I'm looking for a decent wall charger block with one USB-C and two
USB-A outputs which will work with iPhone 12 and iPhone 14 and other
devices. I know these have been recommended but they're not exactly
what I wanted:

USB C Charger - ONKO 67W 3 Port GaN PD&QC USB C Adapter, USB Power
Adapter with Foldable Plug for iPhone/MacBook/MagSafe/
iPad Pro/SamsungGalaxy/Pixel/Nintendo Switch (White)
$10 each (with tax) <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XYNK5TG>
(Actually $29)

USB C Power Adapter, 3Pack 20W 2 Port PD&QC 3.0 Type C Fast Charging
Block Wall Charger Compatible for
iPhone 14 13 12 11 Pro Max,SE,iPad,8 7 Plus,
Samsung Galaxy S21 S20 S10 Plus,Google Pixel 7 6 Pro 5
$6 each (with tax) <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09KX3J3TJ>


I found this but I'm not sure if it meets the recommended standards and
won't harm my phone or other devices I plug into it.

iPhone Charger Block 32W Fast Charging, JSAUX USB-C Wall Charger
[3-Port 20W+12W] Type C Charger with 20W USB-C Port & Dual 12W USB-A
Ports for iPhone 14 Pro Max/13/12/11/XR/XS/8 Plus/7/6S/SE 2022 etc https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09DPRBL3Y?th=1


Any other suggestions? Not looking to spend more than $30 if possible.

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In article <xn0nx44dd4msp12004@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm looking for a decent wall charger block with one USB-C and two
USB-A outputs which will work with iPhone 12 and iPhone 14 and other
devices. I know these have been recommended but they're not exactly
what I wanted:

try anker. they have a wide variety of chargers at different power
ratings, some with both usb-a and usb-c, along with many other useful accessories (cables, adapters, mounts, etc.)

you can buy either direct from anker or via their ebay store. they also
have a refurb store on ebay.

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On 2023-01-21, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

In article <xn0nx44dd4msp12004@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm looking for a decent wall charger block with one USB-C and two
USB-A outputs which will work with iPhone 12 and iPhone 14 and other
devices. I know these have been recommended but they're not exactly
what I wanted:

try anker. they have a wide variety of chargers at different power
ratings, some with both usb-a and usb-c, along with many other useful accessories (cables, adapters, mounts, etc.)

you can buy either direct from anker or via their ebay store. they also
have a refurb store on ebay.

I'll second the Anker recommendation. Just pay attention to the wattage
if you want to charge multiple devices at the same time - especially a
mix of devices including computers.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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Jolly Roger wrote:

you can buy either direct from anker or via their ebay store. they also
have a refurb store on ebay.

I'll second the Anker recommendation. Just pay attention to the wattage
if you want to charge multiple devices at the same time - especially a
mix of devices including computers.

Hi badgolferman,

My main suggestion is to watch out for "long" chargers, where the $9
charger Steve recommended is fantastic in terms of functionality (although
it has two USB-C and one USB-A which is the opposite of what you need).

My point isn't about _that_ charger per se, but about _any_ "long" charger.

If it's long like that one is, it tends to fall out of the outlet under the stress of three cables, especially but not solely due to folding blades.

Just FYI... because I care about you.
Please do let us know what you choose as I give these things out as gifts
all teh time, and I agree, at this point in time, two USB-A is more
valuable than two USB-C ports (although PD & QC are also important).

Another piece of caution is at this point in time, I think a PD-only
charger is worthless since it won't charge QC items properly.

So my recommendation, as you seem to be aware is to only buy a charger that supports both because to support only one or the other makes it worthless.

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On 2023-01-21 15:55, Hank Rogers wrote:

nospam wrote:

In article <xn0nx44dd4msp12004@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm looking for a decent wall charger block with one USB-C and two
USB-A outputs which will work with iPhone 12 and iPhone 14 and other
devices.  I know these have been recommended but they're not exactly
what I wanted:

try anker. they have a wide variety of chargers at different power
ratings, some with both usb-a and usb-c, along with many other useful
accessories (cables, adapters, mounts, etc.)

you can buy either direct from anker or via their ebay store. they also
have a refurb store on ebay.

Apple doesn't sell chargers anymore? I know they quit including them
with their thousand dollar telephones, but now you can't even buy them
at all?

Did he say "Apple"?

<https://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all/power-cables?f=charger&fh=459d%2B45d4&page=1>

I count at least 6 different Apple chargers they sell.

Perhaps you should just check this stuff before posting, huh?

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nospam wrote:

In article <xn0nx44dd4msp12004@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm looking for a decent wall charger block with one USB-C and two
USB-A outputs which will work with iPhone 12 and iPhone 14 and other
devices. I know these have been recommended but they're not exactly
what I wanted:

try anker. they have a wide variety of chargers at different power
ratings, some with both usb-a and usb-c, along with many other useful accessories (cables, adapters, mounts, etc.)

you can buy either direct from anker or via their ebay store. they also
have a refurb store on ebay.

Apple doesn't sell chargers anymore? I know they quit including
them with their thousand dollar telephones, but now you can't even
buy them at all?

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:07:35 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2023-01-21 15:55, Hank Rogers wrote:

nospam wrote:

In article <xn0nx44dd4msp12004@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm looking for a decent wall charger block with one USB-C and two
USB-A outputs which will work with iPhone 12 and iPhone 14 and other
devices. I know these have been recommended but they're not exactly
what I wanted:

try anker. they have a wide variety of chargers at different power
ratings, some with both usb-a and usb-c, along with many other useful
accessories (cables, adapters, mounts, etc.)

you can buy either direct from anker or via their ebay store. they also
have a refurb store on ebay.

Apple doesn't sell chargers anymore? I know they quit including them
with their thousand dollar telephones, but now you can't even buy them
at all?

Did he say "Apple"?

<https://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all/power-cables?f=charger&fh=459d%2B45d4&page=1>

I count at least 6 different Apple chargers they sell.

None of which do what he wants.

Perhaps you should just check this stuff before posting, huh?

You too.

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badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm looking for a decent wall charger block with one USB-C and two
USB-A outputs which will work with iPhone 12 and iPhone 14 and other devices.  I know these have been recommended but they're not exactly
what I wanted:

I haven't seen anything like that.
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XYNK5TG> is $21.99 but it is two USB-C PD
and one USB-A.

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On 2023-01-21 18:50, Rod Speed wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:07:35 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2023-01-21 15:55, Hank Rogers wrote:

nospam wrote:

In article <xn0nx44dd4msp12004@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm looking for a decent wall charger block with one USB-C and two
USB-A outputs which will work with iPhone 12 and iPhone 14 and other >>>>> devices.  I know these have been recommended but they're not exactly >>>>> what I wanted:

try anker. they have a wide variety of chargers at different power
ratings, some with both usb-a and usb-c, along with many other useful
accessories (cables, adapters, mounts, etc.)

you can buy either direct from anker or via their ebay store. they also >>>> have a refurb store on ebay.

 Apple doesn't sell chargers anymore? I know they quit including them
with their thousand dollar telephones, but now you can't even buy
them at all?

Did he say "Apple"?

<https://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all/power-cables?f=charger&fh=459d%2B45d4&page=1>

I count at least 6 different Apple chargers they sell.

None of which do what he wants.

Perhaps you should just check this stuff before posting, huh?

You too.

Was I responding to the OP of the thread...

...or someone else entirely who was asking a question which was dead wrong?

Take your time...

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 15:23:22 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2023-01-21 18:50, Rod Speed wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:07:35 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2023-01-21 15:55, Hank Rogers wrote:

nospam wrote:

In article <xn0nx44dd4msp12004@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm looking for a decent wall charger block with one USB-C and two >>>>>> USB-A outputs which will work with iPhone 12 and iPhone 14 and other >>>>>> devices. I know these have been recommended but they're not exactly >>>>>> what I wanted:

try anker. they have a wide variety of chargers at different power
ratings, some with both usb-a and usb-c, along with many other useful >>>>> accessories (cables, adapters, mounts, etc.)

you can buy either direct from anker or via their ebay store. they
also
have a refurb store on ebay.

