Sometimes I send myself an iMessage to myself so I remember something, such as the date and mileage of an oil change I performed on one of our cars. Later when I have the time I will enter that information in my auto repair spreadsheet.
Whenever I send myself the message it goes through as an iMessage and immediately comes back to me, confirming that it went all the way through. However starting yesterday it doesn’t go through as an iMessage but instead as a SMS message and it doesn’t come back to me at all. The information I sent is in the chat which I need, but it’s what I sent, not received.
I’ve checked that I’m signed into my Apple ID and I’m receiving iMessages
from others, just not from myself. Any ideas?
Sometimes I send myself an iMessage to myself so I remember something, such as the date and mileage of an oil change I performed on one of our cars. Later when I have the time I will enter that information in my auto repair spreadsheet.
Whenever I send myself the message it goes through as an iMessage and immediately comes back to me, confirming that it went all the way through. However starting yesterday it doesn’t go through as an iMessage but instead as a SMS message and it doesn’t come back to me at all. The information I sent is in the chat which I need, but it’s what I sent, not received.
I’ve checked that I’m signed into my Apple ID and I’m receiving iMessages
from others, just not from myself. Any ideas?
Sometimes I send myself an iMessage to myself so I remember something, such as the date and mileage of an oil change I performed on one of our cars. Later when I have the time I will enter that information in my auto repair spreadsheet.
In article <ts4d32$ujvi$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Sometimes I send myself an iMessage to myself so I remember something, such >> as the date and mileage of an oil change I performed on one of our cars.
Later when I have the time I will enter that information in my auto repair >> spreadsheet.
have you considered using the reminders app (or a third party
equivalent)?
nospam wrote:
In article <ts4d32$ujvi$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Sometimes I send myself an iMessage to myself so I remember something, such >>> as the date and mileage of an oil change I performed on one of our cars. >>> Later when I have the time I will enter that information in my auto repair >>> spreadsheet.
have you considered using the reminders app (or a third party
equivalent)?
Reminders works really well. But I often send an email to myself so
I'll also see it on my computer. I don't have an apple computer,
and iphones don't really integrate well with anything non apple.
Sometimes I send myself an iMessage to myself so I remember something, such
as the date and mileage of an oil change I performed on one of our cars. >> Later when I have the time I will enter that information in my auto repair >> spreadsheet.
have you considered using the reminders app (or a third party
equivalent)?
Youre usually more helpful than that. Your response did little to address the issue at hand.
In article <ts4d32$ujvi$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Sometimes I send myself an iMessage to myself so I remember something, such >> as the date and mileage of an oil change I performed on one of our cars.
Later when I have the time I will enter that information in my auto repair >> spreadsheet.
have you considered using the reminders app (or a third party
equivalent)?
Reminders works really well. But I often send an email to myself so
I'll also see it on my computer. I don't have an apple computer,
and iphones don't really integrate well with anything non apple.
Reminders works really well. But I often send an email to myself so
I'll also see it on my computer. I don't have an apple computer,
and iphones don't really integrate well with anything non apple.
yes they do.
Not the way iCloud integrated apps do: iPhone<>Mac<>iPad<>Watch ...
In article <pUkFL.502952$MVg8.258183@fx12.iad>, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Reminders works really well. But I often send an email to myself so
I'll also see it on my computer. I don't have an apple computer,
and iphones don't really integrate well with anything non apple.
yes they do.
Sometimes I send myself an iMessage to myself so I remember something, such as the date and mileage of an oil change I performed on one of our cars. Later when I have the time I will enter that information in my auto repair spreadsheet.
Whenever I send myself the message it goes through as an iMessage and immediately comes back to me, confirming that it went all the way through. However starting yesterday it doesn’t go through as an iMessage but instead as a SMS message and it doesn’t come back to me at all. The information I sent is in the chat which I need, but it’s what I sent, not received.
On 2023-02-09 22:18, badgolferman wrote:
Whenever I send myself the message it goes through as an iMessage and
immediately comes back to me, confirming that it went all the way
through. However starting yesterday it doesn’t go through as an
iMessage but instead as a SMS message and it doesn’t come back to me
at all. The information I sent is in the chat which I need, but it’s
what I sent, not received.
Sign out of Apple and back in.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <ts4d32$ujvi$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Sometimes I send myself an iMessage to myself so I remember something, such >>> as the date and mileage of an oil change I performed on one of our cars. >>> Later when I have the time I will enter that information in my auto repair >>> spreadsheet.
have you considered using the reminders app (or a third party
equivalent)?
You’re usually more helpful than that. Your response did little to address the issue at hand.
The good news is today imessage is acting as expected. I just sent myself a test message and it went all the way through and back as a blue bubble so
the Apple servers fixed their glitch.
On 2023-02-09 22:18, badgolferman wrote:
Sometimes I send myself an iMessage to myself so I remember something, such >> as the date and mileage of an oil change I performed on one of our cars.
Later when I have the time I will enter that information in my auto repair >> spreadsheet.
Use Notes instead for such. Indeed I use Siri to take Notes for me for
all sorts of things related to car maintenance.
Notes is a very powerful little app - esp. when used with other Apple
devices via iCloud.
Exactly. Just about everything between a PC and an iphone is clumsy
and requires a lot of effort to get working. I suppose that's
intended, as it might help sell more apple stuff. About the only
thing that can be installed on a PC is itunes, and it sure ain't
something to brag about.
