On 22.02.25 19:49, badgolferman wrote:

Looks like Google has made the name change: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mount+McKinley/@63.0694586,-151.0426499,11.25z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x56cde603306d1c1b:0xb36f3b95ebe1ce02!8m2!3d63.0691689!4d-151.0069842!16zL20vMDFkZjU2?authuser=1&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIxOS4xIKXMDSoJLDEwMjExNDU1SAFQAw%

3D%3D

So has Apple Maps: https://beta.maps.apple.com/?address=AK+99743%2C+United+States&auid=3538227652007294543&ll=63.3028127%2C-150.9082031&lsp=9902&q=Mt.+McKinley+National+Park

Bullshit!
Apple Maps shows still Denali.
Only in Naziland Trumpistan that might be the case.

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On 2025-02-22 12:19, badgolferman wrote:

Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

On 22.02.25 19:49, badgolferman wrote:

Looks like Google has made the name change:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mount+McKinley/@63.0694586,-151.0426499,11.25z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x56cde603306d1c1b:0xb36f3b95ebe1ce02!8m2!3d63.0691689!4d-151.0069842!16zL20vMDFkZjU2?authuser=1&entry=ttu&g_ep=

EgoyMDI1MDIxOS4xIKXMDSoJLDEwMjExNDU1SAFQAw%3D%3D

So has Apple Maps:
https://beta.maps.apple.com/?address=AK+99743%2C+United+States&auid=3538227652007294543&ll=63.3028127%2C-150.9082031&lsp=9902&q=Mt.+McKinley+National+Park

Bullshit!
Apple Maps shows still Denali.
Only in Naziland Trumpistan that might be the case.

What you see is wrong. Mt. McKinley is inside the US and any country has
the right to rename its own places. The map should be corrected wherever you’re using it.

And any reasonable federal government wouldn't override the wishes of
the people in the state in which that place exists.

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On 2025-02-22 22:50:23 +0000, badgolferman said:

Alan wrote:

What you see is wrong. Mt. McKinley is inside the US and any
country has the right to rename its own places. The map should be
corrected wherever you’re using it.

And any reasonable federal government wouldn't override the wishes of
the people in the state in which that place exists.

No 51, that's not true. Governments do whatever they want in between elections.

Here in Virginia which is the cradle of America, the local governments removed any vestige of the Confederacy by renaming any street or
school, and removing statues and plaques within their borders. Of
course this is at great cost to any business or resident which which
must reprint all their stationery and redo anything which had their
address on it. Do you think those locals wanted the name changes? As
for Mount McKinley, it was named that since 1917 until 2015 when Obama renamed it. Do you think there are any people alive other than some indigenous people who were calling it Denali before that?

Then you have the University of Virginia which was founded by Thomas Jefferson who was one of our greatest presidents. There was a movement
by the administration and staff to remove any likeness of him from the
school grounds, websites, books, etc. because he was a slave owner and fathered children from slaves.

The radicalization in one direction by the previous presidential administration has caused the pendulum to now swing farther in the
opposite direction.

Similar Political Correctness silliness is also causing governments to
change place names to those used by the native people. For example,
many places in New Zealand are being changed to their Maori names
(often at the cost of new signage with both the Maori and English
names), including the country itself now usually referred to by
PC-appeasers as the combined "Aotearoa New Zealand", "Aotearoa / New
Zealand", or simply "Aotearoa".

The reality is that few people care and almost nobody outside the
country will ever even know or use the new-old name ... ask anyone on
the street in another country where "New Zealand" is and many will
vaguely know (partyl thanks to Lord of the Rings), but ask them where "Aotearoa" is and pretty much nobody will have ever heard of it.

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On 22.02.25 21:19, badgolferman wrote:

Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

On 22.02.25 19:49, badgolferman wrote:

Looks like Google has made the name change:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mount+McKinley/@63.0694586,-151.0426499,11.25z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x56cde603306d1c1b:0xb36f3b95ebe1ce02!8m2!3d63.0691689!4d-151.0069842!16zL20vMDFkZjU2?authuser=1&entry=ttu&g_ep=

EgoyMDI1MDIxOS4xIKXMDSoJLDEwMjExNDU1SAFQAw%3D%3D

So has Apple Maps:
https://beta.maps.apple.com/?address=AK+99743%2C+United+States&auid=3538227652007294543&ll=63.3028127%2C-150.9082031&lsp=9902&q=Mt.+McKinley+National+Park

Bullshit!
Apple Maps shows still Denali.
Only in Naziland Trumpistan that might be the case.

What you see is wrong. Mt. McKinley is inside the US and any country has
the right to rename its own places. The map should be corrected wherever you’re using it.

It is Apple Map in Europe and you are just lying.
Every country can chose its names for geograhical points. But that
should be a legitimate and democrtatic process and not the moody
decision of a dictator.

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On 22.02.25 23:50, badgolferman wrote:

Here in Virginia which is the cradle of America,

This is another lie.

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On 2025-02-22 14:50, badgolferman wrote:

Alan wrote:

What you see is wrong. Mt. McKinley is inside the US and any
country has the right to rename its own places. The map should be
corrected wherever you’re using it.

And any reasonable federal government wouldn't override the wishes of
the people in the state in which that place exists.

No 51, that's not true. Governments do whatever they want in between elections.

Here in Virginia which is the cradle of America, the local governments removed any vestige of the Confederacy by renaming any street or
school, and removing statues and plaques within their borders. Of
course this is at great cost to any business or resident which which
must reprint all their stationery and redo anything which had their
address on it. Do you think those locals wanted the name changes? As
for Mount McKinley, it was named that since 1917 until 2015 when Obama renamed it. Do you think there are any people alive other than some indigenous people who were calling it Denali before that?