Apple doesn't sell chargers anymore? I know they quit including them
with their thousand dollar telephones, but now you can't even buy
them at all?

Did he say "Apple"?

<https://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all/power-cables?f=charger&fh=459d%2B45d4&page=1>

I count at least 6 different Apple chargers they sell.

None of which do what he wants.

Perhaps you should just check this stuff before posting, huh?

You too.

Was I responding to the OP of the thread...

...or someone else entirely who was asking a question which was dead
wrong?

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

Take your time...

No need...

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On 2023-01-21 21:47, Rod Speed wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 15:23:22 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2023-01-21 18:50, Rod Speed wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:07:35 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2023-01-21 15:55, Hank Rogers wrote:

nospam wrote:

In article <xn0nx44dd4msp12004@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm looking for a decent wall charger block with one USB-C and two >>>>>>> USB-A outputs which will work with iPhone 12 and iPhone 14 and other >>>>>>> devices.  I know these have been recommended but they're not exactly >>>>>>> what I wanted:

try anker. they have a wide variety of chargers at different power >>>>>> ratings, some with both usb-a and usb-c, along with many other useful >>>>>> accessories (cables, adapters, mounts, etc.)

you can buy either direct from anker or via their ebay store. they >>>>>> also
have a refurb store on ebay.

 Apple doesn't sell chargers anymore? I know they quit including
them with their thousand dollar telephones, but now you can't even
buy them at all?

Did he say "Apple"?

<https://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all/power-cables?f=charger&fh=459d%2B45d4&page=1>

I count at least 6 different Apple chargers they sell.

 None of which do what he wants.

Perhaps you should just check this stuff before posting, huh?

 You too.

Was I responding to the OP of the thread...

...or someone else entirely who was asking a question which was dead
wrong?

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

I see, you can't read the difference between:

"badgolferman"

and

"Hank Rogers"

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 17:35:29 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2023-01-21 21:47, Rod Speed wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 15:23:22 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2023-01-21 18:50, Rod Speed wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:07:35 +1100, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2023-01-21 15:55, Hank Rogers wrote:

nospam wrote:

In article <xn0nx44dd4msp12004@reader443.eternal-september.org>, >>>>>>> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm looking for a decent wall charger block with one USB-C and two >>>>>>>> USB-A outputs which will work with iPhone 12 and iPhone 14 and >>>>>>>> other
devices. I know these have been recommended but they're not
exactly
what I wanted:

try anker. they have a wide variety of chargers at different power >>>>>>> ratings, some with both usb-a and usb-c, along with many other
useful
accessories (cables, adapters, mounts, etc.)

you can buy either direct from anker or via their ebay store. they >>>>>>> also
have a refurb store on ebay.

Apple doesn't sell chargers anymore? I know they quit including
them with their thousand dollar telephones, but now you can't even >>>>>> buy them at all?

Did he say "Apple"?

<https://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all/power-cables?f=charger&fh=459d%2B45d4&page=1>

I count at least 6 different Apple chargers they sell.

None of which do what he wants.

Perhaps you should just check this stuff before posting, huh?

You too.

Was I responding to the OP of the thread...

...or someone else entirely who was asking a question which was dead
wrong?

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

I see, you can't read the difference between:

"badgolferman"

and

"Hank Rogers"

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

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badgolferman wrote:

I'm looking for a decent wall charger block with one USB-C and two
USB-A outputs which will work with iPhone 12 and iPhone 14 and other
devices.

I found this but I'm not sure if it meets the recommended standards
and won't harm my phone or other devices I plug into it.

iPhone Charger Block 32W Fast Charging, JSAUX USB-C Wall Charger
[3-Port 20W+12W] Type C Charger with 20W USB-C Port & Dual 12W USB-A
Ports for iPhone 14 Pro Max/13/12/11/XR/XS/8 Plus/7/6S/SE 2022 etc >https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09DPRBL3Y?th=1

Any other suggestions? Not looking to spend more than $30 if
possible.

Okay, I decided to go in another direction. I wanted a charger with
two USB-A and one USB-C because I wanted to hook up my iPhone 14, Apple
Watch 3, and Signia hearing aids all to the same charger. The wall
receptacle in the area I plug all this stuff has one outlet being used
by the power strip for my computer and its accessories, and the other
outlet I want to use for the aformentioned devices. The power strip is
on the floor about four feet away from the receptacle so it doesn't
work well to hook up these devices to it.

I decided to go with a charger which has two USB-C and one USB-A
instead. This forced me to get USB-C to USB-C cable for the hearing
aids. So the Apple Watch charger will go in the USB-A and the iPhone
and hearing aids will go in the USB-C. I also went with three 6-foot
USB-C to Lightning cables. While I was at it I chose a car charger
compatible with my iPhone 14. On long trips while using the phone
navigation app the 5-volt car charger I currently have struggles to
keep up with the charging.

Arlen suggested getting a charger with PD and QC standards. I don't
really think I will be using QC for anything so that wasn't a priority
for me. I also wanted a charger which didn't block the second outlet
on the wall receptacle so I ended up going with the charger sms
recommended. I haven't ordered anything yet so maybe someone can tell
me how to turn that $29 price into $10 as has been mentioned.

Alternate suggestions welcomed.

USB C Charger - ONKO 67W 3 Port GaN PD & QC USB C Adapter $29.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XYNK5TG

USB C to Lightning Cable 3Pack 6 FT Apple MFi Certified iPhone $11.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BG5N2BP1

JXMOX USB C to USB C Cable 60W, (2 Pack 3.3ft) $6.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TSHB8LJ

[Apple MFi Certified] iPhone Fast Car Charger, Veetone 48W Dual Port
USB C $13.42
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B095Z45WWP

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Rod Speed wrote:

Why did you choose not to go wireless charging ?

Wireless charging is:
-- expensive
-- large size
-- can't use the phone while charging
-- doesn't work in the car well
-- my case and metal disc for magnetic holder interfere with wireless
charging

As a former electronics technician I prefer wires to wireless.

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badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote

badgolferman wrote

I'm looking for a decent wall charger block with one USB-C and two
USB-A outputs which will work with iPhone 12 and iPhone 14 and other
devices.

I found this but I'm not sure if it meets the recommended standards
and won't harm my phone or other devices I plug into it.

iPhone Charger Block 32W Fast Charging, JSAUX USB-C Wall Charger
[3-Port 20W+12W] Type C Charger with 20W USB-C Port & Dual 12W USB-A
Ports for iPhone 14 Pro Max/13/12/11/XR/XS/8 Plus/7/6S/SE 2022 etc
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09DPRBL3Y?th=1


Any other suggestions? Not looking to spend more than $30 if
possible.

Okay, I decided to go in another direction. I wanted a charger with
two USB-A and one USB-C because I wanted to hook up my iPhone 14, Apple
Watch 3, and Signia hearing aids all to the same charger. The wall receptacle in the area I plug all this stuff has one outlet being used
by the power strip for my computer and its accessories, and the other
outlet I want to use for the aformentioned devices. The power strip is
on the floor about four feet away from the receptacle so it doesn't
work well to hook up these devices to it.

I decided to go with a charger which has two USB-C and one USB-A
instead. This forced me to get USB-C to USB-C cable for the hearing
aids. So the Apple Watch charger will go in the USB-A and the iPhone
and hearing aids will go in the USB-C. I also went with three 6-foot
USB-C to Lightning cables. While I was at it I chose a car charger compatible with my iPhone 14. On long trips while using the phone
navigation app the 5-volt car charger I currently have struggles to
keep up with the charging.

Arlen suggested getting a charger with PD and QC standards. I don't
really think I will be using QC for anything so that wasn't a priority
for me. I also wanted a charger which didn't block the second outlet
on the wall receptacle so I ended up going with the charger sms
recommended. I haven't ordered anything yet so maybe someone can tell
me how to turn that $29 price into $10 as has been mentioned.

Alternate suggestions welcomed.