On 2023-02-10 07:13, nospam wrote:
In article <pUkFL.502952$MVg8.258183@fx12.iad>, Hank Rogers
<hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Reminders works really well. But I often send an email to myself so
I'll also see it on my computer. I don't have an apple computer,
and iphones don't really integrate well with anything non apple.
yes they do.
Not the way iCloud integrated apps do: iPhone<>Mac<>iPad<>Watch ...
But you _lose_ functionality on Windows the instant you install iTunes...
Just about everything between a PC and an iphone is clumsy
and requires a lot of effort to get working.
I suppose that's
intended, as it might help sell more apple stuff.
About the only
thing that can be installed on a PC is itunes, and it sure ain't
something to brag about.
Just about everything between a PC and an iphone is clumsy
and requires a lot of effort to get working.
not really. the effort is minimal. it may take installing an app or
two, but once done, the integration is perfectly fine.
I suppose that's
intended, as it might help sell more apple stuff.
no, it's because apple designs and builds all pieces of the puzzle and
can guarantee that a given feature will work.
windows pcs are dependent on microsoft and pc hardware makers, who
mostly don't give a shit and certainly don't work together to benefit customers.
About the only
thing that can be installed on a PC is itunes, and it sure ain't
something to brag about.
the replacement apps are already in beta.
But you _lose_ functionality on Windows the instant you install iTunes...
right, because for every additional app that is installed, various
features in windows disappear. it's a clever conspiracy by microsoft,
so that only microsoft apps are used.
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-02-10 07:13, nospam wrote:
In article <pUkFL.502952$MVg8.258183@fx12.iad>, Hank Rogers
<hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Reminders works really well. But I often send an email to myself so
I'll also see it on my computer. I don't have an apple computer,
and iphones don't really integrate well with anything non apple.
yes they do.
Not the way iCloud integrated apps do: iPhone<>Mac<>iPad<>Watch ...
Exactly. Just about everything between a PC and an iphone is clumsy and requires a lot of effort to get working. I suppose that's intended, as
it might help sell more apple stuff. About the only thing that can be installed on a PC is itunes, and it sure ain't something to brag about.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:I notice on occasion that when texting people I know are on iMessage they show as green instead of blue. Could be transitory Apple or internetwork glitches.
In article <ts4d32$ujvi$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Sometimes I send myself an iMessage to myself so I remember something, such
as the date and mileage of an oil change I performed on one of our cars. >>>> Later when I have the time I will enter that information in my auto repair >>>> spreadsheet.
have you considered using the reminders app (or a third party
equivalent)?
You’re usually more helpful than that. Your response did little to address >> the issue at hand.
The good news is today imessage is acting as expected. I just sent myself a >> test message and it went all the way through and back as a blue bubble so
the Apple servers fixed their glitch.
Hank Rogers wrote:
Not only is Windows iTunes an untested abominable bloatware hole...
For example, you can drag an APK from Windows over Wi-Fi to Android.
You can't do that with iOS
because, well, because Apple won't let you.
*I am crippled*
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-02-09 22:18, badgolferman wrote:I use Notes more than Reminders, but Reminders can prompt you about stuff.
Sometimes I send myself an iMessage to myself so I remember something, such >>> as the date and mileage of an oil change I performed on one of our cars. >>> Later when I have the time I will enter that information in my auto repair >>> spreadsheet.
Use Notes instead for such. Indeed I use Siri to take Notes for me for
all sorts of things related to car maintenance.
Notes is a very powerful little app - esp. when used with other Apple
devices via iCloud.
I cluttered Reminders with shopping lists at the beginning of the pandemic.
About the only
thing that can be installed on a PC is itunes, and it sure ain't
something to brag about.
the replacement apps are already in beta.
What apps?
Will they get rid of itunes and give us something
better?
I don't care about the apple music shit though. I only use
itunes to make backups. It does work for that.
In article <5hxFL.457917$gGD7.53412@fx11.iad>, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Just about everything between a PC and an iphone is clumsy
and requires a lot of effort to get working.
not really. the effort is minimal. it may take installing an app or
two, but once done, the integration is perfectly fine.
I suppose that's
intended, as it might help sell more apple stuff.
no, it's because apple designs and builds all pieces of the puzzle and
can guarantee that a given feature will work.
windows pcs are dependent on microsoft and pc hardware makers, who
mostly don't give a shit and certainly don't work together to benefit customers.
About the only
thing that can be installed on a PC is itunes, and it sure ain't
something to brag about.
the replacement apps are already in beta.
On 2023-02-10, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-02-09 22:18, badgolferman wrote:
Whenever I send myself the message it goes through as an iMessage and
immediately comes back to me, confirming that it went all the way
through. However starting yesterday it doesn???t go through as an
iMessage but instead as a SMS message and it doesn???t come back to me
at all. The information I sent is in the chat which I need, but it???s
what I sent, not received.
Sign out of Apple and back in.
Yep. Try toggling Messages off and back on in Settings > Apple ID >
iCLoud first.
Not only is Windows iTunes an untested abominable bloatware hole...
First released for Windows in 2003.
Gee, in use since 2003 and still considered untested????
What apps? Will they get rid of itunes and give us something
better? I don't care about the apple music shit though. I only use
itunes to make backups. It does work for that.
How do you re-install an app (or app subversion) that is no longer on the Apple App store and which you didn't already back up using that iTunes?
Answer: *You can't*
Hint: On every other operating system (other than crippled iOS), you can.
Sometimes I send myself an iMessage to myself so I remember something, such as the date and mileage of an oil change I performed on one of our cars. Later when I have the time I will enter that information in my auto repair spreadsheet.
