• Re: The 10 Worst Smartphones Of All Time

    From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Apr 30 18:25:55 2024
    On 30.04.24 17:07, badgolferman wrote:
    https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-time/

    -- Galaxy Note 7
    -- HTC First
    -- Amazon Fire Phone
    -- Blackberry Storm
    -- Kyocera Echo
    -- Samsung Galaxy Fold
    -- RED Hydrogen One
    -- iPhone 6
    -- HTC EVO 3D
    -- V Mobile N8-N

    Good and bad as well as statistics are not your core competence.

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  • From Sten deJoode@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 30 13:42:41 2024
    On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:25:55 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

    On 30.04.24 17:07, badgolferman wrote:
    https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-time/

    -- Galaxy Note 7
    -- HTC First
    -- Amazon Fire Phone
    -- Blackberry Storm
    -- Kyocera Echo
    -- Samsung Galaxy Fold
    -- RED Hydrogen One
    -- iPhone 6
    -- HTC EVO 3D
    -- V Mobile N8-N

    Good and bad as well as statistics are not your core competence.

    iPhone 6

    To make matters worse, internal documents from Apple showed that Apple knew
    the [iPhone 6] was susceptible to damage from bending (via Vice). There's
    not much worse than paying a premium price for a flagship product only to
    find out the manufacturer knew [the iPhone 6] was designed to be defective.

    Apple started a tech revolution with the first iPhone and had already built
    a reputation for creating innovative and quality products. That is
    precisely why it is all that much more disappointing when it fails to get
    [the iPhone 6] phone right.

    Multiple reports of the [iPhone 6] phone bending while being stored in
    peoples' pockets or subjected to moderate stress arose, and the issue
    became amplified when Unbox Therapy picked up on it and created a video specifically testing the phone with dismal results.

    While the [iPhone 6] phone does not always break, moderate stress can cause
    it to have a permanent bend centered in the frame around the location of
    the volume buttons.

    Furthermore, an issue related to the bending issue called "Touch Disease" arose, something we covered in 2016. This flaw can also result from
    moderate bending, causing the chip to become dislodged and, preventing
    touch response to a part of the screen, which kinda makes it useless.

    To make matters worse, internal documents from Apple showed that Apple knew
    the [iPhone 6] phone was susceptible to damage from bending (via Vice).

    Furthermore, Apple's preferred fix for either issue was a [consumer paid
    for] replacement, which was convenient [for Apple] as many [iPhone 6]
    phones were already out of warranty.

    While "Bendgate" and "Touch Disease" caused some consternation from the
    Apple faithful and really upset some owners of the iPhone 6, Apple remains
    on top of their game.

    Still, there's not much worse than paying a premium price for a flagship product only to find out the manufacturer knew it was subpar.

    Read More: https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-time/

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com on Tue Apr 30 21:28:28 2024
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman"" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-time/

    -- Galaxy Note 7
    -- HTC First
    -- Amazon Fire Phone
    -- Blackberry Storm
    -- Kyocera Echo
    -- Samsung Galaxy Fold
    -- RED Hydrogen One
    -- iPhone 6
    -- HTC EVO 3D
    -- V Mobile N8-N

    Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like Apple is doing just fine.

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  • From News@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Tue Apr 30 17:47:10 2024
    On 4/30/2024 5:28 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman"" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-time/

    -- Galaxy Note 7
    -- HTC First
    -- Amazon Fire Phone
    -- Blackberry Storm
    -- Kyocera Echo
    -- Samsung Galaxy Fold
    -- RED Hydrogen One
    -- iPhone 6
    -- HTC EVO 3D
    -- V Mobile N8-N

    Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like Apple is doing just fine.


    No 'worst' WinPhones

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to News on Tue Apr 30 22:16:12 2024
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 5:47:10 PM EDT, "News" <News@Group.Name> wrote:

    On 4/30/2024 5:28 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-time/

    -- Galaxy Note 7
    -- HTC First
    -- Amazon Fire Phone
    -- Blackberry Storm
    -- Kyocera Echo
    -- Samsung Galaxy Fold
    -- RED Hydrogen One
    -- iPhone 6
    -- HTC EVO 3D
    -- V Mobile N8-N

    Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like Apple is >> doing just fine.


    No 'worst' WinPhones

    That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to single one out of
    the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows Phones".

    In fact, it was Windows Phones that made me give up on Microsoft for consumer products. I had (still have) a Nokia 920, a Nokia Icon and an MS 950 XL. The
    XL was a total suckage. Junk hardware and horrible Windows 10 Mobile software, which was not useable until about 6 months after it was released.

    Now I have iPhones, iPads and Macs and could not be happier. Windows Phones is just a Bad Memory to me now.

    Sort of like high school. Nice for a while, but once you got out and grew up you realize what a waste of time it was.

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  • From Cameo@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed May 1 02:51:04 2024
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Tyrone wrote:

    On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-tim
    e/ -- Galaxy Note 7
    -- HTC First
    -- Amazon Fire Phone
    -- Blackberry Storm
    -- Kyocera Echo
    -- Samsung Galaxy Fold
    -- RED Hydrogen One
    -- iPhone 6
    -- HTC EVO 3D
    -- V Mobile N8-N

    Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like
    Apple is doing just fine.

    I tried to avoid iPhones so the Blackberry Storm was my first "smart"
    phone. I will attest to its being on that list. I finally relented
    and switched to the iPhone 4 and have been a user ever since.
    Sometimes I think I should switch to a Google Pixel, but I'm too lazy
    to learn a new OS, and more importantly I have apps that can't be
    replaced in the Android OS.


    It would be easier to get used to Android UI than the other way around. The real problem would be to find the same critical apps on both. If you find something similar enough, transferring the data could be a problem.

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  • From Cameo@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Wed May 1 02:44:32 2024
    Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman"" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-time/

    -- Galaxy Note 7
    -- HTC First
    -- Amazon Fire Phone
    -- Blackberry Storm
    -- Kyocera Echo
    -- Samsung Galaxy Fold
    -- RED Hydrogen One
    -- iPhone 6
    -- HTC EVO 3D
    -- V Mobile N8-N

    Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like Apple is doing just fine.


    LG even better. Too bad they are getting out of phone business.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Cameo on Wed May 1 07:21:38 2024
    On 01.05.24 04:51, Cameo wrote:
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Tyrone wrote:

    On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-tim
    e/ -- Galaxy Note 7
    -- HTC First
    -- Amazon Fire Phone
    -- Blackberry Storm
    -- Kyocera Echo
    -- Samsung Galaxy Fold
    -- RED Hydrogen One
    -- iPhone 6
    -- HTC EVO 3D
    -- V Mobile N8-N

    Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like
    Apple is doing just fine.

