• Volume levelling by app?

    From Chris@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 26 17:13:26 2023
    I listen to either voice-based programs via BBC Sounds or Apple music, but
    the BBC programs tend to be relatively quiet. Is there a way to get
    app-based volume levelling to stop my ears being blasted when listening to Music after a BBC podcast?

    I'd rather amplify the BBC rather than suppress Music.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 26 12:54:11 2023
    In article <tqucbm$198us$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    I listen to either voice-based programs via BBC Sounds or Apple music, but the BBC programs tend to be relatively quiet. Is there a way to get
    app-based volume levelling to stop my ears being blasted when listening to Music after a BBC podcast?

    <https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/change-the-way-music-sounds-iph5 643d2c85/ios>
    Normalize the volume level of your audio: Go to Settings > Music,
    then turn on Sound Check

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Jan 26 20:54:36 2023
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <tqucbm$198us$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    I listen to either voice-based programs via BBC Sounds or Apple music, but >> the BBC programs tend to be relatively quiet. Is there a way to get
    app-based volume levelling to stop my ears being blasted when listening to >> Music after a BBC podcast?

    <https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/change-the-way-music-sounds-iph5 643d2c85/ios>
    Normalize the volume level of your audio: Go to Settings > Music,
    then turn on Sound Check

    You snipped the bit where I didn't want to suppress Music's volume nor do I want compress the dynamic range of my library. The issue isn't jumping
    between different types of music. It's swapping between apps.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Chris on Thu Jan 26 16:07:07 2023
    Chris wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <tqucbm$198us$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    I listen to either voice-based programs via BBC Sounds or Apple music, but >>> the BBC programs tend to be relatively quiet. Is there a way to get
    app-based volume levelling to stop my ears being blasted when listening to >>> Music after a BBC podcast?

    <https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/change-the-way-music-sounds-iph5
    643d2c85/ios>
    Normalize the volume level of your audio: Go to Settings > Music,
    then turn on Sound Check

    You snipped the bit where I didn't want to suppress Music's volume nor do I want compress the dynamic range of my library. The issue isn't jumping between different types of music. It's swapping between apps.


    This isn't possible in IOS. At least, I never found any way, and I
    have asked in the past, and researched some myself too. It probably
    isn't possible, unless there is a volume control inside the app
    itself, and even that may not be possible within the apple OS
    structure. You'll just have to deal with it.

    Anyway, you have misconstrued the core purpose of this group. This
    group is dedicated entirely to quarreling over apple corporate
    minutia, especially legal cases, and also for shilling for either
    android or apple in a dogmatic religious cult way. Everything here
    usually degenerates to this: Is so ... is not ... is so ... is not,
    then to LIAR! Am not ... are too .... and so forth.

    It's a very contentious group, and you are unlikely to get a good
    answer, even if one exists. That is a rare occurrence, but does
    happen once in a blue moon.


    Good luck, and sorry I can't help.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 26 16:35:11 2023
    In article <tqupac$1bdfk$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    The issue isn't jumping
    between different types of music. It's swapping between apps.

    each app has control over the volume of any sound it produces and has
    no way to know how loud or soft an entirely different app will be. this
    is not specific to ios either.

    an external speaker or headset might be able to match volumes, since it
    has no way to know what app is generating the audio.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Jan 26 22:47:08 2023
    On 2023-01-26, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Chris wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <tqucbm$198us$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    I listen to either voice-based programs via BBC Sounds or Apple
    music, but the BBC programs tend to be relatively quiet. Is there a
    way to get app-based volume levelling to stop my ears being blasted
    when listening to Music after a BBC podcast?

    <https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/change-the-way-music-sounds-iph5 >>> 643d2c85/ios> Normalize the volume level of your audio: Go to
    Settings > Music, then turn on Sound Check

    You snipped the bit where I didn't want to suppress Music's volume
    nor do I want compress the dynamic range of my library. The issue
    isn't jumping between different types of music. It's swapping between
    apps.

    This isn't possible in IOS. At least, I never found any way, and I
    have asked in the past, and researched some myself too.

    There is no OS-level feature to adjust volume per app in iOS. I suppose
    if enough people requested it in Apple feedback, Apple may add such a
    feature, but my bet is most people don't want it.

    It probably isn't possible, unless there is a volume control inside
    the app itself, and even that may not be possible within the apple OS structure.

    It's definitely possible. For instance, the Pushover app lets you set
    the volume level for critical alerts. App developers are in control of
    this sort of thing and can offer this functionality if they wish.

    You'll just have to deal with it.

    Probably - unless you can convince an app developer to address it in
    their app.

    Anyway, you have misconstrued the core purpose of this group. This
    group is dedicated entirely to quarreling over apple corporate
    minutia, especially legal cases, and also for shilling for either
    android or apple in a dogmatic religious cult way. Everything here
    usually degenerates to this: Is so ... is not ... is so ... is not,
    then to LIAR! Am not ... are too .... and so forth.

    That improves if you filter out the troll posts.

    It's a very contentious group, and you are unlikely to get a good
    answer, even if one exists. That is a rare occurrence, but does happen
    once in a blue moon.

    That's due to the resident anti-Apple trolls stirring shit every chance
    they get.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Fri Jan 27 08:17:40 2023
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    This isn't possible in IOS. At least, I never found any way, and I
    have asked in the past, and researched some myself too.

    There is no OS-level feature to adjust volume per app in iOS. I suppose
    if enough people requested it in Apple feedback, Apple may add such a feature, but my bet is most people don't want it.

    It's not something that I would want, but I can see millions of people
    wanting to adjust the volume on a simple per-app basis as Chris desires.

    If it's something that is in all Android phones, it's likely something that Apple users want - but - if it's not there - then Apple does NOT want it.

    It's how Apple products work. Apple (and nospam) decide what you want.
    Not you.

    The curious question is why does Apple restrict your ability to set the
    volume on a per-app basis. Why would Apple want to restrict your choice?

    It probably isn't possible, unless there is a volume control inside
    the app itself, and even that may not be possible within the apple OS
    structure.

