• Re: apple intelligence not so intelligent

    From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Thu Jan 16 11:47:22 2025
    On 2025-01-16 08:02, badgolferman wrote:
    Apple has come under intense scrutiny for rolling out an underbaked AI-powered feature that summarizes breaking news — while often
    butchering it beyond recognition.
    They're all "underbaked" right now, Sunshine.

    This is not news to anyone who has actually been paying attention.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Your Name on Thu Jan 16 13:20:41 2025
    On 2025-01-16 13:15, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-16 16:02:46 +0000, badgolferman said:

    Apple has come under intense scrutiny for rolling out an underbaked
    AI-powered feature that summarizes breaking news — while often
    butchering it beyond recognition.
    <snip>

    So, no different to any other idiotic AI nonsense. They should all be
    avoided by any sane person because they're all just useless, over-hyped
    crap that they are. Hopefully it will be just another quickly gone tech
    fad.


    I don't agree with the last part.

    This is the early-excitement-turning-to-disillusionment phase of AI.

    It clearly will become better and more important.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Fri Jan 17 10:15:22 2025
    On 2025-01-16 16:02:46 +0000, badgolferman said:

    Apple has come under intense scrutiny for rolling out an underbaked AI-powered feature that summarizes breaking news — while often
    butchering it beyond recognition.
    <snip>

    So, no different to any other idiotic AI nonsense. They should all be
    avoided by any sane person because they're all just useless, over-hyped
    crap that they are. Hopefully it will be just another quickly gone tech
    fad.

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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to Your Name on Thu Jan 16 17:18:10 2025
    On 1/16/2025 4:15 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-16 16:02:46 +0000, badgolferman said:

    Apple has come under intense scrutiny for rolling out an underbaked
    AI-powered feature that summarizes breaking news — while often
    butchering it beyond recognition.
    <snip>

    So, no different to any other idiotic AI nonsense. They should all be
    avoided by any sane person because they're all just useless, over-hyped
    crap that they are. Hopefully it will be just another quickly gone tech
    fad.


    AI is nothing more than software, which means that, like any other
    software program, it is only as good as it the way it is programmed. I
    agree that a lot of AI isn't very good (and Apple is clearly on that
    list), but from the limited testing I have done, I think certain more
    mature LLM products like ChatGPT and Copilot are actually quite useful
    when used properly.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Rick on Fri Jan 17 12:55:42 2025
    On 2025-01-16 22:18:10 +0000, Rick said:

    On 1/16/2025 4:15 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-16 16:02:46 +0000, badgolferman said:

    Apple has come under intense scrutiny for rolling out an underbaked
    AI-powered feature that summarizes breaking news — while often
    butchering it beyond recognition.
    <snip>

    So, no different to any other idiotic AI nonsense. They should all be
    avoided by any sane person because they're all just useless, over-hyped
    crap that they are. Hopefully it will be just another quickly gone tech
    fad.


    AI is nothing more than software, which means that, like any other
    software program, it is only as good as it the way it is programmed.

    And hence why so-called "Artifical Intelligence" is not actually
    intelligence of any kind. It's simpl;y a computer program doing what it
    has been programmed to do. It does NOT "learn" and it does NOT "think",
    and it can never do either of those things.



    I agree that a lot of AI isn't very good (and Apple is clearly on that
    list), but from the limited testing I have done, I think certain more
    mature LLM products like ChatGPT and Copilot are actually quite useful
    when used properly.

    Not really. ChatGPT has numerous issues as well.

    When it comes to the uselessness of "AI, you just have to look at the
    absymal images that it creates - people with three hands, buildings
    floating in mid-air, ...

    The really scary part is that morons are trusting this garbage to do
    important work like medical diagnosis and supposed self-driving cars!!
    :-(

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Your Name on Thu Jan 16 16:00:30 2025
    On 2025-01-16 15:55, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-16 22:18:10 +0000, Rick said:

    On 1/16/2025 4:15 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-16 16:02:46 +0000, badgolferman said:

    Apple has come under intense scrutiny for rolling out an underbaked
    AI-powered feature that summarizes breaking news — while often
    butchering it beyond recognition.
    <snip>

    So, no different to any other idiotic AI nonsense. They should all be
    avoided by any sane person because they're all just useless, over-
    hyped crap that they are. Hopefully it will be just another quickly
    gone tech fad.


    AI is nothing more than software, which means that, like any other
    software program, it is only as good as it the way it is programmed.

    And hence why so-called "Artifical Intelligence" is not actually
    intelligence of any kind. It's simpl;y a computer program doing what it
    has been programmed to do. It does NOT "learn" and it does NOT "think",
    and it can never do either of those things.

    Never say "never".

    Evolutionary algorithms are already a thing, and they're only going to
    get better.




    I agree that a lot of AI isn't very good (and Apple is clearly on that
    list), but from the limited testing I have done, I think certain more
    mature LLM products like ChatGPT and Copilot are actually quite useful
    when used properly.