    I tried to avoid iPhones so the Blackberry Storm was my first "smart"
    phone. I will attest to its being on that list. I finally relented
    and switched to the iPhone 4 and have been a user ever since.
    Sometimes I think I should switch to a Google Pixel, but I'm too lazy
    to learn a new OS, and more importantly I have apps that can't be
    replaced in the Android OS.


    It would be easier to get used to Android UI than the other way around. The real problem would be to find the same critical apps on both. If you find something similar enough, transferring the data could be a problem.

    I use an iPhone 14 and a Pixel 7. I never had an issue of the kind you described. All critical apps run in both worlds (banking, smartcar, communication etc). But it requires mental flexibility.

    If prepared well the switch from one OS to the other is fairly
    straightforward but certainly not done completely in one day.


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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Cameo on Wed May 1 07:23:11 2024
    On 01.05.24 04:44, Cameo wrote:
    Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-time/

    -- Galaxy Note 7
    -- HTC First
    -- Amazon Fire Phone
    -- Blackberry Storm
    -- Kyocera Echo
    -- Samsung Galaxy Fold
    -- RED Hydrogen One
    -- iPhone 6
    -- HTC EVO 3D
    -- V Mobile N8-N

    Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like Apple is >> doing just fine.


    LG even better. Too bad they are getting out of phone business.

    This list is total nonsense faked and skewed to the authors preference.
    They have nothing to do with objective criterias.


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  • From Indira@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Wed May 1 11:06:17 2024
    Tyrone wrote:

    Now I have iPhones, iPads and Macs and could not be happier.

    Since you're 100% inside the iSheep paddock of the walled garden, you
    should be very happy with the set of non-functional devices that you use.

    But if you had a single functional device which dominates the real world,
    you wouldn't be so happy being an iSheep led to slaughter by Apple.

    Windows market share = 72%. Apple macOS market share = 15%.
    Android market share = 71%. Apple iPhone market share = 29%. https://backlinko.com/iphone-vs-android-statistics

    There's a reason the functional operating systems dominate over Apple's.

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  • From Sten deJoode@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 1 01:46:14 2024
    On Wed, 1 May 2024 07:21:38 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote:


    Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like
    Apple is doing just fine.

    I tried to avoid iPhones so the Blackberry Storm was my first "smart"
    phone. I will attest to its being on that list. I finally relented
    and switched to the iPhone 4 and have been a user ever since.
    Sometimes I think I should switch to a Google Pixel, but I'm too lazy
    to learn a new OS, and more importantly I have apps that can't be
    replaced in the Android OS.


    It would be easier to get used to Android UI than the other way around. The >> real problem would be to find the same critical apps on both. If you find
    something similar enough, transferring the data could be a problem.

    I use an iPhone 14 and a Pixel 7. I never had an issue of the kind you described. All critical apps run in both worlds (banking, smartcar, communication etc). But it requires mental flexibility.

    If prepared well the switch from one OS to the other is fairly straightforward but certainly not done completely in one day.

    I use both iOS and Android interchangeably, and except for the limitations
    that iOS can't do most of the things Android does, it's easy to use either.

    As even Jughead said, most of the big-name apps work on both platforms.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed May 1 05:42:38 2024
    badgolferman wrote on Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:19:25 -0000 (UTC) :

    Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like
    Apple is doing just fine.

    I tried to avoid iPhones so the Blackberry Storm was my first "smart"
    phone. I will attest to its being on that list. I finally relented
    and switched to the iPhone 4 and have been a user ever since.
    Sometimes I think I should switch to a Google Pixel, but I'm too lazy
    to learn a new OS, and more importantly I have apps that can't be
    replaced in the Android OS.

    I'm curious what that functionality might be that only iPhones have.

    I'm sure that you can't replace Apple branded apps (e.g., Apple Maps
    doesn't likely run on Android - although I haven't checked that myself).

    But given Android doesn't limit what developers can provide by way of
    useful functionality and Apple severely limits that functionality, what on earth could be the functionality that you love with Apple not on Android?

    I'm not asking you to switch from iOS to Android as you mentioned that the sheer amount of differences is enormous (most in the complexity and capabilities of Android dwarf that of the iPhone simplicity & naivety.

    But I'm curious...

    What functionality (not trade names, not brand names, but what it is that you're trying to accomplish) can you do on an iPhone that isn't already on
    even the cheapest, nay, even free Android phones (even from long ago)?

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  • From Oscar Mayer@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Wed May 1 01:31:14 2024
    On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:28:28 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

    Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like Apple is doing just fine.

    It's no longer amazing how desperate you Apple Jihadists are to claim a win when Apple only makes one line of phones, the iPhone, while Android makes hundreds, the Galaxy line being only one of dozens for Samsung alone.

    If you compare functionality, no iPhone can do even what the cheapest
    Android has always done, and if you want a list of some of those things,
    I'll give it to you since you Jihadists only know about your beloved Koran.

    All iPhones are toys when you realize the hundreds of simple things that no iPhone can do, even down to the simplest of all tasks (such as organizing
    your homescreen the way you want it to be or even to writing a list of all files installed).

    The iPhone is a barely functional toy.

    It can't even run a system-wide firewall, nor can it do automatic call recording, nor can it re-install apps on another phone without the same
    AppleID nor can it spoof gps location, nor can it provide real tor
    anonymity, nor can it save photos given any desired file-naming format, nor
    can it graphically debug cellular and wi-fi signals, nor can it set the
    default dialer, or the default contacts manager or the default camera app,
    etc.

    The fact iOS can't do what every other OS easily does proves it's a toy.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to hugybear@gmx.net on Wed May 1 06:50:10 2024
    Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
    On 01.05.24 07:36, Indira wrote:
    Tyrone wrote:

    Now I have iPhones, iPads and Macs and could not be happier.

    Since you're 100% inside the iSheep paddock of the walled garden, you
    should be very happy with the set of non-functional devices that you use.

    But if you had a single functional device which dominates the real world,
    you wouldn't be so happy being an iSheep led to slaughter by Apple.

    Windows market share = 72%. Apple macOS market share = 15%.
    Android market share = 71%. Apple iPhone market share = 29%.
    https://backlinko.com/iphone-vs-android-statistics

    There's a reason the functional operating systems dominate over Apple's.