    It's definitely possible. For instance, the Pushover app lets you set
    the volume level for critical alerts. App developers are in control of
    this sort of thing and can offer this functionality if they wish.

    Curious, I looked up how Android apps set their individual volume control.
    *15 Best Volume Control And Booster Apps*
    <https://www.techuntold.com/best-volume-control-apps/>

    That there are so many is an indication there is a desire for the feature.
    So the question morphs to why Apple doesn't want you to have the choice.

    You'll just have to deal with it.

    Probably - unless you can convince an app developer to address it in
    their app.

    Note that Android has _plenty_ of app developers doing just that...
    *10 best volume control apps for Android*
    <https://www.androidauthority.com/best-volume-control-apps-android-3101217/>

    The point is that there _is_ a desire for this functionality.
    But, for whatever reason, Apple just doesn't want you to have the choice.

    Anyway, you have misconstrued the core purpose of this group. This
    group is dedicated entirely to quarreling over apple corporate
    minutia, especially legal cases, and also for shilling for either
    android or apple in a dogmatic religious cult way. Everything here
    usually degenerates to this: Is so ... is not ... is so ... is not,
    then to LIAR! Am not ... are too .... and so forth.

    That improves if you filter out the troll posts.

    Filter the facts and you'll remain ignorant of all facts about Apple.

    And then you will never learn _any_ facts about Apple products, such as the fact that you trolls lied for years that Apple updates older releases.

    Apple has _never_ fully patched _any_ older release in its history.
    In fact, *iOS has the _shortest_ support life of all smartphone OSs.*

    It's a very contentious group, and you are unlikely to get a good
    answer, even if one exists. That is a rare occurrence, but does happen
    once in a blue moon.

    That's due to the resident anti-Apple trolls stirring shit every chance
    they get.

    Actually, it's due to the resident Apple iKooks who are not only completely ignorant of all things Apple does, but they deny even what Apple doesn't.

    Note that those who Jolly Roger called "trolls" have no problem on the
    _adult_ OS newsgroups - so it's _only_ in the child-like Apple newsgroups
    that there is this contention (because iKooks deny all things Apple does).

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Jan 27 08:00:17 2023
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <tqupac$1bdfk$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    The issue isn't jumping
    between different types of music. It's swapping between apps.

    each app has control over the volume of any sound it produces and has
    no way to know how loud or soft an entirely different app will be. this
    is not specific to ios either.

    Yes but *I* know that my preferred volume for BBC is let's say a "9" and
    for Music is a "7". It wouldn't be hard to have a preset that matches *my* expectation. iOS doesn't need to do anything itself.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Fri Jan 27 07:52:00 2023
    Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Chris wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <tqucbm$198us$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    I listen to either voice-based programs via BBC Sounds or Apple music, but >>>> the BBC programs tend to be relatively quiet. Is there a way to get
    app-based volume levelling to stop my ears being blasted when listening to >>>> Music after a BBC podcast?

    <https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/change-the-way-music-sounds-iph5 >>> 643d2c85/ios>
    Normalize the volume level of your audio: Go to Settings > Music,
    then turn on Sound Check

    You snipped the bit where I didn't want to suppress Music's volume nor do I >> want compress the dynamic range of my library. The issue isn't jumping
    between different types of music. It's swapping between apps.


    This isn't possible in IOS. At least, I never found any way, and I
    have asked in the past, and researched some myself too. It probably
    isn't possible, unless there is a volume control inside the app
    itself, and even that may not be possible within the apple OS
    structure. You'll just have to deal with it.

    Shame. Thanks.

    Anyway, you have misconstrued the core purpose of this group. This
    group is dedicated entirely to quarreling over apple corporate
    minutia, especially legal cases, and also for shilling for either
    android or apple in a dogmatic religious cult way. Everything here
    usually degenerates to this: Is so ... is not ... is so ... is not,
    then to LIAR! Am not ... are too .... and so forth.

    Quite. I probably should have labelled my post as off-topic ;)

    It's a very contentious group, and you are unlikely to get a good
    answer, even if one exists. That is a rare occurrence, but does
    happen once in a blue moon.


    Good luck, and sorry I can't help.

    No worries and thanks.

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  • From Chris Schram@21:1/5 to Chris on Fri Jan 27 08:31:23 2023
    On 2023-01-27, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <tqupac$1bdfk$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    The issue isn't jumping
    between different types of music. It's swapping between apps.

    each app has control over the volume of any sound it produces and has
    no way to know how loud or soft an entirely different app will be. this
    is not specific to ios either.

    Yes but *I* know that my preferred volume for BBC is let's say a "9" and
    for Music is a "7". It wouldn't be hard to have a preset that matches *my* expectation. iOS doesn't need to do anything itself.

    I have not tried this myself, and it may be overkill, but... Could you
    use Shortcuts to make a custom launcher for your various music apps? eg.
    1) select desired app from a list, 2) set system volume, 3) launch app.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Chris Schram on Fri Jan 27 11:50:40 2023
    Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-27, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <tqupac$1bdfk$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    The issue isn't jumping
    between different types of music. It's swapping between apps.

    each app has control over the volume of any sound it produces and has
    no way to know how loud or soft an entirely different app will be. this
    is not specific to ios either.

    Yes but *I* know that my preferred volume for BBC is let's say a "9" and
    for Music is a "7". It wouldn't be hard to have a preset that matches *my* >> expectation. iOS doesn't need to do anything itself.

    I have not tried this myself, and it may be overkill, but... Could you
    use Shortcuts to make a custom launcher for your various music apps? eg.
    1) select desired app from a list, 2) set system volume, 3) launch app.

    Actually that sounds like a good idea. Something to try at the weekend. Not really found a use for shortcuts yet, this could be the one.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 27 08:37:14 2023
    In article <tr00ah$1js58$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:


    The issue isn't jumping
    between different types of music. It's swapping between apps.

    each app has control over the volume of any sound it produces and has
    no way to know how loud or soft an entirely different app will be. this
    is not specific to ios either.