    Not really. ChatGPT has numerous issues as well.

    When it comes to the uselessness of "AI, you just have to look at the
    absymal images that it creates - people with three hands, buildings
    floating in mid-air, ...

    That doesn't speak to its utility.


    The really scary part is that morons are trusting this garbage to do important work like medical diagnosis and supposed self-driving cars!! :-(
    I agree with this entirely.

    I just had a conversation yesterday with a client and friend of mine
    who's an MD, and he was interested in starting to use AI to assist in diagnosing patients. I stressed to him that, while it could be a useful
    tool in theory, it cannot at least for now (and probably for quite a
    while) be trusted with anything critical. The trained professional was
    very much still the one who needs to be in charge.

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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to Your Name on Thu Jan 16 19:48:49 2025
    On 1/16/2025 6:55 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-16 22:18:10 +0000, Rick said:

    On 1/16/2025 4:15 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-16 16:02:46 +0000, badgolferman said:

    Apple has come under intense scrutiny for rolling out an underbaked
    AI-powered feature that summarizes breaking news — while often
    butchering it beyond recognition.
    <snip>

    So, no different to any other idiotic AI nonsense. They should all be
    avoided by any sane person because they're all just useless,
    over-hyped crap that they are. Hopefully it will be just another
    quickly gone tech fad.


    AI is nothing more than software, which means that, like any other
    software program, it is only as good as it the way it is programmed.

    And hence why so-called "Artifical Intelligence" is not actually
    intelligence of any kind. It's simpl;y a computer program doing what it
    has been programmed to do. It does NOT "learn" and it does NOT "think",
    and it can never do either of those things.



    I agree that a lot of AI isn't very good (and Apple is clearly on that
    list), but from the limited testing I have done, I think certain more
    mature LLM products like ChatGPT and Copilot are actually quite useful
    when used properly.

    Not really. ChatGPT has numerous issues as well.


    That's why I say "when used properly".

    When it comes to the uselessness of "AI, you just have to look at the
    absymal images that it creates - people with three hands, buildings
    floating in mid-air, ...

    The really scary part is that morons are trusting this garbage to do important work like medical diagnosis and supposed self-driving cars!! :-(




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  • From Paul Goodman@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Fri Jan 17 02:38:15 2025
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-01-16 08:02, badgolferman wrote:
    Apple has come under intense scrutiny for rolling out an underbaked
    AI-powered feature that summarizes breaking news — while often
    butchering it beyond recognition.
    They're all "underbaked" right now, Sunshine.

    This is not news to anyone who has actually been paying attention.


    Yes they are, but that’s not the issue here. Apple knows their version is not good enough but still pushes it out to users. They should not be using their customers as unwilling beta testers.

    Apple is not pushing it out to unwilling beta testers. You have to choose
    to download and install it beyond the IOS upgrade. It is an option and not forced on you.

    --
    Paul Goodman

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  • From Enrico Papaloma@21:1/5 to Rick on Fri Jan 17 05:41:06 2025
    On 1/17/2025 1:48 AM, Rick wrote:
    Not really. ChatGPT has numerous issues as well.


    That's why I say "when used properly".

    The one major difference between what people call "AI" and what people call
    a "search" is, in my opinion, that the so-called AI "generates" information whereas the search only gives you information that is already out there.

    Of course, there are a few lawsuits arguing that the AI was trained on the information that is out there so that distinction may be muddied a bit.

    But overall, I think the distinction is "generation" versus "reflection."

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  • From Gelato@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Thu Jan 16 23:42:27 2025
    On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 02:45:42 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

    Apple is not pushing it out to unwilling beta testers. You have to choose
    to download and install it beyond the IOS upgrade. It is an option and not >> forced on you.


    Users are being fed bad data by Apple Intelligence and the company knows
    it. Why don¢t they make it more mature before rolling it out?

    It's kind of like Apple Maps was in the early years where Apple felt
    pressured to produce something due to the dominance of competitive product.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Rick on Fri Jan 17 18:38:46 2025
    On 2025-01-17 00:48:49 +0000, Rick said:
    On 1/16/2025 6:55 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-16 22:18:10 +0000, Rick said:
    On 1/16/2025 4:15 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-16 16:02:46 +0000, badgolferman said:

    Apple has come under intense scrutiny for rolling out an underbaked
    AI-powered feature that summarizes breaking news — while often
    butchering it beyond recognition.
    <snip>

    So, no different to any other idiotic AI nonsense. They should all be
    avoided by any sane person because they're all just useless, over-hyped >>>> crap that they are. Hopefully it will be just another quickly gone tech >>>> fad.


    AI is nothing more than software, which means that, like any other
    software program, it is only as good as it the way it is programmed.

    And hence why so-called "Artifical Intelligence" is not actually
    intelligence of any kind. It's simpl;y a computer program doing what it
    has been programmed to do. It does NOT "learn" and it does NOT "think",
    and it can never do either of those things.



