On 11.02.25 15:34, Rick wrote:

On 2/11/2025 8:17 AM, badgolferman wrote:

The change follows an executive order by US President Donald Trump
renaming the area. Google has previously said it has “a longstanding
practice of applying name changes when they have been updated in
official government sources.”

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/11/business/trump-gulf-of-america-google-maps-hnk-intl/index.html

I believe the legislation has 30 days to take effect.

Bullshit! The Trumpistan executive bodies have no direct say in such
matters. The whole thing looks the same as when the Sowjetunion renamed Wolgograd to Stalingrad or St. Petersburg to Leningrad and all lick
spittles obeyed. Until 1990.

https://www.usgs.gov/us-board-on-geographic-names/what-geographic-names-information-system-gnis

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On 2/11/2025 8:17 AM, badgolferman wrote:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet. Doesn't America-based Apple follow official government sources?

------------------------------

The body of water formerly known in the United States as the Gulf of
Mexico is now listed for US-based users of Google Maps as the Gulf of America.

The change follows an executive order by US President Donald Trump
renaming the area. Google has previously said it has “a longstanding practice of applying name changes when they have been updated in
official government sources.”

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/11/business/trump-gulf-of-america-google-maps-hnk-intl/index.html

I believe the legislation has 30 days to take effect.

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On 11.02.25 14:17, badgolferman wrote:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet. Doesn't America-based Apple follow official government sources?

------------------------------

The body of water formerly known in the United States as the Gulf of
Mexico is now listed for US-based users of Google Maps as the Gulf of America.

The change follows an executive order by US President Donald Trump
renaming the area. Google has previously said it has “a longstanding practice of applying name changes when they have been updated in
official government sources.”

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/11/business/trump-gulf-of-america-google-maps-hnk-intl/index.html

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/safety_alerts/media/AIS_25-01_CN_Geographic_Name_Changes.pdf

Where is the missing signature on this useless directive? Does really
nobody want to take responsibility for this utter nonsense?

*ROTFLSTC*

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On 2025-02-11 07:16, badgolferman wrote:

Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 11.02.25 14:17, badgolferman wrote:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet.
Doesn't America-based Apple follow official government sources?

------------------------------

The body of water formerly known in the United States as the Gulf
of Mexico is now listed for US-based users of Google Maps as the
Gulf of America.

The change follows an executive order by US President Donald Trump
renaming the area. Google has previously said it has “a
longstanding practice of applying name changes when they have been
updated in official government sources.”


https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/11/business/trump-gulf-of-america-google-maps-hnk-intl/index.html

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/safety_alerts/media/AIS_25-01_CN_Geographic_Name_Changes.pdf

Where is the missing signature on this useless directive? Does really
nobody want to take responsibility for this utter nonsense?

ROTFLSTC

Here is the signature:
Published by the
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AIS 25-01 CN
Federal Aviation Administration FEB 2025

And this will finally start to bring down prices...

...right?

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On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 15:17:10 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

In official US government documentation they certainly do have direct
say.

You'll rarely see me comment on most of Trump's statements & actions, most
of which I find as embarrassingly absurd as Apple's brazen lies...

However... on this topic of a government "renaming" a strategic locale...

Russia, for example, is intent on renaming North America to "Ango-Saxon America" in its textbooks - which will reinforce Russian propaganda.
<https://www.researchgate.net/publication/383564595_A_Reckoning_with_History_Russia's_Long_Struggle_Against_Anglo-Saxon_Interference_and_the_Path_to_a_New_Global_Order>

It's not only Russia that characterizes the world as Ango-Saxon controlled.
<https://connections-qj.org/system/files/23.2.04_herd.pdf>

China wants the naming conventions of the Pacific Ocean to indicate Chinese influence and control in the same way Trump and Putin are by renaming seas.
<https://www.voanews.com/a/why-is-china-renaming-disputed-locations-around-asia-/6385055.html>

Unfortunately, if it gets into the textbooks, which, I'm sure it does for
the Russian & Chinese renaming of strategic locations, it gets set in stone (because the worth of a country is mainly in the education of its kids).

The sad fact is, especially knowing how pernicious Apple's (brilliant) propaganda is, propaganda is effective in molding kids' beliefs systems
(e.g., kids don't know Apple's support is the worst in the industry).

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Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2025-02-11 07:16, badgolferman wrote:

Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 11.02.25 14:17, badgolferman wrote:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet.
Doesn't America-based Apple follow official government sources?

------------------------------

The body of water formerly known in the United States as the Gulf
of Mexico is now listed for US-based users of Google Maps as the
Gulf of America.

The change follows an executive order by US President Donald Trump
renaming the area. Google has previously said it has “a
longstanding practice of applying name changes when they have been
updated in official government sources.”


https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/11/business/trump-gulf-of-america-google-maps-hnk-intl/index.html

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/safety_alerts/media/AIS_25-01_CN_Geographic_Name_Changes.pdf

Where is the missing signature on this useless directive? Does really
nobody want to take responsibility for this utter nonsense?

ROTFLSTC

Here is the signature:
Published by the
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AIS 25-01 CN
Federal Aviation Administration FEB 2025

And this will finally start to bring down prices...

...right?

Just one problem: the prices are not set by the government.

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On 11.02.25 16:17, badgolferman wrote:

Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 11.02.25 15:34, Rick wrote:

On 2/11/2025 8:17 AM, badgolferman wrote:

The change follows an executive order by US President Donald
Trump renaming the area. Google has previously said it has “a
longstanding practice of applying name changes when they have
been updated in official government sources.”


https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/11/business/trump-gulf-of-america-google-maps-hnk-intl/index.html

I believe the legislation has 30 days to take effect.

Bullshit! The Trumpistan executive bodies have no direct say in such
matters. The whole thing looks the same as when the Sowjetunion
renamed Wolgograd to Stalingrad or St. Petersburg to Leningrad and
all lick spittles obeyed. Until 1990.

https://www.usgs.gov/us-board-on-geographic-names/what-geographic-names-information-system-gnis

In official US government documentation they certainly do have direct
say.

Yes. But not the oral office.

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On 11.02.25 16:16, badgolferman wrote:

Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 11.02.25 14:17, badgolferman wrote:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet.
Doesn't America-based Apple follow official government sources?

------------------------------

The body of water formerly known in the United States as the Gulf
of Mexico is now listed for US-based users of Google Maps as the
Gulf of America.

The change follows an executive order by US President Donald Trump
renaming the area. Google has previously said it has “a
longstanding practice of applying name changes when they have been
updated in official government sources.”


https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/11/business/trump-gulf-of-america-google-maps-hnk-intl/index.html

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/safety_alerts/media/AIS_25-01_CN_Geographic_Name_Changes.pdf

Where is the missing signature on this useless directive? Does really
nobody want to take responsibility for this utter nonsense?

ROTFLSTC

Here is the signature:
Published by the
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AIS 25-01 CN
Federal Aviation Administration FEB 2025

You do not understand how these things work. This is nothing. Absolutely nothing. And especially no signature at all. Idiot.


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On 11.02.25 21:19, Cameo wrote:

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2025-02-11 07:16, badgolferman wrote:

Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 11.02.25 14:17, badgolferman wrote:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet.
Doesn't America-based Apple follow official government sources?

------------------------------

The body of water formerly known in the United States as the Gulf
of Mexico is now listed for US-based users of Google Maps as the
Gulf of America.

The change follows an executive order by US President Donald Trump
renaming the area. Google has previously said it has “a
longstanding practice of applying name changes when they have been
updated in official government sources.”


https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/11/business/trump-gulf-of-america-google-maps-hnk-intl/index.html

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/safety_alerts/media/AIS_25-01_CN_Geographic_Name_Changes.pdf

Where is the missing signature on this useless directive? Does really
nobody want to take responsibility for this utter nonsense?

ROTFLSTC

Here is the signature:
Published by the
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AIS 25-01 CN
Federal Aviation Administration FEB 2025

And this will finally start to bring down prices...

...right?

Just one problem: the prices are not set by the government.

Not yet.


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On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 23:12:24 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

In official US government documentation they certainly do have direct
say.

It's international waters. No they don't.

Countries can choose to name places within their own borders whatever they >> like. The Gulf of Mexico is not within the US's jurisdiction.

Yes he does. His executive order to rename the body of water is pertinent
to US federal documents. He's not forcing the international community to change their documents.

I find it interesting that others think a government can't direct its
workers to use certain naming conventions in their official documents.

While I don't care what that gulf is called, the federal government has
every right to call it whatever they want to call it. The states have every right to call it something else in their documents, unless... and this is important... unless the Federal law forbids them from doing so.

That rule extends down from the top of the states to the bottom (e.g., at
every local level of government down to, oh, I guess the county & town).

As long as the Federal government doesn't forbid it, the states can do
whatever they want, but if the government forbids it, the states can't.

It would be interesting if anyone knows how the law is written (and no, I didn't click on any link as it's not a problem set I'm dealing with now).

Note: Putin recently renamed "North America" to "Anglo Saxon America".

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On 2/11/2025 11:01 PM, J�rg Lorenz wrote:

Published by the
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AIS 25-01 CN
Federal Aviation Administration FEB 2025

You do not understand how these things work.

This Lorenz fellow is going to teach the rest of you how these things work.