    Your deficiencies concerning statistics are basically the same
    badgolferman experiences. You will never understand what you write in
    this group. Hare Krishna, idiot!


    Say Jughead, do you reckon he might just be your archenemy Arlen?

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Indira on Wed May 1 08:29:13 2024
    On 01.05.24 07:36, Indira wrote:
    Tyrone wrote:

    Now I have iPhones, iPads and Macs and could not be happier.

    Since you're 100% inside the iSheep paddock of the walled garden, you
    should be very happy with the set of non-functional devices that you use.

    But if you had a single functional device which dominates the real world,
    you wouldn't be so happy being an iSheep led to slaughter by Apple.

    Windows market share = 72%. Apple macOS market share = 15%.
    Android market share = 71%. Apple iPhone market share = 29%. https://backlinko.com/iphone-vs-android-statistics

    There's a reason the functional operating systems dominate over Apple's.

    Your deficiencies concerning statistics are basically the same
    badgolferman experiences. You will never understand what you write in
    this group. Hare Krishna, idiot!

    --
    "Alea iacta est." (Julius Caesar)

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  • From News@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Wed May 1 09:55:19 2024
    On 4/30/2024 6:16 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 5:47:10 PM EDT, "News" <News@Group.Name> wrote:

    On 4/30/2024 5:28 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-time/ >>>>
    -- Galaxy Note 7
    -- HTC First
    -- Amazon Fire Phone
    -- Blackberry Storm
    -- Kyocera Echo
    -- Samsung Galaxy Fold
    -- RED Hydrogen One
    -- iPhone 6
    -- HTC EVO 3D
    -- V Mobile N8-N

    Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like Apple is
    doing just fine.


    No 'worst' WinPhones

    That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to single one out of the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows Phones".

    Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs stole them,
    like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you know.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed May 1 15:14:06 2024
    badgolferman wrote on Wed, 1 May 2024 10:38:51 -0000 (UTC) :

    It is certain *apps* that are irreplaceable.

    Thanks for clarifying that there is zero functionality on iOS (such as newsreaders or findmydevice functionality) that isn't already on Android.

    I am logical and sensible but I can only work off of what you actually say.

    Your precisely specific wording above is much easier to agree with since
    there is a lot of power in the knowledge that Android OEMs do not limit
    what functionality developers can write while Apple does severely limit it.

    What you're simply saying is you like some apps better than similar ones.
    And that will always happen since there must be tens of thousands of apps.

    -NewsTap / NewsTap Lite. There is no equivalent UseNet app that can do what this app does.

    I've used them all (Michelle Steiner gave me a key for NewsTap) in the past
    and I found all phone newsreaders to be horrendous) compared to on a PC.

    You simply like NewsTap better than the alternatives.
    But both platforms have newsreader functionality, which is my point.

    You likely don't know anything about these 7 Android newsreaders, do you? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.cmg.android.phonews https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cmgapps.android.phonewspro https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.almarsoft.GroundhogReader https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.piaohong.newsgroup https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ken.android.nntpreader.pro https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.noasy.newsreader https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=usenet.sinaapp.com

    Those APKs came from my testing archives, but I just noticed some of those links are now dead, as newsreaders never took off on either iOS or Android.

    Luckily, on Android all free apps install on any Android phone, which is a valuable feature that apparently is "not needed" & "not wanted" only for
    iOS (since every other platform easily installs any free installer on any device, no matter what login ID is used on that device - except for iOS).

    Still, with Android you can almost always get the APK installer using any
    of the many mirrors out there on the Internet (another think iOS can't do).

    For example, for the GroundHog newsreader on Android, APK Pure has it. https://m.apkpure.com/groundhog-usenet-reader/com.almarsoft.GroundhogReader

    Likewise with the Noasy newsreader being found on the package mirrors. https://www.appbrain.com/app/noasy-reader/com.noasy.newsreader

    - FindMy. I share location data with my family members. Maybe Android can
    do this, but since my wife and youngest son use iPhones, I must too.

    I think Android has a FindMy functionality but I've never tested it as the
    last thing I want is someone to be able to locate my phone from afar. https://www.android.com/learn-find-my-device/ https://support.google.com/android/answer/3265955?hl=en https://www.theverge.com/22623185/how-to-find-android-phone-device-location-map-google

    The reason there will never be any functionality on Apple devices that
    isn't already on Android (even free old Android phones) is simply thus:
    A. Most functionality is written by independent developers
    B. Apple severely restricts what functionality developers can provide
    C. Google can't.

    The consumer is always going to be the loser when comparing iOS
    functionality to Android because iOS can't do thousands of things
    that Android easily does (as do all operating systems other than iOS).

    Android even has iOS AirTag detection apps because people want them. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.seemoo.at_tracking_detection.release

    Looking it up, I found even Apple has a detector on the Google Play Store. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apple.trackerdetect
    "Tracker Detect looks for item trackers that are separated from
    their owner and that are compatible with Apple's Find My network.
    These item trackers include AirTag and compatible devices from other
    companies. If you think someone is using AirTag or another device
    to track your location, you can scan to try to find it."

    In short, nobody has ever shown a single useful functionality that is on
    iOS that is not on Android and yet there are hundreds of useful
    functionalities on Android which are not & will never be on iOS.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to News on Wed May 1 15:53:31 2024
    On May 1, 2024 at 9:55:19 AM EDT, "News" <News@Group.Name> wrote:

    On 4/30/2024 6:16 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 5:47:10 PM EDT, "News" <News@Group.Name> wrote:

    On 4/30/2024 5:28 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-time/ >>>>>
    -- Galaxy Note 7
    -- HTC First
    -- Amazon Fire Phone
    -- Blackberry Storm
    -- Kyocera Echo
    -- Samsung Galaxy Fold
    -- RED Hydrogen One
    -- iPhone 6
    -- HTC EVO 3D
    -- V Mobile N8-N

    Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like Apple is
    doing just fine.


    No 'worst' WinPhones

    That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to single one out of >> the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows Phones".

    Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs stole them,
    like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you know.

    Had no apps. The tiles were a mess. Hint: putting a red square around EVERY app icon is stupid. Everything now looks the same. Icons are supposed to be, you know, ICONIC.