Whenever I send myself the message it goes through as an iMessage and immediately comes back to me, confirming that it went all the way through. However starting yesterday it doesn’t go through as an iMessage but instead as a SMS message and it doesn’t come back to me at all. The information I sent is in the chat which I need, but it’s what I sent, not received.
I’ve checked that I’m signed into my Apple ID and I’m receiving iMessages
from others, just not from myself. Any ideas?
On 2023-02-10 12:24, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
I use Notes more than Reminders, but Reminders can prompt you about stuff.
I cluttered Reminders with shopping lists at the beginning of the pandemic.
I'm sure you're the only one .... ;-)
On 2023-02-10, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Sometimes I send myself an iMessage to myself so I remember something, such >> as the date and mileage of an oil change I performed on one of our cars.
Later when I have the time I will enter that information in my auto repair >> spreadsheet.
Whenever I send myself the message it goes through as an iMessage and
immediately comes back to me, confirming that it went all the way through. >> However starting yesterday it doesn’t go through as an iMessage but instead
as a SMS message and it doesn’t come back to me at all. The information I >> sent is in the chat which I need, but it’s what I sent, not received.
I’ve checked that I’m signed into my Apple ID and I’m receiving iMessages
from others, just not from myself. Any ideas?
/delurks
if i don't enter my area code when i enter my number in it sends as sms.
when i use my area code it sends as imessage. :shrug:
/lurks
In article <pUkFL.502952$MVg8.258183@fx12.iad>, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Reminders works really well. But I often send an email to myself so
I'll also see it on my computer. I don't have an apple computer,
and iphones don't really integrate well with anything non apple.
yes they do.
Reminders works really well. But I often send an email to myself so
I'll also see it on my computer. I don't have an apple computer,
and iphones don't really integrate well with anything non apple.
yes they do.
So how do you share iOS Reminders with a PC?
if i don't enter my area code when i enter my number in it sends as sms. when i use my area code it sends as imessage. :shrug:
Interesting - North America? I thought everywhere was 10 digit now?
How do you re-install an app (or app subversion) that is no longer on the
Apple App store and which you didn't already back up using that iTunes?
Answer: *You can't*
Hint: On every other operating system (other than crippled iOS), you can.
no you can't.
if a particular app is no longer available for download and you haven't backed it up, then there's nothing for you to reinstall, regardless of platform.
On 2023-02-10, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Sometimes I send myself an iMessage to myself so I remember something, such >> as the date and mileage of an oil change I performed on one of our cars.
Later when I have the time I will enter that information in my auto repair >> spreadsheet.
Whenever I send myself the message it goes through as an iMessage and
immediately comes back to me, confirming that it went all the way through. >> However starting yesterday it doesn’t go through as an iMessage but instead
as a SMS message and it doesn’t come back to me at all. The information I >> sent is in the chat which I need, but it’s what I sent, not received.
I’ve checked that I’m signed into my Apple ID and I’m receiving iMessages
from others, just not from myself. Any ideas?
/delurks
if i don't enter my area code when i enter my number in it sends as sms.
when i use my area code it sends as imessage. :shrug:
/lurks
(i'm here for tidbits of useful information but mainly to laugh at
arlen's nonsense)
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <pUkFL.502952$MVg8.258183@fx12.iad>, Hank Rogers
<hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Reminders works really well. But I often send an email to myself so
I'll also see it on my computer. I don't have an apple computer,
and iphones don't really integrate well with anything non apple.
yes they do.
So how do you share iOS Reminders with a PC?
In article <ts8ic9$1fc93$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
Reminders works really well. But I often send an email to myself so
I'll also see it on my computer. I don't have an apple computer,
and iphones don't really integrate well with anything non apple.
yes they do.
So how do you share iOS Reminders with a PC?
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/using-siri-with-microsoft-to- do-on-ios-11-ios-12-and-ios-13-52ef93bb-c316-4193-9284-d579ce55eaaa>
alternately, use microsoft to do on both.
So how do you share iOS Reminders with a PC?
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/using-siri-with-microsoft-to- do-on-ios-11-ios-12-and-ios-13-52ef93bb-c316-4193-9284-d579ce55eaaa>
alternately, use microsoft to do on both.
Firstly, the instructions are incorrect. There's no "Passwords & Accounts" section in settings. You need to look under "Mail", confusingly.
Secondly, it requires an MS Office account.
More importantly, this is how to share with Microsoft, not a PC.
Hank was correct in his assessment; this isn't good integration.
p.s. just spotted the bit at the bottom regarding business customers using InTune. Which is me, so that won't work without creating *another* MS account.
In article <tsardf$1pobq$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
So how do you share iOS Reminders with a PC?
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/using-siri-with-microsoft-to- >>> do-on-ios-11-ios-12-and-ios-13-52ef93bb-c316-4193-9284-d579ce55eaaa>
alternately, use microsoft to do on both.
Firstly, the instructions are incorrect. There's no "Passwords & Accounts" >> section in settings. You need to look under "Mail", confusingly.
the url states ios 11-13. apparently the setting moved. no big deal.
lots of stuff in settings is in odd places and sometimes moves from
release to release.
Secondly, it requires an MS Office account.
obviously it will need a microsoft account.
More importantly, this is how to share with Microsoft, not a PC.
guess what operating system is on almost every desktop pc.