    Yes but *I* know that my preferred volume for BBC is let's say a "9" and
    for Music is a "7". It wouldn't be hard to have a preset that matches *my* expectation. iOS doesn't need to do anything itself.

    it's up to the app to implement volume control for any sound it might
    make. if it doesn't, the system volume is used.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Jan 27 09:46:06 2023
    On 2023-01-27 09:39, nospam wrote:
    correct, as well as tech support. apple targets the masses, not every possible edge case.

    Billion+ iPhone users.

    Large proportion use them to listen to music, podcasts, websites, news services, etc.

    Doesn't sound very "edge case" to me.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to jollyroger@pobox.com on Fri Jan 27 09:39:37 2023
    In article <k3i5avFod2nU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:


    To be fair, iOS would certainly need to be changed to provide a user interface for allowing users to specify custom volume levels for each
    app, as well as changes to the system to actually set the volume
    whenever a given app is in use.

    which would be a ui disaster and confuse nearly everyone, especially if something is changed in error.

    Like i said, I'm willing to bet there just isn't enough actual demand for this functionality as a large percentage of total users to justify the changes and added complexity.

    correct, as well as tech support. apple targets the masses, not every
    possible edge case.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to bitbucket@blackhole.com on Fri Jan 27 10:11:42 2023
    In article <OsRAL.329663$Tcw8.93458@fx10.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    Billion+ iPhone users.

    Large proportion use them to listen to music, podcasts, websites, news services, etc.

    yep, and they do that without any issues.

    Doesn't sound very "edge case" to me.

    the edge case is being able to set the volume of each individual app.

    the user interface alone to do that is going to be a huge mess.

    as has been said before, apps control the volume of the sounds they
    produce.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Chris on Fri Jan 27 14:27:43 2023
    On 2023-01-27, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <tqupac$1bdfk$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    The issue isn't jumping between different types of music. It's
    swapping between apps.

    each app has control over the volume of any sound it produces and has
    no way to know how loud or soft an entirely different app will be.
    this is not specific to ios either.

    Yes but *I* know that my preferred volume for BBC is let's say a "9"
    and for Music is a "7". It wouldn't be hard to have a preset that
    matches *my* expectation. iOS doesn't need to do anything itself.

    To be fair, iOS would certainly need to be changed to provide a user
    interface for allowing users to specify custom volume levels for each
    app, as well as changes to the system to actually set the volume
    whenever a given app is in use.

    Like i said, I'm willing to bet there just isn't enough actual demand for
    this functionality as a large percentage of total users to justify the
    changes and added complexity.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Chris Schram on Fri Jan 27 07:35:13 2023
    On 1/27/2023 12:31 AM, Chris Schram wrote:
    On 2023-01-27, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <tqupac$1bdfk$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    The issue isn't jumping
    between different types of music. It's swapping between apps.

    each app has control over the volume of any sound it produces and has
    no way to know how loud or soft an entirely different app will be. this
    is not specific to ios either.

    Yes but *I* know that my preferred volume for BBC is let's say a "9" and
    for Music is a "7". It wouldn't be hard to have a preset that matches *my* >> expectation. iOS doesn't need to do anything itself.

    I have not tried this myself, and it may be overkill, but... Could you
    use Shortcuts to make a custom launcher for your various music apps? eg.
    1) select desired app from a list, 2) set system volume, 3) launch app.

    There is (or was) a Jailbreak tweak app for iOS that lets you set
    different volumes for different apps. It’s called “Volume Panel” <https://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/06/05/volumepanel/>. This tweak is
    over six years old, not sure if it still works or if Apple has found a
    way to disable it. None of my iPhones is jailbroken so I can't try it.

    In Android, there’s an app, similar to the iOS "Volume Panel" tweak,
    that allows you to set a different volume for each app. <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.spycorp.appvolumecontrol>. The average for reviews is only 2.6 but reading the reviews the low
    ratings are because some users expect it to do thing which it isn’t
    designed to do, such as lower the volume when ads are playing.

    For whatever reason, Apple has also never wanted to allow individual
    volume settings for different things (ring, notifications, media). It's something that lots of iPhone users have been requesting for more than a decade, often from former Android users that cannot believe that
    something that they depended on on their Android devices is not
    available on iPhone (there is (or was) a jailbreak tweak for this
    capability as well). See 11a on page 29 of the document.

    I added this to the document as 209a on page 101.

    ---------------------------------------•-----------------------------------------
    ✓ 46 iOS & iPhone Features Which [many] Android Users Wish they Had ✓
    ✓ 209 Android & Android Phone Features Which [many] iOS Users Wish
    they Had ✓
    <https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>
    ✓ 103 Pages of Extensively Referenced Information with Hundreds of Citations ✓ ---------------------------------------•-----------------------------------------

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Fri Jan 27 15:29:48 2023
    On 2023-01-27, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-27 09:39, nospam wrote:
    correct, as well as tech support. apple targets the masses, not every
    possible edge case.

    Billion+ iPhone users.

    Large proportion use them to listen to music, podcasts, websites, news services, etc.

    Doesn't sound very "edge case" to me.

    It does to me. All of those billion+ currently listen to music,
    podcasts, websites, news services, etc without needing to set a custom
    volume for each app. I know because I'm one of them. ; )

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Fri Jan 27 11:02:20 2023
    In article <tr0qvj$1of76$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    For whatever reason, Apple has also never wanted to allow individual
    volume settings for different things (ring, notifications, media).

    except that they did. those *do* have different volumes, and apps can
    control it even further on a per-app basis, as is commonly found in
    games, where there can even be control for background music separate
    from game sounds within the game, entirely independent of other apps,
    such as a music player.

    It's
    something that lots of iPhone users have been requesting for more than a decade,

    no they haven't. that's nothing more than yet another one of your
    baseless unsubstantiated claims.

    often from former Android users that cannot believe that
    something that they depended on on their Android devices is not

    rubbish. nobody 'depended on' such a feature, and it't not part of
    android either, but instead available with a third party app.

    it also wouldn't work properly because the loudness of individual
    songs, podcasts, etc, is outside of the control of both apple and app developers.

    for example, someone could match two different app volumes and then
    encounter a louder song or podcast and be surprised. further, the
    interface to control the master volume of every single app would be a
    confusing mess. not only that, but apps could completely ignore the
    system setting and set their own volume.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Fri Jan 27 16:21:41 2023
    On 27/01/2023 15:29, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-01-27, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-27 09:39, nospam wrote:
    correct, as well as tech support. apple targets the masses, not every
    possible edge case.

