• Negative value for line 4(a) on W-4?

    From Jonathan Kamens@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 4 14:07:15 2024
    My wife and I didn't withhold enough from our salaries for
    most of the year, and we use the withholding method rather
    than the estimated taxes method to ensure that we pay enough
    taxes before the end of the year, so we need to adjust our
    withholding for the remaining paychecks until the end of the
    year to make up the difference.

    We use TurboTax, which fortunately has functionality for doing
    this built in. However, after I enter all the numbers and
    TurboTax spits out new W-4 forms for my wife and me to turn in
    to our employers, there's a problem: line 4(a) on the forms,
    the "Other income (not from jobs)" line, is negative.

    Neither my employer nor my wife's will accept a negative value
    for that line. Which makes sense, because how can you have
    negative income from other jobs? I don't think the IRS
    intended for there to be a negative value on this line, so I
    think TurboTax is just completely borked to be doing this. I'd
    be interested in hearing whether other people agree. Not that
    it matters, I suppose, because Intuit is notoriously difficult
    to give feedback to in any way that is likely to reach a human
    who can do something about it, so even if I think TurboTax is
    totally wrong here, it's unlikely that I can convince them to
    change the program to do things differently.

    As a workaround, we're taking the negative value from line
    4(a) and entering it as a positive value on line 4(b)
    ("Deductions") in the online W-4 forms provided by our
    employers. TurtoTax already put a value on that line, so we're
    just adding the value TurboTax wanted us to put as a negative
    on line 4(a) to the value already on line 4(b). What do people
    think about that as a viable workaround?

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Jonathan Kamens on Mon Nov 4 18:28:02 2024
    Jonathan Kamens <jik@kamens.us> wrote:

    My wife and I didn't withhold enough from our salaries for
    most of the year, and we use the withholding method rather
    than the estimated taxes method to ensure that we pay enough
    taxes before the end of the year, so we need to adjust our
    withholding for the remaining paychecks until the end of the
    year to make up the difference.

    We use TurboTax, which fortunately has functionality for doing
    this built in. However, after I enter all the numbers and
    TurboTax spits out new W-4 forms for my wife and me to turn in
    to our employers, there's a problem: line 4(a) on the forms,
    the "Other income (not from jobs)" line, is negative.

    Neither my employer nor my wife's will accept a negative value
    for that line. Which makes sense, because how can you have
    negative income from other jobs? I don't think the IRS
    intended for there to be a negative value on this line, so I
    think TurboTax is just completely borked to be doing this. I'd
    be interested in hearing whether other people agree. Not that
    it matters, I suppose, because Intuit is notoriously difficult
    to give feedback to in any way that is likely to reach a human
    who can do something about it, so even if I think TurboTax is
    totally wrong here, it's unlikely that I can convince them to
    change the program to do things differently.

    As a workaround, we're taking the negative value from line
    4(a) and entering it as a positive value on line 4(b)
    ("Deductions") in the online W-4 forms provided by our
    employers. TurtoTax already put a value on that line, so we're
    just adding the value TurboTax wanted us to put as a negative
    on line 4(a) to the value already on line 4(b). What do people
    think about that as a viable workaround?

    Fill out a W-4 on paper. You know what the withholding allowances are
    worth. Put in the additional withholding you want on the separate line
    and give it to your payroll clerk.

    If you get any income from investment funds that are required to
    withhold, you can adjust withholding in one of these before the end of
    the year.

    If worst comes to worst, pay estimated taxes on January 15 although that
    won't apply to the safe harbor required in the earlier three quarters.
    There's still the option of filing From 2210, requesting a waiver of
    penalty and interest, with the tax return. I've done that. For small
    amounts IRS has let me slide.

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    << nor can it used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties >>
    << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. >>
    << >>
    << The Charter and the Guidelines for submitting posts >>
    << to this newsgroup as well as our anti-spamming policy >>
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