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On 2025-02-11 13:17:00 +0000, badgolferman said:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet. Doesn't America-based Apple follow official government sources?

Tim C(r)ook is more than happy to appease Trump the Chump and his
moronic ideas ... :-\


Apple Adopting 'Gulf of America' Naming for Apple Maps
------------------------------------------------------
Apple is in the process of renaming the Gulf of Mexico to the
Gulf of America, and changes are already being made to the
Apple Maps app. When searching in the Maps app for Gulf of
Mexico, the Gulf of Mexico name is shown or the name is blank,
but tapping into the area shows the "Gulf of America" wording.

According to Bloomberg, Apple is rolling out the Maps change
in the United States today, so the name should shift for most
U.S. users in the near future. Apple plans to change the name
for all users globally in the future.

Google this week also made good on its promise to adopt the
new naming, and "Gulf of America" is now visible in both
Google Maps and Waze.

Google and Apple use data from the U.S. Geographic Names
Information System (GNIS) when naming world locations, and
GNIS updated its database with the "Gulf of America" name
change this week.

Google has explained that Maps users in the United States will
see "Gulf of America" instead of "Gulf of Mexico," while users
in Mexico will continue to see Gulf of Mexico. In the rest of
the world, the name for the body of water between Mexico and
Florida will continue to be named Gulf of Mexico, but Gulf of
America is shown in parentheses below. Apple might adopt
similar changes outside of the United States.

When U.S. President Donald Trump took office on January 20,
one of his first orders was changing the name of the Gulf of
Mexico to the Gulf of America. Other countries do not refer to
the area as the Gulf of America and are not required to accept
the U.S. name.

Trump also said that Alaskan mountain Denali was being renamed
to Mt. McKinley, but Google Maps and ‌Apple Maps‌ have not yet
made that change.

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/02/11/apple-maps-gulf-of-america/>



Dumbass Americans can try to call it whatever they like, but the
reality Trump the Chump has absolutely no offical say in what names are
given to things outside of American borders ... Gulf of Mexico is what
it will remain for anyone with more than half a braincell.

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On 12.02.25 05:50, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-02-11 13:17:00 +0000, badgolferman said:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet. Doesn't
America-based Apple follow official government sources?

Tim C(r)ook is more than happy to appease Trump the Chump and his
moronic ideas ... :-\

Apple Adopting 'Gulf of America' Naming for Apple Maps

Idiot!
He doesn't!
You are a lier:

https://up.picr.de/49254698zt.png

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On 12.02.25 00:12, badgolferman wrote:

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

It's international waters. No they don't.

Countries can choose to name places within their own borders whatever they >> like. The Gulf of Mexico is not within the US's jurisdiction.

Yes he does. His executive order to rename the body of water is pertinent
to US federal documents. He’s not forcing the international community to change their documents.

They never will. At least not on the order of a convicted criminal.
And learn to give appropriate replies to posts.


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On 2/12/2025 8:30 AM, Wilf wrote:

On 11/02/2025 at 13:17, badgolferman wrote:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet.  Doesn't
America-based Apple follow official government sources?

Maybe they're not as craven as the guys at Google.

They got it right now today. Gulf of America

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On 11/02/2025 at 13:17, badgolferman wrote:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet. Doesn't America-based Apple follow official government sources?

Maybe they're not as craven as the guys at Google.


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On 12.02.25 15:47, sticks wrote:

On 2/12/2025 8:30 AM, Wilf wrote:

On 11/02/2025 at 13:17, badgolferman wrote:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet.  Doesn't
America-based Apple follow official government sources?

Maybe they're not as craven as the guys at Google.

They got it right now today. Gulf of America

Sieg heil, mein Führer!


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On 12.02.25 16:56, sticks wrote:

On 2/12/2025 9:41 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 12.02.25 15:47, sticks wrote:

On 2/12/2025 8:30 AM, Wilf wrote:

On 11/02/2025 at 13:17, badgolferman wrote:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet.  Doesn't >>>>> America-based Apple follow official government sources?

Maybe they're not as craven as the guys at Google.

They got it right now today.  Gulf of America

Sieg heil, mein Führer!

gonna be some tough times ahead for you Marxists.

Don't think so.
Great fun ahead!


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On 2/12/2025 9:41 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 12.02.25 15:47, sticks wrote:

On 2/12/2025 8:30 AM, Wilf wrote:

On 11/02/2025 at 13:17, badgolferman wrote:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet.  Doesn't >>>> America-based Apple follow official government sources?

Maybe they're not as craven as the guys at Google.

They got it right now today.  Gulf of America

Sieg heil, mein Führer!

gonna be some tough times ahead for you Marxists.


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On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:48:24 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet.�
Doesn't America-based Apple follow official government sources?

Maybe they're not as craven as the guys at Google.

They got it right now today. Gulf of America

You're right! I see it on the app too. Good work Apple!

Yup. My 10th-generation iPad has it also as the "Gulf of America.
As does Google Maps when I checked just now.

I'm actually surprised as I've had to force Google to change a name.
And it took a *lot* of effort on my part to change the Google maps.

Pretty much, if Google changes a name, it has a good chance of sticking.

If anyone has more information on how the decision was made, either at
Apple or Google HQ, I'd love to know how the gob'ment managed that feat.

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On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 12:16:27 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

Countries can choose to name places within their own borders whatever they >>>> like. The Gulf of Mexico is not within the US's jurisdiction.

Yes he does. His executive order to rename the body of water is pertinent >>> to US federal documents. He�s not forcing the international community to >>> change their documents.

They never will. At least not on the order of a convicted criminal.
And learn to give appropriate replies to posts.

Last I saw the international community goes along with the policies of the US. Even those who hate Trump.

Hi badgolferman,

It's interesting to read how Joerg Lorenz thinks, as he's the
quintessential uneducated prole in this (and the Android) ng.

Joerg is *different* than the Apple trolls such as Jolly Roger, who is the canonical "Apple is my God" troll, which means we can learn from both.

Joerg is, in some ways, much like Alan Baker, in that both feel they
understand fully what they don't even scratch the surface of in knowledge.

Neither Joerg Lorenz nor Alan Baker delve any deeper into anything other
than scratching the surface - and both are mere parrots - but fundamentally
- while they're both mere unthinking parrots - Joerg Lorenz feels that
everyone else is stupid - and only he - Joerg the Scholar - knows all.

And yet, paradoxically, in every post, Joerg knows less than nothing.

As for your statement that the free world follows the US leadership, I'm
sure it's commonly done - but also - they break free of US hegemony too.

If, for example, over time, the US renames the gulf in question, it may
that we experience a switchover period of confusion, much like "X, formerly known as twitter" did for a while, and it may be that if the Democrats ever
win back the swing states, that they can switch the naming back, but I
suspect what will happen, for a while, is what happened when I was in elementary school for the island of Formosa.

On all the maps when I was a child, the islands were named both Formosa and Taiwan (as the wall maps dated to well before Alaska & Hawaii were states).

Over time, we started seeing the school maps switch from Formosa to Taiwan. Same kind of slow-transformation thing may happen here - what do you think?

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On 2025-02-12 09:38, Marion wrote:

On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 12:16:27 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

Countries can choose to name places within their own borders
whatever they
like. The Gulf of Mexico is not within the US's jurisdiction.

Yes he does. His executive order to rename the body of water is
pertinent
to US federal documents. He�s not forcing the international
community to
change their documents.

They never will. At least not on the order of a convicted criminal.
And learn to give appropriate replies to posts.

Last I saw the international community goes along with the policies of
the
US. Even those who hate Trump.

Hi badgolferman,

It's interesting to read how Joerg Lorenz thinks, as he's the
quintessential uneducated prole in this (and the Android) ng.

What a whiny little shit you are.

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On 2/12/2025 10:10 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 12.02.25 16:56, sticks wrote:

On 2/12/2025 9:41 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 12.02.25 15:47, sticks wrote:

On 2/12/2025 8:30 AM, Wilf wrote:

On 11/02/2025 at 13:17, badgolferman wrote:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet.  Doesn't >>>>>> America-based Apple follow official government sources?

Maybe they're not as craven as the guys at Google.

They got it right now today.  Gulf of America

Sieg heil, mein Führer!

gonna be some tough times ahead for you Marxists.

Don't think so.
Great fun ahead!

Thanks, Fidel.

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On 2025-02-12 09:46, Marion wrote:

On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:48:24 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet.�
Doesn't America-based Apple follow official government sources?

Maybe they're not as craven as the guys at Google.

They got it right now today.  Gulf of America

You're right!  I see it on the app too.  Good work Apple!

Yup. My 10th-generation iPad has it also as the "Gulf of America.
As does Google Maps when I checked just now.

I'm actually surprised as I've had to force Google to change a name.
And it took a *lot* of effort on my part to change the Google maps.

Pretty much, if Google changes a name, it has a good chance of sticking.

If anyone has more information on how the decision was made, either at
Apple or Google HQ, I'd love to know how the gob'ment managed that feat.

You're SUPRISED...

...that because YOU...

...a NOBODY...

...had a problem getting a named change in Google Maps...


...that Google might kowtow to the US GOVERNMENT?