Hank was correct in his assessment; this isn't good integration.
although it's not as seamless as a mac, it's not difficult to set up
and the integration is comparable.
p.s. just spotted the bit at the bottom regarding business customers using >> InTune. Which is me, so that won't work without creating *another* MS
account.
that's a problem specific to your setup, not integration in general.
Secondly, it requires an MS Office account.
obviously it will need a microsoft account.
Why does an Apple service "obviously" need a Microsoft account? That's nonsensical.
More importantly, this is how to share with Microsoft, not a PC.
guess what operating system is on almost every desktop pc.
And most won't be using an MS account.
Why does an Apple service "obviously" need a Microsoft account? That's nonsensical.
OneDrive on the Mac doesn't need an Apple account as well as a MS one.
Why does an Apple service "obviously" need a Microsoft account? That's nonsensical.
OneDrive on the Mac doesn't need an Apple account as well as a MS one.
OneDrive requires a MS account such as bob@outlook.com
iCloud requires an Apple account.
To use them interoperably (which I assume is the intent) should require
at least one of each.
In article <DmtGL.794209$iU59.337984@fx14.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Why does an Apple service "obviously" need a Microsoft account? That's
nonsensical.
OneDrive on the Mac doesn't need an Apple account as well as a MS one.
OneDrive requires a MS account such as bob@outlook.com
iCloud requires an Apple account.
To use them interoperably (which I assume is the intent) should require
at least one of each.
only one account would be required.
if syncing is done via an microsoft account, then an icloud account is
not needed, although it may exist for other reasons.
Why does an Apple service "obviously" need a Microsoft account? That's >>> nonsensical.
OneDrive on the Mac doesn't need an Apple account as well as a MS one.
OneDrive requires a MS account such as bob@outlook.com
iCloud requires an Apple account.
To use them interoperably (which I assume is the intent) should require
at least one of each.
only one account would be required.
if syncing is done via an microsoft account, then an icloud account is
not needed, although it may exist for other reasons.
Not sure how I see that working,
but in any case the iPhone user would
almost certainly be using iCloud for his "apple" side contacts.
On 2023-02-12 17:38, Chris wrote:
Why does an Apple service "obviously" need a Microsoft account? That's
nonsensical.
OneDrive on the Mac doesn't need an Apple account as well as a MS one.
OneDrive requires a MS account such as bob@outlook.com
iCloud requires an Apple account.
To use them interoperably (which I assume is the intent) should require
at least one of each.
On 2023-02-13 11:28, nospam wrote:
In article <DmtGL.794209$iU59.337984@fx14.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Why does an Apple service "obviously" need a Microsoft account? That's >>>> nonsensical.
OneDrive on the Mac doesn't need an Apple account as well as a MS one.
OneDrive requires a MS account such as bob@outlook.com
iCloud requires an Apple account.
To use them interoperably (which I assume is the intent) should require
at least one of each.
only one account would be required.
if syncing is done via an microsoft account, then an icloud account is
not needed, although it may exist for other reasons.
Not sure how I see that working, but in any case the iPhone user would
almost certainly be using iCloud for his "apple" side contacts.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-02-12 17:38, Chris wrote:
Why does an Apple service "obviously" need a Microsoft account? That's
nonsensical.
OneDrive on the Mac doesn't need an Apple account as well as a MS one.
OneDrive requires a MS account such as bob@outlook.com
Correct. Only one MS account regardless of which OS.
iCloud requires an Apple account.
Ditto.
To use them interoperably (which I assume is the intent) should require
at least one of each.
Nope. Only need to pick one.
In article <tsbpp2$1t2k7$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
Secondly, it requires an MS Office account.
obviously it will need a microsoft account.
Why does an Apple service "obviously" need a Microsoft account? That's
nonsensical.
because it links to a microsoft app running on a microsoft operating
system.
microsoft could add icloud support to their to do app (as well as other
apps) but they have chosen not to do that, which means that a microsoft account will be required.
there might be another solution that uses icloud, dropbox or another
cloud service, but i haven't looked into that.
More importantly, this is how to share with Microsoft, not a PC.
guess what operating system is on almost every desktop pc.
And most won't be using an MS account.
most do,
especially since it's now required to have one (and bypassing
that is non-trivial)
and microsoft is heavily pushing cloud services,
including office 365.
microsoft could add icloud support to their to do app (as well as other apps) but they have chosen not to do that, which means that a microsoft account will be required.
Or Apple could provide a Reminders service with the Windows icloud app.
That would be what most call integration.
In article <tsgpjk$2k6tr$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
microsoft could add icloud support to their to do app (as well as other
apps) but they have chosen not to do that, which means that a microsoft
account will be required.
Or Apple could provide a Reminders service with the Windows icloud app.
they did. all that's needed is to write a reminders app on windows that
uses icloud, something that any software developer can easily do.
microsoft could add icloud support to their to do app (as well as other >>> apps) but they have chosen not to do that, which means that a microsoft >>> account will be required.
Or Apple could provide a Reminders service with the Windows icloud app.
they did. all that's needed is to write a reminders app on windows that uses icloud, something that any software developer can easily do.
You're laughable. You've gone from iphones integrate well with anything non-Apple to you need to develop an app to do the integration.
In article <tsil00$2t2ii$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
they did. all that's needed is to write a reminders app on windows thatmicrosoft could add icloud support to their to do app (as well as other >>>>> apps) but they have chosen not to do that, which means that a microsoft >>>>> account will be required.
Or Apple could provide a Reminders service with the Windows icloud app. >>>
uses icloud, something that any software developer can easily do.
