On 2025-08-01, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Top Threads

What's the actual *advantage* of not having an sd slot?
Re: My week with Linux: I'm dumping Windows for Ubuntu to see how it goes
Why is the iPhone always lacking in basic industry standard hardware functionality?
Bungling Apple is about to answer a burning question about its future
Why is the iPhone so inefficient compared to Android?
Comprehensive current zero-day platform comparisons?
Almost every app you have on the iPad will die; the iPad will become inert over time
Apple's "dumb terminal" design wreaks havoc when the matrix went down today! Re: Placeholder for June 20, 2025 - Apple trolls - crying that the mean ole' EU banned their iPhone for sale
Yet again - Apple sherlocks functionality - copying - instead of innovating Re: What's the actual *advantage* of not having an sd slot?
Why is the iOS kernel repeatedly exploited by Pegasus but the Android kernel is not?
Why is overall Apple mobile device battery endurance per cycle 16% less compared to Samsung?

Proof that Marion (Arlen) has successfully turned this newsgroup into
another shitty *advocacy troll newsgroup.

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On 1 Aug 2025 20:47:26 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :

successfully turned this newsgroup into
another shitty *advocacy troll newsgroup.

My goal on this childish newsgroup has always been obvious & well known.

A. To help answer questions & to ask questions to be answered, and,
B. To teach people what Apple's strategy is & what Apple trolls are

On the adult operating system newsgroups, my goal is only A but not B.

PS: I wonder what effect Alan Browne had on the newsgroup by publicly
leaving, where the only Apple troll I kind of sort of miss is nospam
(because he was the only Apple troll who actually knew anything at all).

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On 2025-08-01, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

On 1 Aug 2025 20:47:26 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :

successfully turned this newsgroup into another shitty *advocacy
troll newsgroup.

childish newsgroup
Apple trolls
Apple troll
Apple troll

Case in point.

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On 2025-08-02, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2025-08-01, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Top Threads

What's the actual *advantage* of not having an sd slot?
Re: My week with Linux: I'm dumping Windows for Ubuntu to see how it goes >>> Why is the iPhone always lacking in basic industry standard hardware functionality?
Bungling Apple is about to answer a burning question about its future
Why is the iPhone so inefficient compared to Android?
Comprehensive current zero-day platform comparisons?
Almost every app you have on the iPad will die; the iPad will become inert over time
Apple's "dumb terminal" design wreaks havoc when the matrix went down today!
Re: Placeholder for June 20, 2025 - Apple trolls - crying that the mean
ole' EU banned their iPhone for sale
Yet again - Apple sherlocks functionality - copying - instead of innovating >>> Re: What's the actual *advantage* of not having an sd slot?
Why is the iOS kernel repeatedly exploited by Pegasus but the Android kernel is not?
Why is overall Apple mobile device battery endurance per cycle 16% less
compared to Samsung?

Proof that Marion (Arlen) has successfully turned this newsgroup into
another shitty *advocacy troll newsgroup.

Almost all of those seem like topics related to the group.

Almost all o them are weak trolls based on lies. You aren't fooling
anyone, just sticking up for your best troll buddy (as usual, in the
weakest way possible).

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On 2 Aug 2025 14:13:45 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :

Almost all of those seem like topics related to the group.

Almost all o them are weak trolls based on lies. You aren't fooling
anyone, just sticking up for your best troll buddy (as usual, in the
weakest way possible).

For decades, in OS-focused newsgroups, Apple trolls exhibit obeisant blind loyalty to Apple's decisions which I term, herd behavior.

What the Apple trolls want is deflection from criticism by focusing only on superficial updates, new emojis, colors and vague "magical" features.

Jolly Roger desires only groupthink that discourages dissent or skepticism.
If you question Apple's motives, you're not a member of Jolly Roger's herd.

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On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 10:55:23 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

Almost all of those seem like topics related to the group. At least they're not political bullshit which have destroyed most other groups.

Thanks for the reminder about group relevance, as I'd argue that discussing Apple's marketing tactics and user psychology is relevant to an accurate understanding the operating system ecosystem. If anything, it's more foundational than debating the latest emoji set & bold new colors.

Let's be honest: Apple's success isn't just about engineering. It's more
about marketing mastery and psychological manipulation than it is about product. The company has intensely cultivated a user base that often
behaves more like a fan club than a community of critical thinkers.