USB C Charger - ONKO 67W 3 Port GaN PD & QC USB C Adapter $29.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XYNK5TG

USB C to Lightning Cable 3Pack 6 FT Apple MFi Certified iPhone $11.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BG5N2BP1

JXMOX USB C to USB C Cable 60W, (2 Pack 3.3ft) $6.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TSHB8LJ

[Apple MFi Certified] iPhone Fast Car Charger, Veetone 48W Dual Port
USB C $13.42
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B095Z45WWP

Why did you choose not to go wireless charging ?

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On 2023-01-21 18:55, Hank Rogers wrote:

nospam wrote:

In article <xn0nx44dd4msp12004@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm looking for a decent wall charger block with one USB-C and two
USB-A outputs which will work with iPhone 12 and iPhone 14 and other
devices.  I know these have been recommended but they're not exactly
what I wanted:

try anker. they have a wide variety of chargers at different power
ratings, some with both usb-a and usb-c, along with many other useful
accessories (cables, adapters, mounts, etc.)

you can buy either direct from anker or via their ebay store. they also
have a refurb store on ebay.

Apple doesn't sell chargers anymore? I know they quit including them
with their thousand dollar telephones, but now you can't even buy them
at all?

Try _reading_ his question and you'll see it's a particular mix of ports
he's looking for.

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

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On 2023-01-22 10:01, badgolferman wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:

Why did you choose not to go wireless charging ?

Wireless charging is:
-- expensive
-- large size
-- can't use the phone while charging

On rare occasions I use a wireless charger and earbuds for calls because
my hands are free for the call. (I only bought the wireless charger to
test how efficient wireless charging is v. wired).

-- doesn't work in the car well
-- my case and metal disc for magnetic holder interfere with wireless charging

As a former electronics technician I prefer wires to wireless.

Wired is always better (and faster).

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

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In article <xn0nx5bwm5smtz2001@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Okay, I decided to go in another direction. I wanted a charger with
two USB-A and one USB-C because I wanted to hook up my iPhone 14, Apple
Watch 3, and Signia hearing aids all to the same charger.

how about one usb-c and three usb-a?

<https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImageCompressAll1280/359-00D8-001D2- S01.jpg>

I also wanted a charger which didn't block the second outlet
on the wall receptacle so I ended up going with the charger sms
recommended.

the one he suggested is cheap junk.

Alternate suggestions welcomed.

anker has a few multi-port chargers that sit on a desk connected via a
power cord, thus they don't block anything, such as the one above.

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On 1/22/2023 6:04 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

I decided to go with a charger which has two USB-C and one USB-A
instead. This forced me to get USB-C to USB-C cable for the hearing
aids. So the Apple Watch charger will go in the USB-A and the iPhone
and hearing aids will go in the USB-C.

While my Apple Watch came with a USB-A cable, I bought a couple of USB-C
Apple Watch charging cables from AliExpress. They were only about $3
each at the time, a little more now, i.e. <https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804937106019.html>. Or you can buy
one from the Apple store for $29 <https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MLWJ3AM/A/>.

But a basic USB-C to USB-C cable, is even less, I see them for $1.75 at
a local store:
<https://www.daisojapan.com/images/product/large/44831.jpg>, and that's
all you need for a hearing aid.

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nospam wrote:

In article <xn0nx5bwm5smtz2001@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Okay, I decided to go in another direction. I wanted a charger
with two USB-A and one USB-C because I wanted to hook up my iPhone
14, Apple Watch 3, and Signia hearing aids all to the same
charger.

how about one usb-c and three usb-a?

<https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImageCompressAll1280/359-00D8-001D2- >S01.jpg>

I also wanted a charger which didn't block the second outlet
on the wall receptacle so I ended up going with the charger sms
recommended.

the one he suggested is cheap junk.

Alternate suggestions welcomed.

anker has a few multi-port chargers that sit on a desk connected via a
power cord, thus they don't block anything, such as the one above.

Why do you call it junk? Also I don't want a desktop unit, I want
something I can travel with. The Anker units are all fairly pricey.

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sms wrote:

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm looking for a decent wall charger block with one USB-C and two
USB-A outputs which will work with iPhone 12 and iPhone 14 and other
devices.� I know these have been recommended but they're not exactly
what I wanted:

I haven't seen anything like that.
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XYNK5TG> is $21.99 but it is two USB-C PD
and one USB-A.

I have to admit openly & publicly if Steve doesn't know of a charger with
the specs badgolferman asked for, the challenge is gonna need some help.

Separately I expanded the search so we can find what badgolferman asks.
*Modern high-wattage cross compatible wall charger needed*
*(USB-A + USB-A + USB-C & GaN with QC & PD specs*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/eTfoc5qqF9c>

Steve is the finest there is in finding such things, so it's going to be difficult - but I'm confident someone knows of a solution out there.

One persona already responded, saying he can't find it either but he made
this suggestion, which "may" be a workaround to the stated problem set.
"All the newer high power chargers I have run across are two C and
one A as well. I think it would be an interesting experiment to
get a USB-C male to USB-A female adaptor and see how that performs.
It shouldn't do any damage, the question is whether or not it would
allow the higher power pass through."

While Steve often plays crude political games (e.g., lying about T-Mobile coverage while shilling for Verizon and bastardizing his search results
to try to show what's not true about the vast majority of Android phones
having the choice of sd cards and/or 3.5mm jacks - when it comes to finding
the best prices for the best chargers, Steve is the best there is at that.

As a result...

I've bought almost every charger that Steve recommends, which is a
testament to Steve's skill and acumen at picking out hardware value.

As a result of following Steve's advice, I have that charger badgolferman.
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XYNK5TG> I paid about $10 with CA sales tax

My one caveat about it is that it's long as you can see from this photo.
<https://i.postimg.cc/DzGLSQJr/charger01.jpg> Steve's recommended charger

Here's a shot of the spec as written on the box (the details of which don't seem to be on Amazon so it's useful to all to show what the full spec is).
<https://i.postimg.cc/v8t77vPX/charger02.jpg> Onko SuperPort S3 III spec

The model number on the charger is: CH-GN67W2C1A (67 watts, three ports).

In summary, it seems what badgolferman asks for is going to be hard to find
so I opened a separate thread adding the Android newsgroup asking for help.
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which, in this case, is to provide more information about the charger.

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On 1/22/2023 7:01 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

Wireless charging is:
-- expensive
-- large size
-- can't use the phone while charging
-- doesn't work in the car well
-- my case and metal disc for magnetic holder interfere with wireless charging

As a former electronics technician I prefer wires to wireless.

Actually it's none of those things:
● Less than $11 for a USB-C to MagSafe charger, with a power adapter <https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804804642563.html>
● Not large
● Can definitely use the phone while charging
● Works great in the car: a MagSafe car mount holds the phone securely without any funky spring clips, or lead screw adjustment and no need to
connect a cable every time
● Forget the metal disc and magnetic holder and buy a MagSafe car mount

As a current EE I prefer wireless to wires.

This is the Magsafe car mount that I use: <https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804287355323.html> but I removed the
clip and attached it to my existing car mount.

This is the setup in one car: <https://i.imgur.com/yhsklHg.png>. That's
an iPhone 11 with a MagSafe charging case since the 11 has wireless
charging but doesn't support MagSafe. I have a MagSafe case for my
Google 7 Pro as well.

There's another big issue with wired charging as well, one that you
personally have run into with iPhones (and my son ran into as well):
failure of the Lightning port as the result of two many cycles of insertion/removal, or other stress. This is the third biggest repair on
iPhones after screen replacement and battery replacement and is so
expensive that most people just trade in their phone. Magsafe eliminates
this problem. USB-C is a much more robust connector system than
Lightning and hopefully it will be used beginning with the iPhone 15
models later this year.

When you think about the environmental costs of prematurely replacing a
phone due to a failed Lightning port, versus the tiny amount of extra electricity that wireless charging uses, the former has far greater impact.

Read what Albert Einstein said about wired charging: <https://i.imgur.com/0VLgZFN.jpeg>

For more data on wired versus wireless charging see "Pros and Cons of
Wireless Phone Charging" at <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wnJX50hca_KCQHg-D7TzDxKZg_5kf4fXEB_blwXoOE4>.