You're laughable. You've gone from iphones integrate well with anything
non-Apple to you need to develop an app to do the integration.
nope. what i said was that it's very easy to integrate microsoft to do
with reminders on an ios device.
In article <pUkFL.502952$MVg8.258183@fx12.iad>, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Reminders works really well. But I often send an email to myself so
I'll also see it on my computer. I don't have an apple computer,
and iphones don't really integrate well with anything non apple.
yes they do.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <tsil00$2t2ii$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
they did. all that's needed is to write a reminders app on windows that >>>> uses icloud, something that any software developer can easily do.microsoft could add icloud support to their to do app (as well as other >>>>>> apps) but they have chosen not to do that, which means that a microsoft >>>>>> account will be required.
Or Apple could provide a Reminders service with the Windows icloud app. >>>>
You're laughable. You've gone from iphones integrate well with anything
non-Apple to you need to develop an app to do the integration.
nope. what i said was that it's very easy to integrate microsoft to do
with reminders on an ios device.
Let's see, shall we?
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <pUkFL.502952$MVg8.258183@fx12.iad>, Hank Rogers
<hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Reminders works really well. But I often send an email to myself so
I'll also see it on my computer. I don't have an apple computer,
and iphones don't really integrate well with anything non apple.
yes they do.
No mention of MS by either you or Hank. You're rolling back your, at best, overly sweeping comment. I'd say Hank was closer to the truth.
I guess it's a natural thing Chris. Microsoft and apple are competitors,
and they do their very best to shit on each other. It's all rooted in
pure greed, and if the customer gets splattered, it's no big deal to
either of these behemoths. As long as the $$$$$ keep rolling.
They both expend a lot of effort to undermine the other.
they did. all that's needed is to write a reminders app on windows that >>> uses icloud, something that any software developer can easily do.microsoft could add icloud support to their to do app (as well as other >>>>> apps) but they have chosen not to do that, which means that a microsoft >>>>> account will be required.
Or Apple could provide a Reminders service with the Windows icloud app. >>>
You're laughable. You've gone from iphones integrate well with anything
non-Apple to you need to develop an app to do the integration.
nope. what i said was that it's very easy to integrate microsoft to do
with reminders on an ios device.
Let's see, shall we?
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <pUkFL.502952$MVg8.258183@fx12.iad>, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Reminders works really well. But I often send an email to myself so
I'll also see it on my computer. I don't have an apple computer,
and iphones don't really integrate well with anything non apple.
yes they do.
No mention of MS by either you or Hank.
You're rolling back your, at best,
overly sweeping comment.
I'd say Hank was closer to the truth.
Microsoft and apple are
competitors, and they do their very best to shit on each other.
It's all rooted in pure greed, and if the customer gets splattered,
it's no big deal to either of these behemoths. As long as the $$$$$
keep rolling.
They both expend a lot of effort to undermine the other.
the question was whether iphones integrate with non-apple products, not
a detailed explanation (which came later, when you asked about it).
On 2023-02-15 17:32:41 +0000, nospam said:
the question was whether iphones integrate with non-apple products, not
a detailed explanation (which came later, when you asked about it).
Simplest test of them all.
Start with a brand spanking new Windows PC (no need to be on the Internet). Connect an iPhone to one usb port of that native Windows PC.
Connect an Android phone to another usb port of that native Windows PC.
Wait a minute for Windows to autoconfigure drivers as Windows sees fit to. Then copy any file from Windows over to the iPhone & Android file systems.
If you don't instantly see how much better one is integrated, you're blind.
Simplest test of them all.
Also meaningless.
Start with a brand spanking new Windows PC (no need to be on the Internet). >> Connect an iPhone to one usb port of that native Windows PC.
Connect an Android phone to another usb port of that native Windows PC.
Wait a minute for Windows to autoconfigure drivers as Windows sees fit to. >> Then copy any file from Windows over to the iPhone & Android file systems. >>
If you don't instantly see how much better one is integrated, you're blind.
Leaving a computer's storage system (the Android) nakedly open to any
strange computer hooking up to it is a good thing ... how?
On 2023-02-16 12:43:11 +0000, Alan Browne said:
Leaving a computer's storage system (the Android) nakedly open to any
strange computer hooking up to it is a good thing ... how?
You are wrong if you only see danger in almost perfect PC interoperability.
All you did was make excuses for why iOS doesn't have PC interoperability.
You are wrong if you only see danger in almost perfect PC interoperability.
That is not perfect interoperability
that is perfect vulnerability - potentially both ways for that matter.
All you did was make excuses for why iOS doesn't have PC interoperability.
It has PC interoperability.
Just not the same way that Android does,
and the IOS method is far safer.
And for that matter not different than with a Mac when there is no
authorized session connecting them (as one would do when logged in on
both with the iCloud account).
On 2023-02-16 12:08:37 +0000, Alan Browne said:
You are wrong if you only see danger in almost perfect PC
interoperability.
That is not perfect interoperability
Android PC interoperability is so perfect it does everything you need.
You plug it in and Android just works exactly how you want it to work.
Compare that to the nightmare of plugging iOS into a new Windows PC.
that is perfect vulnerability - potentially both ways for that matter.
You've been locked inside walled gardens so long you're afraid of the sun. There isn't a person alive, except you, who fears perfect interoperability.
All you did was make excuses for why iOS doesn't have PC
interoperability.
It has PC interoperability.
Windows has native near perfect interoperability with Android.
It just works.
