Yes, the Galaxy S23 is slowly trickling out to the masses, and, as Esper's senior technical editor Mishaal Rahman highlights in a storage space
survey, Samsung's new phone is way out of line with most of the ecosystem. Several users report the phone uses around 60GB for the system partition right out of the box. If you have a 128GB phone, that's nearly half your storage for the Android OS and packed-in apps.
In article <trsh10$3dnjf$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, the Galaxy S23 is slowly trickling out to the masses, and, as Esper's >> senior technical editor Mishaal Rahman highlights in a storage space
survey, Samsung's new phone is way out of line with most of the ecosystem. >> Several users report the phone uses around 60GB for the system partition
right out of the box. If you have a 128GB phone, that's nearly half your
storage for the Android OS and packed-in apps.
that's definitely a feature that android has and ios does not.
In article <trsh10$3dnjf$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, the Galaxy S23 is slowly trickling out to the masses, and, as Esper's >> senior technical editor Mishaal Rahman highlights in a storage space
survey, Samsung's new phone is way out of line with most of the ecosystem. >> Several users report the phone uses around 60GB for the system partition
right out of the box. If you have a 128GB phone, that's nearly half your
storage for the Android OS and packed-in apps.
that's definitely a feature that android has and ios does not.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
that's definitely a feature that android has and ios does not.
Just to be clear, the article states it is Samsung with this major amount
of bloatware. Pure Android on Pixel phones is around 15 GB not counting the A/B partitioning.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <trsh10$3dnjf$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, the Galaxy S23 is slowly trickling out to the masses, and, as Esper's >>> senior technical editor Mishaal Rahman highlights in a storage space
survey, Samsung's new phone is way out of line with most of the ecosystem. >>> Several users report the phone uses around 60GB for the system partition >>> right out of the box. If you have a 128GB phone, that's nearly half your >>> storage for the Android OS and packed-in apps.
that's definitely a feature that android has and ios does not.
Just to be clear, the article states it is Samsung with this major amount
of bloatware. Pure Android on Pixel phones is around 15 GB not counting the A/B partitioning.
Am 07.02.23 um 15:41 schrieb badgolferman:
Just to be clear, the article states it is Samsung with this major amount
of bloatware. Pure Android on Pixel phones is around 15 GB not counting the >> A/B partitioning.
What I can confirm is that the Pixel 7 has a system size of 15 GB which
is already unbelievably bloated. My iPhone 14 weighs a mere 9.47 GB.
Several users report the phone uses around 60GB for the system partition right out of the box.
If you have a 128GB phone, that's nearly half your storage for the Android
OS and packed-in apps. That's four times the size of the normal Pixel 7 Pro system partition, which is 15GB.
It's the size of two Windows 11 installs, side by side.
What could Samsung possibly be putting in there?!
If you have a 128GB phone, that's nearly half your
storage for the Android OS and packed-in apps.
Unlike the clean OSes you'd get from Google or Apple, Samsung sells space
in its devices to the highest bidder via pre-installed crapware.
Another round of crapware will also be included if you buy a phone from a carrier, i.e., all the Verizon apps and whatever space they want to sell to third parties.
Samsung isn't even using one of the big, storage-hungry Android features
that you would normally get on Pixel 7: A/B system partitions. The Pixel 7 (and most other flagships) can actually have two copies of the operating system, one that is online and being used, and another that is offline and sitting in the background.
that's definitely a feature that android has and ios does not.
Just to be clear, the article states it is Samsung with this major amount
of bloatware. Pure Android on Pixel phones is around 15 GB not counting the A/B partitioning.
Yes, the Galaxy S23 is slowly trickling out to the masses, and, as Esper's >> senior technical editor Mishaal Rahman highlights in a storage space
survey, Samsung's new phone is way out of line with most of the ecosystem. >> Several users report the phone uses around 60GB for the system partition >> right out of the box. If you have a 128GB phone, that's nearly half your >> storage for the Android OS and packed-in apps.
that's definitely a feature that android has and ios does not.
Just to be clear, the article states it is Samsung with this major amount
of bloatware. Pure Android on Pixel phones is around 15 GB not counting the A/B partitioning.
Yes, the Galaxy S23 is slowly trickling out to the masses, and, as Esper's senior technical editor Mishaal Rahman highlights in a storage space
survey, Samsung's new phone is way out of line with most of the ecosystem. Several users report the phone uses around 60GB for the system partition right out of the box. If you have a 128GB phone, that's nearly half your storage for the Android OS and packed-in apps. That's four times the size
of the normal Pixel 7 Pro system partition, which is 15GB. It's the size of two Windows 11 installs, side by side. What could Samsung possibly be
putting in there?!
"badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com>" wrote in message <news:trtnui$3pc0o$1@dont-email.me>...
that's definitely a feature that android has and ios does not.
Just to be clear, the article states it is Samsung with this major amount
of bloatware. Pure Android on Pixel phones is around 15 GB not counting the >> A/B partitioning.
And it's not all Samsungs either that have that much bloatware.
But all phones have bloatware.
Even Google pays Apple for space on the iPhone.