    Billion+ iPhone users.

    Large proportion use them to listen to music, podcasts, websites, news
    services, etc.

    Doesn't sound very "edge case" to me.

    It does to me. All of those billion+ currently listen to music,
    podcasts, websites, news services, etc without needing to set a custom
    volume for each app. I know because I'm one of them. ; )

    Classic confirmation bias...

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Jan 27 16:21:03 2023
    On 27/01/2023 14:39, nospam wrote:
    In article <k3i5avFod2nU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:


    To be fair, iOS would certainly need to be changed to provide a user
    interface for allowing users to specify custom volume levels for each
    app, as well as changes to the system to actually set the volume
    whenever a given app is in use.

    which would be a ui disaster and confuse nearly everyone, especially if something is changed in error.

    You make it sound as if the settings app is paean of UI perfection. It
    isn't. It's already horribly bloated.

    I can see it being easily implemented as another toggle/over-ride in
    each app's settings. Just like notifications.

    Like i said, I'm willing to bet there just isn't enough actual demand for
    this functionality as a large percentage of total users to justify the
    changes and added complexity.

    I'd bet very few (i.e. <5%) of all use cases affect any sizeable
    percentage of the total users. The Settings app is so complicated that
    only the tech savvy fiddle around in there.

    correct, as well as tech support. apple targets the masses, not every possible edge case.

    Not really an edge case if they already cater for it in their own Music
    app, is it?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 27 12:02:22 2023
    In article <tr0tlf$1oq4p$2@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    To be fair, iOS would certainly need to be changed to provide a user
    interface for allowing users to specify custom volume levels for each
    app, as well as changes to the system to actually set the volume
    whenever a given app is in use.

    which would be a ui disaster and confuse nearly everyone, especially if something is changed in error.

    You make it sound as if the settings app is paean of UI perfection. It
    isn't. It's already horribly bloated.

    true, and what you are asking would make it more so.

    originally, apple envisioned the settings app to include preferences
    for each individual app (which is very easy to implement, with almost
    no code), versus a preferences view in each app. it turned out that
    users did not embrace that concept. they expect app preferences to be
    in the app itself rather than switch to settings.

    what's worse is that some apps put certain preferences in the settings
    app and others in the app.

    I can see it being easily implemented as another toggle/over-ride in
    each app's settings. Just like notifications.

    it could, except that adds more confusion and bloat because now there's
    two ways to set the volume of a given app, plus tech support for when
    it doesn't work the way people expect.

    further, an app is not required to use the system volume setting, so
    such a feature wouldn't actually work across all apps.

    Like i said, I'm willing to bet there just isn't enough actual demand for >> this functionality as a large percentage of total users to justify the
    changes and added complexity.

    I'd bet very few (i.e. <5%) of all use cases affect any sizeable
    percentage of the total users.

    you would lose that bet.

    The Settings app is so complicated that
    only the tech savvy fiddle around in there.

    actually, even the tech savvy try to avoid it.

    correct, as well as tech support. apple targets the masses, not every possible edge case.

    Not really an edge case if they already cater for it in their own Music
    app, is it?

    sound check in the music app is because different songs often have
    different volumes.

    what you're really wanting is global sound check across different apps,
    which is very different than manually setting a master volume for each
    app, which as i said, is a ui disaster and very much an edge case, even
    if it could work (which it can't).

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Chris on Fri Jan 27 16:57:35 2023
    On 2023-01-27, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 27/01/2023 15:29, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-01-27, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-27 09:39, nospam wrote:
    correct, as well as tech support. apple targets the masses, not
    every possible edge case.

    Billion+ iPhone users.

    Large proportion use them to listen to music, podcasts, websites,
    news services, etc.

    Doesn't sound very "edge case" to me.

    It does to me. All of those billion+ currently listen to music,
    podcasts, websites, news services, etc without needing to set a
    custom volume for each app. I know because I'm one of them. ; )

    Classic confirmation bias...

    Right back at you. Put up or shut up.

    --
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    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Jan 27 12:01:51 2023
    nospam wrote:
    In article <tr0qvj$1of76$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    For whatever reason, Apple has also never wanted to allow individual
    volume settings for different things (ring, notifications, media).

    except that they did. those *do* have different volumes, and apps can
    control it even further on a per-app basis, as is commonly found in
    games, where there can even be control for background music separate
    from game sounds within the game, entirely independent of other apps,
    such as a music player.

    It's
    something that lots of iPhone users have been requesting for more than a
    decade,

    no they haven't. that's nothing more than yet another one of your
    baseless unsubstantiated claims.

    often from former Android users that cannot believe that
    something that they depended on on their Android devices is not

    rubbish. nobody 'depended on' such a feature, and it't not part of
    android either, but instead available with a third party app.

    it also wouldn't work properly because the loudness of individual
    songs, podcasts, etc, is outside of the control of both apple and app developers.

    for example, someone could match two different app volumes and then
    encounter a louder song or podcast and be surprised. further, the
    interface to control the master volume of every single app would be a confusing mess. not only that, but apps could completely ignore the
    system setting and set their own volume.


    Right. Not needed, and nobody wants it.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Chris Schram on Fri Jan 27 12:34:33 2023
    On 1/27/2023 12:31 AM, Chris Schram wrote:
    On 2023-01-27, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <tqupac$1bdfk$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    The issue isn't jumping
    between different types of music. It's swapping between apps.

    each app has control over the volume of any sound it produces and has
    no way to know how loud or soft an entirely different app will be. this
    is not specific to ios either.

    Yes but *I* know that my preferred volume for BBC is let's say a "9" and
    for Music is a "7". It wouldn't be hard to have a preset that matches *my* >> expectation. iOS doesn't need to do anything itself.