    But what do you know?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to News on Wed May 1 09:09:01 2024
    On 2024-05-01 06:55, News wrote:
    On 4/30/2024 6:16 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 5:47:10 PM EDT, "News" <News@Group.Name> wrote:

    On 4/30/2024 5:28 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-time/ >>>>>
    -- Galaxy Note 7
    -- HTC First
    -- Amazon Fire Phone
    -- Blackberry Storm
    -- Kyocera Echo
    -- Samsung Galaxy Fold
    -- RED Hydrogen One
    -- iPhone 6
    -- HTC EVO 3D
    -- V Mobile N8-N

    Nice list.  8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple.  Looks like
    Apple is
    doing just fine.


    No 'worst' WinPhones

    That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to single one
    out of
    the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows Phones".

    Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs stole them,
    like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you know.
    1. The first Windows Phone came out more than 3 YEARS after the first
    iPhone.

    2. When the first Windows Phone was released in October 2010, the iPhone
    had already had an App Store for more than 2 years.

    3. Jobs didn't steal anything from Xerox PARC, and some of what you
    THINK was taken from there was actually invented by Apple.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Sten deJoode on Wed May 1 09:10:21 2024
    On 2024-04-30 22:46, Sten deJoode wrote:
    On Wed, 1 May 2024 07:21:38 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote:


    Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like
    Apple is doing just fine.

    I tried to avoid iPhones so the Blackberry Storm was my first "smart"
    phone. I will attest to its being on that list. I finally relented
    and switched to the iPhone 4 and have been a user ever since.
    Sometimes I think I should switch to a Google Pixel, but I'm too lazy
    to learn a new OS, and more importantly I have apps that can't be
    replaced in the Android OS.


    It would be easier to get used to Android UI than the other way around. The >>> real problem would be to find the same critical apps on both. If you find >>> something similar enough, transferring the data could be a problem.

    I use an iPhone 14 and a Pixel 7. I never had an issue of the kind you
    described. All critical apps run in both worlds (banking, smartcar,
    communication etc). But it requires mental flexibility.

    If prepared well the switch from one OS to the other is fairly
    straightforward but certainly not done completely in one day.

    I use both iOS and Android interchangeably, and except for the limitations that iOS can't do most of the things Android does, it's easy to use either.

    iOS absolutely CAN do "most" of the things Android does.


    As even Jughead said, most of the big-name apps work on both platforms.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andrew on Wed May 1 09:15:08 2024
    On 2024-05-01 08:14, Andrew wrote:
    badgolferman wrote on Wed, 1 May 2024 10:38:51 -0000 (UTC) :

    It is certain *apps* that are irreplaceable.

    Thanks for clarifying that there is zero functionality on iOS (such as newsreaders or findmydevice functionality) that isn't already on Android.

    Arlen... ...stop playing games and start using just ONE posting nym.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed May 1 09:13:32 2024
    On 2024-05-01 03:38, badgolferman wrote:
    Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
    badgolferman wrote on Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:19:25 -0000 (UTC) :

    Nice list. 8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple. Looks like
    Apple is doing just fine.

    I tried to avoid iPhones so the Blackberry Storm was my first "smart"
    phone. I will attest to its being on that list. I finally relented
    and switched to the iPhone 4 and have been a user ever since.
    Sometimes I think I should switch to a Google Pixel, but I'm too lazy
    to learn a new OS, and more importantly I have apps that can't be
    replaced in the Android OS.

    I'm curious what that functionality might be that only iPhones have.

    I'm sure that you can't replace Apple branded apps (e.g., Apple Maps
    doesn't likely run on Android - although I haven't checked that myself).

    But given Android doesn't limit what developers can provide by way of
    useful functionality and Apple severely limits that functionality, what on >> earth could be the functionality that you love with Apple not on Android?

    I'm not asking you to switch from iOS to Android as you mentioned that the >> sheer amount of differences is enormous (most in the complexity and
    capabilities of Android dwarf that of the iPhone simplicity & naivety.

    But I'm curious...

    What functionality (not trade names, not brand names, but what it is that
    you're trying to accomplish) can you do on an iPhone that isn't already on >> even the cheapest, nay, even free Android phones (even from long ago)?


    I’ve already told you, Arlen. It is certain *apps* that are irreplaceable.

    -NewsTap / NewsTap Lite. There is no equivalent UseNet app that can do what this app does.

    - FindMy. I share location data with my family members. Maybe Android can
    do this, but since my wife and youngest son use iPhones, I must too.

    However I do use many Google services which I think are superior to
    anything Apple provides:
    Gmail, Calendar, Drive, Translate, Maps, Chrome, Voice, Docs, YouTube.

    In what way is Gmail "superior"? Is it that Google scrapes it to target
    you for advertisers?

    Calendar? Same question.


    So when it comes to the battle between Google and Apple, I’m fairly agnostic about them and use what works best for me.


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  • From News@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed May 1 12:15:14 2024
    On 5/1/2024 12:09 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-05-01 06:55, News wrote:
    On 4/30/2024 6:16 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 5:47:10 PM EDT, "News" <News@Group.Name> wrote:

    On 4/30/2024 5:28 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-time/ >>>>>>
    -- Galaxy Note 7
    -- HTC First
    -- Amazon Fire Phone
    -- Blackberry Storm
    -- Kyocera Echo
    -- Samsung Galaxy Fold
    -- RED Hydrogen One
    -- iPhone 6
    -- HTC EVO 3D
    -- V Mobile N8-N

    Nice list.  8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple.  Looks like >>>>> Apple is
    doing just fine.


    No 'worst' WinPhones

    That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to single one
    out of
    the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows Phones".

    Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs stole
    them, like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you know.
    1. The first Windows Phone came out more than 3 YEARS after the first
    iPhone.

    2. When the first Windows Phone was released in October 2010, the iPhone
    had already had an App Store for more than 2 years.

    3. Jobs didn't steal anything from Xerox PARC, and some of what you
    THINK was taken from there was actually invented by Apple.

    Win CE in 2002, but what do you know.

    Zerox PARC mouse and GUI, but what do you know.

    FOAD, poseur.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to News on Wed May 1 09:30:38 2024
    On 2024-05-01 09:15, News wrote:
    On 5/1/2024 12:09 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-05-01 06:55, News wrote:
    On 4/30/2024 6:16 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 5:47:10 PM EDT, "News" <News@Group.Name> wrote:

    On 4/30/2024 5:28 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-time/ >>>>>>>
    -- Galaxy Note 7
    -- HTC First
    -- Amazon Fire Phone
    -- Blackberry Storm
    -- Kyocera Echo
    -- Samsung Galaxy Fold
    -- RED Hydrogen One
    -- iPhone 6
    -- HTC EVO 3D
    -- V Mobile N8-N

    Nice list.  8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple.  Looks
    like Apple is
    doing just fine.