In contrast, iPhones are locked deep in the walled garden where you have to use Apple-only tools to let fresh air and sunlight feed the plants inside.
Just not the same way that Android does,
Even Apple deprecated their walled garden preventing PC interoperability.
and the IOS method is far safer.
Nobody but you thinks having no interoperability at all is for safety.
Apple built their walled garden to eliminate that perfect interoperability.
And for that matter not different than with a Mac when there is no
authorized session connecting them (as one would do when logged in on
both with the iCloud account).
I can't speak for the Mac walled garden but nobody on Windows & Android is worried about their PC attacking them with almost perfect interoperability.
On 2023-02-16 10:48, gtr wrote:
On 2023-02-15 17:32:41 +0000, nospam said:
the question was whether iphones integrate with non-apple products,
not a detailed explanation (which came later, when you asked about
it).
Simplest test of them all.
Also meaningless.
Start with a brand spanking new Windows PC (no need to be on the
Internet). Connect an iPhone to one usb port of that native Windows
PC. Connect an Android phone to another usb port of that native
Windows PC.
Wait a minute for Windows to autoconfigure drivers as Windows sees
fit to. Then copy any file from Windows over to the iPhone & Android
file systems.
If you don't instantly see how much better one is integrated, you're
blind.
Leaving a computer's storage system (the Android) nakedly open to any
strange computer hooking up to it is a good thing ... how?
As to "Walled garden" that is a myth where Apple devices are concerned.
A catchall word that Android fans blithely throw around in ignorance, somewhat like right wing GOPers flounder in ecstasy around the word "woke".
Android zealots have no real sense of (or care for) security or privacy
- that went out the window the minute they decided to blindly hawk
Android over anything else.
Compare that to the nightmare of plugging iOS into a new Windows PC.
I abandoned (almost) Windows when Vista came out to avoid Windows
related nightmares. Regrettably I have had to use Windows on some
occasions due to s/w legacy issues.
But largely, the nightmare of Windows is all but gone.
that is perfect vulnerability - potentially both ways for that matter.
You've been locked inside walled gardens so long you're afraid of the sun. >> There isn't a person alive, except you, who fears perfect interoperability.
It's actually irrelevant as I don't need Windows for very much and least
of all in conjunction with my other devices like my phone.
As to "Walled garden" that is a myth where Apple devices are concerned.
A catchall word that Android fans blithely throw around in ignorance, somewhat like right wing GOPers flounder in ecstasy around the word "woke".
In contrast, iPhones are locked deep in the walled garden where you have to >> use Apple-only tools to let fresh air and sunlight feed the plants inside.
Yeah, and there's good reason for that.
And of course the seamless interoperability amongst Apple devices via
iCloud is something Android users can only salivate over.
And the very
nature of the disparate offerings from many manufacturers and OS
variants make it unlikely that it ever reach the same level of
integration and consistency.
Nobody but you thinks having no interoperability at all is for safety.
Apple built their walled garden to eliminate that perfect interoperability.
Not at all. Keep the myths burning though.
It's pretty much all you have left.
I can't speak for the Mac walled garden but nobody on Windows & Android is >> worried about their PC attacking them with almost perfect interoperability.
Whoosh. It's isn't about your devices.
who needs a zero-day exploit when all you need to do is connect an
android phone to a pc.
the only walls are the ones they build themselves.
if they can't figure out how to do something, it must be due to a
mythical wall, versus their own inability to find a solution, which in
many cases is very simple.
and that's assuming they even looked for a solution, which is often not
the case. instead, they'd just rather spew the usual bullshit.
if they can't figure out how to do something, it must be due to a
mythical wall, versus their own inability to find a solution, which in
many cases is very simple.
Given it's already nearly perfect, what is it Android can't figure out?
and that's assuming they even looked for a solution, which is often not
the case. instead, they'd just rather spew the usual bullshit.
What is it you're saying Android can't do just by connecting to a Win10 PC?
On 2023-02-16 13:07:04 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
Android zealots have no real sense of (or care for) security or
privacy - that went out the window the minute they decided to blindly
hawk Android over anything else.
Android zealots, as you call them, aren't afraid of their Windows PC attacking them by giving them perfect read and write interoperability.
On 2023-02-16 14:00:40 +0000, nospam said:
who needs a zero-day exploit when all you need to do is connect an
android phone to a pc.
by connecting an Android device to a Win10 PC all of a sudden gives
you built-in 0-day bugs iOS natively has
In article <93wHL.213943$PXw7.152778@fx45.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Leaving a computer's storage system (the Android) nakedly open to
any strange computer hooking up to it is a good thing ... how?
You are wrong if you only see danger in almost perfect PC
interoperability.
That is not perfect interoperability - that is perfect vulnerability
- potentially both ways for that matter.
exactly, and what's worse is the troll has the gall to claim android
is 'more secure'.
this is one very good reason why android is *less* secure.
who needs a zero-day exploit when all you need to do is connect an
android phone to a pc.
who needs a zero-day exploit when all you need to do is connect an
android phone to a pc.
Yep, and the same applies to spyware like Pegasus, which walks right in
the front door on Android devices, but needs to play cat-and-mouse games
with Apple to utilize zero-day vulnerabilities in order to gain access
to Apple devices. This also applies to the U.S. government stating on
record that they have no trouble gaining access to data on Android
devices while begging the U.S. court system to compel Apple employees
to create back doors into Apple devices before dropping their case
completely when it was clear that's unconstitutional.
On 2023-02-16 22:53, Jolly Roger wrote:
who needs a zero-day exploit when all you need to do is connect an
android phone to a pc.
