On Friday, 26 August 2022 at 03:34:23 UTC+5:30, Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2022-08-25, Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:

Then why did the OP give up trying

The OP admitted that he didn't actually want to create a ringtone
considered any procedure anyone suggested to be too much trouble,
which is now a matter of record as anyone who can read can see right
in this thread. Meanwhile neither of you can change the FACT that
many of us have quite easily created ringtones on our iPhones.

Do you seriously think I haven't created ringtones blah blah blah

Get this through your thick head, trollboi: this isn't about you, and
it's not about Android either. The FACT you fools *refuse* to
acknowledge is that one can create ringtones on an iPhone with a few
taps in a couple minutes. It's relatively effortless, and no big deal,
which is why many of us are able to do it frequently and easily. : )
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On 3/7/2023 1:18 AM, Kunal Kashyap wrote:

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When I got my first iPhone, after many years on Android, it was
startling how complicated it was, compared to Android, to create
ringtones. However once you got the procedure down it's fine.


The difference between generating custom ring tones on Android versus
iPhone:


Android
-------
1. Copy, download, or e-mail yourself, an mp3 audio file to your phone.
2. Select the ringtone in Settings.

Optionally, you can use a free program like Audacity, <https://github.com/audacity/audacity/releases/download/Audacity-3.2.5/audacity-win-3.2.5-x64.exe>
to trim the length of the audio file, select a specific portion of the
audio file, do fade in and fade out, convert it to a lower bit-rate, and convert it to monaural, though none of this is required.


iPhone Overview
---------------
You can use a Windows computer with iTunes installed, or a Mac (no more
iTunes) to transfer ringtones to the iPhone. Ringtones must be in the
.m4r format, but you can convert from .m4a to .m4r on the iPhone if you
wish. I do it on my computer then transfer the .m4r and the iPhone knows
that the file is ringtone.

The audio file cannot be greater than 30 seconds long so you _must_ trim whatever audio file you're using to 30 seconds or less.

You can also convert an mp3 to an AAC m4a using Audacity if you install
the FFmpeg library. You then manually change the m4a file extension to
an m4r. This is not really necessary because you can use Garageband to
generate a .m4r file from a .m4a.

Audacity for Windows: <https://github.com/audacity/audacity/releases/download/Audacity-3.2.5/audacity-win-3.2.5-x64.exe>

Audacity for Mac: <https://github.com/audacity/audacity/releases/download/Audacity-3.2.5/audacity-macOS-3.2.5-universal.dmg>

FFMpeg Library for Windows: <https://lame.buanzo.org/FFmpeg_5.0.0_for_Audacity_on_Windows_x86_64.exe>

FFMpeg Library for Mac: <https://lame.buanzo.org/FFmpeg_5.0.0_for_Audacity_on_macOS.pkg>


iPhone
------
1. Download your desired .mp3 file to a PC (Mac or Windows).

2. Mac and Windows: Trim the .mp3 file to a maximum of 30 seconds using Audacity or other audio program. You can also reduce the bitrate of the
.mp3 file, convert it to monoaural, and do a fade-in/fade-out.

3. Windows: Use iTunes to convert the .mp3 file into a .m4a (AAC) file.
For Windows computers you can download iTunes at <https://www.apple.com/itunes/download/win64> or from the Microsoft
Store at <https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/itunes/9PB2MZ1ZMB1S>.

3. Mac: Convert the .mp3 file to a .m4a file using Music on the Mac <https://support.apple.com/guide/music/convert-music-file-formats-musfb0cea9fa/mac>.
Click the .mp3 file, then “Convert,” then “Create AAC version.” Note that you can also trim the audio file to 30 seconds by using Music for
the Mac (right-click on the .mp3 file, click “Get Info,” click “options,” and enter the start and stop times), avoiding the need for Audacity, but you can’t do fade-in/fade-out or convert the audio file to mono.

4. On the computer (Mac or Windows) manually rename xxxxx.m4a file to a xxxxx.m4r file (.m4a and .m4r use the same AAC audio format, as do .m4b
files (audio books)). Again, the iPhone can also do this renaming using
Garage Band.

5. Windows: Copy the .m4r file onto your file onto your phone using iTunes.

6. Mac: Sync the file to your iPhone by connecting the phone to the
computer with a USB to Lightning cable, launching “Finder,” trusting
your iPhone. You may also need to enter the iPhone passcode). You will
need to enable manual managing of music (in the General Tab). Drag the
.m4r file into the sync window. It should sync automatically.