    No 'worst' WinPhones

    That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to single one
    out of
    the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows Phones".

    Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs stole
    them, like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you know.
    1. The first Windows Phone came out more than 3 YEARS after the first
    iPhone.

    2. When the first Windows Phone was released in October 2010, the
    iPhone had already had an App Store for more than 2 years.

    3. Jobs didn't steal anything from Xerox PARC, and some of what you
    THINK was taken from there was actually invented by Apple.

    Win CE in 2002, but what do you know.

    "Windows Phones" not "Windows phones".

    See the capital "P" there now, sunshine?

    Oh, and when you mentioned "tiles", you were definitely referencing the
    later Windows Phone.


    Zerox PARC mouse and GUI, but what do you know.

    1. The mouse existed PRIOR to PARC and Apple licensed it not from Xerox,
    but from SRI International.

    2. The GUI that Apple used had many differences from the one at Palo
    Alto Research Centre:

    'For more than a decade now, I've listened to the debate about where the Macintosh user interface came from. Most people assume it came directly
    from Xerox, after Steve Jobs went to visit Xerox PARC (Palo Alto
    Research Center). This "fact" is reported over and over, by people who
    don't know better (and also by people who should!). Unfortunately, it
    just isn't true - there are some similarities between the Apple
    interface and the various interfaces on Xerox systems, but the
    differences are substantial.'

    <https://www.folklore.org/On_Xerox,_Apple_and_Progress.html?sort=date>

    That's written by Bruce Horn:

    'Bruce Lawrence Horn (born 1959[1]) is a programmer. He created the
    original Macintosh Finder and the Macintosh Resource Manager for Apple Computer. His signature is amongst those molded to the case of the
    Macintosh 128K. He has been a distinguished engineer at Siri and
    Language Technologies at Apple since June 2022.'

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to News on Wed May 1 10:20:29 2024
    On 2024-05-01 10:19, News wrote:
    On 5/1/2024 12:30 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-05-01 09:15, News wrote:
    On 5/1/2024 12:09 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-05-01 06:55, News wrote:
    On 4/30/2024 6:16 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 5:47:10 PM EDT, "News" <News@Group.Name> wrote: >>>>>>
    On 4/30/2024 5:28 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-time/

    -- Galaxy Note 7
    -- HTC First
    -- Amazon Fire Phone
    -- Blackberry Storm
    -- Kyocera Echo
    -- Samsung Galaxy Fold
    -- RED Hydrogen One
    -- iPhone 6
    -- HTC EVO 3D
    -- V Mobile N8-N

    Nice list.  8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple.  Looks >>>>>>>> like Apple is
    doing just fine.


    No 'worst' WinPhones

    That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to single
    one out of
    the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows Phones".

    Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs stole
    them, like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you know.
    1. The first Windows Phone came out more than 3 YEARS after the first >>>> iPhone.

    2. When the first Windows Phone was released in October 2010, the
    iPhone had already had an App Store for more than 2 years.

    3. Jobs didn't steal anything from Xerox PARC, and some of what you
    THINK was taken from there was actually invented by Apple.

    Win CE in 2002, but what do you know.

    "Windows Phones" not "Windows phones".

    See the capital "P" there now, sunshine?

    Oh, and when you mentioned "tiles", you were definitely referencing
    the later Windows Phone.

    And you couldn't deal with any of this, huh?



    Zerox PARC mouse and GUI, but what do you know.

    1. The mouse existed PRIOR to PARC and Apple licensed it not from
    Xerox, but from SRI International.

    2. The GUI that Apple used had many differences from the one at Palo
    Alto Research Centre:

    'For more than a decade now, I've listened to the debate about where
    the Macintosh user interface came from. Most people assume it came
    directly from Xerox, after Steve Jobs went to visit Xerox PARC (Palo
    Alto Research Center). This "fact" is reported over and over, by
    people who don't know better (and also by people who should!).
    Unfortunately, it just isn't true - there are some similarities
    between the Apple interface and the various interfaces on Xerox
    systems, but the differences are substantial.'

    <https://www.folklore.org/On_Xerox,_Apple_and_Progress.html?sort=date>

    That's written by Bruce Horn:

    'Bruce Lawrence Horn (born 1959[1]) is a programmer. He created the
    original Macintosh Finder and the Macintosh Resource Manager for Apple
    Computer. His signature is amongst those molded to the case of the
    Macintosh 128K. He has been a distinguished engineer at Siri and
    Language Technologies at Apple since June 2022.'


    Sure poseur. Go fill some sandbags with your bullshit.

    Really?

    You won't take the word of Bruce Horn...

    ...who created the original Finder for the first Mac?

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From News@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed May 1 13:19:09 2024
    On 5/1/2024 12:30 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-05-01 09:15, News wrote:
    On 5/1/2024 12:09 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-05-01 06:55, News wrote:
    On 4/30/2024 6:16 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 5:47:10 PM EDT, "News" <News@Group.Name> wrote: >>>>>
    On 4/30/2024 5:28 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-time/ >>>>>>>>
    -- Galaxy Note 7
    -- HTC First
    -- Amazon Fire Phone
    -- Blackberry Storm
    -- Kyocera Echo
    -- Samsung Galaxy Fold
    -- RED Hydrogen One
    -- iPhone 6
    -- HTC EVO 3D
    -- V Mobile N8-N

    Nice list.  8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple.  Looks >>>>>>> like Apple is
    doing just fine.


    No 'worst' WinPhones

    That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to single
    one out of
    the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows Phones".

    Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs stole
    them, like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you know.
    1. The first Windows Phone came out more than 3 YEARS after the first
    iPhone.

    2. When the first Windows Phone was released in October 2010, the
    iPhone had already had an App Store for more than 2 years.

    3. Jobs didn't steal anything from Xerox PARC, and some of what you
    THINK was taken from there was actually invented by Apple.

    Win CE in 2002, but what do you know.

    "Windows Phones" not "Windows phones".

    See the capital "P" there now, sunshine?

    Oh, and when you mentioned "tiles", you were definitely referencing the
    later Windows Phone.


    Zerox PARC mouse and GUI, but what do you know.

    1. The mouse existed PRIOR to PARC and Apple licensed it not from Xerox,
    but from SRI International.

    2. The GUI that Apple used had many differences from the one at Palo
    Alto Research Centre:

    'For more than a decade now, I've listened to the debate about where the Macintosh user interface came from. Most people assume it came directly
    from Xerox, after Steve Jobs went to visit Xerox PARC (Palo Alto
    Research Center). This "fact" is reported over and over, by people who
    don't know better (and also by people who should!). Unfortunately, it
    just isn't true - there are some similarities between the Apple
    interface and the various interfaces on Xerox systems, but the
    differences are substantial.'

