to monitor a phone's location indoors and track what you
considered purchasing in addition to what you actually purchase."
That's a lot of conjecture. Where's the evidence of these claims?
On 2024-04-24 07:43, Cameo wrote:
On 4/23/2024 7:06 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-04-23 12:52, Cameo wrote:
I do. Because inquiring minds want to know.Then it’s on … Provided that the network provider has a near antenna to
broadcast UWB. We need to see some indication of that so we can see the >>>> difference in data speed when it exists and when it does not.
Do we?
Conditions:
some network provider with broadcast UWB - which is not even a "thing"
as far as I can tell.
some indication that it's "doing something".
some comparative of data speed (you mean rate, but let's not quibble*)
from some non existent state v. a state that is not known to exist.
"Inquiring minds want to know" is the motto of the National Enquirer.
Hmm - not the best reference...
On 2024-04-20, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-04-20 10:02, Oliver wrote:
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 22:34:28 +0200, Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote
Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
"Because UWB's
Arlen is like rust. Never sleeps. No added value.
Yup. Just lame.
On 20 Apr 2024 21:23:42 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-04-20, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-04-20 10:02, Oliver wrote:
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 22:34:28 +0200, Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote >>>>> Supposedly the new iPhones have the new UWB built in, but I haven't
found it anywhere in the Setup. Anybody has?
"Because UWB's
Arlen is like rust. Never sleeps. No added value.
Yup. Just lame.
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