    I agree that a lot of AI isn't very good (and Apple is clearly on that
    list), but from the limited testing I have done, I think certain more
    mature LLM products like ChatGPT and Copilot are actually quite useful
    when used properly.

    Not really. ChatGPT has numerous issues as well.

    That's why I say "when used properly".

    You can use it as "properly" as you like, but the entire idea is
    massively flawed, so it will never work properly at all. AI is simply
    useless, over-hyped crap that all the idiot tech companies are jumping
    on the bandwagon of as the latest fad.



    When it comes to the uselessness of "AI, you just have to look at the
    absymal images that it creates - people with three hands, buildings
    floating in mid-air, ...

    The really scary part is that morons are trusting this garbage to do
    important work like medical diagnosis and supposed self-driving cars!!
    :-(

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Paul Goodman on Fri Jan 17 18:28:35 2025
    On 2025-01-17 02:38:15 +0000, Paul Goodman said:

    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-01-16 08:02, badgolferman wrote:
    Apple has come under intense scrutiny for rolling out an underbaked
    AI-powered feature that summarizes breaking news — while often
    butchering it beyond recognition.
    They're all "underbaked" right now, Sunshine.

    This is not news to anyone who has actually been paying attention.


    Yes they are, but that’s not the issue here. Apple knows their version is >> not good enough but still pushes it out to users. They should not be using >> their customers as unwilling beta testers.

    Apple is not pushing it out to unwilling beta testers. You have to choose
    to download and install it beyond the IOS upgrade. It is an option and not forced on you.

    Apple has reportedly shut down the AI new summaries while it figures
    out how to make it less error-ridden ... good luck with that! AI is all
    utter crap best thrown in the bin.

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  • From John Hill@21:1/5 to Your Name on Fri Jan 17 08:23:53 2025
    On 17 Jan 2025 at 05:38:46 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    On 2025-01-17 00:48:49 +0000, Rick said:
    On 1/16/2025 6:55 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-16 22:18:10 +0000, Rick said:
    On 1/16/2025 4:15 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-16 16:02:46 +0000, badgolferman said:

    Apple has come under intense scrutiny for rolling out an underbaked >>>>>> AI-powered feature that summarizes breaking news — while often
    butchering it beyond recognition.
    <snip>

    So, no different to any other idiotic AI nonsense. They should all be >>>>> avoided by any sane person because they're all just useless, over-hyped >>>>> crap that they are. Hopefully it will be just another quickly gone tech >>>>> fad.


    AI is nothing more than software, which means that, like any other
    software program, it is only as good as it the way it is programmed.

    And hence why so-called "Artifical Intelligence" is not actually
    intelligence of any kind. It's simpl;y a computer program doing what it
    has been programmed to do. It does NOT "learn" and it does NOT "think",
    and it can never do either of those things.



    I agree that a lot of AI isn't very good (and Apple is clearly on that >>>> list), but from the limited testing I have done, I think certain more
    mature LLM products like ChatGPT and Copilot are actually quite useful >>>> when used properly.

    Not really. ChatGPT has numerous issues as well.

    That's why I say "when used properly".

    You can use it as "properly" as you like, but the entire idea is
    massively flawed, so it will never work properly at all. AI is simply useless, over-hyped crap that all the idiot tech companies are jumping
    on the bandwagon of as the latest fad.


    And not only the tech companies. The Labour government has announced a massive programme to explore, enhance and encourage the use of AI.
    Me, I'm with the sceptics. I've turned it off on my iMac and my mobile devices are to old to engage with it.
    Remember the dot com bubble of the early 2000s? Marconi went for it and went bust as a result. Probably others less well established ones too.



    When it comes to the uselessness of "AI, you just have to look at the
    absymal images that it creates - people with three hands, buildings
    floating in mid-air, ...

    The really scary part is that morons are trusting this garbage to do
    important work like medical diagnosis and supposed self-driving cars!!
    :-(


    --
    An infinitely complex system can fail in an infinite number of ways.

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  • From Johnny LaRue@21:1/5 to REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com on Fri Jan 17 14:34:14 2025
    On Jan 17, 2025 at 7:55:22 AM EST, ""badgolferman"" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    Your Name wrote:

    You can use it as "properly" as you like, but the entire idea is
    massively flawed, so it will never work properly at all. AI is simply
    useless, over-hyped crap that all the idiot tech companies are
    jumping on the bandwagon of as the latest fad.


    It's amazing how much smarter you are than these tech companies. Have
    you considered becoming a consultant and advise them how not to waste billions of dollars?

    They won't listen anyway. They need to lose billions of dollars before they will understand.

    Again. Remember "smart speakers"? Remember "virtual reality"? Both were once "the next big thing".

    Both are now just quaint memories.