    I have not tried this myself, and it may be overkill, but... Could you
    use Shortcuts to make a custom launcher for your various music apps? eg.
    1) select desired app from a list, 2) set system volume, 3) launch app.

    I could not figure out how to adjust the volume as a step prior to
    launching an app with a shortcut. Maybe it's possible with some of the
    custom launchers on the App store.

    Per app volume settings would be a nice feature to have. When I have
    multiple apps running, like a navigation app and a music app, it would
    be very useful. There's no jailbreak for iOS 16.x for newer iPhone
    devices so the Volume Panel Tweak is not available.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Fri Jan 27 15:54:57 2023
    In article <tr1cgq$1r76q$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    I could not figure out how to adjust the volume as a step prior to
    launching an app with a shortcut.

    there's a lot you can't figure out how to do on ios, and in every case,
    you assume apple prohibits it, when the reality is it's often trivial
    to do.

    it's literally set volume, open app.

    Maybe it's possible with some of the
    custom launchers on the App store.

    maybe you're trolling, again.

    Per app volume settings would be a nice feature to have. When I have
    multiple apps running, like a navigation app and a music app, it would
    be very useful.

    each app has full control over its own volume.

    if the apps you're using don't offer the ability to change volume, then
    seek another that does.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Fri Jan 27 16:20:56 2023
    On 2023-01-27 10:29, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-01-27, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-27 09:39, nospam wrote:
    correct, as well as tech support. apple targets the masses, not every
    possible edge case.

    Billion+ iPhone users.

    Large proportion use them to listen to music, podcasts, websites, news
    services, etc.

    Doesn't sound very "edge case" to me.

    It does to me. All of those billion+ currently listen to music,
    podcasts, websites, news services, etc without needing to set a custom
    volume for each app. I know because I'm one of them. ; )

    Samples of one don't go very far...

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to sms on Fri Jan 27 21:11:24 2023
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    On 1/27/2023 12:31 AM, Chris Schram wrote:
    On 2023-01-27, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <tqupac$1bdfk$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> >>>> wrote:

    The issue isn't jumping
    between different types of music. It's swapping between apps.

    each app has control over the volume of any sound it produces and has
    no way to know how loud or soft an entirely different app will be. this >>>> is not specific to ios either.

    Yes but *I* know that my preferred volume for BBC is let's say a "9" and >>> for Music is a "7". It wouldn't be hard to have a preset that matches *my* >>> expectation. iOS doesn't need to do anything itself.

    I have not tried this myself, and it may be overkill, but... Could you
    use Shortcuts to make a custom launcher for your various music apps? eg.
    1) select desired app from a list, 2) set system volume, 3) launch app.

    I could not figure out how to adjust the volume as a step prior to
    launching an app with a shortcut. Maybe it's possible with some of the
    custom launchers on the App store.

    Just done it. There's a Set Volume action and the next step is Open App.
    Easy.

    BBC set at 85% and Music set at 70%. Also set the BBC to back tap.

    Many thanks to my namesake.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 27 16:28:54 2023
    In article <tr1eno$1rokc$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    sound check in the music app is because different songs often have different volumes.

    Well duh. Which is exactly what I'm talking about.

    no, what you're talking about is different volumes for both different
    songs or other content *and* different apps.

    it's easy to control the volume within one app, not so much when it's
    more than one.

    what you're really wanting is global sound check across different apps,

    That's explicitly *not* what I want.

    how is it not? you said one app was louder than the other and you
    wanted to match it. that's what sound check does, match volumes, just
    within an app. a global sound check would do it for all apps, but has
    far too many issues to be practical.

    which is very different than manually setting a master volume for each
    app, which as i said, is a ui disaster and very much an edge case, even
    if it could work (which it can't).

    It obviously could work.

    actually, it couldn't for reasons that have already been explained.

    It's a simple shortcut even I could create, which
    I have thanks to Chris's suggestion.

    the shortcut idea is excellent. problem solved.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Jan 27 16:21:45 2023
    On 2023-01-27 10:11, nospam wrote:
    In article <OsRAL.329663$Tcw8.93458@fx10.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    Billion+ iPhone users.

    Large proportion use them to listen to music, podcasts, websites, news
    services, etc.

    yep, and they do that without any issues.

    Doesn't sound very "edge case" to me.

    the edge case is being able to set the volume of each individual app.

    the user interface alone to do that is going to be a huge mess.

    as has been said before, apps control the volume of the sounds they
    produce.

    Regurgitating the present case doesn't contribute to a possible better case.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Chris on Fri Jan 27 18:37:32 2023
    On 2023-01-26 12:13, Chris wrote:

    I listen to either voice-based programs via BBC Sounds or Apple music, but the BBC programs tend to be relatively quiet. Is there a way to get
    app-based volume levelling to stop my ears being blasted when listening to Music after a BBC podcast?

    I asked an expert for you!
    <begin>

    Yes, there are a few ways to prevent your ears from being blasted when switching between different audio sources, such as a BBC podcast and
    music on Apple Music.

    One solution is to use a volume leveling app, which can automatically
    adjust the volume of different audio sources to a consistent level. Some
    apps that can do this are "Equalizer +" and "Volume Leveler". These apps
    can be downloaded from the app store on your mobile device and you can
    set your desired volume level for different apps.

    Another solution is to use a built-in feature of your device called
    "Sound Check" on Apple devices or "Loudness Normalization" on Android
    devices. This feature automatically adjusts the volume of different
    audio sources to a consistent level. You can turn this feature on by
    going to your device's settings, selecting "Music" (or "Sounds and
    Vibration" on some Android devices), and enabling the "Sound Check" or "Loudness Normalization" option.

    Lastly, you can also adjust the volume of your device manually before
    switching between different audio sources.

    Please be aware that if you are using headphones, some of them have
    built-in volume limiter that can be adjusted.

    Please note that the above-mentioned options may vary depending on the
    device you are using, but generally, all smartphones have this feature.

    <end>

    (Answer courtesy of ChatGPT).
    (Sorry - I couldn't resist).

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Jan 27 21:12:24 2023
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <tr0tlf$1oq4p$2@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:


    Not really an edge case if they already cater for it in their own Music
    app, is it?

    sound check in the music app is because different songs often have
    different volumes.