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Alan Browne wrote:

Apple doesn't sell chargers anymore? I know they quit including them
with their thousand dollar telephones, but now you can't even buy them
at all?

Try _reading_ his question and you'll see it's a particular mix of ports
he's looking for.

Skip to the second half for added technical information for badgolferman.

Since half my goal is to silence the iKooks, I'll point out _again_ Joerg Lorenz has never added an iota of on-topic technical value to this ng.

He can't.
The reason is he's too low of an IQ and too illiterate to add any value.

So Joerg spouts his own ignorant brand of pure emotional senseless drivel, which you "could" claim this also is, but I have two goals on this
newsgroup, one of which is to learn & disseminate on-topic technical information - the other of which is to expose the iKooks for what they are.

Above is to expose iKooks for what they are.
Below is to add on-topic technical value such as this screenshot I made:
<https://i.postimg.cc/9FCfT60g/charger03.jpg> specs
Amazon Basics Model B087MFJY22

Based on kind and helpful input from Steve & Bodger who are helping out,
the good news is that at least a USB-A + USB-A + USB-C + USB-C exists.
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B087MFJY22/>
"Amazon Basics 100W Four-Port GaN Wall Charger with 2 USB-C Ports
(65W + 18W) and 2 USB-A Ports (17W) - (non-Programmable Power Supply)"

The bad news is that it currently costs around $54 and it's not small
(as Steve, the expert on chargers himself has noted in the other thread).

Specs:
2 USB-C ports (60-watt and 18-watt)
2 USB-A ports (12-watt each, up to 17-watt)
GaN technology
Foldable plug
Integrated over-voltage, overheating, and short-circuit protection

Output one port: PD 3.0 (USB-C1 Port): 5V@3A,9V@3A,15V@3A,20V@5A
(Up to 100W)

Output four ports: PD 3.0 (USB-C1 Port): 5V@3A,9V@3A,15V@3A,20V@3.25A
(Up to 65W)

PD 3.0 (USB-C2 Port): 5V@3A,9V@2A (Up to 18W)
USB-A1/A2: 5V/3.4A total (12-watt each, up to 17-watt)

This charger supports fast charging (9V) and not super-fast charging
for devices that require PPS (Programmable Power Supply)
e.g. Samsung Galaxy S20,S20+,S20 Ultra,S21,S21+,S21 Ultra,Note 10
Note 10+,Note 20,Note 20 Ultra, etc.
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which, in this case, is to include details on this four port GaN charger.

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In article <xn0nx5gnp5z2y54003@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

the one he suggested is cheap junk.

Why do you call it junk?

because he tries to find the absolute cheapest possible product which
not only isn't quality, but isn't likely to be compliant with usb (or
other spec) and almost certainly not mfi compliant (if applicable).

in another post, he claims to have bought a $3 apple watch cable, which
won't be mfi certified and can potentially cause problems.

Also I don't want a desktop unit, I want
something I can travel with.

you said you didn't want it to block the mains outlet. that one meets
that requirement.

anker also has multi-port travel chargers, some with foldable prongs.

The Anker units are all fairly pricey.

some are, but not all. the anker outlet store on ebay has some good
deals (plus ebay has periodic coupons for anker). anker is a quality
product, usb compliant and very reliable.

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In article <tqjqi1$591$1@gioia.aioe.org>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

? Less than $11 for a USB-C to MagSafe charger, with a power adapter

that's not an official magsafe charger and will be limited to lower
charge rates.

As a current EE I prefer wireless to wires.

go back to school.

There's another big issue with wired charging as well, one that you personally have run into with iPhones (and my son ran into as well):
failure of the Lightning port as the result of two many cycles of insertion/removal, or other stress. This is the third biggest repair on iPhones after screen replacement and battery replacement

no it isn't. lightning port failure is *not* common.

and is so
expensive that most people just trade in their phone.

bullshit.

in nearly every case, lightning port problems is nothing more than dirt
which can easily be cleaned.

dirt is not a failure and something that can happen to *any* physical
port.

Magsafe eliminates
this problem. USB-C is a much more robust connector system than
Lightning

nope. lightning is designed to snap at the connector thereby *avoiding*
damage to the device. repairs are little more than replacing a cable
(cheap) and removing the tab stuck in the port. it's literally a 2
minute repair, which most people can do on their own.

usb-c is not designed to snap, which means that torque will almost
certainly cause a very expensive repair, if it can be repaired at all.
further, the tab inside the port is susceptible to bending, even
without torquing the cable.

When you think about the environmental costs of prematurely replacing a
phone due to a failed Lightning port, versus the tiny amount of extra electricity that wireless charging uses, the former has far greater impact.

very, very few people replace their phone due to a failed lightning
port. as noted above, in nearly every case, all that's needed is a new
cable and removal of the broken tab.

more of your unsubstantiated fabrication.

Read what Albert Einstein said about wired charging:

obvious trolling.

For more data on wired versus wireless charging see...

...see the easily debunked claims.

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badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote

Rod Speed wrote

Why did you choose not to go wireless charging ?

Wireless charging is:
-- expensive

Nope, plenty from aliexpress and banggood arent.

-- large size

Nope, plenty arent.

-- can't use the phone while charging

But if you put the phone down on the charger
when not using it, you won't need to charge
it when using it.

-- doesn't work in the car well

Bullshit.

-- my case and metal disc for magnetic holder interfere with wireless charging

As a former electronics technician I prefer wires to wireless.

I dont because it isnt hard to end up with shit in the charging port.

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badgolferman wrote:

Why did you choose not to go wireless charging ?

Wireless charging is:
-- expensive
-- large size
-- can't use the phone while charging
-- doesn't work in the car well
-- my case and metal disc for magnetic holder interfere with wireless charging

As a former electronics technician I prefer wires to wireless.

badgolferman is correct.

In addition...
*Wireless charging is also very _slow_ (compared to wired charging)*

And in addition to that...
*Wireless charging effectively permanently eats up one USB-C wall charger*

I'm an adult so I commend Steve for what he does well, which is Steve recommended a wireless charger a while ago which I bought a few of.

Since my (admittedly free) Samsung Galaxy A32-5G doesn't even have wireless charging, I bought the two Qi wireless chargers as gifts for others, and,
what worked out well was I also bought the three-pack of USB-C chargers
that Steve recommended.

Notice the wireless charger comes with a USB-C to USB-C cable, so almost
every charger you own won't work with it out of the box due to that USB-C.

To further make the point that the iKooks like nospam & Jolly Roger are
immune to, nobody on this planet is going to _share_ chargers just to power
the (slow) Qi wireless charger all day.

It's no longer shocking how _ridiculous_ the iKooks' excuses are, which is
one of the key ways I know none of the iKooks have any intelligence at all.

If I had the choice (and I don't, unless I want to add inconvenient coil
packs to my phone), I'd keep one wireless charger in a convenient spot.

Then, if and when I wanted wireless charging, I could use it.

But note very clearly it eats up one of your precious USB-C wall chargers
since you're not likely to want the inconvenience of sharing chargers.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to point out two more flaws in wireless charging.

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 02:14:14 +1100, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

On 2023-01-22 10:01, badgolferman wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:

Why did you choose not to go wireless charging ?

Wireless charging is:
-- expensive
-- large size
-- can't use the phone while charging

On rare occasions I use a wireless charger and earbuds for calls because
my hands are free for the call. (I only bought the wireless charger to
test how efficient wireless charging is v. wired).

-- doesn't work in the car well
-- my case and metal disc for magnetic holder interfere with wireless
charging
As a former electronics technician I prefer wires to wireless.

Wired is always better

Bullshit.

(and faster).

Doesnt matter when you put the phone on the charger when
not using it when not walking around with it in your pocket.

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On 1/22/2023 9:04 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

Why do you call it junk? Also I don't want a desktop unit, I want
something I can travel with. The Anker units are all fairly pricey.

LOL, I'm sure you understand the nospam is insanely jealous of anyone
with real experience and knowledge!

There's two one star reviews out of 49 and both are clueless.