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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to Your Name on Fri Jan 17 10:21:22 2025
    On 1/17/2025 12:38 AM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-17 00:48:49 +0000, Rick said:
    On 1/16/2025 6:55 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-16 22:18:10 +0000, Rick said:
    On 1/16/2025 4:15 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-16 16:02:46 +0000, badgolferman said:

    Apple has come under intense scrutiny for rolling out an underbaked >>>>>> AI-powered feature that summarizes breaking news — while often
    butchering it beyond recognition.
    <snip>

    So, no different to any other idiotic AI nonsense. They should all
    be avoided by any sane person because they're all just useless,
    over-hyped crap that they are. Hopefully it will be just another
    quickly gone tech fad.


    AI is nothing more than software, which means that, like any other
    software program, it is only as good as it the way it is programmed.

    And hence why so-called "Artifical Intelligence" is not actually
    intelligence of any kind. It's simpl;y a computer program doing what
    it has been programmed to do. It does NOT "learn" and it does NOT
    "think", and it can never do either of those things.



    I agree that a lot of AI isn't very good (and Apple is clearly on
    that list), but from the limited testing I have done, I think
    certain more mature LLM products like ChatGPT and Copilot are
    actually quite useful when used properly.

    Not really. ChatGPT has numerous issues as well.

    That's why I say "when used properly".

    You can use it as "properly" as you like, but the entire idea is
    massively flawed, so it will never work properly at all. AI is simply useless, over-hyped crap that all the idiot tech companies are jumping
    on the bandwagon of as the latest fad.



    It's no more "massively flawed" than any other software or programming - because that's all AI is. It is just software - written by and for
    humans - and it is up to each person to assess how much if any benefit
    to derive from it. You've assessed that it's useless to you and that's
    fine. Many people do derive perceived benefits from it, and that's fine
    for them. And you can call them "idiot" tech companies if you want, but
    that just sounds like envy, as many of those companies are doing quite
    well and will likely continue to do so. IF AI is just a fad, as you
    suggest, it will ultimately fizzle out, but as someone with more than 40
    years of IT experience, I actually see it as the natural and normal
    evolution of software development.




    When it comes to the uselessness of "AI, you just have to look at the
    absymal images that it creates - people with three hands, buildings
    floating in mid-air, ...

    The really scary part is that morons are trusting this garbage to do
    important work like medical diagnosis and supposed self-driving
    cars!! :-(



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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Your Name on Fri Jan 17 09:44:42 2025
    On 2025-01-16 21:38, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-17 00:48:49 +0000, Rick said:
    On 1/16/2025 6:55 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-16 22:18:10 +0000, Rick said:
    On 1/16/2025 4:15 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-16 16:02:46 +0000, badgolferman said:

    Apple has come under intense scrutiny for rolling out an underbaked >>>>>> AI-powered feature that summarizes breaking news — while often
    butchering it beyond recognition.
    <snip>

    So, no different to any other idiotic AI nonsense. They should all
    be avoided by any sane person because they're all just useless,
    over-hyped crap that they are. Hopefully it will be just another
    quickly gone tech fad.


    AI is nothing more than software, which means that, like any other
    software program, it is only as good as it the way it is programmed.

    And hence why so-called "Artifical Intelligence" is not actually
    intelligence of any kind. It's simpl;y a computer program doing what
    it has been programmed to do. It does NOT "learn" and it does NOT
    "think", and it can never do either of those things.



    I agree that a lot of AI isn't very good (and Apple is clearly on
    that list), but from the limited testing I have done, I think
    certain more mature LLM products like ChatGPT and Copilot are
    actually quite useful when used properly.

    Not really. ChatGPT has numerous issues as well.

    That's why I say "when used properly".

    You can use it as "properly" as you like, but the entire idea is
    massively flawed, so it will never work properly at all. AI is simply useless, over-hyped crap that all the idiot tech companies are jumping
    on the bandwagon of as the latest fad.



    So said every nay-sayer about every new idea ever.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Fri Jan 17 18:03:01 2025
    On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 12:55:22 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


    You can use it as "properly" as you like, but the entire idea is
    massively flawed, so it will never work properly at all. AI is simply >>useless, over-hyped crap that all the idiot tech companies are
    jumping on the bandwagon of as the latest fad.

    It's amazing how much smarter you are than these tech companies. Have
    you considered becoming a consultant and advise them how not to waste billions of dollars?

    Had nospam's contract not expired, he would have definitively claimed AI is
    "not needed" "not wanted"
    simply because Apple doesn't have it while everyone else already does.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Fri Jan 17 09:43:28 2025
    On 2025-01-16 18:45, badgolferman wrote:
    Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-01-16 08:02, badgolferman wrote:
    Apple has come under intense scrutiny for rolling out an underbaked
    AI-powered feature that summarizes breaking news — while often
    butchering it beyond recognition.
    They're all "underbaked" right now, Sunshine.

    This is not news to anyone who has actually been paying attention.


    Yes they are, but that’s not the issue here. Apple knows their version is >>> not good enough but still pushes it out to users. They should not be using >>> their customers as unwilling beta testers.

    Apple is not pushing it out to unwilling beta testers. You have to choose
    to download and install it beyond the IOS upgrade. It is an option and not >> forced on you.