It's usually not something to worry about on Android though.
There will inevitably be scripts to remove most of the bloatware with adb. There's not out there yet, but other Samsungs have these non-root scripts.
https://www.xda-developers.com/how-to-remove-bloatware-samsung-galaxy-s22/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Galaxy_S20/comments/ixo7kz/simple_windows_script_to_remove_common_bloatware/
https://technastic.com/remove-samsung-bloatware-safe-to-remove-apps/ https://www.droidwin.com/debloat-remove-bloatware-from-samsung-devices-via-adb/
https://www.androidinfotech.com/disable-samsung-knox-bloatware-apps/
A typical scenario is the Samsung owner connects to Windows and then runs
the script and all the bloatware listed in that script is removed.
How much is removed remains to be seen but it's often almost all of it.
If rooted, it's definitely all of it that can be removed.
On 2/6/2023 7:37 PM, badgolferman wrote:There must be a reason why 85% of all operating profits of the whole
Yes, the Galaxy S23 is slowly trickling out to the masses, and, as Esper's >> senior technical editor Mishaal Rahman highlights in a storage space
survey, Samsung's new phone is way out of line with most of the ecosystem. >> Several users report the phone uses around 60GB for the system partition
right out of the box. If you have a 128GB phone, that's nearly half your
storage for the Android OS and packed-in apps. That's four times the size
of the normal Pixel 7 Pro system partition, which is 15GB. It's the size of >> two Windows 11 installs, side by side. What could Samsung possibly be
putting in there?!
Yes, definitely avoid the 128GB version, not only for that reason but
for other reasons as well <https://www.tomsguide.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s23-hides-a-nasty-storage-secret#>.
I suspect that very few buyers of flagship phones are buying the 128GB
model.
In article <trtnui$3pc0o$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, the Galaxy S23 is slowly trickling out to the masses, and, as Esper's >>>> senior technical editor Mishaal Rahman highlights in a storage space
survey, Samsung's new phone is way out of line with most of the ecosystem. >>>> Several users report the phone uses around 60GB for the system partition >>>> right out of the box. If you have a 128GB phone, that's nearly half your >>>> storage for the Android OS and packed-in apps.
that's definitely a feature that android has and ios does not.
Just to be clear, the article states it is Samsung with this major amount
of bloatware. Pure Android on Pixel phones is around 15 GB not counting the >> A/B partitioning.
just to be clear, that was intended as a joke.
but even 15gb is big.
"badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com>" wrote in message
<news:trtnui$3pc0o$1@dont-email.me>...
that's definitely a feature that android has and ios does not.
Just to be clear, the article states it is Samsung with this major
amount of bloatware. Pure Android on Pixel phones is around 15 GB not
counting the A/B partitioning.
And it's not all Samsungs either that have that much bloatware. But
all phones have bloatware. Even Google pays Apple for space on the
iPhone.
Am 07.02.23 um 05:24 schrieb nospam:
In article <trsh10$3dnjf$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, the Galaxy S23 is slowly trickling out to the masses, and, as Esper's >>> senior technical editor Mishaal Rahman highlights in a storage space
survey, Samsung's new phone is way out of line with most of the ecosystem. >>> Several users report the phone uses around 60GB for the system partition >>> right out of the box. If you have a 128GB phone, that's nearly half your >>> storage for the Android OS and packed-in apps.
that's definitely a feature that android has and ios does not.
One of the major reasons why I hate Google and I think Android is a Kindergarten-OS.
Yes, the Galaxy S23 is slowly trickling out to the masses, and, as Esper's senior technical editor Mishaal Rahman highlights in a storage space
survey, Samsung's new phone is way out of line with most of the ecosystem. Several users report the phone uses around 60GB for the system partition right out of the box. If you have a 128GB phone, that's nearly half your storage for the Android OS and packed-in apps. That's four times the size
of the normal Pixel 7 Pro system partition, which is 15GB. It's the size of two Windows 11 installs, side by side. What could Samsung possibly be
putting in there?!
Even Google pays Apple for space on the iPhone.
I suspect that very few buyers of flagship phones are buying the 128GB
model.
Strange - could be a bad release configuration with lots of unnecessary
or duplicated code and data. I'd be surprised if they don't tidy that up.
A quick search shows that Android is trending to 64b only, but I wonder
if that is complete and if continued support for 32b might be part of
the issue above?
On 07/02/2023 18:6, Alan Browne wrote:
Strange - could be a bad release configuration with lots of unnecessary
or duplicated code and data. I'd be surprised if they don't tidy that up.
The user can tidy that up themselves as adb gives them temporary root. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_SG-8WLw2lEnyuROX1ybClNyEhQPTNHiD7LYQqWcVis/edit#gid=0
Android ARM Cortex-A processors can run both 32-bit code & 64-bit code.
They are designed to switch on the fly between 32-bit code & 64-bit code. Users wouldn't have noticed due to that built-in backward compatibility.
Even Google pays Apple for space on the iPhone.
no they don't.
apple pays google for search, mostly via apple's safari browser. that >doesn't use any space and can also easily be changed to use another
search engine if the user prefers.
there are no pre-installed google apps on ios devices. it's up to the
user to install them, should they choose to do so.
