On 2024-06-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

A man is preparing to sue Apple for more than £5 million after
‘deleted messages’ he sent to sex workers were discovered by his wife.

The unfaithful husband claims that Apple’s lack of transparency over deleted messages has led to his wife filing for divorce.

Richard, not his real name, is reportedly a middle aged man from
England, and revealed to The Times that he had turned to sex workers
in the final years of his marriage. He would contact them via the
iMessages app on his iPhone before deleting the incriminating texts.

However, when his wife went on the family iMac, the messages, going
back several years, popped up despite him believing he had deleted
them.

She filed for divorce within a month.

He told The Times: ‘If you are told a message is deleted, you are
entitled to believe it’s deleted.

The guy didn't have Messages in iCloud enabled, so when he deleted them
from one device they remained on the other devices signed into the same
iCloud account. Expecting them to be deleted from his other devices
despite not having Messages in iCloud enabled is irrational. His
"problem" is the result of user error. So, like so many others, this
frivolous lawsuit will go nowhere. 😉

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On Jun 14, 2024 at 5:52:27 PM EDT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2024-06-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

A man is preparing to sue Apple for more than £5 million after
‘deleted messages’ he sent to sex workers were discovered by his wife. >>
The unfaithful husband claims that Apple’s lack of transparency over
deleted messages has led to his wife filing for divorce.

Richard, not his real name, is reportedly a middle aged man from
England, and revealed to The Times that he had turned to sex workers
in the final years of his marriage. He would contact them via the
iMessages app on his iPhone before deleting the incriminating texts.

However, when his wife went on the family iMac, the messages, going
back several years, popped up despite him believing he had deleted
them.

She filed for divorce within a month.

He told The Times: ‘If you are told a message is deleted, you are
entitled to believe it’s deleted.

The guy didn't have Messages in iCloud enabled, so when he deleted them
from one device they remained on the other devices signed into the same iCloud account. Expecting them to be deleted from his other devices
despite not having Messages in iCloud enabled is irrational. His
"problem" is the result of user error. So, like so many others, this frivolous lawsuit will go nowhere. 😉

The whole idea that "Apple caused my divorce" is absurd. Agreed, this case will go nowhere.

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On 2024-06-14 22:42:48 +0000, Tyrone said:

On Jun 14, 2024 at 5:52:27 PM EDT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2024-06-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

A man is preparing to sue Apple for more than £5 million after
‘deleted messages’ he sent to sex workers were discovered by his wife. >>>
The unfaithful husband claims that Apple’s lack of transparency over
deleted messages has led to his wife filing for divorce.

Richard, not his real name, is reportedly a middle aged man from
England, and revealed to The Times that he had turned to sex workers
in the final years of his marriage. He would contact them via the
iMessages app on his iPhone before deleting the incriminating texts.

However, when his wife went on the family iMac, the messages, going
back several years, popped up despite him believing he had deleted
them.

She filed for divorce within a month.

He told The Times: ‘If you are told a message is deleted, you are
entitled to believe it’s deleted.

The guy didn't have Messages in iCloud enabled, so when he deleted them
from one device they remained on the other devices signed into the same
iCloud account. Expecting them to be deleted from his other devices
despite not having Messages in iCloud enabled is irrational. His
"problem" is the result of user error. So, like so many others, this
frivolous lawsuit will go nowhere. 😉

The whole idea that "Apple caused my divorce" is absurd. Agreed, this case will go nowhere.

There's a similar stupidity here in New Zealand. There are lots of
people complaining that the banks do not do enough to "protect" people
from scams because a few morons have lost lots of their money by
transferring it to scammers.

It's not up to the banks to police what you do with your own money!
What happened to taking responsibility for your own actions?? Using
some common sense?? These complaining fools want a nanny state to
protect them from everything, and then they'll complain about being
"spied" on and about needing to pay increased fees.

What next? Do they expect the bank to tell them what fast food meals
they can and cannot buy to eat?? What shirts they can and cannot buy??
And then expect a bank refund when what they don't like whatever they
chose themselves to purchase??

The human race is becoming more and more stupid. :-\

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On Jun 14, 2024 at 10:08:50 PM EDT, "Andrew" <andrew@spam.net> wrote:

badgolferman wrote on Fri, 14 Jun 2024 21:43:46 -0000 (UTC) :

He told The Times: If you are told a message is deleted,
you are entitled to believe its deleted.
https://metro.co.uk/2024/06/14/man-plans-sue-apple-deleted-messages-reveal-cheated-21035147/

The man's argument is:
"In my opinion it's all because Apple told me my messages were
deleted when they weren't. If the message had said, 'These messages
are deleted on this device', that would have been a clue, or
'These messages are deleted on this device only' that would
have been even better."

None of that matters, even if it IS true.

What if he cheated, and the "sex worker" told his wife? So he sues the "sex worker"? Would that be a viable case?

Of course not. "In my opinion it's all because the sex worker told me she
would not tell anyone, but then she did."

Tough shit, asshole. You cheated and you got caught. You have no one to blame but yourself. YOU are the cause of your divorce. No one else.

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On 2024-06-15, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2024-06-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

A man is preparing to sue Apple for more than £5 million after
‘deleted messages’ he sent to sex workers were discovered by his
wife.

The unfaithful husband claims that Apple’s lack of transparency over
deleted messages has led to his wife filing for divorce.

Richard, not his real name, is reportedly a middle aged man from
England, and revealed to The Times that he had turned to sex workers
in the final years of his marriage. He would contact them via the
iMessages app on his iPhone before deleting the incriminating texts.

However, when his wife went on the family iMac, the messages, going
back several years, popped up despite him believing he had deleted
them.

She filed for divorce within a month.

He told The Times: ‘If you are told a message is deleted, you are
entitled to believe it’s deleted.

The guy didn't have Messages in iCloud enabled, so when he deleted
them from one device they remained on the other devices signed into
the same iCloud account. Expecting them to be deleted from his other
devices despite not having Messages in iCloud enabled is irrational.
His "problem" is the result of user error. So, like so many others,
this frivolous lawsuit will go nowhere. 😉

The behavior of that setting is the first time I’ve heard it described
this way. I doubt the average person would know to enable that setting
to delete their messages on the him computer too.

The average person doesn't know much at all, so that's no surprise.

If that setting was not enabled on his phone, how did his messages
even make it to iCloud for them to be replicated on the iMac?

My goodness... You're showing a clear lack of understanding of how
iMessage (or even iCloud) works. Any device of yours that is signed into
iCloud with iMessage enabled can receive messages sent to you. Those
messages are not stored in iCloud, but on each device that receives
them, which means deleting a message from one device will not
automatically delete it from your other devices. However, if you enable Messages in iCloud (an optional and opt-in service), your messages are
stored in iCloud, where if you delete a message from one device, it is
also deleted from iCloud and your other devices. This same concept
applies to Photos, Contacts, Calendar events, and so on. It's literally
the way iCloud has worked since the beginning.

I know you boys desperately want to make this little mole hill out to be
a mountain, but it's literally just a case of user error. And this
cheating asshole getting what's coming to him is icing on the cake.

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