    Users are being fed bad data by Apple Intelligence and the company knows
    it. Why don’t they make it more mature before rolling it out?


    Why don't you acknowledge you were wrong before you go on talking about
    this?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Fri Jan 17 10:28:46 2025
    On 2025-01-17 10:03, Marion wrote:
    On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 12:55:22 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


    You can use it as "properly" as you like, but the entire idea is
    massively flawed, so it will never work properly at all. AI is simply
    useless, over-hyped crap that all the idiot tech companies are
    jumping on the bandwagon of as the latest fad.

    It's amazing how much smarter you are than these tech companies.  Have
    you considered becoming a consultant and advise them how not to waste
    billions of dollars?

    Had nospam's contract not expired, he would have definitively claimed AI is
      "not needed"        "not wanted"
    simply because Apple doesn't have it while everyone else already does.

    'Happy New Year! Let's all be helpful together, as a well-honed team.
    Working together...'

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sat Jan 18 10:07:46 2025
    On 2025-01-17 12:55:22 +0000, badgolferman said:
    Your Name wrote:

    You can use it as "properly" as you like, but the entire idea is
    massively flawed, so it will never work properly at all. AI is simply
    useless, over-hyped crap that all the idiot tech companies are
    jumping on the bandwagon of as the latest fad.

    It's amazing how much smarter you are than these tech companies. Have
    you considered becoming a consultant and advise them how not to waste billions of dollars?

    You just have to look at history to see all the fads "big business"
    companies jump onto the bandwagon of - some succeeded, many failed.

    Silly AI may not fail completely, but it's certainly never going to
    live up to all the hype fools are putting on it and most people
    couldn't give a damn about it let alone actually want to use it. It's
    simply another fad trying to get foolish people to part with their
    money upgrading to the latest toys.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Rick on Sat Jan 18 10:21:15 2025
    On 2025-01-17 15:21:22 +0000, Rick said:
    On 1/17/2025 12:38 AM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-17 00:48:49 +0000, Rick said:
    On 1/16/2025 6:55 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-16 22:18:10 +0000, Rick said:
    On 1/16/2025 4:15 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-16 16:02:46 +0000, badgolferman said:

    Apple has come under intense scrutiny for rolling out an underbaked >>>>>>> AI-powered feature that summarizes breaking news — while often >>>>>>> butchering it beyond recognition.
    <snip>

    So, no different to any other idiotic AI nonsense. They should all be >>>>>> avoided by any sane person because they're all just useless, over-hyped >>>>>> crap that they are. Hopefully it will be just another quickly gone tech >>>>>> fad.

    AI is nothing more than software, which means that, like any other
    software program, it is only as good as it the way it is programmed.

    And hence why so-called "Artifical Intelligence" is not actually
    intelligence of any kind. It's simpl;y a computer program doing what it >>>> has been programmed to do. It does NOT "learn" and it does NOT "think", >>>> and it can never do either of those things.



    I agree that a lot of AI isn't very good (and Apple is clearly on that >>>>> list), but from the limited testing I have done, I think certain more >>>>> mature LLM products like ChatGPT and Copilot are actually quite useful >>>>> when used properly.

    Not really. ChatGPT has numerous issues as well.

    That's why I say "when used properly".

    You can use it as "properly" as you like, but the entire idea is
    massively flawed, so it will never work properly at all. AI is simply
    useless, over-hyped crap that all the idiot tech companies are jumping
    on the bandwagon of as the latest fad.

    It's no more "massively flawed" than any other software or programming
    - because that's all AI is. It is just software - written by and for
    humans - and it is up to each person to assess how much if any benefit
    to derive from it. You've assessed that it's useless to you and that's
    fine. Many people do derive perceived benefits from it, and that's
    fine for them. And you can call them "idiot" tech companies if you
    want, but that just sounds like envy, as many of those companies are
    doing quite well and will likely continue to do so. IF AI is just a
    fad, as you suggest, it will ultimately fizzle out, but as someone with
    more than 40 years of IT experience, I actually see it as the natural
    and normal evolution of software development.

    The companies jumping on the bandwagon to include AI in everything were
    already successful before the AI fad and most will continue to be
    successful after it hopefully becomes a footnote in history (alongside self-driving cars).

    The companies that create the AI software are currently successful
    simply because all the other companies are stupidly jumping on the
    bandwagon, but as has been seen numerous times before, that bubble can
    quickly burst.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Johnny LaRue on Sat Jan 18 10:16:49 2025
    On 2025-01-17 14:34:14 +0000, Johnny LaRue said:
    On Jan 17, 2025 at 7:55:22 AM EST, ""badgolferman"" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Your Name wrote:

    You can use it as "properly" as you like, but the entire idea is
    massively flawed, so it will never work properly at all. AI is simply
    useless, over-hyped crap that all the idiot tech companies are
    jumping on the bandwagon of as the latest fad.