One person complained about it not working in his truck, but since it's
an AC adapter, not a car adapter, that's an odd comment unless he was
using it with an inverter.

The other person complained that it was no faster than his 18W adapter, presumably on a device that didn't support faster charging than 18W.

I use that charger on a laptop as well, using a USB-C PD to barrel
connector cable with a trigger chip to set the voltage to 20V <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08FRCV5K9/>. When it was on sale for
$9 I bought two more.

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 04:35:24 +1100, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

In article <tqjqi1$591$1@gioia.aioe.org>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

? Less than $11 for a USB-C to MagSafe charger, with a power adapter

that's not an official magsafe charger and will be limited to lower
charge rates.

As a current EE I prefer wireless to wires.

go back to school.

There's another big issue with wired charging as well, one that you
personally have run into with iPhones (and my son ran into as well):
failure of the Lightning port as the result of two many cycles of
insertion/removal, or other stress. This is the third biggest repair on
iPhones after screen replacement and battery replacement

no it isn't. lightning port failure is *not* common.

and is so
expensive that most people just trade in their phone.

bullshit.

in nearly every case, lightning port problems is nothing more than dirt
which can easily be cleaned.

dirt is not a failure and something that can happen to *any* physical
port.

The difference is that there port on the phone goes
in your pocket and most pockets end up with some
dirt at the bottom of them.

Magsafe eliminates
this problem. USB-C is a much more robust connector system than
Lightning

nope. lightning is designed to snap at the connector thereby *avoiding* damage to the device. repairs are little more than replacing a cable
(cheap) and removing the tab stuck in the port. it's literally a 2
minute repair, which most people can do on their own.

usb-c is not designed to snap, which means that torque will almost
certainly cause a very expensive repair, if it can be repaired at all. further, the tab inside the port is susceptible to bending, even
without torquing the cable.

When you think about the environmental costs of prematurely replacing a
phone due to a failed Lightning port, versus the tiny amount of extra
electricity that wireless charging uses, the former has far greater
impact.

very, very few people replace their phone due to a failed lightning
port. as noted above, in nearly every case, all that's needed is a new
cable and removal of the broken tab.

more of your unsubstantiated fabrication.

Read what Albert Einstein said about wired charging:

obvious trolling.

For more data on wired versus wireless charging see...

...see the easily debunked claims.

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nospam wrote:

As a current EE I prefer wireless to wires.

go back to school.

Hi nospam,

You have no right to say that.

I checked Steve's resume and he _does_ have an EE degree, as do I (among others), where you are too uneducated to know how hard EE degrees are.

They're _extremely_ difficult to earn, as the math and physics involved is deeply complex - which means Steve has the ability to comprehend details.

While there's no evidence inherent in your lame excuses for Apple products
that you have _any_ formal education to speak of, your "claim" that you're
a programmer might mean you have a comp sci degree - but - I doubt you even went to college, nospam - simply because your posts show lack of education.

Given my assessment of your posts indicates you have _zero_ formal
education, and given I already checked out Steve's education, I'd want to
point out you iKooks will stop at nothing to deprecate people who are
educated (since you're not educated).

I seriously doubt you're even a coder, nospam, since _nothing_ you've ever written indicates knowledge of coding - and - in fact - almost everything
you write is easily shown to be false, misleading, and just plain wrong.

Hence... since half my goal on this ng is to expose you ignorant despicable ill-mannered ill-meaning unprepossessing iKooks for what you are, I would
say that when it comes to electrical engineering, Steve knows what he's
talking about (as does badgolferman on electrotechnical topics).

That isn't to say Steve doesn't play his nonsensical wacko far-to-the-left wacko political shenanigans (which I exposed during the Covid discussions
as I _also_ have a degree in the biological sciences - where it was
instantly evident the iKook "Chris" fabricated his "PhD" in that field
(and yet, Chris was unaware of even the most basic of science terms).

All you iKooks, nospam, completely lack both IQ and education - which is a
huge component of _why_ you're all iKooks - but you have to add your insane religious attachment to all that Apple spews to make you truly an iKook.

Interestingly, you, of all the iKooks, nospam, are the "most intelligent",
and, perhaps even the "most educated"... even as both are dismal for you.

In summary, you, of all people, have been dead wrong so many times on the _simplest_ of things about Apple... that you... have no right whatsoever...
to say Steve needs to "go back to school".

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badgolferman wrote:

badgolferman wrote:

I'm looking for a decent wall charger block with one USB-C and two
USB-A outputs which will work with iPhone 12 and iPhone 14 and other >>devices.

I found this but I'm not sure if it meets the recommended standards
and won't harm my phone or other devices I plug into it.

iPhone Charger Block 32W Fast Charging, JSAUX USB-C Wall Charger
[3-Port 20W+12W] Type C Charger with 20W USB-C Port & Dual 12W USB-A
Ports for iPhone 14 Pro Max/13/12/11/XR/XS/8 Plus/7/6S/SE 2022 etc >>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09DPRBL3Y?th=1


Any other suggestions? Not looking to spend more than $30 if
possible.

I found two more wall chargers with one USB-C and two USB-A ports.
Help me decide!

USB C Charger, 40W 3 Port USB C Charging Station, PD Fast Charger $24.99 https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Charging-Station-Multiport-Adapter/dp/B09WLS4GJY

USB C Wall Charger, Aioneus 3-Port 30W Fast Charging Plug, Type C PD
3.0 Charger Block $12.99 https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Aioneus-Charging-Foldable-Compatible/dp/B0B2RVPC55

And the first one:

iPhone Charger Block 32W Fast Charging, JSAUX USB-C Wall Charger $15.98 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09DPRBL3Y?th=1

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In article <tqjsph$14t1$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

In addition...
*Wireless charging is also very _slow_ (compared to wired charging)*

no it isn't. magsafe is ~15w, for example.

And in addition to that...
*Wireless charging effectively permanently eats up one USB-C wall charger*

nope. a wireless charging pad could use usb-a, usb-c, or be directly
connected to mains power or vehicle power. there are also battery packs
that connect wirelessly.

I'm an adult

many vehemently disagree.

so I commend Steve for what he does well, which is

trolling.

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On 2023-01-22 14:11, badgolferman wrote:

badgolferman wrote:

badgolferman wrote:

I'm looking for a decent wall charger block with one USB-C and two
USB-A outputs which will work with iPhone 12 and iPhone 14 and other
devices.

I found this but I'm not sure if it meets the recommended standards
and won't harm my phone or other devices I plug into it.

iPhone Charger Block 32W Fast Charging, JSAUX USB-C Wall Charger
[3-Port 20W+12W] Type C Charger with 20W USB-C Port & Dual 12W USB-A
Ports for iPhone 14 Pro Max/13/12/11/XR/XS/8 Plus/7/6S/SE 2022 etc
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09DPRBL3Y?th=1


Any other suggestions? Not looking to spend more than $30 if
possible.

I found two more wall chargers with one USB-C and two USB-A ports.
Help me decide!

USB C Charger, 40W 3 Port USB C Charging Station, PD Fast Charger $24.99 https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Charging-Station-Multiport-Adapter/dp/B09WLS4GJY

USB C Wall Charger, Aioneus 3-Port 30W Fast Charging Plug, Type C PD
3.0 Charger Block $12.99 https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Aioneus-Charging-Foldable-Compatible/dp/B0B2RVPC55

And the first one:

iPhone Charger Block 32W Fast Charging, JSAUX USB-C Wall Charger $15.98 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09DPRBL3Y?th=1

At a quick look, the white one with greeen USB-A slots claims the
highest overall output with all three slots being used - though capped
at 10W. I'd go there is my requirement was to always have the max
amount of power available (40W total).

The white and "orange" slotted one goes to 12W _total_ shared between 2
USB-A so one device up to 12W (or 1 @ 4W and 1 @ 8W for example).

The black + orange is ambiguous (as far as I read) on combined output
for the 2 USB-A's. IAC, it's USB C is capped at 18W (V 20 above).

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Alan Browne wrote:

At a quick look, the white one with greeen USB-A slots claims the
highest overall output with all three slots being used - though capped
at 10W. I'd go there is my requirement was to always have the max
amount of power available (40W total).