Then you have the University of Virginia which was founded by Thomas Jefferson who was one of our greatest presidents. There was a movement
by the administration and staff to remove any likeness of him from the
school grounds, websites, books, etc. because he was a slave owner and fathered children from slaves.

The radicalization in one direction by the previous presidential administration has caused the pendulum to now swing farther in the
opposite direction.

You get that he's doing things like this to distract you from the fact
that most of what he promised to get elected is never happening, right?

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On 23.02.25 13:50, badgolferman wrote:

Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

On 22.02.25 23:50, badgolferman wrote:

Here in Virginia which is the cradle of America,

This is another lie.

Whatever you think you know about America is a lie. Look up the history of Jamestown, Yorktown, and Chesapeake Bay. Not to mention the numerous Revolutionary War battles and early presidents.

Take a vacation and come here. I will personally take you on a history tour and treat you as a guest in my own house.

I guess I have seen at least as much of the US like you did.
That does not change anything: You are brainwashed.


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On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 20:19:04 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

So has Apple Maps:
https://beta.maps.apple.com/?address=AK+99743%2C+United+States&auid=3538227652007294543&ll=63.3028127%2C-150.9082031&lsp=9902&q=Mt.+McKinley+National+Park

Bullshit!
Apple Maps shows still Denali.
Only in Naziland Trumpistan that might be the case.

What you see is wrong. Mt. McKinley is inside the US and any country has
the right to rename its own places. The map should be corrected wherever you're using it.

Hi badgolferman,

It has been my experience that the recent name changes show up differently depending on the country that the person resides in, which Professor Lorenz should already be aware of (and the fact he's not, is the real issue here).

However, for badgolferman, I just checked my 10th generation iPad which is showing "Denali 20,308 feet" at this moment (on iPadOS 18.0 anyway).

If you need a screenshot, let me know (but iOS is a pain-in-the-ass to copy
to Windows compared to Android so I'll upload it only if you need proof).

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On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 20:19:13 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :

I'll let you know if iPadOS 18.3.1 changes Denali to Mt. McKinley.

Yup. It's "Mount McKinley" immediately after the iPadOS update just now.
(I'd post the shot but Apple tries to make everything simple, difficult.)

What that shows is that Apple's method of finding the version of a program
is absurd, in that there is no version of the Apple Maps program, per se.

The underlying database must be associated, somehow, with the version of
the operating system, which seems strange given it's online & not offline.

Has that been your experience also that the Apple Maps underlying database
is *different* depending on what version of iOS your Apple device is on?

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On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 18:11:54 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

If you need a screenshot, let me know (but iOS is a pain-in-the-ass
to copy to Windows compared to Android so I'll upload it only if you
need proof).

Well, I don't know why the iOS and web version of Apple Maps show Mount McKinley, but your iPad does not. I thought the iPad had the same OS
as the iPhone but maybe not. Is it possible since your iOS is outdated
it is looking at a different database?

Hi badgolferman,

You bring up a good point, which is why mine still shows Denali (and I'm
not on a VPN for my iPad), which means I don't know how iOS updates work.

What's interesting is that the "Gulf of America" immediately showed up on
my iPad on iOS 18.0 so why shouldn't the new Mount McKinley also show up?

Dunno... but I'll prove it since it's not what you're seeing... gimme a
second to connect a USB... Sheesh. Apple makes something so simple as transferring files from the iPad to Windows unnecessarily miserable (what's with those insanely absurd image naming conventions?) but I just managed to copy over the screenshot and uploaded it so that you can see it.

Since I prove what I say, here's the screenshot I took today for you.
<https://i.postimg.cc/pdxnZ71G/denali01.jpg>

I generally don't bother updating the iOS version but what I'll do is
update to the latest iOS to see if that changes anything. I probably should check the version of the Apple Maps but I don't know how to do that.

Let me look it up how to find the version of an Apple Map app, but the mere fact I have to search belies Apple's propaganda that iOS is "easy" to use.

Jesus Christ. It's impossible to find the Apple Maps' version according to
the research I just did. How crummy. Anyway, it's tied to the OS version.

PS: I think it's funny that the Apple trolls always claim I don't have
Apple devices just because I happen to know more than they do about them.

OK. I just looked and iPadOS 18.3.1 (2.28GB) is available for my iPad.
I hit the "update now" button, which is nice that Apple allows you to
update the iOS version without having to sign into an Apple Account on the Internet (as Apple is the "Big Brother" they infamously railed against).

I'll let you know if iPadOS 18.3.1 changes Denali to Mt. McKinley.

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On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 22:38:47 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

Has that been your experience also that the Apple Maps underlying
database is different depending on what version of iOS your Apple
device is on?

Honestly I don't like the interface of Apple Maps and don't use it
unless I use my work iPhone 14 to look up an address. There are no
apps on that phone other than approved or default ones.

Well, what was odd was the "Gulf of America" showed up without an iOS
update, but Mount McKinley didn't show up until after the iOS update.

That's odd to me because, logically, the Apple Maps app, I would think,
would just access an online server somewhere to get its maps from, right?

Anyway, when I searched how to find the Apple Maps version I found out
there is no version (go figure) as it's part of the operating system.

In summary, even though I would never have guessed this is the case, it
seems that what a person gets for Denali/Mount McKinley is (perhaps)
dependent on the specific version of the iOS/iPadOS operating system.

Who knew.
Not me.
Now I do.

Thanks for bringing up this useful conversation for the group to ponder.

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