    It's amazing how much smarter you are than these tech companies. Have
    you considered becoming a consultant and advise them how not to waste
    billions of dollars?

    They won't listen anyway. They need to lose billions of dollars before they will understand.

    Many of them in big business management won't listen even when they do
    lose billions.

    There's a company here that was recently declared bankrupt and had lots hundreds of thousands of dollars, but the CEO who owned the majority of
    the stock bought up all the rest of the stock and "re-opened" the same
    busines under the same name. Either he's an idiot or it the bankruptcy
    was a scam to get out of paying all the debt ... or more likely both.




    Again. Remember "smart speakers"? Remember "virtual reality"? Both were once
    "the next big thing".

    Both are now just quaint memories.

    Yep, there's lots and lots of those failed fads and ones that are
    nowhere near as popular as they were hyped to become.

    Smart Glasses / AR glasses (as oposed to full masks) is another one.
    The fools in the tech companies thought people would want to wear
    glasses ... and yet for decades most people who need eyesight
    correction having been moving away from glasses to contact lenses. :-\

    Apple's Touch Bar on their laptops was announced with a bang, and
    quickly went out with barely a whimper.

    The tech geeks and nerds might be interested in all this gimmickry, but
    the vast majority of the general public don't want it and won't use it
    (most don't even know it exists). Same happens in cars with all their
    modern gimmickry that is barely used by anyone.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Your Name on Sat Jan 18 13:29:01 2025
    On 2025-01-17 21:16:49 +0000, Your Name said:

    On 2025-01-17 14:34:14 +0000, Johnny LaRue said:
    On Jan 17, 2025 at 7:55:22 AM EST, ""badgolferman""
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Your Name wrote:

    You can use it as "properly" as you like, but the entire idea is
    massively flawed, so it will never work properly at all. AI is simply
    useless, over-hyped crap that all the idiot tech companies are
    jumping on the bandwagon of as the latest fad.

    It's amazing how much smarter you are than these tech companies. Have
    you considered becoming a consultant and advise them how not to waste
    billions of dollars?

    They won't listen anyway. They need to lose billions of dollars before they >> will understand.

    Many of them in big business management won't listen even when they do
    lose billions.

    There's a company here that was recently declared bankrupt and had lots hundreds of thousands of dollars,

    Damn typos!! That was meant to say "had LOST hundreds of thousands of
    dollars". :-\


    but the CEO who owned the majority of the stock bought up all the rest
    of the stock and "re-opened" the same busines under the same name.
    Either he's an idiot or it the bankruptcy was a scam to get out of
    paying all the debt ... or more likely both.

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  • From Colour Sergeant Bourne@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sat Jan 18 13:57:53 2025
    On 1/16/25 11:02 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    Apple has come under intense scrutiny for rolling out an underbaked AI-powered feature that summarizes breaking news — while often
    butchering it beyond recognition.

    For over a month, roughly as long as the feature has been available to
    iPhone users, publishers have found that it consistently generates
    false information and pushes it to millions of users.

    Despite broadcasting a barrage of fabrications for weeks, Apple has yet
    to meaningfully address the problem.

    "This is my periodic rant that Apple Intelligence is so bad that today
    it got every fact wrong in its AI a summary of Washington Post news
    alerts," the newspaper's tech columnist Geoffrey Fowler wrote in a post
    on Bluesky this week.

    Fowler appended a screenshot of an alert, which claimed that Pete
    Hegseth, who's been facing a confrontational confirmation hearing for
    the role of defense secretary this week, had been fired by his former employer, Fox News — which is false and not what the WaPo's syndication
    of an Associated Press story actually said. The AI alert also claimed
    that Florida senator Marco Cubio had been sworn in as secretary of
    state, which is also false as of the time of writing.

    "It's wildly irresponsible that Apple doesn't turn off summaries for
    news apps until it gets a bit better at this AI thing," Fowler added.

    The constant blunders of Apple's AI summaries put the tech's nagging shortcomings on full display, demonstrating that even tech giants like
    Apple are failing miserably to successfully integrate AI without
    constantly embarrassing themselves.

    AI models are still coming up with all sorts of "hallucinated" lies, a problem experts believe could be intrinsic to the tech. After all,
    large language models like the one powering Apple's summarizing feature simply predict the next word based on probability and are incapable of actually understanding the content they're paraphrasing, at least for
    the time being.

    And the stakes are high, given the context. Apple's notifications are intended to alert iPhone users to breaking news — not sow distrust and confusion.

    The story also highlights a stark power imbalance, with news
    organizations powerless to determine how Apple represents their work to
    its vast number of users.

    "News organizations have vigorously complained to Apple about this, but
    we have no power over what iOS does to the accurate and expertly
    crafted alerts we send out," Fowler wrote in a followup.

    In December, the BBC first filed a complaint with Apple after the
    feature mistakenly claimed that Luigi Mangione, the man who killed UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, had shot himself — an egregious
    and easily disproven fabrication.