There are plenty of useless iOS apps on my iPhone as well. At least I
was able to uninstall most of them like office apps and iTunes.
In article <trts1b$3q2po$1@dont-email.me>, wasbit
<wasbitREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote:
Even Google pays Apple for space on the iPhone.
no they don't.
apple pays google for search, mostly via apple's safari browser. that
doesn't use any space and can also easily be changed to use another
search engine if the user prefers.
there are no pre-installed google apps on ios devices. it's up to the
user to install them, should they choose to do so.
In article <xn0nxtc868w219a001@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Even Google pays Apple for space on the iPhone.
no they don't.
apple pays google for search, mostly via apple's safari browser.
that doesn't use any space and can also easily be changed to use
another search engine if the user prefers.
there are no pre-installed google apps on ios devices. it's up to
the user to install them, should they choose to do so.
There are plenty of useless iOS apps on my iPhone as well. At least
I was able to uninstall most of them like office apps and iTunes.
the claim was 'google pays apple for space'. they do not.
every os includes a set of apps. nobody uses all of them but everyone
uses some of them.
that's also very different than what samsung does, which adds its own
set of apps that mostly duplicate what stock android has.
There are plenty of useless iOS apps on my iPhone as well. At least I
was able to uninstall most of them like office apps and iTunes.
the claim was 'google pays apple for space'. they do not.
On 2/8/2023 4:44 AM, badgolferman wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article <trts1b$3q2po$1@dont-email.me>, wasbit >>><wasbitREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote:
Even Google pays Apple for space on the iPhone.
no they don't.
apple pays google for search, mostly via apple's safari browser.
that doesn't use any space and can also easily be changed to use
another search engine if the user prefers.
there are no pre-installed google apps on ios devices. it's up to
the user to install them, should they choose to do so.
There are plenty of useless iOS apps on my iPhone as well. At
least I was able to uninstall most of them like office apps and
iTunes.
One advantage of the Safari browser is that it uses less storage
space than other browsers, and LOT less than Chrome. On my iPhone:
• Safari: 33MB (no reading list, no tabs, no history)
• Opera: 52.6MB
• Onion: 55.2MB
• Firefox: 63.3MB
• Chrome: 144MB
In any case, we all owe a big thanks to the EU for forcing Apple to
soon allow browsers not based on WebKit (as well as for mandating
USB-C). The U.S. government would never have attempted to advocate
for consumers in these ways.
nospam wrote:
In article <trts1b$3q2po$1@dont-email.me>, wasbit
<wasbitREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote:
Even Google pays Apple for space on the iPhone.
no they don't.
apple pays google for search, mostly via apple's safari browser. that
doesn't use any space and can also easily be changed to use another
search engine if the user prefers.
there are no pre-installed google apps on ios devices. it's up to the
user to install them, should they choose to do so.
There are plenty of useless iOS apps on my iPhone as well. At least I
was able to uninstall most of them like office apps and iTunes.
the claim was 'google pays apple for space'. they do not.
What is that fifteen billion dollar annual check from Google to Apple for then
One advantage of the Safari browser is that it uses less storage space
than other browsers, and LOT less than Chrome.
the claim was 'google pays apple for space'. they do not.
What is that fifteen billion dollar annual check from Google to Apple for
then
to be the default search engine in safari.
"nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>" wrote in message
<news:080220231251149950%nospam@nospam.invalid>...
the claim was 'google pays apple for space'. they do not.
What is that fifteen billion dollar annual check from Google to
Apple for then
to be the default search engine in safari.
Then how is it Apple didn't sell people's privacy blah blah blah
"nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>" wrote in message
<news:080220230810490494%nospam@nospam.invalid>...
There are plenty of useless iOS apps on my iPhone as well. At least
I was able to uninstall most of them like office apps and iTunes.
the claim was 'google pays apple for space'. they do not.
What is that fifteen billion dollar annual check from Google to Apple
for then if Apple didn't sell the iOS customers privacy to the highest bidder?
Am 07.02.23 um 17:18 schrieb sms:
On 2/6/2023 7:37 PM, badgolferman wrote:There must be a reason why 85% of all operating profits of the whole smartphone industry goes to Apple.
Yes, the Galaxy S23 is slowly trickling out to the masses, and, as
Esper's
senior technical editor Mishaal Rahman highlights in a storage space
survey, Samsung's new phone is way out of line with most of the
ecosystem.
Several users report the phone uses around 60GB for the system
partition
right out of the box. If you have a 128GB phone, that's nearly half
your
storage for the Android OS and packed-in apps. That's four times the
size
of the normal Pixel 7 Pro system partition, which is 15GB. It's the
size of
two Windows 11 installs, side by side. What could Samsung possibly be
putting in there?!
Yes, definitely avoid the 128GB version, not only for that reason but
for other reasons as well
<https://www.tomsguide.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s23-hides-a-nasty-storage-secret#>.
I suspect that very few buyers of flagship phones are buying the 128GB
model.
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