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On 12/02/2025 at 17:52, sticks wrote:

On 2/12/2025 10:10 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 12.02.25 16:56, sticks wrote:

On 2/12/2025 9:41 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 12.02.25 15:47, sticks wrote:

On 2/12/2025 8:30 AM, Wilf wrote:

On 11/02/2025 at 13:17, badgolferman wrote:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet. Doesn't >>>>>>> America-based Apple follow official government sources?

Maybe they're not as craven as the guys at Google.

They got it right now today. Gulf of America

Sieg heil, mein Führer!

gonna be some tough times ahead for you Marxists.

Don't think so.
Great fun ahead!

Thanks, Fidel.

Then together, you're FidelSticks


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On 2025-02-12 15:56:48 +0000, sticks said:

On 2/12/2025 9:41 AM, J�rg Lorenz wrote:

On 12.02.25 15:47, sticks wrote:

On 2/12/2025 8:30 AM, Wilf wrote:

On 11/02/2025 at 13:17, badgolferman wrote:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet.� Doesn't >>>>> America-based Apple follow official government sources?

Maybe they're not as craven as the guys at Google.

They got it right now today.� Gulf of America

Sieg heil, mein F�hrer!

gonna be some tough times ahead for you Marxists.

Harpo and Groucho were the best. :-p

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On 2025-02-12 12:02, badgolferman wrote:

Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 12.02.25 05:50, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-02-11 13:17:00 +0000, badgolferman said:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet.
Doesn't America-based Apple follow official government sources?

Tim C(r)ook is more than happy to appease Trump the Chump and his
moronic ideas ... :-\


Apple Adopting 'Gulf of America' Naming for Apple Maps

Idiot!
He doesn't!
You are a lier:

https://up.picr.de/49254698zt.png

Lorenz, stop being so wrong all the time. Just accept that there's a
new name. Say it with me...

"Gulf of America".

See how much easier that is to say out loud?

So you're a quisling in all things...

You're being distracted.

Are grocery prices down?

As the war in Ukraine been ended?

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On 2/12/2025 2:08 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2025-02-12 12:02, badgolferman wrote:

Lorenz, stop being so wrong all the time.  Just accept that there's a
new name.  Say it with me...

"Gulf of America".

See how much easier that is to say out loud?

So you're a quisling in all things...

You're being distracted.

Are grocery prices down?

As the war in Ukraine been ended?

Nice Rachael Maddow impersonation +1


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On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 20:51:22 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

Are grocery prices down?

As the war in Ukraine been ended?

Nice Rachael Maddow impersonation +1

What does this response mean?

Hi badgolferman,

I laughed out loud when I saw sticks' response, which was rather apropos.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Maddow>

Rachel Maddow is a classic anti-Fox-news MSNBC far-left liberal who intones incessantly feeding the masses anti-Trump whataboutism far-left rhetoric.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism>

Whenever someone says "Are grocery prices down", that's a form of ad
hominem attacks because the person saying it can't formulate an adult
argument to the naming of this particular body of water by the US gob'ment.

I'm not sure who said that ad hominem attack, but it probably was Alan
Baker, who, as you know, owns the IQ of a fifth grader - and shows it.

His ad hominem attack to ANYTHING that the USA does is the same.
It never changes.

But back to Rachel Maddow... as his point of view was spot on perfect.

Essentially, as I understood it, sticks was saying that the childishly
inept whataboutism of "what about grocery prices" misses the point so completely that whoever said it used childish fifth-grade attack logic.

If someone says (or does) something you don't understand - attack them!

Same as Rachel Maddow does when she incessantly drones on about anything possible that she can do to claim a whataboutism that her public loves to
hear.

BTW, Rachel Maddow is no different than, oh, say, Laura Ingraham, Sean
Hannity or Tucker Carlson in that she caters to the far left as much as
they cater to the far right. (Me? I'm balanced. I think for myself.)

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On 2025-02-12 12:51, badgolferman wrote:

sticks wrote:

On 2/12/2025 2:08 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2025-02-12 12:02, badgolferman wrote:

Lorenz, stop being so wrong all the time.  Just accept that
there's a new name.  Say it with me...

"Gulf of America".

See how much easier that is to say out loud?

So you're a quisling in all things...

You're being distracted.

Are grocery prices down?

As the war in Ukraine been ended?

Nice Rachael Maddow impersonation +1

What does this response mean?

He seems to think that because his manhood is so fragile that he would
be offended to such a reply to him that I'd be as weak.

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On 2025-02-12 13:14, Marion wrote:

On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 20:51:22 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

Are grocery prices down?

As the war in Ukraine been ended?

Nice Rachael Maddow impersonation +1

What does this response mean?

Hi badgolferman,

I laughed out loud when I saw sticks' response, which was rather apropos. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Maddow>

Rachel Maddow is a classic anti-Fox-news MSNBC far-left liberal who intones incessantly feeding the masses anti-Trump whataboutism far-left rhetoric. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism>

Whenever someone says "Are grocery prices down", that's a form of ad
hominem attacks because the person saying it can't formulate an adult argument to the naming of this particular body of water by the US gob'ment.

How in the WORLD is asking that question an "ad hominem" attack?

I'm not sure who said that ad hominem attack, but it probably was Alan
Baker, who, as you know, owns the IQ of a fifth grader - and shows it.

His ad hominem attack to ANYTHING that the USA does is the same.
It never changes.

"ad hominem" literally means "to the person".

So asking about the price of groceries is in no way an attack "to the
person".

But back to Rachel Maddow... as his point of view was spot on perfect.

Essentially, as I understood it, sticks was saying that the childishly
inept whataboutism of "what about grocery prices" misses the point so completely that whoever said it used childish fifth-grade attack logic.

If someone says (or does) something you don't understand - attack them!

Same as Rachel Maddow does when she incessantly drones on about anything possible that she can do to claim a whataboutism that her public loves to hear.

BTW, Rachel Maddow is no different than, oh, say, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson in that she caters to the far left as much as
they cater to the far right. (Me? I'm balanced. I think for myself.)

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On 2/12/2025 2:57 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2025-02-12 12:51, badgolferman wrote:

sticks wrote:

On 2/12/2025 2:08 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2025-02-12 12:02, badgolferman wrote:

Lorenz, stop being so wrong all the time.  Just accept that
there's a new name.  Say it with me...

"Gulf of America".

See how much easier that is to say out loud?

So you're a quisling in all things...

You're being distracted.

Are grocery prices down?

As the war in Ukraine been ended?

Nice Rachael Maddow impersonation +1

What does this response mean?

He seems to think that because his manhood is so fragile that he would
be offended to such a reply to him that I'd be as weak.

I wasn't calling you a fag, but it is telling you went there.
BTW I'm not offended at all. I'm laffin'. You just sound like MadCow

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On 2025-02-12 13:47, sticks wrote:

On 2/12/2025 2:57 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2025-02-12 12:51, badgolferman wrote:

sticks wrote:

On 2/12/2025 2:08 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2025-02-12 12:02, badgolferman wrote:

Lorenz, stop being so wrong all the time.  Just accept that
there's a new name.  Say it with me...

"Gulf of America".

See how much easier that is to say out loud?

So you're a quisling in all things...

You're being distracted.

Are grocery prices down?

As the war in Ukraine been ended?

Nice Rachael Maddow impersonation +1

What does this response mean?

He seems to think that because his manhood is so fragile that he would
be offended to such a reply to him that I'd be as weak.

I wasn't calling you a fag, but it is telling you went there.
BTW I'm not offended at all.  I'm laffin'.  You just sound like MadCow

LOL!

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On 11.02.25 14:17, badgolferman wrote:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet. Doesn't America-based Apple follow official government sources?

------------------------------

The body of water formerly known in the United States as the Gulf of
Mexico is now listed for US-based users of Google Maps as the Gulf of America.

The change follows an executive order by US President Donald Trump
renaming the area. Google has previously said it has “a longstanding practice of applying name changes when they have been updated in
official government sources.”

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/11/business/trump-gulf-of-america-google-maps-hnk-intl/index.html

https://apnews.com/article/gulf-mexico-america-trump-sheinbaum-google-map-a1edcea55462b1df747295526787b959

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On 12.02.25 15:47, sticks wrote:

On 2/12/2025 8:30 AM, Wilf wrote:

On 11/02/2025 at 13:17, badgolferman wrote:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet.  Doesn't
America-based Apple follow official government sources?

Maybe they're not as craven as the guys at Google.

They got it right now today. Gulf of America

You are one of these mentally handicapped Red Necks:

Many who write follow AP style

Users of the Google map app in the United States will now see the body
of water referred to as the Gulf of America, the company said. Mexican
users would see “Gulf of Mexico.” Elsewhere in the world, Google
identifies it as “Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America).”

But the AP’s decision is influential because many news outlets and other organizations use it as an arbiter of how to consistently refer to things.

Some larger outlets have their own rules.

—The New York Times said it would continue to use Gulf of Mexico, while noting Trump’s renaming in stories that discuss that issue. The gulf,
which borders Mexico and Cuba as well as the United States, has been
known as the Gulf of Mexico for more than 400 years.

—The Washington Post also said it would use Gulf of Mexico in most
references because it “is not solely within the United States’
jurisdiction and the name of Gulf of America might confuse global readers.”