I happen to be an Apple owner also, but what I bring to the table is
critical thinking, where entering the questions I research, I believe, are apropos (e.g., Apple lied about efficiency, which I knew all along but the
new EU tests added further weight to that long-term fact-based assessment).

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On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 18:07:26 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

Jolly Roger desires only groupthink that discourages dissent or
skepticism. If you question Apple's motives, you're not a member of
Jolly Roger's herd.

In another group what you call a herd was named the "Hive". Same
thing, just different.

Hi badgolferman,

I understand your terminology, and we've both been on Usenet for decades.
But I think Apple enthusiasts often respond with a unique intensity or defensiveness when Apple is criticized, compared to other tech ecosystems.

What sets Apple aficionados apart isn't just brand loyalty alone, as it's
the quasi-religious fervor with which they defend the company. There's a
kind of tribal orthodoxy at play, where dissent isn't merely disagreed
with, it's treated as heresy.

Criticize Android or Microsoft, and you might spark a debate.
Criticize Apple and you risk excommunication from the cult of Cupertino.

This isn't just fan enthusiasm. It's a marketing-fueled identity fusion,
where Apple isn't just a product, it's a worldview.

For example, any reaction from Jolly Roger isn't proportional to the
critique; it's visceral, often absolutist. You don't see that same
reflexive denial or ideological gatekeeping in Android or Windows circles.

On what I call the adult OS newsgroups, disagreement is tolerated.
Here, it's policed by the very Apple trolls who defend Apple to the death.

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On 2025-08-04, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 11:13:38 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

For example, any reaction from Jolly Roger isn't proportional to the
critique; it's visceral, often absolutist. You don't see that same
reflexive denial or ideological gatekeeping in Android or Windows circles. >>>>
On what I call the adult OS newsgroups, disagreement is tolerated.
Here, it's policed by the very Apple trolls who defend Apple to the death. >>>>

Sounds like a cult.

Yup. And you & I aren't members of that absolutist Apple religious cult.
So be it.

You're a dogmatic zealot that stops at nothing to support your "facts".

Let's not forget this completely fake table you posted last month. I know
you keep refusing to acknowledge this, but you did post it and you always claim you only deal with facts.

<105fq1r$2md5i$1@dont-email.me>
"Back to the efficiency thing, these are the results from just one lab in
the UK, the "Tech Chap Lab", who tested these ten flagship devices.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiLNpIWNCQk>
1. Xiaomi 15 Ultra | 5000 | 47h30m | 5.7 | A
2. Galaxy S25 Edge | 3786 | 32h20m | 8.2 | A
3. Pixel 9 Pro XL | 5050 | 41h50m | 5.0 | B
4. iPhone 16 Pro Max | 4422 | 36h10m | 8.2 | B
5. Xiaomi 15 Pro | 4800 | 39h40m | 4.9 | B
6. Galaxy S25 Ultra | 4855 | 38h10m | 4.7 | B
7. OnePlus 13 | 6000 | 49h00m | 4.9 | B
8. Honor Magic7 RSR | 5100 | 42h30m | 5.0 | B
9. Vivo X200 Pro Mini | 4700 | 37h40m | 4.8 | B
10. Asus Zenfone 12 Ultra | 5000 | 39h10m | 4.7 | B"

Are you going to own up to this absolute falsehood or are going to get badgolferman to defend you again?

I challenge badgolferman to spot how many errors there are in the table, in particular with respect to the reference in the yt link.

Don't hold your breath. He's too busy slobbering all over Arlen's little
peepee to bother. At best he'll just dismiss it and "let it go" again.

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On 2025-08-04, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

On 08/04/2025 07:06, Chris wrote:

Are you going to own up to this absolute falsehood or are going to
get badgolferman to defend you again?

He doesn't need me to defend him.

And yet you do, at every turn. Even after he impersonated you! You're a
joke. You fit right into the Arlen club.

I challenge badgolferman to spot how many errors there are in the
table, in particular with respect to the reference in the yt link.

Sorry, I'm not interested in YouTube links or doing someone else's
work.

As expected.

Slink away, like you always do.

Coward.

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 07:21:39 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :

Laughably incorrect.

Hi Chris,

I appreciate your enthusiasm for Apple, but the EU's new energy labeling
system paints a different picture. Every iPhone sold in the EU, for
instance, failed to earn an 'A' rating for energy efficiency, while
numerous Android devices from almost every Android OEM in the EU did
achieve that top grade.