    Well duh. Which is exactly what I'm talking about.

    what you're really wanting is global sound check across different apps,

    That's explicitly *not* what I want.

    which is very different than manually setting a master volume for each
    app, which as i said, is a ui disaster and very much an edge case, even
    if it could work (which it can't).

    It obviously could work. It's a simple shortcut even I could create, which
    I have thanks to Chris's suggestion.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sat Jan 28 12:15:50 2023
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-26 12:13, Chris wrote:

    I listen to either voice-based programs via BBC Sounds or Apple music, but >> the BBC programs tend to be relatively quiet. Is there a way to get
    app-based volume levelling to stop my ears being blasted when listening to >> Music after a BBC podcast?

    I asked an expert for you!
    <begin>

    Yes, there are a few ways to prevent your ears from being blasted when switching between different audio sources, such as a BBC podcast and
    music on Apple Music.

    One solution is to use a volume leveling app, which can automatically
    adjust the volume of different audio sources to a consistent level. Some
    apps that can do this are "Equalizer +" and "Volume Leveler". These apps
    can be downloaded from the app store on your mobile device and you can
    set your desired volume level for different apps.

    Another solution is to use a built-in feature of your device called
    "Sound Check" on Apple devices or "Loudness Normalization" on Android devices. This feature automatically adjusts the volume of different
    audio sources to a consistent level. You can turn this feature on by
    going to your device's settings, selecting "Music" (or "Sounds and
    Vibration" on some Android devices), and enabling the "Sound Check" or "Loudness Normalization" option.

    Lastly, you can also adjust the volume of your device manually before switching between different audio sources.

    Please be aware that if you are using headphones, some of them have
    built-in volume limiter that can be adjusted.

    Please note that the above-mentioned options may vary depending on the
    device you are using, but generally, all smartphones have this feature.

    <end>

    (Answer courtesy of ChatGPT).
    (Sorry - I couldn't resist).

    Cool! Thanks to you and ChatGPT.

    Maybe we should turn all of usenet into an AI bot. Much more succinct.
    Could probably train a bot to replicate trolls as well.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Chris on Sat Jan 28 10:33:44 2023
    On 2023-01-28 07:15, Chris wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-26 12:13, Chris wrote:

    I listen to either voice-based programs via BBC Sounds or Apple music, but >>> the BBC programs tend to be relatively quiet. Is there a way to get
    app-based volume levelling to stop my ears being blasted when listening to >>> Music after a BBC podcast?

    I asked an expert for you!
    <begin>
    Yes, there are a few <s>
    <end>

    (Answer courtesy of ChatGPT).
    (Sorry - I couldn't resist).

    Cool! Thanks to you and ChatGPT.

    Just an experiment - I didn't fact check the results.

    Maybe we should turn all of usenet into an AI bot. Much more succinct.

    ChatGPT is quite polite and annoyingly complete in its answers.

    Could probably train a bot to replicate trolls as well.

    Too many in circulation - but an AI bot to engage them, feed them and
    lure them away would be useful.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sat Jan 28 18:55:43 2023
    On 2023-01-27, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-27 10:29, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-01-27, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-27 09:39, nospam wrote:
    correct, as well as tech support. apple targets the masses, not
    every possible edge case.

    Billion+ iPhone users.

    Large proportion use them to listen to music, podcasts, websites,
    news services, etc.

    Doesn't sound very "edge case" to me.

    It does to me. All of those billion+ currently listen to music,
    podcasts, websites, news services, etc without needing to set a
    custom volume for each app. I know because I'm one of them. ; )

    Samples of one don't go very far...

    That applies to you as well. Ho hum.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat Jan 28 18:54:37 2023
    On 2023-01-28 13:55, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-01-27, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-27 10:29, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-01-27, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-27 09:39, nospam wrote:
    correct, as well as tech support. apple targets the masses, not
    every possible edge case.

    Billion+ iPhone users.

    Large proportion use them to listen to music, podcasts, websites,
    news services, etc.

    Doesn't sound very "edge case" to me.

    It does to me. All of those billion+ currently listen to music,
    podcasts, websites, news services, etc without needing to set a
    custom volume for each app. I know because I'm one of them. ; )

    Samples of one don't go very far...

    That applies to you as well. Ho hum.

    You can't compare your "I'm one of them" to the rest of them. And you
    know it.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Jan 29 00:46:39 2023
    On 2023-01-28, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-28 13:55, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-01-27, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-27 10:29, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-01-27, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-27 09:39, nospam wrote:

    correct, as well as tech support. apple targets the masses, not
    every possible edge case.

    Billion+ iPhone users.

    Large proportion use them to listen to music, podcasts, websites,
    news services, etc.

    Doesn't sound very "edge case" to me.

    It does to me. All of those billion+ currently listen to music,
    podcasts, websites, news services, etc without needing to set a
    custom volume for each app. I know because I'm one of them. ; )

    Samples of one don't go very far...

    That applies to you as well. Ho hum.

    You can't compare your "I'm one of them" to the rest of them. And you
    know it.

    You can't claim Billion+ iPhone users want per-application volume
    controls, and you know it. You made that claim. As I said, right back at
    you.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Jan 27 15:28:00 2023
    nospam wrote:

    Large proportion use them to listen to music, podcasts, websites, news
    services, etc.

    yep, and they do that without any issues.

    Curiously...

    Given Android has plenty of functionality in the arena that the OP is
    asking for, the question is why doesn't Apple allow that functionality?


    Doesn't sound very "edge case" to me.

    the edge case is being able to set the volume of each individual app.

    the user interface alone to do that is going to be a huge mess.

    Curiously...

    Why then are Android developers writing apps that aren't a huge mess?

    as has been said before, apps control the volume of the sounds they
    produce.

    Curiously...

    The question is why doesn't Apple allow what Google allows developers to do
    in terms of writing apps that easily control the volume of individual apps?

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  • From Thomas@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat Jan 28 21:48:52 2023
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 6:46:39 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

    You can't compare your "I'm one of them" to the rest of them. And you
    know it.