*LOL*


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On 14.02.25 16:28, sticks wrote:

On 2/14/2025 2:02 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

They got it right now today.  Gulf of America

You are one of these mentally handicapped Red Necks:

Thank you!
But can you learn to spell it correctly? Redneck!

"hillbilly"
Better now?


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On 2/14/2025 9:47 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 14.02.25 16:28, sticks wrote:

On 2/14/2025 2:02 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

They got it right now today.  Gulf of America

You are one of these mentally handicapped Red Necks:

Thank you!
But can you learn to spell it correctly? Redneck!

"hillbilly"
Better now?

Well George, they're not the same, but either will work for your racist stereotype.

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On 2/14/2025 2:02 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

They got it right now today.  Gulf of America

You are one of these mentally handicapped Red Necks:

Thank you!
But can you learn to spell it correctly? Redneck!

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On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:41:09 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

We know you are one of the confused readers.

I wonder if the esteemed Professor Lorenz is aware that, in Italy, the city
we correctly call "Rome" shows up, for Italians, spelled wrongly - since it incorrectly shows up as "Roma" instead on their Google, Apple & Bing maps.

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On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 16:54:44 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

Thank you!
But can you learn to spell it correctly? Redneck!

"hillbilly"
Better now?

A hillbilly is someone from the mountains of Appalachia �X like West Virginia, western Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky. A redneck can be from anywhere, even places like California, New York or even Canada. Rednecks
are a higher class than hillbillies.

Always purposefully helpfully striving to add on-topic value...

Since our esteemed Professor Lorenz has so eloquently brought up the
subject, I feel it apropos to observe that, in a sense, both the term
Redneck & Hillbilly generally deprecatingly refer to white, rural,
uneducated working-class people... the Hillbilly hails generally from the Appalachians while the Redneck is more broadly associated with the South.

However, as badgolferman noted, there's no legal restriction on using these endearing words for someone like, oh, maybe me. Since I live in the boonies
of Silicon Valley, I often describe my "redneck repairs" where, in my use,
it's of the sense that the back of my neck is sunburned from the outdoors.

Note: Since I live in California, my pronouns are Me, Myself, and I.

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On 2/13/25 17:03, badgolferman wrote:

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet. Doesn't
America-based Apple follow official government sources?

------------------------------

The body of water formerly known in the United States as the Gulf of
Mexico is now listed for US-based users of Google Maps as the Gulf of
America.

The change follows an executive order by US President Donald Trump
renaming the area. Google has previously said it has “a longstanding
practice of applying name changes when they have been updated in
official government sources.”

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/11/business/trump-gulf-of-america-google-maps-hnk-intl/index.html

Google has tacitly admitted to removing negative reviews after changing the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America on Google Maps. The
company has also turned off the ability to suggest edits or report inaccuracies for the Gulf of America.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dimitarmixmihov/2025/02/13/google-maps-admits-deleting-critical-gulf-of-america-reviews/

Censorship certainly looks that way.
This one gets a "review is no longer available":

<https://maps.app.goo.gl/8MBUnxizFQYsq7Fx5>



-hh

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On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:58:54 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

Rednecks are actually quite ingenious often times. They are like
MacGyver, having the ability to fix anything to suit their needs.
There are quite a few websites dedicated to the term, "There, I fixed
it!" highlighting some of their masterpieces. Here's one such website: https://failblog.cheezburger.com/thereifixedit

Enjoyed that blog. Loved the spoon on the door handle probably the most.

My redneck repairs are not as elegant. Mine are more like Popsicle sticks around frozen orange juice containers duct taped to a leaky water pipe.

So that we can further edify Professor Lorenz, that's a Redneck repair.
That's NOT a Hillbilly repair!

A Hillbilly repair of a leaky wooden water pipe would be patched with
layers of moss and squirrel pelts, sealed with sap, and reinforced with
woven grapevines. The water flow will then be regulated by a strategically placed, carved wooden plug, and the whole system is gravity-fed from a
spring higher up the mountain and led to a large oak keg in the basement.

Oh, and the Redneck water pipe is to fill the hot tub.
The Hillbilly water pipe is to cool the whisky still.

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On 15.02.25 04:24, -hh wrote:

On 2/13/25 17:03, badgolferman wrote:

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

It looks like Apple Maps has not updated their database yet. Doesn't
America-based Apple follow official government sources?

------------------------------

The body of water formerly known in the United States as the Gulf of
Mexico is now listed for US-based users of Google Maps as the Gulf of
America.

The change follows an executive order by US President Donald Trump
renaming the area. Google has previously said it has “a longstanding
practice of applying name changes when they have been updated in
official government sources.”

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/11/business/trump-gulf-of-america-google-maps-hnk-intl/index.html

Google has tacitly admitted to removing negative reviews after changing the >> name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America on Google Maps. The
company has also turned off the ability to suggest edits or report
inaccuracies for the Gulf of America.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dimitarmixmihov/2025/02/13/google-maps-admits-deleting-critical-gulf-of-america-reviews/

Censorship certainly looks that way.
This one gets a "review is no longer available":

+1

<https://maps.app.goo.gl/8MBUnxizFQYsq7Fx5>

https://up.picr.de/49264805ge.png

The Trump regime is a bunch of fascists and the tech companies are
nothing but lickspittles.

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On 2/15/2025 4:53 AM, Chris wrote:

sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

On 2/14/2025 2:02 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

They got it right now today.  Gulf of America

You are one of these mentally handicapped Red Necks:

Thank you!
But can you learn to spell it correctly? Redneck!

From the person who has a permanent misspelling in their sig... lol

Oh shit. You really zinged me there.


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On 2/15/2025 12:27 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

At least we know now what we have to do. The Americans are the most unreliable idiots. Thank god we do not owe them anything.

Cool, we'll keep our money at home then. Fight your own wars in the
future too.

Trump wants to be a dealmaker? He gives away everything free and works systematically against the interests of the citizens of the USA.

You are one delusional marxist.

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On 15.02.25 11:53, Chris wrote:

sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

On 2/14/2025 2:02 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

They got it right now today.  Gulf of America

You are one of these mentally handicapped Red Necks:

Thank you!
But can you learn to spell it correctly? Redneck!

From the person who has a permanent misspelling in their sig... lol

+1; *ROTFLSTC*


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On 15.02.25 15:59, Chris wrote:

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Jörg Lorenz wrote:

The Trump regime is a bunch of fascists and the tech companies are
nothing but lickspittles.

Why do people from Europe pay so much attention to American politics?
Surely there are issues closer to home you should be bitching and
moaning about.

When your despot appeases another despot on our borders, risking further conflict of course we care a lot.

Are you secretly jealous of us?

Not in the slightest.

*FACK*!
At least we know now what we have to do. The Americans are the most
unreliable idiots. Thank god we do not owe them anything.

Trump wants to be a dealmaker? He gives away everything free and works systematically against the interests of the citizens of the USA.


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On 2025-02-15 18:40:10 +0000, sticks said:

On 2/15/2025 12:27 PM, J�rg Lorenz wrote:

At least we know now what we have to do. The Americans are the most
unreliable idiots. Thank god we do not owe them anything.

Cool, we'll keep our money at home then. Fight your own wars in the
future too.

America sticking their noses into other countries' business *causes*
half the wars or makes them much worse ... Vietnam, Korea, Afganistan,
...

Trump wants to be a dealmaker? He gives away everything free and works
systematically against the interests of the citizens of the USA.

You are one delusional marxist.

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On 15.02.25 19:40, sticks wrote:

On 2/15/2025 12:27 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

At least we know now what we have to do. The Americans are the most
unreliable idiots. Thank god we do not owe them anything.

Cool, we'll keep our money at home then. Fight your own wars in the
future too.

Trump wants to be a dealmaker? He gives away everything free and works
systematically against the interests of the citizens of the USA.

You are one delusional marxist.

You talk about things you do not really understand.


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On 15.02.25 22:03, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-02-15 18:40:10 +0000, sticks said:

On 2/15/2025 12:27 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

At least we know now what we have to do. The Americans are the most
unreliable idiots. Thank god we do not owe them anything.

Cool, we'll keep our money at home then. Fight your own wars in the
future too.

America sticking their noses into other countries' business *causes*
half the wars or makes them much worse ... Vietnam, Korea, Afganistan,
...

Americans love to make war. When they recognise they will lose they
disappear leaving a mess behind. Lately Iraq and Afghanistan. But it all started in Vietnam. They never won a war and rebuilt a country anymore
in the last 70 years. Quite destructive.


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On 2/15/2025 3:53 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 15.02.25 19:40, sticks wrote:

On 2/15/2025 12:27 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

At least we know now what we have to do. The Americans are the most
unreliable idiots. Thank god we do not owe them anything.

Cool, we'll keep our money at home then. Fight your own wars in the
future too.

Trump wants to be a dealmaker? He gives away everything free and works
systematically against the interests of the citizens of the USA.

You are one delusional marxist.

You talk about things you do not really understand.

You have no idea what I know or don't. You just project, like "The
Americans are the most unreliable idiots." You're just a pompous ass
who I actually killfiled, but relaxed that for now because you're so
fucking rude and obnoxious I kind of get a kick out of it. Those of us
in the world that aren't stupid leftists like you are done caring about
what you all think. Fortunately, Americans woke up to the lies of your
ilk and counting on this administration to keep fixing shit.