Apple itself made lame excuses about unstated "ambiguities in the EU's
testing protocols" which Apple knew about for years, and which Apple didn't state, so it could be they didn't like the fonts used for all Apple said.

Meaning Apple's excuses were just that.
Lame excuses.

Especially since ANYONE ON THE PLANET can reproduce the EU benchmarks.
Apple *knew* for years they were brazenly lying about efficiency, Chris.

Just like Apple got caught lying about batterygate, Chris, Apple got caught lying about their imaginary "efficiency", Chris.

It used to be Apple only told the truth under oath in court.
But with recent developments in the Epic case, even that is no longer true.

The fact Apple can't stand behind their brazen lies about efficiency is not
a sign of superior performance; it's a sign of their fear of the lawsuits.

Apple lied about efficiency, Chris.
The fact is no iPhone earned an A in efficiency.

Not a single one.

So when Apple touts efficiency, but can't meet the same benchmark that
nearly every major Android OEM has, it's fair to question the narrative.

Battery efficiency isn't just about capacity; it's about how well the
device manages power under real-world conditions. And on that front,
Apple's results are objectively far behind that of Android OEMs.

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On 4 Aug 2025 17:38:05 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :

Slink away, like you always do.

What's interesting (and quite different) about you, Jolly Roger, is that of
all the Apple trolls, you're the most viscerally reactive-almost
emotionally invested to the point of personal offense whenever someone
voices a critical observation about Apple.

It's not just disagreement you voice; it's a kind of performative outrage, often laced with juvenile insults and deflections that resemble schoolyard taunts more than reasoned debate.

It's one thing to be passionate about a brand, but your responses suggest a deeper need to silence dissent rather than engage with it.

Ironically, the truth doesn't disappear just because it makes you uncomfortable. If anything, your hostility only underscores the validity of
the criticisms.

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On 2025-08-04, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

On 4 Aug 2025 17:38:05 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :

Slink away, like you always do.

What's interesting

What's interesting is how little badgolferboy simps for you endlessly,
even after you impersonated him.

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On 4 Aug 2025 20:36:53 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :

What's interesting is

Of all the Apple trolls, you're (by far) the most vehemently vindictive.
You literally *hate* that we're discussing topics of import to the iPhone.

What's interesting is how much you Apple trolls hate the truth about iOS.

You don't seem to comprehend that the truth doesn't disappear just because
it makes you uncomfortable. If anything, your hostility toward the topics discussed on this newsgroup only underscores the validity of their claims.

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On 2025-08-04, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

On 4 Aug 2025 20:36:53 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :

What's interesting is

Of all the Apple trolls

The real troll here is you and your sidekick badgolferboy.

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On 2025-08-04, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Marion wrote:

On 4 Aug 2025 20:36:53 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :

What's interesting is

Of all the Apple trolls, you're (by far) the most vehemently
vindictive. You literally hate that we're discussing topics of import
to the iPhone.

What's interesting is how much you Apple trolls hate the truth about
iOS.

You don't seem to comprehend that the truth doesn't disappear just
because it makes you uncomfortable. If anything, your hostility toward
the topics discussed on this newsgroup only underscores the validity
of their claims.

Jolly Roger proves the fallacy that if you don't respond to trolls
they will go away. That hasn't worked with him.

You're precious! Arlen's not gonna fuck you, kiddo.

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On 8/6/2025 12:08 PM, badgolferman wrote:

Marion wrote:

Why do I have to look up references to prove to you the sun rises in
the morning, Chris, when you could look it up yourself before denying
it.

I found this:

There is one other thing that Apple hardware and software do trounce
every Android phone on, and that's power efficiency.

A big part of that is because iOS doesn't support multitasking, only
"task switching." No doubt that is intentional, in order to save power.

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On 2025-08-07, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

On 8/6/2025 12:08 PM, badgolferman wrote:

Marion wrote:

Why do I have to look up references to prove to you the sun rises in
the morning, Chris, when you could look it up yourself before
denying it.

I found this:

There is one other thing that Apple hardware and software do trounce
every Android phone on, and that's power efficiency.

A big part of that is because iOS doesn't support multitaskingi

Imagine saying this with a straight face. 🤣

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