    Last week, Apple finally caved and responded to the complaint, vowing
    to add a clarifying disclaimer that the summaries were AI-generated
    while also attempting to distance itself from bearing any
    responsibility.

    "Apple Intelligence features are in beta and we are continuously making improvements with the help of user feedback," a company spokesperson
    told the BBC in a statement. "A software update in the coming weeks
    will further clarify when the text being displayed is summarization
    provided by Apple Intelligence."

    "We encourage users to report a concern if they view an unexpected notification summary," the company continued.

    The disclaimer unintentionally points to the dubious value proposition
    of today's AI: what's the point of a summarizing feature if the company
    is forced to include a disclaimer on each one that it might be entirely wrong? Should Apple's customers really be the ones responsible for
    pointing out each time its AI summaries are spreading lies?

    "It just transfers the responsibility to users, who — in an already confusing information landscape — will be expected to check if
    information is true or not," Reporters Without Borders technology and journalism desk head Vincent Berthier told the BBC.

    Journalists are particularly worried about further eroding trust in the
    news industry, a pertinent topic given the tidal wave of AI slop that
    has been crashing over the internet.

    "At a time where access to accurate reporting has never been more
    important, the public must not be placed in a position of
    second-guessing the accuracy of news they receive," the National Union
    of Journalists general secretary Laura Davison told the BBC.

    https://futurism.com/apple-ai-butchering-news-summaries

    Maybe so...but it's for the children and the environment :-)

    --
    The forest was shrinking but the trees kept voting for the axe, for the
    axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made
    of wood, he was one of them

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Colour Sergeant Bourne on Sun Jan 19 09:51:47 2025
    On 2025-01-18 18:57:53 +0000, Colour Sergeant Bourne said:
    On 1/16/25 11:02 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    Apple has come under intense scrutiny for rolling out an underbaked
    AI-powered feature that summarizes breaking news — while often
    butchering it beyond recognition.

    For over a month, roughly as long as the feature has been available to
    iPhone users, publishers have found that it consistently generates
    false information and pushes it to millions of users.

    Despite broadcasting a barrage of fabrications for weeks, Apple has yet
    to meaningfully address the problem.

    "This is my periodic rant that Apple Intelligence is so bad that today
    it got every fact wrong in its AI a summary of Washington Post news
    alerts," the newspaper's tech columnist Geoffrey Fowler wrote in a post
    on Bluesky this week.

    Fowler appended a screenshot of an alert, which claimed that Pete
    Hegseth, who's been facing a confrontational confirmation hearing for
    the role of defense secretary this week, had been fired by his former
    employer, Fox News — which is false and not what the WaPo's syndication
    of an Associated Press story actually said. The AI alert also claimed
    that Florida senator Marco Cubio had been sworn in as secretary of
    state, which is also false as of the time of writing.

    "It's wildly irresponsible that Apple doesn't turn off summaries for
    news apps until it gets a bit better at this AI thing," Fowler added.

    The constant blunders of Apple's AI summaries put the tech's nagging
    shortcomings on full display, demonstrating that even tech giants like
    Apple are failing miserably to successfully integrate AI without
    constantly embarrassing themselves.

    AI models are still coming up with all sorts of "hallucinated" lies, a
    problem experts believe could be intrinsic to the tech. After all,
    large language models like the one powering Apple's summarizing feature
    simply predict the next word based on probability and are incapable of
    actually understanding the content they're paraphrasing, at least for
    the time being.

    And the stakes are high, given the context. Apple's notifications are
    intended to alert iPhone users to breaking news — not sow distrust and
    confusion.

    The story also highlights a stark power imbalance, with news
    organizations powerless to determine how Apple represents their work to
    its vast number of users.

    "News organizations have vigorously complained to Apple about this, but
    we have no power over what iOS does to the accurate and expertly
    crafted alerts we send out," Fowler wrote in a followup.

    In December, the BBC first filed a complaint with Apple after the
    feature mistakenly claimed that Luigi Mangione, the man who killed
    UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, had shot himself — an egregious
    and easily disproven fabrication.

    Last week, Apple finally caved and responded to the complaint, vowing
    to add a clarifying disclaimer that the summaries were AI-generated
    while also attempting to distance itself from bearing any
    responsibility.

    "Apple Intelligence features are in beta and we are continuously making
    improvements with the help of user feedback," a company spokesperson
    told the BBC in a statement. "A software update in the coming weeks
    will further clarify when the text being displayed is summarization
    provided by Apple Intelligence."

    "We encourage users to report a concern if they view an unexpected
    notification summary," the company continued.

    The disclaimer unintentionally points to the dubious value proposition
    of today's AI: what's the point of a summarizing feature if the company
    is forced to include a disclaimer on each one that it might be entirely
    wrong? Should Apple's customers really be the ones responsible for
    pointing out each time its AI summaries are spreading lies?

    "It just transfers the responsibility to users, who — in an already
    confusing information landscape — will be expected to check if
    information is true or not," Reporters Without Borders technology and
    journalism desk head Vincent Berthier told the BBC.