I hope you don't like any of it. That means we're right on target.

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On 2/15/2025 3:03 PM, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-02-15 18:40:10 +0000, sticks said:

On 2/15/2025 12:27 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

At least we know now what we have to do. The Americans are the most
unreliable idiots. Thank god we do not owe them anything.

Cool, we'll keep our money at home then.  Fight your own wars in the
future too.

America sticking their noses into other countries' business *causes*
half the wars or makes them much worse ... Vietnam, Korea, Afganistan, ...

You seem to forget about those two BIG wars we saved the world from.
But whatever...

This current war in Ukraine would probably never have started if the
Europeans had not wanted it. They fortunately had a complete moron in
Joe Biden as POTUS to go along with their agenda. But whatever...

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On 2/15/2025 4:07 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 15.02.25 22:03, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-02-15 18:40:10 +0000, sticks said:

On 2/15/2025 12:27 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

At least we know now what we have to do. The Americans are the most
unreliable idiots. Thank god we do not owe them anything.

Cool, we'll keep our money at home then. Fight your own wars in the
future too.

America sticking their noses into other countries' business *causes*
half the wars or makes them much worse ... Vietnam, Korea, Afganistan,
...

Americans love to make war.

Not Americans, some of the American politicians. Just like plenty of
them overseas.

When they recognise they will lose they
disappear leaving a mess behind.

We now won't fight any wars unless we are allowed to win. Until the
libs get back in power at least.

Lately Iraq and Afghanistan. But it all
started in Vietnam. They never won a war and rebuilt a country anymore
in the last 70 years. Quite destructive.

OK fine. Get all your EU pals to fund NATO at least 2% and you take
care of it from here. From now on, if we get attacked in any way, I
think you can expect to see total destruction of that enemy. And we
ain't rebuilding shit.


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On 2025-02-15 14:21, sticks wrote:

On 2/15/2025 3:03 PM, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-02-15 18:40:10 +0000, sticks said:

On 2/15/2025 12:27 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

At least we know now what we have to do. The Americans are the most
unreliable idiots. Thank god we do not owe them anything.

Cool, we'll keep our money at home then.  Fight your own wars in the
future too.

America sticking their noses into other countries' business *causes*
half the wars or makes them much worse ... Vietnam, Korea,
Afganistan, ...

You seem to forget about those two BIG wars we saved the world from. But whatever...

This current war in Ukraine would probably never have started if the

Europeans had not wanted it.  They fortunately had a complete moron in
Joe Biden as POTUS to go along with their agenda.  But whatever...

Explain why anyone in Europe would have WANTED the war in Ukraine.

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On 2025-02-15 14:36, sticks wrote:

On 2/15/2025 4:07 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 15.02.25 22:03, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-02-15 18:40:10 +0000, sticks said:

On 2/15/2025 12:27 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

At least we know now what we have to do. The Americans are the most
unreliable idiots. Thank god we do not owe them anything.

Cool, we'll keep our money at home then.  Fight your own wars in the
future too.

America sticking their noses into other countries' business *causes*
half the wars or makes them much worse ... Vietnam, Korea, Afganistan,
...

Americans love to make war.

Not Americans, some of the American politicians.  Just like plenty of
them overseas.

When they recognise they will lose they
disappear leaving a mess behind.

We now won't fight any wars unless we are allowed to win.  Until the
libs get back in power at least.

Lately Iraq and Afghanistan. But it all
started in Vietnam. They never won a war and rebuilt a country anymore
in the last 70 years. Quite destructive.

OK fine.  Get all your EU pals to fund NATO at least 2% and you take
care of it from here.  From now on, if we get attacked in any way, I
think you can expect to see total destruction of that enemy.  And we
ain't rebuilding shit.

Idiot.

NATO isn't "funded" in the sense you think you understand.

The 2% you're referring to is a commitment for each member to spend 2%
of their GDP on defence.

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On 2025-02-15 22:21:56 +0000, sticks said:

On 2/15/2025 3:03 PM, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-02-15 18:40:10 +0000, sticks said:

On 2/15/2025 12:27 PM, J�rg Lorenz wrote:

At least we know now what we have to do. The Americans are the most
unreliable idiots. Thank god we do not owe them anything.

Cool, we'll keep our money at home then.� Fight your own wars in the
future too.

America sticking their noses into other countries' business *causes*
half the wars or makes them much worse ... Vietnam, Korea, Afganistan,
...

You seem to forget about those two BIG wars we saved the world from.

Largely according to Hollyweird, rather than in actual reality. There
are a lot of movies about event in World War I and II were Americans
supposedly saved the day, but in real history they weren't even there
at all.

In terms of World War II, Americans were fighting their own battles in
the Pacific as opposed to simply poking their noses into other
countries' business (although an American embargo against Japan was one
of the reasons).

But whatever...

This current war in Ukraine would probably never have started if the Europeans had not wanted it. They fortunately had a complete moron in
Joe Biden as POTUS to go along with their agenda. But whatever...

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On 2025-02-15 22:27:33 +0000, sticks said:

On 2/15/2025 3:53 PM, J�rg Lorenz wrote:

On 15.02.25 19:40, sticks wrote:

On 2/15/2025 12:27 PM, J�rg Lorenz wrote:

At least we know now what we have to do. The Americans are the most
unreliable idiots. Thank god we do not owe them anything.

Cool, we'll keep our money at home then. Fight your own wars in the
future too.

Trump wants to be a dealmaker? He gives away everything free and works >>>> systematically against the interests of the citizens of the USA.

You are one delusional marxist.

You talk about things you do not really understand.

You have no idea what I know or don't. You just project, like "The
Americans are the most unreliable idiots."

Americans aren't "unreliable idiots" ... they can be highly relied upon
to be idiots. :-p

You're just a pompous ass who I actually killfiled, but relaxed that
for now because you're so fucking rude and obnoxious I kind of get a
kick out of it. Those of us in the world that aren't stupid leftists
like you are done caring about what you all think. Fortunately,
Americans woke up to the lies of your ilk and counting on this
administration to keep fixing shit.

I hope you don't like any of it. That means we're right on target.

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On 2/15/2025 5:53 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2025-02-15 14:36, sticks wrote:

On 2/15/2025 4:07 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 15.02.25 22:03, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-02-15 18:40:10 +0000, sticks said:

On 2/15/2025 12:27 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

At least we know now what we have to do. The Americans are the most >>>>>> unreliable idiots. Thank god we do not owe them anything.

Cool, we'll keep our money at home then.  Fight your own wars in the >>>>> future too.

America sticking their noses into other countries' business *causes*
half the wars or makes them much worse ... Vietnam, Korea, Afganistan, >>>> ...

Americans love to make war.

Not Americans, some of the American politicians.  Just like plenty of
them overseas.

When they recognise they will lose they
disappear leaving a mess behind.

We now won't fight any wars unless we are allowed to win.  Until the
libs get back in power at least.

Lately Iraq and Afghanistan. But it all
started in Vietnam. They never won a war and rebuilt a country anymore
in the last 70 years. Quite destructive.

OK fine.  Get all your EU pals to fund NATO at least 2% and you take
care of it from here.  From now on, if we get attacked in any way, I
think you can expect to see total destruction of that enemy.  And we
ain't rebuilding shit.

Idiot.

NATO isn't "funded" in the sense you think you understand.

The 2% you're referring to is a commitment for each member to spend 2%
of their GDP on defence.

You're the fucking idiot. The point is the European countries have had
to be pushed to up their defence budgets. Time has come for you all in
Europe to quit hating each other and take care of yourselves.

--
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On 2/15/2025 5:56 PM, Your Name wrote:

Largely according to Hollyweird, rather than in actual reality. There
are a lot of movies about event in World War I and II were Americans supposedly saved the day, but in real history they weren't even there at
all.

This is about the dumbest thing seen in some time. Nice work.

--
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On 2/15/2025 5:54 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2025-02-15 14:21, sticks wrote:

On 2/15/2025 3:03 PM, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-02-15 18:40:10 +0000, sticks said:

On 2/15/2025 12:27 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

At least we know now what we have to do. The Americans are the most
unreliable idiots. Thank god we do not owe them anything.

Cool, we'll keep our money at home then.  Fight your own wars in the
future too.

America sticking their noses into other countries' business *causes*
half the wars or makes them much worse ... Vietnam, Korea,
Afganistan, ...

You seem to forget about those two BIG wars we saved the world from.
But whatever...

This current war in Ukraine would probably never have started if the

Europeans had not wanted it.  They fortunately had a complete moron in
Joe Biden as POTUS to go along with their agenda.  But whatever...

Explain why anyone in Europe would have WANTED the war in Ukraine.

Putin. They wanted him gone, dumbass. Perfectly willing to let
Ukrainians die needlessly.

--
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Darwinism Is Junk Science!!

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On 2/15/2025 6:03 PM, Your Name wrote:

You have no idea what I know or don't.  You just project, like "The
Americans are the most unreliable idiots."

Americans aren't "unreliable idiots" ... they can be highly relied upon
to be idiots.  😛

hard to argue with such a thoughtful and informative post.