The white and "orange" slotted one goes to 12W _total_ shared between 2
USB-A so one device up to 12W (or 1 @ 4W and 1 @ 8W for example).

The black + orange is ambiguous (as far as I read) on combined output
for the 2 USB-A's. IAC, it's USB C is capped at 18W (V 20 above).

Wow! This is fantastic.

So many multi-port USB-A/USB-C chargers to choose from!
<https://www.newegg.com/p/359-00D8-001D2>
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09DPRBL3Y>
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XYNK5TG>
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B087MFJY22/>
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08X42DRMR/>
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B2RVPC55>
<https://www.amazon.com//dp/B09WLS4GJY>

Adding to Alan Browne's excellent review, I'd add that you don't seem to
care about QC, but many other people might care who are reading this.

In addition, this $18 cube contains the two USB-A & one USB-C you asked for (but with a completely different form factor & no mention of PD or QC)
<https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Extender-Charging-Delivery-Esstential/dp/B09PGXWNWG>
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09PGXWNWG>

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On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 18:33:04 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

I'm looking for a decent wall charger block with one USB-C and two
USB-A outputs which will work with iPhone 12 and iPhone 14 and other
devices. I know these have been recommended but they're not exactly
what I wanted:

I found this but I'm not sure if it meets the recommended standards and
won't harm my phone or other devices I plug into it.

That's the real question - and unfortunately, I'm not aware of any real certificaton.

iPhone 12 names at least 20 W and offers a lightning connector.

Same for iPhone 14.

So why do you want USB-A and USB-C? You want to use a cable from USB-A
to lightning? What's the purpose of your USB-C?

But those are pretty low requirements. The real trouble begins if you
need 100 W, using both proper USB-C cables and proper power supplies -
not for iPhones, but for tablets, laptops and other devices with larger batteries.

...not to speak of USB 2.1 with 5 to 50 V and 240 W.

USB-A has been heavily abused, not only to provide 5 V / 100 mA without communication, but many times to send 5 V / 500 mA and even more,
without proper implemenation of the standard's requirements.

iPhone 14 is rumored (?) to have 3200 mAh, chargable to 50 % within 30
minutes. So obviously that does require 1600 mA for 0.5 h or 3200 mA for
1 h - which would be 16 W (5 V * 3.2 A = 16 W). Assuming for some
charging losses with an efficiency of less than 100 % those 20 W seem to
be reasonable.

But that's one port only. You want the same for all three ports at the
same time, then your charger would have to be rated with at least 60 W.

Or you want 20+20+60 W, then it would be 100 W, obviously.

However, USB-A is usually limited to 5 V, 500 mA (-> 2.5 W) or 900 mA

4.5 W). USB 3.0 increased that to 5 V, 1500 mA (-> 7.5 W). USB 3.1

names even 3.0 A, although the charged device should not use more than
2.1 A. Or you use devices which go far beyond the standard and do
provide 9 or 12 V via USB-A. So there is plenty of creativity here,
adding even further pins within the USB-A plug. Those may be helpful -
or they my burn down your device of even your neighbourhood.

Anything beyond the standard is possible, but should be used for exactly matching partners only. For your iPhones I'd recommend to use USB-C only
- so the requirement would be more for USB-C/USB-C/USB-A instead of USB-C/USB-A/USB-A!?

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Martin Τrautmann wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 18:33:04 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

I'm looking for a decent wall charger block with one USB-C and two
USB-A outputs which will work with iPhone 12 and iPhone 14 and
other devices. I know these have been recommended but they're not
exactly what I wanted:

I found this but I'm not sure if it meets the recommended
standards and won't harm my phone or other devices I plug into it.

That's the real question - and unfortunately, I'm not aware of any
real certificaton.

iPhone 12 names at least 20 W and offers a lightning connector.

Same for iPhone 14.

So why do you want USB-A and USB-C? You want to use a cable from USB-A
to lightning? What's the purpose of your USB-C?

But those are pretty low requirements. The real trouble begins if you
need 100 W, using both proper USB-C cables and proper power supplies -
not for iPhones, but for tablets, laptops and other devices with
larger batteries.

...not to speak of USB 2.1 with 5 to 50 V and 240 W.

USB-A has been heavily abused, not only to provide 5 V / 100 mA
without communication, but many times to send 5 V / 500 mA and even
more, without proper implemenation of the standard's requirements.

iPhone 14 is rumored (?) to have 3200 mAh, chargable to 50 % within 30 >minutes. So obviously that does require 1600 mA for 0.5 h or 3200 mA
for 1 h - which would be 16 W (5 V * 3.2 A = 16 W). Assuming for some >charging losses with an efficiency of less than 100 % those 20 W seem
to be reasonable.

But that's one port only. You want the same for all three ports at the
same time, then your charger would have to be rated with at least 60
W.

Or you want 20+20+60 W, then it would be 100 W, obviously.

However, USB-A is usually limited to 5 V, 500 mA (-> 2.5 W) or 900 mA

4.5 W). USB 3.0 increased that to 5 V, 1500 mA (-> 7.5 W). USB 3.1

names even 3.0 A, although the charged device should not use more than
2.1 A. Or you use devices which go far beyond the standard and do
provide 9 or 12 V via USB-A. So there is plenty of creativity here,
adding even further pins within the USB-A plug. Those may be helpful -
or they my burn down your device of even your neighbourhood.

Anything beyond the standard is possible, but should be used for
exactly matching partners only. For your iPhones I'd recommend to use
USB-C only - so the requirement would be more for USB-C/USB-C/USB-A
instead of USB-C/USB-A/USB-A!?

I'm guessing you didn't see the subsequent messages in this thread
describing my needs so I will post them once more.

I would like a portable wall charger capable of powering my iPhone 14,
Apple Watch, and Signia hearing aids. The area where all these devices
sit is limited in space and receptacles. I also travel on occasion and
don't want to carry multiple chargers. The watch and hearing aids both
have USB-A cables and low power requirements. I also wanted the
charger to have PD output to manage the charging needs of the iPhone.

I ended up ordering this charger along with appropriate 6-foot cables
and a PD car charger:
USB C Charger, 40W 3 Port USB C Charging Station, PD Fast Charger $24.99 https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Charging-Station-Multiport-Adapter/dp/B09WLS4GJY

It's compact enough to cover only one outlet on the wall receptacle and
with three cables attached still stays connected without falling out.
The phone also seems to charge faster so I don't even really need to
leave it in all night like with the old charger. I assume(?) the power management of the phone and charger will shut off the charging as
appropriate.

Whether I got the best device possible or some cheap Chinese junk
remains to be seen, but for now it seems to fit my needs and the value
was acceptable.

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On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 12:11:19 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

I'm guessing you didn't see the subsequent messages in this thread
describing my needs so I will post them once more.

Thanks - I had missed those

I ended up ordering this charger along with appropriate 6-foot cables
and a PD car charger:
USB C Charger, 40W 3 Port USB C Charging Station, PD Fast Charger $24.99 https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Charging-Station-Multiport-Adapter/dp/B09WLS4GJY

Is there any consent or need to name the USB-C port with "PD3.0" and a
symbol that is unknown to me?

It looks reasonable to me and names for USB-A/USB-A/USB-C 10 W/10 W/20
W. From what I had written before I wonder how it does solve those 10 W
- would it be 5 V/2.0 A all the time or by proper data communication?

USB-A must output 0.1 A only. But by data communication this may be
increased.

"40w usb c charger" and "1x 3-ports usb-c charging station" might be ok, although I would prefer proper upper/lower case and exact declaration.

But the details of the spec look good to me:
USB-C Output: 5V-3A / 9V-2.2A / 12V-1.67A

I don't like those "USB-A Output: 5V-2.0A" which might brick some
devices which handle lower currents only.

I'll have to learn more about PD 3.0 now - it seems to be the same power
spec, but more communication. From what I learn by now

- PD 3.0 would be helpful for multiple USB-C outputs which would share
the total power. But you got one USB-C only.