    Journalists are particularly worried about further eroding trust in the
    news industry, a pertinent topic given the tidal wave of AI slop that
    has been crashing over the internet.

    "At a time where access to accurate reporting has never been more
    important, the public must not be placed in a position of
    second-guessing the accuracy of news they receive," the National Union
    of Journalists general secretary Laura Davison told the BBC.

    https://futurism.com/apple-ai-butchering-news-summaries

    Maybe so...but it's for the children and the environment :-)

    According to a recent report, all the servers, cooling, etc. needed for
    this silly AI fad will be worse for the environment than all of the
    cars driving around in California. :-\

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Your Name on Sat Jan 18 16:12:51 2025
    On 2025-01-18 12:51, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-01-18 18:57:53 +0000, Colour Sergeant Bourne said:
    On 1/16/25 11:02 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    Apple has come under intense scrutiny for rolling out an underbaked
    AI-powered feature that summarizes breaking news — while often
    butchering it beyond recognition.

    For over a month, roughly as long as the feature has been available to
    iPhone users, publishers have found that it consistently generates
    false information and pushes it to millions of users.

    Despite broadcasting a barrage of fabrications for weeks, Apple has yet
    to meaningfully address the problem.

    "This is my periodic rant that Apple Intelligence is so bad that today
    it got every fact wrong in its AI a summary of Washington Post news
    alerts," the newspaper's tech columnist Geoffrey Fowler wrote in a post
    on Bluesky this week.

    Fowler appended a screenshot of an alert, which claimed that Pete
    Hegseth, who's been facing a confrontational confirmation hearing for
    the role of defense secretary this week, had been fired by his former
    employer, Fox News — which is false and not what the WaPo's syndication >>> of an Associated Press story actually said. The AI alert also claimed
    that Florida senator Marco Cubio had been sworn in as secretary of
    state, which is also false as of the time of writing.

    "It's wildly irresponsible that Apple doesn't turn off summaries for
    news apps until it gets a bit better at this AI thing," Fowler added.

    The constant blunders of Apple's AI summaries put the tech's nagging
    shortcomings on full display, demonstrating that even tech giants like
    Apple are failing miserably to successfully integrate AI without
    constantly embarrassing themselves.

    AI models are still coming up with all sorts of "hallucinated" lies, a
    problem experts believe could be intrinsic to the tech. After all,
    large language models like the one powering Apple's summarizing feature
    simply predict the next word based on probability and are incapable of
    actually understanding the content they're paraphrasing, at least for
    the time being.

    And the stakes are high, given the context. Apple's notifications are
    intended to alert iPhone users to breaking news — not sow distrust and >>> confusion.

    The story also highlights a stark power imbalance, with news
    organizations powerless to determine how Apple represents their work to
    its vast number of users.

    "News organizations have vigorously complained to Apple about this, but
    we have no power over what iOS does to the accurate and expertly
    crafted alerts we send out," Fowler wrote in a followup.

    In December, the BBC first filed a complaint with Apple after the
    feature mistakenly claimed that Luigi Mangione, the man who killed
    UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, had shot himself — an egregious
    and easily disproven fabrication.

    Last week, Apple finally caved and responded to the complaint, vowing
    to add a clarifying disclaimer that the summaries were AI-generated
    while also attempting to distance itself from bearing any
    responsibility.

    "Apple Intelligence features are in beta and we are continuously making
    improvements with the help of user feedback," a company spokesperson
    told the BBC in a statement. "A software update in the coming weeks
    will further clarify when the text being displayed is summarization
    provided by Apple Intelligence."

    "We encourage users to report a concern if they view an unexpected
    notification summary," the company continued.

    The disclaimer unintentionally points to the dubious value proposition
    of today's AI: what's the point of a summarizing feature if the company
    is forced to include a disclaimer on each one that it might be entirely
    wrong? Should Apple's customers really be the ones responsible for
    pointing out each time its AI summaries are spreading lies?

    "It just transfers the responsibility to users, who — in an already
    confusing information landscape — will be expected to check if
    information is true or not," Reporters Without Borders technology and
    journalism desk head Vincent Berthier told the BBC.

    Journalists are particularly worried about further eroding trust in the
    news industry, a pertinent topic given the tidal wave of AI slop that
    has been crashing over the internet.

    "At a time where access to accurate reporting has never been more
    important, the public must not be placed in a position of
    second-guessing the accuracy of news they receive," the National Union
    of Journalists general secretary Laura Davison told the BBC.

    https://futurism.com/apple-ai-butchering-news-summaries

    Maybe so...but it's for the children and the environment :-)

    According to a recent report, all the servers, cooling, etc. needed for
    this silly AI fad will be worse for the environment than all of the cars driving around in California.  :-\





    You sound like every fuddy-duddy ever when confronted with new technology.

    AI is NOT a fad.

    It is obviously in its infancy and not very good for very much yet.

    But is also obvious that it is going to get better.

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