I got nothing against Europeans. Looking forward to seeing them pull
their pants up and make it on their own.

--
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On 2025-02-15 16:46, sticks wrote:

On 2/15/2025 5:53 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2025-02-15 14:36, sticks wrote:

On 2/15/2025 4:07 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 15.02.25 22:03, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-02-15 18:40:10 +0000, sticks said:

On 2/15/2025 12:27 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

At least we know now what we have to do. The Americans are the most >>>>>>> unreliable idiots. Thank god we do not owe them anything.

Cool, we'll keep our money at home then.  Fight your own wars in the >>>>>> future too.

America sticking their noses into other countries' business *causes* >>>>> half the wars or makes them much worse ... Vietnam, Korea, Afganistan, >>>>> ...

Americans love to make war.

Not Americans, some of the American politicians.  Just like plenty of
them overseas.

When they recognise they will lose they
disappear leaving a mess behind.

We now won't fight any wars unless we are allowed to win.  Until the
libs get back in power at least.

Lately Iraq and Afghanistan. But it all
started in Vietnam. They never won a war and rebuilt a country anymore >>>> in the last 70 years. Quite destructive.

OK fine.  Get all your EU pals to fund NATO at least 2% and you take
care of it from here.  From now on, if we get attacked in any way, I
think you can expect to see total destruction of that enemy.  And we
ain't rebuilding shit.

Idiot.

NATO isn't "funded" in the sense you think you understand.

The 2% you're referring to is a commitment for each member to spend 2%
of their GDP on defence.

You're the fucking idiot.  The point is the European countries have had
to be pushed to up their defence budgets.  Time has come for you all in Europe to quit hating each other and take care of yourselves.

Do you know what the actual figures are?

Do you know if they're actually important?

<https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/2024/04/09/there-is-more-to-nato-burden-sharing-than-the-2-spending-dogma/>

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On 2025-02-15 16:48, sticks wrote:

On 2/15/2025 5:54 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2025-02-15 14:21, sticks wrote:

On 2/15/2025 3:03 PM, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-02-15 18:40:10 +0000, sticks said:

On 2/15/2025 12:27 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

At least we know now what we have to do. The Americans are the most >>>>>> unreliable idiots. Thank god we do not owe them anything.

Cool, we'll keep our money at home then.  Fight your own wars in
the future too.

America sticking their noses into other countries' business *causes*
half the wars or makes them much worse ... Vietnam, Korea,
Afganistan, ...

You seem to forget about those two BIG wars we saved the world from.
But whatever...

This current war in Ukraine would probably never have started if the >>> Europeans had not wanted it.  They fortunately had a complete moron

in Joe Biden as POTUS to go along with their agenda.  But whatever...

Explain why anyone in Europe would have WANTED the war in Ukraine.

Putin.  They wanted him gone, dumbass.  Perfectly willing to let
Ukrainians die needlessly.

How is a war in Ukraine going to get rid of Putin?

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On 2025-02-15 15:56, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-02-15 22:21:56 +0000, sticks said:

On 2/15/2025 3:03 PM, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-02-15 18:40:10 +0000, sticks said:

On 2/15/2025 12:27 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

At least we know now what we have to do. The Americans are the most
unreliable idiots. Thank god we do not owe them anything.

Cool, we'll keep our money at home then.  Fight your own wars in the
future too.

America sticking their noses into other countries' business *causes*
half the wars or makes them much worse ... Vietnam, Korea,
Afganistan, ...

You seem to forget about those two BIG wars we saved the world from.

Largely according to Hollyweird, rather than in actual reality. There
are a lot of movies about event in World War I and II were Americans supposedly saved the day, but in real history they weren't even there at
all.

In terms of World War II, Americans were fighting their own battles in
the Pacific as opposed to simply poking their noses into other
countries' business (although an American embargo against Japan was one
of the reasons).

To be fair, WWII would almost certainly have lasted longer or even been
lost without US participation.

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On 2025-02-15 16:51, sticks wrote:

On 2/15/2025 6:03 PM, Your Name wrote:

You have no idea what I know or don't.  You just project, like "The
Americans are the most unreliable idiots."

Americans aren't "unreliable idiots" ... they can be highly relied
upon to be idiots.  😛

hard to argue with such a thoughtful and informative post.

I got nothing against Europeans.  Looking forward to seeing them pull
their pants up and make it on their own.

They already do, doofus.

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On 2025-02-15 18:33, sticks wrote:

On 2/15/2025 6:54 PM, Alan wrote:

How is a war in Ukraine going to get rid of Putin?

Oh jeeze.  I'm done with this.  Have the last word.

Running away suits you.

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On 2/15/2025 6:54 PM, Alan wrote:

How is a war in Ukraine going to get rid of Putin?

Oh jeeze. I'm done with this. Have the last word.

--
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Darwinism Is Junk Science!!

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On 2025-02-16 00:49:26 +0000, sticks said:

On 2/15/2025 5:56 PM, Your Name wrote:

Largely according to Hollyweird, rather than in actual reality. There
are a lot of movies about event in World War I and II were Americans
supposedly saved the day, but in real history they weren't even there
at all.

This is about the dumbest thing seen in some time. Nice work.

Here are a few examples of Hollyweird war movies that made up lies to
suit themselves, but there are more.

- "U-571" (2000)
This is probably the worst. An American submarine crew captures
a German Enigma machine ... WRONG! It was a British submarine
crew that found an Enigma machine.

- "Enemy at the Gates" (2001)
Russian sniper Vasily Zaytsev embarks on a duel with a German
sniper which, the film implies, changed the course of the
Battle of Stalingrad ... except there is no proof any such
duel ever took place.

- "Pearl Harbour" (2001)
Ben Affleck's US Air Force Pilot character joins the RAF Eagle
Squadron. Yes, the RAF Eagle squadron was made of US-born pilots,
but they were not serving US military pilots and most joined the
RAF after going to Canada and technically being Canadians.

- "The Great Escape" (1963)
Portrays three Americans participating, but in the real event
there was only one American, who later became a British citizen.

- The Battle of the Bulge" (1965)
This one is so bad that even Dwight D. Eisenhower, who was
involved in the real battle, said it was falsified history!
Among many "errors", it ignores the British forces, uses the
wrong tanks, and omits the battle's turning point by the
Allied air power.

- "The Charge of the Light Brigade" (1936)
Not World War I or II, but this movie purposely moved the battle
to a completely different war and different continent to the
real event!

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On 2/15/25 19:53, Alan wrote:

On 2025-02-15 16:46, sticks wrote:

On 2/15/2025 5:53 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2025-02-15 14:36, sticks wrote:

On 2/15/2025 4:07 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 15.02.25 22:03, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-02-15 18:40:10 +0000, sticks said:

On 2/15/2025 12:27 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

At least we know now what we have to do. The Americans are the most >>>>>>>> unreliable idiots. Thank god we do not owe them anything.

Cool, we'll keep our money at home then.  Fight your own wars in the >>>>>>> future too.

America sticking their noses into other countries' business *causes* >>>>>> half the wars or makes them much worse ... Vietnam, Korea,
Afganistan,
...

Americans love to make war.

Not Americans, some of the American politicians.  Just like plenty
of them overseas.

When they recognise they will lose they
disappear leaving a mess behind.

We now won't fight any wars unless we are allowed to win.  Until the
libs get back in power at least.

Lately Iraq and Afghanistan. But it all
started in Vietnam. They never won a war and rebuilt a country anymore >>>>> in the last 70 years. Quite destructive.

OK fine.  Get all your EU pals to fund NATO at least 2% and you take
care of it from here.  From now on, if we get attacked in any way, I
think you can expect to see total destruction of that enemy.  And we
ain't rebuilding shit.

Idiot.

NATO isn't "funded" in the sense you think you understand.

The 2% you're referring to is a commitment for each member to spend
2% of their GDP on defence.

You're the fucking idiot.  The point is the European countries have
had to be pushed to up their defence budgets.  Time has come for you
all in Europe to quit hating each other and take care of yourselves.

Do you know what the actual figures are?

Do you know if they're actually important?

<https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/2024/04/09/there-is-more-to-nato- burden-sharing-than-the-2-spending-dogma/>

The actual directly funded 'NATO budget' is less than $5B/year:

<https://www.nato.int/cps/uk/natohq/topics_67655.htm>

Now regarding the 2% of GDP, that was a ten year goal that was agreed to
back in 2014 ... and yes, 2014 means it was an Obama accomplishment.

The ten year plan for the ramp-up means that no country was previously delinquent in meeting their 2% goal until 2025. Yes, this means that all
of the ranting that Trump did was trying to criticize someone for not
meeting a goal **in advanced of its deadline**

To use an analogy, did "sticks" file their income taxes by January 31st?
Well gosh, why not?
Because pointing out that they're not due until 4/15 isn't an excuse.


-hh

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On 2025-02-16 09:15, -hh wrote:

On 2/15/25 19:53, Alan wrote:

On 2025-02-15 16:46, sticks wrote:

On 2/15/2025 5:53 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2025-02-15 14:36, sticks wrote:

On 2/15/2025 4:07 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 15.02.25 22:03, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-02-15 18:40:10 +0000, sticks said:

On 2/15/2025 12:27 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

At least we know now what we have to do. The Americans are the >>>>>>>>> most
unreliable idiots. Thank god we do not owe them anything.