Yep, and the same applies to spyware like Pegasus, which walks right
in the front door on Android devices, but needs to play cat-and-mouse
games with Apple to utilize zero-day vulnerabilities in order to gain
access to Apple devices. This also applies to the U.S. government
stating on record that they have no trouble gaining access to data on
Android devices while begging the U.S. court system to compel Apple
employees to create back doors into Apple devices before dropping
their case completely when it was clear that's unconstitutional.
Your information appears to be dated but otherwise accurate as of long
ago.
Pegasus, which is used to target key people, doesn't normally use zero
day exploits on Android because rooting is easier on Android than on
iOS.
Pegasus, which is used to target key people, doesn't normally use zero
day exploits on Android because rooting is easier on Android than on
iOS.
Yes, because Android security is an afterthought.
The Android kernel is never infected by NSO spyware while iOS kernels are.
The Android kernel is never infected by NSO spyware while iOS kernels are.
If rich, business, political, journalist types switched to Android in significant number, NSO would follow - and happily - it would be far easier.
On 2023-02-17 03:40, Jolly Roger wrote:
Pegasus, which is used to target key people, doesn't normally use
zero day exploits on Android because rooting is easier on Android
than on iOS.
Yes, because Android security is an afterthought.
All your information about Android was correct only very long ago.
You're
On 2023-02-16 23:51, Jack wrote:
The Android kernel is never infected by NSO spyware while iOS kernels
are.
If rich, business, political, journalist types switched to Android in significant number, NSO would follow - and happily - it would be far
easier.
On 2023-02-17, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-02-16 23:51, Jack wrote:
The Android kernel is never infected by NSO spyware while iOS kernels
are.
If rich, business, political, journalist types switched to Android in
significant number, NSO would follow - and happily - it would be far
easier.
What Jack isn't saying is that NSO already compromises Android devices,
and without using zero day exploits - they walk right in the front door.
The Android kernel is never infected by NSO spyware while iOS kernels
are.
If rich, business, political, journalist types switched to Android in
significant number, NSO would follow - and happily - it would be far
easier.
What Jack isn't saying is that NSO already compromises Android devices,
and without using zero day exploits - they walk right in the front door.
On 2023-02-17 13:53, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-02-17, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
You're
* Your
Don't sweat the small ones on usenet.
On 2023-02-17 13:51, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-02-17, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-02-16 23:51, Jack wrote:
The Android kernel is never infected by NSO spyware while iOS
kernels
are.
If rich, business, political, journalist types switched to
Android in
significant number, NSO would follow - and happily - it would be
far
easier.
What Jack isn't saying is that NSO already compromises Android
devices,
and without using zero day exploits - they walk right in the
front door.
From what I find it's not all that common on Android - likely
because those worthy of spying on seem to prefer Apple devices.
On 2023-02-17 10:51, Jolly Roger wrote:
The Android kernel is never infected by NSO spyware while iOS
kernels are.
If rich, business, political, journalist types switched to Android
in significant number, NSO would follow - and happily - it would be
far easier.
What Jack isn't saying is that NSO already compromises Android
devices, and without using zero day exploits - they walk right in the
front door.
Both iPhones and Android phones pose no obstacle to outfits like NSO.
On 2023-02-17 13:53, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-02-17, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
You're
* Your
Don't sweat the small ones on usenet.
On 2023-02-17 13:51, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-02-17, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-02-16 23:51, Jack wrote:
The Android kernel is never infected by NSO spyware while iOS
kernels are.
If rich, business, political, journalist types switched to Android
in significant number, NSO would follow - and happily - it would be
far easier.
What Jack isn't saying is that NSO already compromises Android
devices, and without using zero day exploits - they walk right in the
front door.
From what I find it's not all that common on Android - likely because
those worthy of spying on seem to prefer Apple devices.
From what I find it's not all that common on Android - likely because
those worthy of spying on seem to prefer Apple devices.
Pegasus for Android: The Other Side of the Story Emerges <https://www.lookout.com/blog/pegasus-android>
How many actually use their phone with Windows? I suspect most use their phone in isolation. That's not just iphones, but android too.
My observation of family and friends is that almost no-one uses their phone with a computer.
On 2023-02-17 20:25, Jolly Roger wrote:
Pegasus for Android: The Other Side of the Story Emerges
<https://www.lookout.com/blog/pegasus-android>
Given that was six years ago, all your data is correct, but very old. https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2017/04/04/google-nso-group-android-surveillance-tool/
others my differ
Pegasus attacks the easy rooting aspect of Android and the unnoticed holes
in Apple's walled garden - neither of which shows any signs of abating.
In article <tsjmai$30mt0$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
they did. all that's needed is to write a reminders app on windows that >>>>> uses icloud, something that any software developer can easily do.microsoft could add icloud support to their to do app (as well as other >>>>>>> apps) but they have chosen not to do that, which means that a microsoft >>>>>>> account will be required.
Or Apple could provide a Reminders service with the Windows icloud app. >>>>>
You're laughable. You've gone from iphones integrate well with anything >>>> non-Apple to you need to develop an app to do the integration.
nope. what i said was that it's very easy to integrate microsoft to do
with reminders on an ios device.
Let's see, shall we?
let's.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <pUkFL.502952$MVg8.258183@fx12.iad>, Hank Rogers
<hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Reminders works really well. But I often send an email to myself so
I'll also see it on my computer. I don't have an apple computer,
and iphones don't really integrate well with anything non apple.
yes they do.