7. On the iPhone, click “Settings,” then “Sound & Haptics,” then “Ringtone” and you should see the new ringtone.


You can also install an iPhone app, such as Ringtones Maker from the App
Store <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ringtones-maker-the-ring-app/id1358107315>,
and convert any .m4a audio file on your iPhone to a ringtone. It’s a
free app, the advertising is very annoying, and it still takes several
steps, including opening Garage Band, but it’s not terribly complex.
You’ll still need to transfer a .mp3 file of the ringtone audio that you
want to your iPhone with iTunes (Windows) or Music (Mac), which will
convert the mp3 file to an m4a file.


Why bother with custom ringtones at all? Because using a standard
ringtone, included with your phone can be a pain if you're somewhere
with a lot of people and multiple people have the same ringtone. With a
custom ringtone you're unlikely to hear people say "is that my phone?"

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In article <tu7697$cpoi$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

When I got my first iPhone, after many years on Android, it was
startling how complicated it was, compared to Android, to create
ringtones. However once you got the procedure down it's fine.

it's not complicated, although it's a *lot* more flexible.

The audio file cannot be greater than 30 seconds long so you _must_ trim whatever audio file you're using to 30 seconds or less.

there's a very good reason for that:
calls go to voicemail in 30 seconds (sometimes less), which makes a
ringtone longer than 30 seconds completely pointless.

in fact, a ringtone longer than 6 seconds is of very limited use since
the ring cadence is 6 seconds (or less) and people generally answer
within 10-15 seconds.

You can also convert an mp3 to an AAC m4a using Audacity if you install
the FFmpeg library. You then manually change the m4a file extension to
an m4r. This is not really necessary because you can use Garageband to generate a .m4r file from a .m4a.

there is no need for any of those.

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In article <tu7ikq$2i0p$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

On iOS, it's far more complicated for a variety of reasons, not the least
is that if you make them on your Windows PC, for example, like I did, then it's a bitch to get them onto the iPad where they belong.

it's very easy to both make and move ringtones on either windows or mac systems.

More so, you have to convert them to Apple's idiotically restrictive file formats,

ios ringtones are not in an apple format.

sounds like you still have no idea what you're doing.

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sms wrote:

When I got my first iPhone, after many years on Android, it was
startling how complicated it was, compared to Android, to create
ringtones. However once you got the procedure down it's fine.

As for ringtones, with Android, you just set them. That's it.
You make them. You set them.

Or... you copy them. You set them.
Or... you create them. Then you set them.

On iOS, it's far more complicated for a variety of reasons, not the least
is that if you make them on your Windows PC, for example, like I did, then
it's a bitch to get them onto the iPad where they belong.

It just is.

More so, you have to convert them to Apple's idiotically restrictive file formats, which is part of Apple's pernicious walled-garden structure
(remember those idiotic *.mov files that nospam claimed were so great).

Luckily, while it's often more complicated to do the simplest of things on
iOS compared to doing the same kinds of things on Android, it's possible.

The adults on this ng should keep in mind Steve and I have both platforms.
In stark contrast, there's no evidence the iKooks have ever used Android.

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nospam wrote:

When I got my first iPhone, after many years on Android, it was
startling how complicated it was, compared to Android, to create
ringtones. However once you got the procedure down it's fine.

it's not complicated, although it's a *lot* more flexible.

Ignoring the bullshit about iOS being a lot more flexible (I know since I
own both platforms, as does Steve, and, pointedly, nospam has never used Android as far as anything nospam has ever said indicates)...

Possibly the simplest example of how iOS is inflexible in almost every way compared to all other common consumer operating systems is you can't even change your launcher to something that you actually would like to use.

Another simple example of the inflexibility of iOS compared to Android is
you can't even change the name of similarly sounding app icons you've
installed (or which were installed as part of the native build).

Android, much like Linux is, is far more flexible than iOS will ever be.

What's "complicated" about iOS is that you can't do the _simplest_ of
things, such as, oh, say, put icons where _you_ want them to be placed.

Trust me... I tried... as you can see from this old screenshot of mine.
<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg>

On Android, it's simple to do something as simple as put icons where you
want them to be, but on iOS, in the words of JR, it's a clusterfuck.

The complexity of iOS is that it's _designed_ to be restrictive in what you
can do, and nobody who owns adult comprehension believes otherwise.

These walled-garden restrictions show up _everywhere_ and _all the time_ if you're moving from Android to iOS since you simply "expect" iOS to work.

It's only the long-time iOS users who don't even _know_ what they're
missing who might claim, as nospam just did, that it's not more complex to
do almost anything (e.g., to put an app icon in two different places).
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In article <tu7lbi$2r00$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

More so, you have to convert them to Apple's idiotically restrictive file >> formats,

ios ringtones are not in an apple format.