Cool, we'll keep our money at home then.  Fight your own wars in >>>>>>>> the
future too.

America sticking their noses into other countries' business *causes* >>>>>>> half the wars or makes them much worse ... Vietnam, Korea,
Afganistan,
...

Americans love to make war.

Not Americans, some of the American politicians.  Just like plenty
of them overseas.

When they recognise they will lose they
disappear leaving a mess behind.

We now won't fight any wars unless we are allowed to win.  Until
the libs get back in power at least.

Lately Iraq and Afghanistan. But it all
started in Vietnam. They never won a war and rebuilt a country
anymore
in the last 70 years. Quite destructive.

OK fine.  Get all your EU pals to fund NATO at least 2% and you
take care of it from here.  From now on, if we get attacked in any
way, I think you can expect to see total destruction of that
enemy.  And we ain't rebuilding shit.

Idiot.

NATO isn't "funded" in the sense you think you understand.

The 2% you're referring to is a commitment for each member to spend
2% of their GDP on defence.

You're the fucking idiot.  The point is the European countries have
had to be pushed to up their defence budgets.  Time has come for you
all in Europe to quit hating each other and take care of yourselves.

Do you know what the actual figures are?

Do you know if they're actually important?

<https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/2024/04/09/there-is-more-to-nato-
burden-sharing-than-the-2-spending-dogma/>

The actual directly funded 'NATO budget' is less than $5B/year:

<https://www.nato.int/cps/uk/natohq/topics_67655.htm>

Didn't know that number...

...but I knew it would be pretty small.

:-)

Now regarding the 2% of GDP, that was a ten year goal that was agreed to
back in 2014 ... and yes, 2014 means it was an Obama accomplishment.

The ten year plan for the ramp-up means that no country was previously delinquent in meeting their 2% goal until 2025. Yes, this means that all
of the ranting that Trump did was trying to criticize someone for not
meeting a goal **in advanced of its deadline**

To use an analogy, did "sticks" file their income taxes by January 31st?
Well gosh, why not?
Because pointing out that they're not due until 4/15 isn't an excuse.

-hh

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On 2/16/2025 5:46 AM, badgolferman wrote:

This thread was originally all about the differences between Google Maps
and Apple Maps, but it quickly became all about bashing America. At least
all the haters have been exposed.

I would agree, but I wish I would have just ignored the usual trolling
as it is going to be constant and probably won't stop. Two different ideologies these days with large separation. I don't want to spend the
next four years arguing back and forth. It just gets annoying when you
hear these constant attacks of Americans. I just spent the last 4 years watching the most ridiculous people try and destroy the America I knew,
and fortunately my side won the argument over here. EOS

I'll leave you with this one that I think's from the BBC.

<https://rumble.com/v6lherg-trump-is-causing-a-breakdown-of-the-international-liberal-world-order.html>

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On 15/02/2025 at 14:20, badgolferman wrote:

Jörg Lorenz wrote:

The Trump regime is a bunch of fascists and the tech companies are
nothing but lickspittles.

Why do people from Europe pay so much attention to American politics?
Surely there are issues closer to home you should be bitching and
moaning about. Are you secretly jealous of us?

Because your politics affects us. Our greatest ally has suddenly
decided to stop being an ally and that is huge for us. Instead Trump
has decided to bully your friends and decides to impose 20% tariffs on
imports from the UK because he thinks we levy 20% Value Added Tax (VAT)
on US imports. Actually VAT is a sales tax on all purchases, whatever
their origin, even items produced within the UK. I might have thought
that maybe Trump just doesn't know what VAT is, but you have sales taxes
at city, state and federal levels, so are you levying those taxes
unfairly on all your imports?

--
Wilf

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On 2025-02-17 05:02, badgolferman wrote:

Wilf <wilf21@is.invalid> wrote:

On 15/02/2025 at 14:20, badgolferman wrote:

Jörg Lorenz wrote:

The Trump regime is a bunch of fascists and the tech companies are
nothing but lickspittles.

Why do people from Europe pay so much attention to American politics?
Surely there are issues closer to home you should be bitching and
moaning about. Are you secretly jealous of us?

Because your politics affects us. Our greatest ally has suddenly
decided to stop being an ally and that is huge for us. Instead Trump
has decided to bully your friends and decides to impose 20% tariffs on
imports from the UK because he thinks we levy 20% Value Added Tax (VAT)
on US imports. Actually VAT is a sales tax on all purchases, whatever
their origin, even items produced within the UK. I might have thought
that maybe Trump just doesn't know what VAT is, but you have sales taxes
at city, state and federal levels, so are you levying those taxes
unfairly on all your imports?

America has its own budgetary problems and has begun taking actions to address that. Government employees are being reduced and spending is being reduced across the board. We cannot keep pushing the deficit into higher trillions as we have been doing. Trade deficits and foreign military costs are big ticket items which must take the same cuts like the federal government is taking. NATO countries have woken up to the fact that they
must take a bigger burden of defending their own territories than depending on big brother all the time. Here’s an article from a left-leaning publication which describes it better than I can.

https://www.politico.eu/article/us-recedes-nato-scrambles-find-new-leader-munich-security-conference/

If it's being "addressed"...

...if DOGE is really dealing with all the "waste"...

...why have the Republicans voted to lift the debt ceiling so much?

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On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:30:08 +0000, Wilf wrote:

On 15/02/2025 at 14:20, badgolferman wrote:

Jörg Lorenz wrote:

The Trump regime is a bunch of fascists and the tech companies are
nothing but lickspittles.

Why do people from Europe pay so much attention to American politics?
Surely there are issues closer to home you should be bitching and
moaning about. Are you secretly jealous of us?

Because your politics affects us. Our greatest ally has suddenly
decided to stop being an ally and that is huge for us. Instead Trump
has decided to bully your friends and decides to impose 20% tariffs on imports from the UK because he thinks we levy 20% Value Added Tax (VAT)
on US imports. Actually VAT is a sales tax on all purchases, whatever
their origin, even items produced within the UK. I might have thought
that maybe Trump just doesn't know what VAT is, but you have sales taxes
at city, state and federal levels, so are you levying those taxes
unfairly on all your imports?

Well Said Wilf. The Pendejo Administration is hellbent on turning the
clock back 100 or more years, to a time when oligarchs ran unchecked, eventually plunging the economy into a decades-long Great Depression.

Oh, and there was this World War thingy they tried to teach us about in
school.

The US system of checks and balances is sure not perfect, but the lessons
we "learned" from the Depression, helped us develop some mechanisms to
prevent that kind of chaos from repeating. Until a perfect storm from the
Far Right arose again to fuck things up again.

To those of you outside the USA, please keep in mind that the majority of
us did NOT vote for that Fool. We are fighting back with what means we
have, and we hope to be allies with the World again some day.

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government by the least suitable or competent citizens of a state

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On 2025-02-17 17:47, badgolferman wrote:

Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:

To those of you outside the USA, please keep in mind that the majority of
us did NOT vote for that Fool. We are fighting back with what means we
have, and we hope to be allies with the World again some day.

Of those who voted for President, most people did indeed vote for Trump. 77,301,997-75,017,626 https://www.cookpolitical.com/vote-tracker/2024/electoral-college

But as you know, in the US popular vote is immaterial. We go by electoral votes for president. In that case it was a blowout. 312-226 https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president

Quick:

Which president has previous said it shouldn't be decided by the
electoral college?

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On 2025-02-17 18:13, badgolferman wrote:

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2025-02-17 17:47, badgolferman wrote:

Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:

To those of you outside the USA, please keep in mind that the majority of >>>> us did NOT vote for that Fool. We are fighting back with what means we >>>> have, and we hope to be allies with the World again some day.

Of those who voted for President, most people did indeed vote for Trump. >>> 77,301,997-75,017,626
https://www.cookpolitical.com/vote-tracker/2024/electoral-college

But as you know, in the US popular vote is immaterial. We go by electoral >>> votes for president. In that case it was a blowout. 312-226
https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president

Quick:

Which president has previous said it shouldn't be decided by the
electoral college?

Who cares? That’s the way we do it.

Maybe we should do it by land area won. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/mpJk5yyJFM

Maybe you'll say anything provided your guy wins.

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On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 22:40:25 -0000 (UTC), Chris Schram wrote :

Well Said Wilf. The Pendejo Administration is hellbent on turning the
clock back 100 or more years, to a time when oligarchs ran unchecked, eventually plunging the economy into a decades-long Great Depression.

Here in California the Democrats are trying to decrease the gulf between parties by following up on the success of the new naming conventions.

The new name for the San Andreas Fault is now "Newsome's Fault".

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On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 01:47:58 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

To those of you outside the USA, please keep in mind that the majority of
us did NOT vote for that Fool. We are fighting back with what means we
have, and we hope to be allies with the World again some day.

Of those who voted for President, most people did indeed vote for Trump. 77,301,997-75,017,626 https://www.cookpolitical.com/vote-tracker/2024/electoral-college

But as you know, in the US popular vote is immaterial. We go by electoral votes for president. In that case it was a blowout. 312-226 https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president

For what it's worth, the swing states are the only states that mattered.

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On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 02:13:08 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

That's the way we do it.