    You can't claim Billion+ iPhone users want per-application volume
    controls, and you know it. You made that claim. As I said, right back at
    you.

    One way to look at "demand" is to see what's out there in the app stores
    for functionality that isn't native on the device itself by default.

    If it's not native on the phone and if it's also not in the Apple app store
    but it is in the Google app store then demand is definitely there for sure.

    Only if it's in neither the device nor in both app stores would low demand
    be indicated.

    Anything else is not a sensible conclusion.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Thomas on Sun Jan 29 05:04:56 2023
    On 2023-01-29, Thomas <canope234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 6:46:39 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

    You can't compare your "I'm one of them" to the rest of them. And
    you know it.

    You can't claim Billion+ iPhone users want per-application volume
    controls, and you know it. You made that claim. As I said, right back
    at you.

    One way to look at "demand" is to see what's out there in the app
    stores for functionality that isn't native on the device itself by
    default.

    That still doesn't tell you the number of customers who want such a
    feature compared to the total number of users. As far as you know, only
    a tiny percentage actually want it.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sun Jan 29 09:30:11 2023
    On 2023-01-29 00:04, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-01-29, Thomas <canope234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 6:46:39 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

    You can't compare your "I'm one of them" to the rest of them. And
    you know it.

    You can't claim Billion+ iPhone users want per-application volume
    controls, and you know it. You made that claim. As I said, right back
    at you.

    One way to look at "demand" is to see what's out there in the app
    stores for functionality that isn't native on the device itself by
    default.

    That still doesn't tell you the number of customers who want such a
    feature compared to the total number of users. As far as you know, only
    a tiny percentage actually want it.

    Nobody knows what the percentage is. But it's likely not tiny.


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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sun Jan 29 09:17:46 2023
    On 2023-01-28 19:46, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-01-28, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-28 13:55, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-01-27, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-27 10:29, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-01-27, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-27 09:39, nospam wrote:

    correct, as well as tech support. apple targets the masses, not
    every possible edge case.

    Billion+ iPhone users.

    Large proportion use them to listen to music, podcasts, websites,
    news services, etc.

    Doesn't sound very "edge case" to me.

    It does to me. All of those billion+ currently listen to music,
    podcasts, websites, news services, etc without needing to set a
    custom volume for each app. I know because I'm one of them. ; )

    Samples of one don't go very far...

    That applies to you as well. Ho hum.

    You can't compare your "I'm one of them" to the rest of them. And you
    know it.

    You can't claim Billion+ iPhone users want per-application volume
    controls, and you know it. You made that claim. As I said, right back at
    you.

    Never claimed all of them. But it is certainly more than 1 by a lot.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to bitbucket@blackhole.com on Sun Jan 29 09:57:41 2023
    In article <TpvBL.523635$vBI8.43207@fx15.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    That still doesn't tell you the number of customers who want such a
    feature compared to the total number of users. As far as you know, only
    a tiny percentage actually want it.

    Nobody knows what the percentage is.

    apple does

    But it's likely not tiny.

    yes it is.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Jan 29 16:14:24 2023
    On 2023-01-29, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-28 19:46, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-01-28, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-28 13:55, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-01-27, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-27 10:29, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-01-27, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-27 09:39, nospam wrote:

    correct, as well as tech support. apple targets the masses, not >>>>>>>> every possible edge case.

    Billion+ iPhone users.

    Large proportion use them to listen to music, podcasts, websites, >>>>>>> news services, etc.

    Doesn't sound very "edge case" to me.

    It does to me. All of those billion+ currently listen to music,
    podcasts, websites, news services, etc without needing to set a
    custom volume for each app. I know because I'm one of them. ; )

    Samples of one don't go very far...

    That applies to you as well. Ho hum.

    You can't compare your "I'm one of them" to the rest of them. And you
    know it.

    You can't claim Billion+ iPhone users want per-application volume
    controls, and you know it. You made that claim. As I said, right back at
    you.

    Never claimed all of them. But it is certainly more than 1 by a lot.

    *YAWN* Are we done here?

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    JR

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Jan 29 16:13:58 2023
    On 2023-01-29, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-29 00:04, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-01-29, Thomas <canope234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 6:46:39 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

    You can't compare your "I'm one of them" to the rest of them. And
    you know it.

    You can't claim Billion+ iPhone users want per-application volume
    controls, and you know it. You made that claim. As I said, right
    back at you.

    One way to look at "demand" is to see what's out there in the app
    stores for functionality that isn't native on the device itself by
    default.

    That still doesn't tell you the number of customers who want such a
    feature compared to the total number of users. As far as you know,
    only a tiny percentage actually want it.

    Nobody knows what the percentage is. But it's likely not tiny.

    As nospam points out, Apple knows better than you or anyone else.

    --
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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Jan 29 11:17:45 2023
    On 2023-01-29 09:57, nospam wrote:
    In article <TpvBL.523635$vBI8.43207@fx15.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    That still doesn't tell you the number of customers who want such a
    feature compared to the total number of users. As far as you know, only
    a tiny percentage actually want it.

    Nobody knows what the percentage is.

    apple does

    Only if they look at it. There is no indication that they have.


    But it's likely not tiny.

    yes it is.

    You have 0 knowledge about that.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sun Jan 29 11:18:27 2023
    On 2023-01-29 11:14, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-01-29, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-28 19:46, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-01-28, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-28 13:55, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-01-27, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-27 10:29, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-01-27, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-01-27 09:39, nospam wrote:

    correct, as well as tech support. apple targets the masses, not >>>>>>>>> every possible edge case.

    Billion+ iPhone users.

    Large proportion use them to listen to music, podcasts, websites, >>>>>>>> news services, etc.

    Doesn't sound very "edge case" to me.

    It does to me. All of those billion+ currently listen to music,
    podcasts, websites, news services, etc without needing to set a
    custom volume for each app. I know because I'm one of them. ; )

    Samples of one don't go very far...

    That applies to you as well. Ho hum.

    You can't compare your "I'm one of them" to the rest of them. And you >>>> know it.