Your desperate attempt to deflect from the fact I was pointing out Apple decided to use a restrictive set of formats (not that the format was restrictive in and of itself, nor that it was Apple's trademarked format).

there is nothing restrictive nor is it a trademarked format.

aac is an industry standard format. full stop.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding>
AAC has been standardized by ISO and IEC as part of the MPEG-2
and MPEG-4 specifications. Part of AAC, HE-AAC ("AAC+"), is
part of MPEG-4 Audio and is adopted into digital radio standards
DAB+ and Digital Radio Mondiale, and mobile television standards
DVB-H and ATSC-M/H.

renaming the file to .m4r does not change the format.

it simply denotes it's a ringtone instead of a song so that it can
easily be categorized and sorted, separate from actual songs.

that's a *feature*, and a very useful one at that.

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nospam wrote:

On iOS, it's far more complicated for a variety of reasons, not the least
is that if you make them on your Windows PC, for example, like I did, then >> it's a bitch to get them onto the iPad where they belong.

it's very easy to both make and move ringtones on either windows or mac systems.

Hi nospam,

You're always defending Apple's flaws to the death by making ridiculous
claims which nobody but you and the iKooks make, because they're wrong.

You're constantly fabricating imaginary iOS functionality that doesn't
exist, bearing in mind, nobody sensible would every claim that "moving
files" (ringtone or otherwise) is easier on iOS than on Android.

Everyone (but you) knows iOS is more restrictive in moving files around
when you compare how easy it is on Android & how different it is for iOS.

More so, you have to convert them to Apple's idiotically restrictive file
formats,

ios ringtones are not in an apple format.

Your desperate attempt to deflect from the fact I was pointing out Apple decided to use a restrictive set of formats (not that the format was restrictive in and of itself, nor that it was Apple's trademarked format).

Apple's walled garden strategy is _designed_ to _only_ use a ridiculously restrictive set of file formats (remember Quick Time *.mov files?).

sounds like you still have no idea what you're doing.

Or maybe I own adult comprehensive skills which you lack, nospam, since I'm aware Apple MARKETING designs the walled garden to be restrictive in nature (e.g., why do you think Apple uses those idiotically non-standard cables?).
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On 3/7/2023 10:52 AM, nospam wrote:

Your desperate attempt to deflect from the fact I was pointing out Apple
decided to use a restrictive set of formats (not that the format was
restrictive in and of itself, nor that it was Apple's trademarked format).

there is nothing restrictive nor is it a trademarked format.

Who said it was a trademarked format?

aac is an industry standard format. full stop.

Who said it wasn't in industry standard?

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding>
AAC has been standardized by ISO and IEC as part of the MPEG-2
and MPEG-4 specifications. Part of AAC, HE-AAC ("AAC+"), is
part of MPEG-4 Audio and is adopted into digital radio standards
DAB+ and Digital Radio Mondiale, and mobile television standards
DVB-H and ATSC-M/H.

renaming the file to .m4r does not change the format.

Who said that renaming the file changes the format?

it simply denotes it's a ringtone instead of a song so that it can
easily be categorized and sorted, separate from actual songs.

that's a *feature*, and a very useful one at that.

Who said there's only one file type that a ringtone can be made of?

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On 2023-03-07, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

In article <tu7697$cpoi$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

When I got my first iPhone, after many years on Android, it was
startling how complicated it was, compared to Android, to create
ringtones. However once you got the procedure down it's fine.

it's not complicated, although it's a *lot* more flexible.

Note that the same people who complain "this is soooo complicated" are
also the same people who claim "iPhones are for simpleton idiots who
don't know anything about how to use "real" technology". ; )

In truth, it's not even very complicated. If you don't want to use any
of the numerous apps that do it on the iPhone, you can open any audio
file on your computer in an audio editor (such as the free, open source Audacity, or any other audio editor), trim the length to 30 seconds or
shorter, export as an MPEG-4 audio file with the .m4r filename
extension, connect the iPhone to the computer, open a Finder window (or
iTunes on Windows) and drag the ringtone file to your iPhone.

If you have trouble performing any of these basic operations, I'd argue
you are the true simpleton idiot who knows nothing about technology. ; )

The audio file cannot be greater than 30 seconds long so you _must_
trim whatever audio file you're using to 30 seconds or less.

there's a very good reason for that: calls go to voicemail in 30
seconds (sometimes less)

"Yes, but when I am editing it I can *see* that it's longer, and that
offends my *feefees*!" ; )

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On 3/7/2023 2:12 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

it's not complicated, although it's a *lot* more flexible.

Note that the same people who complain "this is soooo complicated" are
also the same people who claim "iPhones are for simpleton idiots who
don't know anything about how to use "real" technology". ; )

That's who Apple advertises the iphone is designed for & kbest suited for. https://www.macgasm.net/news/iphone-news/apples-ad-campaign-a-brief-history/

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