No mention of MS by either you or Hank.
no mention of icloud, dropbox, google drive or anything else either.
the question was whether iphones integrate with non-apple products,
not
a detailed explanation (which came later, when you asked about it).
You're rolling back your, at best,
overly sweeping comment.
i'm not rolling back anything nor is it a sweeping comment.
the simple fact is that ios devices integrate with windows pcs. that
often means using windows native services, including a microsoft
account.
another fact is that the majority people who have iphones use windows,
which would not be the case if integration was an obstacle, which it is
not.
that just means it may take a minute or so link the two devices rather
than a second or two to tick a checkbox. it does *not* mean it's
difficult or impossible.
your suggestion to use icloud is actually *less* integrated than what
exists now.
I'd say Hank was closer to the truth.
he was not.
Depends on the meaning of "with a computer". Both my son and SO
seamlessly work their Macs/phones/iPad (using the various lovely apps
[Notes, Messages, Reminders, etc]). They both effortlessly move files
as needed from one to the other, etc. and so on. My SO is not exactly "computer" friendly either.
the question was whether iphones integrate with non-apple products,
You missed out the important "well". Do iphones integrate *well* with non-apple products.
not
a detailed explanation (which came later, when you asked about it).
Because your usual glib responses are devoid of information.
You're rolling back your, at best,
overly sweeping comment.
i'm not rolling back anything nor is it a sweeping comment.
the simple fact is that ios devices integrate with windows pcs. that
often means using windows native services, including a microsoft
account.
That doesn't constitute integrating "well".
On 2/17/2023 6:03 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
Depends on the meaning of "with a computer". Both my son and SO
seamlessly work their Macs/phones/iPad (using the various lovely apps
[Notes, Messages, Reminders, etc]). They both effortlessly move files
as needed from one to the other, etc. and so on. My SO is not exactly
"computer" friendly either.
Nobody disputes that the iPhone works well only inside the walled garden.
The problem is the Windows 10/11 PC is far outside the Apple walled garden.
If you've never tried to plug the usb cable from any iPhone and any Android into a PC and then to copy files back and forth over that usb cable, then
you won't understand how Apple's walled garden hinders PC interoperability.
If you've never tried to plug the usb cable from any iPhone and any Android into a PC and then to copy files back and forth over that usb cable, then
you won't understand how Apple's walled garden hinders PC interoperability.
On 2/17/2023 6:03 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
Depends on the meaning of "with a computer". Both my son and SO
seamlessly work their Macs/phones/iPad (using the various lovely apps
[Notes, Messages, Reminders, etc]). They both effortlessly move
files as needed from one to the other, etc. and so on. My SO is not
exactly "computer" friendly either.
Nobody disputes that the iPhone works well only inside the walled
garden. The problem is the Windows 10/11 PC is far outside the Apple
walled garden.
If you've never tried to plug the usb cable from any iPhone and any
Android into a PC and then to copy files back and forth over that usb
cable, then you won't understand how Apple's walled garden hinders PC interoperability.
The walled garden is made to control, prevent & hinder interoperability.
Without the walled garden hindering interoperability, you can connect any Android phone you want to a PC, any way you want to connect it, and copy
any files you want, back and forth to and from any place on the phone to
and from any place on the PC, all without needing any walled garden restrictive account preventing you from doing it with any device you want.
Pro tip: the path to hell is wide and smooth. Just like Android-PC interoperability.
In article <tspdtn$3sk4k$1@dont-email.me>, Neil
<neil@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
The walled garden is made to control, prevent & hinder
interoperability.
don't you get tired of posting the same shit all the time?
In article <tspdtn$3sk4k$1@dont-email.me>, Neil
<neil@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
The walled garden is made to control, prevent & hinder
interoperability.
don't you get tired of posting the same shit all the time?
Garbage in, garbage out. ; )
In article <tsovih$3ob66$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
the question was whether iphones integrate with non-apple products,
You missed out the important "well". Do iphones integrate *well* with
non-apple products.
i didn't miss anything. the answer is yes it does.
not
a detailed explanation (which came later, when you asked about it).
Because your usual glib responses are devoid of information.
ad hominem.
he didn't ask for a full detailed explanation, so none was provided.
you did, so i told you one way. there are others.
not that it matters since you aren't interested in actually getting it
to work.
As I specified before, I can't with a business account. I'm not creating an additional MS account to solve an Apple question.
In article <tspdtn$3sk4k$1@dont-email.me>, Neil
<neil@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
The walled garden is made to control, prevent & hinder interoperability.
don't you get tired of posting the same shit all the time?
Without the walled garden hindering interoperability, you can connect any
Android phone you want to a PC, any way you want to connect it, and copy
any files you want, back and forth to and from any place on the phone to
and from any place on the PC, all without needing any walled garden
restrictive account preventing you from doing it with any device you want.
just as with an iphone or mac for that matter.
if you can't figure out how to do it, then that's on *you*, not apple.
Because your usual glib responses are devoid of information.
ad hominem.
Lol. Not even close. It's an accurate description of your responses on usenet.
he didn't ask for a full detailed explanation, so none was provided.
Composing a post of simply "yes it does" when someone is making reference
to a specific function or lack thereof is not an answer.
you did, so i told you one way. there are others.
I only did because you didn't answer the question.
not that it matters since you aren't interested in actually getting it
to work.
As I specified before, I can't with a business account. I'm not creating an additional MS account to solve an Apple question.
To be fair, you both sound like broken records.
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