    You can't claim Billion+ iPhone users want per-application volume
    controls, and you know it. You made that claim. As I said, right back at >>> you.

    Never claimed all of them. But it is certainly more than 1 by a lot.

    *YAWN* Are we done here?

    I'm done indeed. We've attained cluster.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to canope234@gmail.com on Sun Jan 29 13:08:04 2023
    In article <tr6bdc$hk6r$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Thomas
    <canope234@gmail.com> wrote:


    Which is exactly why Apple locks a lot of choices out of the App Store.

    they don't, and in this case, no apps are needed on ios (or mac os).

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  • From Thomas@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Jan 29 09:44:36 2023
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 11:17:45 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

    Nobody knows what the percentage is.

    apple does

    Only if they look at it. There is no indication that they have.

    It's not sensible to say the lack of any app choice is due to the lack of demand if it's just as likely due to Apple locking it out of the App Store.

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  • From Thomas@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sun Jan 29 09:46:34 2023
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 8:13:58 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:

    Nobody knows what the percentage is. But it's likely not tiny.

    As nospam points out, Apple knows better than you or anyone else.

    Which is exactly why Apple locks a lot of choices out of the App Store.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to bitbucket@blackhole.com on Sun Jan 29 13:08:05 2023
    In article <J_wBL.60772$Sgyc.15630@fx40.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:


    Nobody knows what the percentage is.

    apple does

    Only if they look at it. There is no indication that they have.

    apple looks at everything and prioritizes it all. it would be foolish
    not to.

    they also have a *lot* more information than any end user could
    possibly have or hope to get.

    But it's likely not tiny.

    yes it is.

    You have 0 knowledge about that.

    that would be you.

    explain why ios, android, mac os, windows and linux do not include a
    system preference that independently can adjust the volume of
    individual apps on a per-app basis.

    if this feature is in such high demand as you claim, or even moderate
    demand, why hasn't even one of those oses bothered?

    part of the reason is that the user interface to do it that way would
    be a confusing mess, plus it wouldn't be guaranteed to work since app developers could override it, which would result in more tech support
    calls.

    an example of how bad it would be can already be seen in ios settings,
    where there's a long list of apps that has some (but not all) of the
    app's preferences. adding another would only make it worse.

    that said, what you and chris are asking for can be done in various
    ways, depending on the os.

    both ios and mac os include the ability without needing additional
    apps, either via shortcuts on both and additionally for mac os, via
    applescript or unix scripts. android is more limited and requires a
    third party app.

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  • From Thomas@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Jan 29 10:32:15 2023
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 10:08:05 AM, nospam wrote:

    explain why ios, android, mac os, windows and linux do not include a
    system preference that independently can adjust the volume of
    individual apps on a per-app basis.

    if this feature is in such high demand as you claim, or even moderate
    demand, why hasn't even one of those oses bothered?

    The apps exist on Android so the sensible question is why not on iOS?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to canope234@gmail.com on Sun Jan 29 13:46:36 2023
    In article <tr6e31$ht70$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Thomas
    <canope234@gmail.com> wrote:

    The apps exist on Android so the sensible question is why not on iOS?

    because they're not needed on ios (or mac os). do try to keep up.

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  • From Thomas@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Jan 29 10:33:57 2023
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 10:08:04 AM, nospam wrote:

    Which is exactly why Apple locks a lot of choices out of the App Store.

    they don't, and in this case, no apps are needed on ios (or mac os).

    How can you say Apple doesn't lock plenty of apps out of the app store?

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Thomas on Sun Jan 29 18:53:25 2023
    On 2023-01-29, Thomas <canope234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 8:13:58 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:

    Nobody knows what the percentage is. But it's likely not tiny.

    As nospam points out, Apple knows better than you or anyone else.

    Which is exactly why Apple locks a lot of choices out of the App Store.

    Nice red herring.

    Anyway...

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  • From Thomas@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Jan 29 12:44:01 2023
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 12:46:37 PM, nospam wrote:

    Which is exactly why Apple locks a lot of choices out of the App Store. >>>
    they don't, and in this case, no apps are needed on ios (or mac os).

    How can you say Apple doesn't lock plenty of apps out of the app store?

    because as an app developer, i have direct experience with what they
    actually do (plus knowing many other developers who have similar experiences), not what you think they might do.

    Since it's clear you don't realize Apple locks plenty of apps out whenever Apple thinks those apps give their users a choice Apple doesn't want their users to have, then you being the world's best developer is meaningless.

    For you to say an app not existing on the Apple app store means low demand
    is not sensible since Apple locks plenty of apps out of their app store.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Jan 29 17:18:34 2023
    On 2023-01-29 13:08, nospam wrote:
    In article <J_wBL.60772$Sgyc.15630@fx40.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:


    Nobody knows what the percentage is.

    apple does

    Only if they look at it. There is no indication that they have.

    apple looks at everything and prioritizes it all. it would be foolish
    not to.

    they also have a *lot* more information than any end user could
    possibly have or hope to get.

    But it's likely not tiny.

    yes it is.

    You have 0 knowledge about that.

    that would be you.

    explain why ios, android, mac os, windows and linux do not includ


    Bloviation (of the classic nospam kind) snipped.

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    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
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    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to bitbucket@blackhole.com on Sun Jan 29 17:40:35 2023
    In article <_gCBL.99656$Ldj8.6399@fx47.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:


    Bloviation (of the classic nospam kind) snipped.

    ad hominem of the classic alan browne kind.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Jan 29 18:46:30 2023
    On 2023-01-29 17:40, nospam wrote:
    In article <_gCBL.99656$Ldj8.6399@fx47.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:


    Bloviation (of the classic nospam kind) snipped.

    ad hominem of the classic alan browne kind.

    ROFL - I'm very mild compared to most of the Apple Populist Defense League.

    --
    “Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.”
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    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Thomas on Mon Jan 30 01:08:58 2023
    On 2023-01-29, Thomas <canope234@gmail.com> wrote:

    For you to say an app not existing on the Apple app store means low
    demand

    He didn't say that, and several people in this thread have specified it
    would be preferable if this were an OS-level feature.

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