    <https://www.folklore.org/On_Xerox,_Apple_and_Progress.html?sort=date>

    That's written by Bruce Horn:

    'Bruce Lawrence Horn (born 1959[1]) is a programmer. He created the
    original Macintosh Finder and the Macintosh Resource Manager for Apple Computer. His signature is amongst those molded to the case of the
    Macintosh 128K. He has been a distinguished engineer at Siri and
    Language Technologies at Apple since June 2022.'


    Sure poseur. Go fill some sandbags with your bullshit.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From News@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed May 1 13:21:49 2024
    KB BS artist. His specialty.


    On 5/1/2024 1:20 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-05-01 10:19, News wrote:
    On 5/1/2024 12:30 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-05-01 09:15, News wrote:
    On 5/1/2024 12:09 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-05-01 06:55, News wrote:
    On 4/30/2024 6:16 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 5:47:10 PM EDT, "News" <News@Group.Name> wrote: >>>>>>>
    On 4/30/2024 5:28 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-time/

    -- Galaxy Note 7
    -- HTC First
    -- Amazon Fire Phone
    -- Blackberry Storm
    -- Kyocera Echo
    -- Samsung Galaxy Fold
    -- RED Hydrogen One
    -- iPhone 6
    -- HTC EVO 3D
    -- V Mobile N8-N

    Nice list.  8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple.  Looks >>>>>>>>> like Apple is
    doing just fine.


    No 'worst' WinPhones

    That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to single >>>>>>> one out of
    the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows Phones".

    Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs stole >>>>>> them, like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you know.
    1. The first Windows Phone came out more than 3 YEARS after the first >>>>> iPhone.

    2. When the first Windows Phone was released in October 2010, the
    iPhone had already had an App Store for more than 2 years.

    3. Jobs didn't steal anything from Xerox PARC, and some of what you
    THINK was taken from there was actually invented by Apple.

    Win CE in 2002, but what do you know.

    "Windows Phones" not "Windows phones".

    See the capital "P" there now, sunshine?

    Oh, and when you mentioned "tiles", you were definitely referencing
    the later Windows Phone.

    And you couldn't deal with any of this, huh?



    Zerox PARC mouse and GUI, but what do you know.

    1. The mouse existed PRIOR to PARC and Apple licensed it not from
    Xerox, but from SRI International.

    2. The GUI that Apple used had many differences from the one at Palo
    Alto Research Centre:

    'For more than a decade now, I've listened to the debate about where
    the Macintosh user interface came from. Most people assume it came
    directly from Xerox, after Steve Jobs went to visit Xerox PARC (Palo
    Alto Research Center). This "fact" is reported over and over, by
    people who don't know better (and also by people who should!).
    Unfortunately, it just isn't true - there are some similarities
    between the Apple interface and the various interfaces on Xerox
    systems, but the differences are substantial.'

    <https://www.folklore.org/On_Xerox,_Apple_and_Progress.html?sort=date>

    That's written by Bruce Horn:

    'Bruce Lawrence Horn (born 1959[1]) is a programmer. He created the
    original Macintosh Finder and the Macintosh Resource Manager for
    Apple Computer. His signature is amongst those molded to the case of
    the Macintosh 128K. He has been a distinguished engineer at Siri and
    Language Technologies at Apple since June 2022.'


    Sure poseur. Go fill some sandbags with your bullshit.

    Really?

    You won't take the word of Bruce Horn...

    ...who created the original Finder for the first Mac?

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed May 1 17:38:32 2024
    On May 1, 2024 at 1:20:29 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    Sure poseur. Go fill some sandbags with your bullshit.

    Really?

    You won't take the word of Bruce Horn...

    ...who created the original Finder for the first Mac?

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    Because Arlen knows everything.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to News on Wed May 1 10:37:56 2024
    On 2024-05-01 10:21, News wrote:
    KB BS artist. His specialty.

    Gibberish: your specialty.



    On 5/1/2024 1:20 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-05-01 10:19, News wrote:
    On 5/1/2024 12:30 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-05-01 09:15, News wrote:
    On 5/1/2024 12:09 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2024-05-01 06:55, News wrote:
    On 4/30/2024 6:16 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 5:47:10 PM EDT, "News" <News@Group.Name> wrote: >>>>>>>>
    On 4/30/2024 5:28 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM EDT, ""badgolferman""
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.slashgear.com/798620/the-10-worst-smartphones-of-all-time/

    -- Galaxy Note 7
    -- HTC First
    -- Amazon Fire Phone
    -- Blackberry Storm
    -- Kyocera Echo
    -- Samsung Galaxy Fold
    -- RED Hydrogen One
    -- iPhone 6
    -- HTC EVO 3D
    -- V Mobile N8-N

    Nice list.  8 Android phones, 1 Blackberry and 1 Apple.  Looks >>>>>>>>>> like Apple is
    doing just fine.


    No 'worst' WinPhones

    That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to single >>>>>>>> one out of
    the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows Phones".

    Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs
    stole them, like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you know.
    1. The first Windows Phone came out more than 3 YEARS after the
    first
    iPhone.

    2. When the first Windows Phone was released in October 2010, the
    iPhone had already had an App Store for more than 2 years.

    3. Jobs didn't steal anything from Xerox PARC, and some of what
    you THINK was taken from there was actually invented by Apple.

    Win CE in 2002, but what do you know.

    "Windows Phones" not "Windows phones".

    See the capital "P" there now, sunshine?

    Oh, and when you mentioned "tiles", you were definitely referencing
    the later Windows Phone.

    And you couldn't deal with any of this, huh?



    Zerox PARC mouse and GUI, but what do you know.

    1. The mouse existed PRIOR to PARC and Apple licensed it not from
    Xerox, but from SRI International.

    2. The GUI that Apple used had many differences from the one at Palo
    Alto Research Centre:

    'For more than a decade now, I've listened to the debate about where
    the Macintosh user interface came from. Most people assume it came
    directly from Xerox, after Steve Jobs went to visit Xerox PARC (Palo
    Alto Research Center). This "fact" is reported over and over, by
    people who don't know better (and also by people who should!).
    Unfortunately, it just isn't true - there are some similarities
    between the Apple interface and the various interfaces on Xerox
    systems, but the differences are substantial.'