- with PD 3.0 power could go both ways, e.g. charging from one phone to
another. That does not matter here either.

Apart from that I wonder whether there is any Programmable Power Supply
(PPS) involved here and whether anything of PD3.0 actually is used
within this charger.

Whether I got the best device possible or some cheap Chinese junk
remains to be seen, but for now it seems to fit my needs and the value
was acceptable.

That's the most important part, for you. Personally I still wonder about
the state of the art and how to make sure that you get or don't get when
you buy stuff like that.

20 W should be harmless. But from 60 W on (per port) things can become
messy.

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On 1/25/2023 4:11 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

The watch and hearing aids both
have USB-A cables and low power requirements. I also wanted the
charger to have PD output to manage the charging needs of the iPhone.

I read about USB-A in my history book.

I've been moving everything to USB-C to whatever.

I have USB-C to USB-C, USB-C to Lightining, USB-C to Apple Watch, USB-C
to MagSafe, USB-C to laptop (with a trigger cable that tells the charger
to switch to 20 volts), and even USB-C to MicroUSB since, unfortunately,
many manufacturers of stuff like flashlights, bicycle lights, and
single-cell battery chargers used Micro-USB in the past and many still do.

The goal was to minimize the number of chargers and cables.

This is the charger I take on trips if I take my laptop: <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B091Z6JNX4>.

For trips where I just take the iPad, watch, and phones, I use this one: <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XYNK5TG> though it actually does power the
laptop as well.

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Martin �rautmann wrote:

Is there any consent or need to name the USB-C port with "PD3.0" and a
symbol that is unknown to me?

I'll let badgolferman answer with his opinion, but I will state that, currently, I believe a high-power charger with both PD and QC is important
for "many" people who own devices of the various platforms (like I do).

In a few years, it may be less necessary to support both specifications; so
I need to be clear I'm talking about today. Not tomorrow.

However, having said that, I'm aware that badgolferman has already
considered PD & QC, and he has stated _he_ only needs PD capabilities (as I recall) - which means this charger is just fine for him.

As for your question, whether or not badgolferman needs PD 3.0 is up to him
- but what's the harm in labeling the port to make it clear what it is
(and more importantly for people with other platforms, what it is not)?

It looks reasonable to me and names for USB-A/USB-A/USB-C 10 W/10 W/20
W. From what I had written before I wonder how it does solve those 10 W
- would it be 5 V/2.0 A all the time or by proper data communication?

Data? While a PD device and a PD charger certainly "communicate" with each other, I'm not sure what you mean by "proper data communication" here.

USB-A must output 0.1 A only. But by data communication this may be increased.

The attached photo of badgolferman's charger explains the answer to that. <https://i.postimg.cc/8kFrtZNL/charger06.jpg> 3-port USB-A, USB-A, USB-C PD

Note the voltage and current specifications are in the right half of that
image I made just for you so that you could, yourself, glean the answer.

"40w usb c charger" and "1x 3-ports usb-c charging station" might be ok, although I would prefer proper upper/lower case and exact declaration.

But the details of the spec look good to me:
USB-C Output: 5V-3A / 9V-2.2A / 12V-1.67A

The PD output is 5.0VDC at 3A or 9.0VDC at 2.22A or 12.0VDC at 1.67A.

I don't like those "USB-A Output: 5V-2.0A" which might brick some
devices which handle lower currents only.

Do you seriously think the designers didn't _think_ of what you thought of?

Whether I got the best device possible or some cheap Chinese junk
remains to be seen, but for now it seems to fit my needs and the value
was acceptable.

That's the most important part, for you.

Fear is fine when it's warranted.
And, fear is in the mind of the beholder; so that's up to badgolferman how
much he is afraid of his purchase causing him or his devices harm.

Hell, Apple made a big deal about fear of chargers without an Apple logo on them electrocuting you in the bathtub, so, Apple knows the value of fear.

Personally I still wonder about
the state of the art and how to make sure that you get or don't get when
you buy stuff like that.

C'mon. What are you worried about? It's twenty five bucks.

20 W should be harmless. But from 60 W on (per port) things can become
messy.

Why?

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sms wrote:

This is the charger I take on trips if I take my laptop: <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B091Z6JNX4>.

Steve is the acknowledged expert on chargers.
I bought "most" of the chargers he has recommended.

<https://i.postimg.cc/DzGLSQJr/charger01.jpg> 3-port QA & PC GaN charger
<https://i.postimg.cc/v8t77vPX/charger02.jpg> 3-port model CH-GN67W2C1A
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XYNK5TG>

<https://i.postimg.cc/9FCfT60g/charger03.jpg> 4-port B087MFJY22 2C & 2A
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B087MFJY22/>

<https://i.postimg.cc/63hntrBm/charger04.jpg> 4-port supports both QC/PD
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08X42DRMR/>/

<https://i.postimg.cc/8kFrtZNL/charger06.jpg> 3-port USB-A, USB-A, USB-C
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09WLS4GJY>

<https://i.postimg.cc/KzXDyTBY/charger07.jpg> 4-port three USB-C & 1 USB-A
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B091Z6JNX4>
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B6PHT926>

For trips where I just take the iPad, watch, and phones, I use this one: <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XYNK5TG> though it actually does power the laptop as well.

For the $10 I got that charger for, on recommendation from Steve, it's
great; but I wouldn't spend much more only because its long form factor
makes it tip easily out of a wall when three cables are attached to it.

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badgolferman wrote:

I ended up ordering this charger along with appropriate 6-foot cables
and a PD car charger:
USB C Charger, 40W 3 Port USB C Charging Station, PD Fast Charger
$24.99 >https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Charging-Station-Multiport-Adapter/dp/B09WLS4GJY

It's compact enough to cover only one outlet on the wall receptacle
and with three cables attached still stays connected without falling
out. The phone also seems to charge faster so I don't even really
need to leave it in all night like with the old charger. I assume(?)
the power management of the phone and charger will shut off the
charging as appropriate.

Whether I got the best device possible or some cheap Chinese junk
remains to be seen, but for now it seems to fit my needs and the value
was acceptable.

I have a charging question. As you know, we went through this exercise
of choosing the most appropriate wall charger for my iPhone 14. I made
sure it was PD rated so it would not harm the phone by overcharging and
also that it would shut itself off as appropriate. My phone's Battery
settings have Optimized Battery Charging enabled as well.

If I plug in the phone before I go to bed at 10:00pm, it's already
charged to 100% a couple hours later. Is this normal or should it be
waiting until I get up at 5:00am to finish up? How can I know if all
the charging electronics are working properly to enhance the life of
the battery?

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In article <xn0nxnjgg2xlw1k004@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

If I plug in the phone before I go to bed at 10:00pm, it's already
charged to 100% a couple hours later. Is this normal or should it be
waiting until I get up at 5:00am to finish up?

it learns your patterns and at some point, it should hold at 80% until
the morning, although it's not a big deal if it doesn't.

How can I know if all
the charging electronics are working properly to enhance the life of
the battery?

they are.

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Am 03.02.23 um 13:58 schrieb badgolferman:

If I plug in the phone before I go to bed at 10:00pm, it's already
charged to 100% a couple hours later. Is this normal or should it be
waiting until I get up at 5:00am to finish up? How can I know if all
the charging electronics are working properly to enhance the life of
the battery?

Given the option works correctly it will tell you when the charging will
be finished as soon as it reaches 80% charging level. That very much
depends on your habits.

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On 2/3/2023 4:58 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

If I plug in the phone before I go to bed at 10:00pm, it's already
charged to 100% a couple hours later. Is this normal or should it be
waiting until I get up at 5:00am to finish up? How can I know if all
the charging electronics are working properly to enhance the life of
the battery?

From Apple "Optimized Battery Charging needs at least 14 days to learn
your charging habits, so it won't engage before then. Also, your iPhone
needs to experience at least 9 charges of 5 hours or more in a given
location for Optimized Battery Charging to engage."

There will be a notice on the screen when optimized battery charging is engaged.

Read <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210512>.

Also consider getting a wireless charger. As Albert Einstein said
"People that use wired charging are standing in the way of human
progress." But seriously, your phone will likely last longer since the Lightning Port is the third most common repair needed on iPhones.