It's my understanding that the way we do it is there are fundamentally only
two parties who have any chance of winning, as whenever a third (e.g., Bull Moose) party tries to run, it only dilutes the winning party (e.g., it's
how Woodrow Wilson was elected even without any majority, as I understand).

Having said that, we are stuck with the "platform" of those two parties.
If I simplify their platforms, it shows they don't make any sense.

One platform wants to kill babies but doesn't want kids to be killed.
The other platform wants to save the babies but not to save the kids.

Where is the common sense in that?

What party does someone vote for who wants babies to be subject to capital punishment and who wants the 2nd amendment to not be infringed upon?

In other words, more sweetly stated, there's no part for people who believe
in the 2nd amendment and yet who believe in allowing women to abort babies.

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On 18.02.25 02:47, badgolferman wrote:

But as you know, in the US popular vote is immaterial. We go by electoral votes for president. In that case it was a blowout. 312-226 https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president

That is why the US are not a democracy.

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On 17.02.25 23:40, Chris Schram wrote:

To those of you outside the USA, please keep in mind that the majority of
us did NOT vote for that Fool. We are fighting back with what means we
have, and we hope to be allies with the World again some day.

As a European married for over 40 years to an American I never perceived US-governments as "friends" or "allies".

Americans are not reliable enough to be my allies. And Americans talk a
lot about freedom and democracy: That reminds me of the pope talking
about sex. *LOL*

--
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On 2025-02-18, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

On 18.02.25 02:47, badgolferman wrote:

But as you know, in the US popular vote is immaterial. We go by electoral
votes for president. In that case it was a blowout. 312-226
https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president

That is why the US are not a democracy.

The US Electoral College is one of those peculiar concepts carved into
our Constitution by Founding Fathers who could not agree on a damn
thing. Some were concerned that the great unwashed populace was just too
stupid to elect a president. So to get the thing ratified, they made compromises, some of which make little sense once the drugs wear off.

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On 2025-02-18, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

On 17.02.25 23:40, Chris Schram wrote:

To those of you outside the USA, please keep in mind that the majority of
us did NOT vote for that Fool. We are fighting back with what means we
have, and we hope to be allies with the World again some day.

As a European married for over 40 years to an American I never perceived US-governments as "friends" or "allies".

Americans are not reliable enough to be my allies. And Americans talk a
lot about freedom and democracy: That reminds me of the pope talking
about sex. *LOL*

As an American, I must accept the [sometimes fact | sometimes
perception] that the USA acts like the world's policeman. Once upon a
time we had a pretty bad Imperialist tendency, which Pendejo-47 has
recently been making ugly noises about reviving.

So yes, at this point in history "not reliable" is an understatement.

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On 17/02/2025 at 22:40, Chris Schram wrote:

On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:30:08 +0000, Wilf wrote:

On 15/02/2025 at 14:20, badgolferman wrote:

Jörg Lorenz wrote:

The Trump regime is a bunch of fascists and the tech companies are
nothing but lickspittles.

Why do people from Europe pay so much attention to American politics?
Surely there are issues closer to home you should be bitching and
moaning about. Are you secretly jealous of us?

Because your politics affects us. Our greatest ally has suddenly
decided to stop being an ally and that is huge for us. Instead Trump
has decided to bully your friends and decides to impose 20% tariffs on
imports from the UK because he thinks we levy 20% Value Added Tax (VAT)
on US imports. Actually VAT is a sales tax on all purchases, whatever
their origin, even items produced within the UK. I might have thought
that maybe Trump just doesn't know what VAT is, but you have sales taxes
at city, state and federal levels, so are you levying those taxes
unfairly on all your imports?

Well Said Wilf. The Pendejo Administration is hellbent on turning the
clock back 100 or more years, to a time when oligarchs ran unchecked, eventually plunging the economy into a decades-long Great Depression.

Oh, and there was this World War thingy they tried to teach us about in school.

The US system of checks and balances is sure not perfect, but the lessons
we "learned" from the Depression, helped us develop some mechanisms to prevent that kind of chaos from repeating. Until a perfect storm from the
Far Right arose again to fuck things up again.

To those of you outside the USA, please keep in mind that the majority of
us did NOT vote for that Fool. We are fighting back with what means we
have, and we hope to be allies with the World again some day.

I'm just hoping that your new president will let go of the reins of
power in 4 years' time.


--
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On 18.02.25 12:59, badgolferman wrote:

Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 17.02.25 23:40, Chris Schram wrote:

To those of you outside the USA, please keep in mind that the
majority of us did NOT vote for that Fool. We are fighting back
with what means we have, and we hope to be allies with the World
again some day.

As a European married for over 40 years to an American I never
perceived US-governments as "friends" or "allies".

Americans are not reliable enough to be my allies. And Americans talk
a lot about freedom and democracy: That reminds me of the pope talking
about sex. LOL

Maybe someday when the US stops being the world's policeman you will
also learn to speak Chinese and Russian.

Finally all will speak German or French. Your choice.
*SCNR*

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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On 2025-02-18 09:30, badgolferman wrote:

Alan wrote:

On 2025-02-17 18:13, badgolferman wrote:

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2025-02-17 17:47, badgolferman wrote:

Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:

To those of you outside the USA, please keep in mind that the
majority of us did NOT vote for that Fool. We are fighting
back with what means we have, and we hope to be allies with
the World again some day.

Of those who voted for President, most people did indeed vote
for Trump. 77,301,997-75,017,626
https://www.cookpolitical.com/vote-tracker/2024/electoral-college

But as you know, in the US popular vote is immaterial. We go by
electoral votes for president. In that case it was a blowout.
312-226 https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president

Quick:

Which president has previous said it shouldn't be decided by the
electoral college?

Who cares? That’s the way we do it.

Maybe we should do it by land area won.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/mpJk5yyJFM

Maybe you'll say anything provided your guy wins.

Well, he is the president of every US citizen and legal resident. If
you're not careful he could be your president too, Mr. 51st state...

You are exactly who you seem to be.

A coward hiding behind a bully.

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On 18.02.25 18:30, badgolferman wrote:

Alan wrote:

Maybe you'll say anything provided your guy wins.

Well, he is the president of every US citizen and legal resident. If
you're not careful he could be your president too, Mr. 51st state...

Bullshit! Denmark will integrate the US into Greenland.


--
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On 18.02.25 18:48, Alan wrote:

On 2025-02-18 09:30, badgolferman wrote:

Alan wrote:

On 2025-02-17 18:13, badgolferman wrote:

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2025-02-17 17:47, badgolferman wrote:

Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:

To those of you outside the USA, please keep in mind that the
majority of us did NOT vote for that Fool. We are fighting
back with what means we have, and we hope to be allies with
the World again some day.

Of those who voted for President, most people did indeed vote
for Trump. 77,301,997-75,017,626
https://www.cookpolitical.com/vote-tracker/2024/electoral-college

But as you know, in the US popular vote is immaterial. We go by
electoral votes for president. In that case it was a blowout.
312-226 https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president

Quick:

Which president has previous said it shouldn't be decided by the
electoral college?

Who cares? That’s the way we do it.

Maybe we should do it by land area won.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/mpJk5yyJFM

Maybe you'll say anything provided your guy wins.

Well, he is the president of every US citizen and legal resident. If
you're not careful he could be your president too, Mr. 51st state...

You are exactly who you seem to be.

A coward hiding behind a bully.

He is an old senile man. Not more and not less.

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On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 11:39:59 +0000, Wilf wrote:

On 17/02/2025 at 22:40, Chris Schram wrote:

On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:30:08 +0000, Wilf wrote:

On 15/02/2025 at 14:20, badgolferman wrote:

Jörg Lorenz wrote:

The Trump regime is a bunch of fascists and the tech companies are
nothing but lickspittles.

Why do people from Europe pay so much attention to American politics?
Surely there are issues closer to home you should be bitching and
moaning about. Are you secretly jealous of us?

Because your politics affects us. Our greatest ally has suddenly
decided to stop being an ally and that is huge for us. Instead Trump
has decided to bully your friends and decides to impose 20% tariffs on
imports from the UK because he thinks we levy 20% Value Added Tax
(VAT) on US imports. Actually VAT is a sales tax on all purchases,
whatever their origin, even items produced within the UK. I might
have thought that maybe Trump just doesn't know what VAT is, but you
have sales taxes at city, state and federal levels, so are you levying
those taxes unfairly on all your imports?

Well Said Wilf. The Pendejo Administration is hellbent on turning the
clock back 100 or more years, to a time when oligarchs ran unchecked,
eventually plunging the economy into a decades-long Great Depression.

Oh, and there was this World War thingy they tried to teach us about in
school.

The US system of checks and balances is sure not perfect, but the
lessons we "learned" from the Depression, helped us develop some
mechanisms to prevent that kind of chaos from repeating. Until a
perfect storm from the Far Right arose again to fuck things up again.

To those of you outside the USA, please keep in mind that the majority
of us did NOT vote for that Fool. We are fighting back with what means
we have, and we hope to be allies with the World again some day.

I'm just hoping that your new president will let go of the reins of
power in 4 years' time.

Gawd! It feels like 4 years already! On a brighter note, That meat shell
he is using as life support can't possibly last 4 years, can it?

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