    <https://www.folklore.org/On_Xerox,_Apple_and_Progress.html?sort=date> >>>>
    That's written by Bruce Horn:

    'Bruce Lawrence Horn (born 1959[1]) is a programmer. He created the
    original Macintosh Finder and the Macintosh Resource Manager for
    Apple Computer. His signature is amongst those molded to the case of
    the Macintosh 128K. He has been a distinguished engineer at Siri and
    Language Technologies at Apple since June 2022.'


    Sure poseur. Go fill some sandbags with your bullshit.

    Really?

    You won't take the word of Bruce Horn...

    ...who created the original Finder for the first Mac?

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL


    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Wed May 1 12:00:16 2024
    On 2024-05-01 10:38, Tyrone wrote:
    On May 1, 2024 at 1:20:29 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    Sure poseur. Go fill some sandbags with your bullshit.

    Really?

    You won't take the word of Bruce Horn...

    ...who created the original Finder for the first Mac?

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    Because Arlen knows everything.

    "News" is many things...

    (Mostly a whiny little jerk)

    ...but he is not Arlen.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed May 1 19:16:57 2024
    Alan wrote:

    On 2024-05-01 06:55, News wrote:
    On 4/30/2024 6:16 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 5:47:10 PM EDT, "News" wrote:

    No 'worst' WinPhones

    That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to
    single one out of the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows
    Phones".

    Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs
    stole them, like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you
    know. 1. The first Windows Phone came out more than 3 YEARS
    after the first iPhone.

    2. When the first Windows Phone was released in October 2010,
    the iPhone had already had an App Store for more than 2 years.

    FWIW, I had a windows phone back in the day, a Nokia Lumia 530.
    I thought it'd be great to have a phone that had an OS similar
    to Windows. (The tiles looked cool.) How wrong I was! It turned
    out to be a pile of shit, constantly overheating and freezing if
    you tried to actually do anything on it.

    It's a travesty that no Windows phone features on a list of 'Top
    Ten Worst Smartphones'.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed May 1 12:22:45 2024
    On 2024-05-01 12:04, badgolferman wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    In what way is Gmail "superior"? Is it that Google scrapes it to target
    you for advertisers?


    Labels. Spam filtering. Rules.

    You can label emails in Apple mail, or you can put them into folders,
    which is what Gmail calls "labels.

    You can filter Spam (did you know that Google deliberately mislabels
    email as spam so that they can see if you actually find it important?).

    Apple Mail has rules.

    Next.


    Calendar? Same question.


    More powerful scheduling options. Sharing between users. Overall desktop
    look and feel.

    "Powerful"? Like what?

    You can share Apple's calenders.


    I use the iOS calendar in my phone, but it pulls all my appointments from
    the Google calendar.

    I don’t use Macs so I don’t use Apple desktop applications. Using Google via Windows desktop is much simpler for me.

    So your complaints are actually based on services you've not actually
    tried to use.

    Got it.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Wed May 1 12:20:03 2024
    On 2024-05-01 12:16, Blueshirt wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2024-05-01 06:55, News wrote:
    On 4/30/2024 6:16 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 30, 2024 at 5:47:10 PM EDT, "News" wrote:

    No 'worst' WinPhones

    That's because they all sucked. It would be impossible to
    single one out of the huge, ugly mess that was "Windows
    Phones".

    Had apps, tiles, and native Office functionality before Jobs
    stole them, like he did from Xerox PARC, but what do you
    know. 1. The first Windows Phone came out more than 3 YEARS
    after the first iPhone.

    2. When the first Windows Phone was released in October 2010,
    the iPhone had already had an App Store for more than 2 years.

    FWIW, I had a windows phone back in the day, a Nokia Lumia 530.
    I thought it'd be great to have a phone that had an OS similar
    to Windows. (The tiles looked cool.) How wrong I was! It turned
    out to be a pile of shit, constantly overheating and freezing if
    you tried to actually do anything on it.

    It's a travesty that no Windows phone features on a list of 'Top
    Ten Worst Smartphones'.

    Uh-huh.

    And never forget that all of this sprang from Microsoft's ill-advised
    attempt to create one OS that would be used everywhere: Windows 8.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Oscar Mayer on Wed May 1 20:20:22 2024
    Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote:

    [snip]

    It's no longer amazing how desperate you Apple Jihadists are to claim a win when Apple only makes one line of phones, the iPhone, while Android makes hundreds, the Galaxy line being only one of dozens for Samsung alone.

    Android is an operating system. How is Android a phone maker? Samsung makes phones that run Android as does Motorola and others.

    You’re a wiener Arlen.

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  • From Wilf@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Thu May 2 11:58:37 2024
    On 02/05/2024 at 11:25, badgolferman wrote:
    You can label emails in Apple mail, or you can put them into folders,
    which is what Gmail calls "labels.
    Labels are different than folders. Multiple labels can be assigned to
    the same message and the label can be colored to your desire, thus
    making it easily recognizable when the filter has assigned that label
    and it's sitting unread in your Inbox. Labels are a far more elegant
    way of sorting your messages. Of course you won't agree because you've
    never used them to their full extent. Also I've been a Gmail user
    since the days it was invitation only and I'm not switching now.

    I love the Gmail way of labelling emails. It's true that in iOS Mail,
    as in many other mail clients, including Thunderbird on Windows and
    elsewhere, those labels are mapped to folders, but with labels visible
    on each email you can see ALL of the folders in which it occurs without searching. The reason I use the Gmail app as opposed to Mail is
    absolutely because of the visibility of the Gmail labels. If Mail could
    do that, I'd change over to it in a heartbeat.

    --
    Wilf

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Wilf on Thu May 2 15:40:10 2024
    Wilf wrote on Thu, 2 May 2024 11:58:37 +0100 :

    The reason I use the Gmail app as opposed to Mail is
    absolutely because of the visibility of the Gmail labels. If Mail could
    do that, I'd change over to it in a heartbeat.

    IMHO, GMail is superior to anything that Apple has ever provided for mail.

    This discussion shows why people have to be open minded when it comes to functionality that is available in two different apps, since it boils down
    to personal preferences - where neither is right nor wrong in choosing that they "prefer" the Apple Mail app or the Google GMail app on the iOS device.

    In fact, I _only_ use GMail on my Apple devices, as the GMail app on an
    Android device will unilaterally _create_ a tracking "Account" on that
    Android device (where the technically competent are well aware that the
    first rule of privacy on a mobile device is not to have any tracking
    accounts associated with that device when the account info is queried).