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sms wrote:

On 2/3/2023 4:58 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

If I plug in the phone before I go to bed at 10:00pm, it's already
charged to 100% a couple hours later. Is this normal or should it
be waiting until I get up at 5:00am to finish up? How can I know
if all the charging electronics are working properly to enhance the
life of the battery?

From Apple "Optimized Battery Charging needs at least 14 days to
learn your charging habits, so it won't engage before then. Also,
your iPhone needs to experience at least 9 charges of 5 hours or more
in a given location for Optimized Battery Charging to engage."

There will be a notice on the screen when optimized battery charging
is engaged.

Read <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210512>.

Also consider getting a wireless charger. As Albert Einstein said
"People that use wired charging are standing in the way of human
progress." But seriously, your phone will likely last longer since
the Lightning Port is the third most common repair needed on iPhones.

I've had the phone for months. You'd think it would have learned by
now.

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On 2/3/2023 6:32 AM, badgolferman wrote:

sms wrote:

On 2/3/2023 4:58 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

If I plug in the phone before I go to bed at 10:00pm, it's already
charged to 100% a couple hours later. Is this normal or should it
be waiting until I get up at 5:00am to finish up? How can I know
if all the charging electronics are working properly to enhance the
life of the battery?

From Apple "Optimized Battery Charging needs at least 14 days to
learn your charging habits, so it won't engage before then. Also,
your iPhone needs to experience at least 9 charges of 5 hours or more
in a given location for Optimized Battery Charging to engage."

There will be a notice on the screen when optimized battery charging
is engaged.

Read <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210512>.

Also consider getting a wireless charger. As Albert Einstein said
"People that use wired charging are standing in the way of human
progress." But seriously, your phone will likely last longer since
the Lightning Port is the third most common repair needed on iPhones.

I've had the phone for months. You'd think it would have learned by
now.

Have you been charging it with a USB-C PD charger for months? Though
maybe that doesn't matter.

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sms wrote:

On 2/3/2023 6:32 AM, badgolferman wrote:

sms wrote:

On 2/3/2023 4:58 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

If I plug in the phone before I go to bed at 10:00pm, it's
already charged to 100% a couple hours later. Is this normal
or should it be waiting until I get up at 5:00am to finish up?
How can I know if all the charging electronics are working
properly to enhance the life of the battery?

From Apple "Optimized Battery Charging needs at least 14 days to
learn your charging habits, so it won't engage before then. Also,
your iPhone needs to experience at least 9 charges of 5 hours or
more in a given location for Optimized Battery Charging to
engage."

There will be a notice on the screen when optimized battery
charging is engaged.

Read <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210512>.

Also consider getting a wireless charger. As Albert Einstein said
"People that use wired charging are standing in the way of human >>>progress." But seriously, your phone will likely last longer since
the Lightning Port is the third most common repair needed on
iPhones.

I've had the phone for months. You'd think it would have learned by
now.

Have you been charging it with a USB-C PD charger for months? Though
maybe that doesn't matter.

No, maybe a couple weeks with the new charger.

I have not seen the message that says optimized charging will wait
until a certain time to continue charging past 80%. I've seen that
message before but can't remember if it was this phone or the iPhone 12
I had before.

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On 2023-02-03 09:29, sms wrote:

Also consider getting a wireless charger.

No - don't do that. Wired charging uses less power per unit of battery
charge.

Wireless charging wastes energy and heats up the phone (and its battery)
for no good reason. Heat is the enemy of batteries.

--
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danger to American democracy.”
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- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
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On 2/3/2023 7:16 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

I have not seen the message that says optimized charging will wait
until a certain time to continue charging past 80%. I've seen that
message before but can't remember if it was this phone or the iPhone 12
I had before.

Time for a trip to the Genius Bar at an Apple Store if you don't see
that message, but they will just tell you to "be patient" and to do the
usual stuff of disabling and re-enabling optimized battery charging,
enable locations services, turn-off and turn-on your phone, make sure
you have the latest version of iOS, or reset all your settings.

Hard to believe that it's some sort of hardware problem.

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In article <trj5nm$1fhl3$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

But seriously, your phone will likely last longer since the
Lightning Port is the third most common repair needed on iPhones.

another unsubstantiated and demonstrably false claim.

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sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

On 2/3/2023 7:16 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

I have not seen the message that says optimized charging will wait
until a certain time to continue charging past 80%. I've seen that
message before but can't remember if it was this phone or the iPhone 12
I had before.

Time for a trip to the Genius Bar at an Apple Store if you don't see
that message, but they will just tell you to "be patient" and to do the
usual stuff of disabling and re-enabling optimized battery charging,
enable locations services, turn-off and turn-on your phone, make sure
you have the latest version of iOS, or reset all your settings.

Hard to believe that it's some sort of hardware problem.

I have seen this happened before in my iPhone 12 mini. That's because I
charge mine irregularly at various hours even if I always charge
overnight. I charge often during the daytimes too since I'm a heavy user
and iPhone 12 mini's battery is small.

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Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

On 2023-02-03 09:29, sms wrote:

Also consider getting a wireless charger.

No - don't do that. Wired charging uses less power per unit of battery charge.

Wireless charging wastes energy and heats up the phone (and its battery)
for no good reason. Heat is the enemy of batteries.

I noticed fast charges really warm up, but I hate waiting especially
during mid day when I need to use iPhone soon. :(

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On 2023-02-03 16:15, Ant wrote:

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

On 2023-02-03 09:29, sms wrote:

Also consider getting a wireless charger.

No - don't do that. Wired charging uses less power per unit of battery
charge.

Wireless charging wastes energy and heats up the phone (and its battery)
for no good reason. Heat is the enemy of batteries.

I noticed fast charges really warm up, but I hate waiting especially
during mid day when I need to use iPhone soon. :(

Use cases vary so you have to do what you have to do. But for many
(most I assume) people overnight charging is sufficient (I often go 2
days between charges).

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danger to American democracy.”
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On 04-02-2023 04:02 Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

I noticed fast charges really warm up, but I hate waiting especially
during mid day when I need to use iPhone soon. :(

Use cases vary so you have to do what you have to do. But for many
(most I assume) people overnight charging is sufficient (I often go 2
days between charges).

Aren't you the same guy that said everything that still works needs to be replaced by Apple so that Apple can sell more expensive complex devices?

What's wonderful about fast charges is you no longer even think about the
state of charge of the phone because it charges to full in half an hour.

Given you ridiculed components that worked for decades, it's odd behavior
of you to now say that the old way of waiting all night is the way to go.

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On 2023-02-04 00:27, mike wrote:

On 04-02-2023 04:02 Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

I noticed fast charges really warm up, but I hate waiting especially
during mid day when I need to use iPhone soon. :(

Use cases vary so you have to do what you have to do.  But for many
(most I assume) people overnight charging is sufficient (I often go 2
days between charges).

Aren't you the same guy that said everything that still works needs to be replaced by Apple so that Apple can sell more expensive complex devices?

No. But it's clear you're taking something I said and re-casting it as something different.

What's wonderful about fast charges is you no longer even think about the state of charge of the phone because it charges to full in half an hour.

Which is a needless thing for most people (IMO) as most people (by my observation) go through the day on one charge. So a milder (less heat generating) charge rate results in longer lasting batteries. That is a
"good thing".

Given you ridiculed components that worked for decades, it's odd behavior

Nothing wrong with things that have worked for decades. I look around
and see rubber tires on cars and trucks all of the time and no viable
alternate solution in sight.

But when better things come along, you move forward.

Apple have a tendency to push it. Sorry: lead.

of you to now say that the old way of waiting all night is the way to go.

I pointed out that for Ant's use case he has do what meets _his_ needs.

What meets my needs is charging overnight about 90% of the time. When I
used my car more, the phone was connected and so I rarely charged it
outside of the car - it was never low and rarely got to 100% charge.

These days working from home a lot so a charge can last 1 to 3 days
depending on how much actual time I spend using the "phone" part of the
phone. Rarely need things to be charged fast.

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- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
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