    Not all Google apps create an account on the Android device though.

    The Google Maps app, for example, does not create an account on the Android device, so I use Google Maps on Android instead of using it on iOS.

    But the Google Voice app _does_ create an account on the device, so that's
    why I only use Google Voice on my iPads and iPhones, which, to be clear, already have an account on the device since tracking is what Apple does.

    Since the Google GMail app works fine in iOS but it creates a tracking
    account on Android, I chose to make my default MUA on Android the best free open source privacy aware mobile phone MUA, which works fine for me.

    *FairEmail*, privacy aware email by Marcel Bokhorst, FairCode BV, FOSS
    Free, ad free, gsf free, 4.6 star, 24.3K reviews, 500K+ Downloads
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.faircode.email>
    <https://email.faircode.eu/>
    <https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases>
    <https://f-droid.org/en/packages/eu.faircode.email/>
    <https://www.xda-developers.com/fairemail-email-app-privacy-conscious-android/>
    <https://www.xda-developers.com/fairemail-open-source-privacy-friendly-email/>

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  • From Oscar Mayer@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 2 12:20:38 2024
    On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:20:22 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

    Android is an operating system. How is Android a phone maker? Samsung makes phones that run Android as does Motorola and others.

    "Buy your mom an iphone" said Tim Cook when asked how to make the iPhone
    work in the real world.

    The fact remains the iPhone can't do anything near what a real phone does.
    The iPhone is a toy.

    A dumb-terminal toy that doesn't even work in the real world.
    That's exactly what Apple designed it to be.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Thu May 2 09:34:55 2024
    On 2024-05-01 10:38, Tyrone wrote:
    On May 1, 2024 at 1:20:29 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    Sure poseur. Go fill some sandbags with your bullshit.

    Really?

    You won't take the word of Bruce Horn...

    ...who created the original Finder for the first Mac?

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    Because Arlen knows everything.

    You notice he's crawled off, though.

    ;-)

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Oscar Mayer on Thu May 2 20:05:17 2024
    Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:20:22 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

    Android is an operating system. How is Android a phone maker? Samsung makes >> phones that run Android as does Motorola and others.

    "Buy your mom an iphone" said Tim Cook when asked how to make the iPhone
    work in the real world.

    The fact remains the iPhone can't do anything near what a real phone does. The iPhone is a toy.

    A dumb-terminal toy that doesn't even work in the real world.
    That's exactly what Apple designed it to be.

    Hey you dishonest redacting jackass, I was responding to what you snipped where you spewed: “…Apple only makes one line of phones, the iPhone, while Android makes hundreds, the Galaxy line being only one of dozens for
    Samsung alone.â€

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 2 20:10:03 2024
    *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:20:22 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

    Android is an operating system. How is Android a phone maker? Samsung makes >>> phones that run Android as does Motorola and others.

    "Buy your mom an iphone" said Tim Cook when asked how to make the iPhone
    work in the real world.

    The fact remains the iPhone can't do anything near what a real phone does. >> The iPhone is a toy.

    A dumb-terminal toy that doesn't even work in the real world.
    That's exactly what Apple designed it to be.

    Hey you dishonest redacting jackass, I was responding to what you snipped where you spewed: “…Apple only makes one line of phones, the iPhone, while
    Android makes hundreds, the Galaxy line being only one of dozens for
    Samsung alone.â€


    He's not being honest, but you often aren't either, Homodactylus.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Fri May 3 09:50:22 2024
    Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:20:22 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

    Android is an operating system. How is Android a phone maker? Samsung makes
    phones that run Android as does Motorola and others.

    "Buy your mom an iphone" said Tim Cook when asked how to make the iPhone >>> work in the real world.

    The fact remains the iPhone can't do anything near what a real phone does. >>> The iPhone is a toy.

    A dumb-terminal toy that doesn't even work in the real world.
    That's exactly what Apple designed it to be.

    Hey you dishonest redacting jackass, I was responding to what you snipped >> where you spewed: “…Apple only makes one line of phones, the iPhone, while
    Android makes hundreds, the Galaxy line being only one of dozens for
    Samsung alone.â€Â


    He's not being honest, but you often aren't either, Homodactylus.

    Ah, homophobia suits you Mr Hanky Poo.

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  • From Oscar Mayer@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 3 08:58:27 2024
    On Fri, 03 May 2024 09:50:22 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

    He's not being honest, but you often aren't either, Homodactylus.

    Ah, homophobia suits you Mr Hanky Poo.

    All the Apple religious-nutcase jihadi have an IQ that compels them to
    respond to criticism of Apple using nothing more than third-grade insults.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Oscar Mayer on Fri May 3 14:40:25 2024
    Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 03 May 2024 09:50:22 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

    He's not being honest, but you often aren't either, Homodactylus.

    Ah, homophobia suits you Mr Hanky Poo.

    All the Apple religious-nutcase jihadi have an IQ that compels them to respond to criticism of Apple using nothing more than third-grade insults.

    Is Android a phonemaker as you said but refuse to follow up on?

    BTW “Apple religious-nutcase jihadi†is an elementary school level insult.

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  • From Oscar Mayer@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 4 09:42:32 2024
    On Fri, 03 May 2024 14:40:25 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

    BTW ´Apple religious-nutcase jihadi¡ is an elementary school level insult.

    How would *you* describe the fact that you defend Apple to the death no
    matter what the perceived insult, much like the religious jihadi do?

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Oscar Mayer on Sat May 4 17:31:26 2024
    Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 03 May 2024 14:40:25 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

    BTW “Apple religious-nutcase jihadi†is an elementary school level insult.

    How would *you* describe the fact that you defend Apple to the death no matter what the perceived insult, much like the religious jihadi do?

    Do you actually believe: “…Apple only makes one line of phones, the iPhone, while Android makes hundreds, the Galaxy line being only one of dozens for Samsung alone.� Android is a phonemaker?

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to ecphoric@allspamis.invalid on Mon May 6 22:29:40 2024
    *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
    Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 03 May 2024 14:40:25 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

    BTW “Apple religious-nutcase jihadi†is an elementary school level insult.

    How would *you* describe the fact that you defend Apple to the death no
    matter what the perceived insult, much like the religious jihadi do?

    Do you actually believe: “…Apple only makes one line of phones, the iPhone,
    while Android makes hundreds, the Galaxy line being only one of dozens for Samsung alone.� Android is a phonemaker?

    Notice how Arlen dodges this question?

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