XPost: news.answers

Contents :
1 - Preamble
2 - Definition of NoCeM
3 - NoCeM or Cancel?
4 - Nocem issuers
5 - Descriptions and tips on existing nocems
6 - Conclusion
7 - References



1 - Preamble

This document, posted monthly, list the nocems currently published
on the "news.lists.filters" group.
It does not deal with nocems published in a local hierarchy.
The aim is to publicize existing general nocems so that server
administrators can decide which nocems they wish to apply or not.


2 - Definition

NoCeM (pronounced No See 'Em) is a modern solution for managing spam.

Rather than issuing a "cancel" on a spam message that most servers will
reject, we generate a message in the "news.lists.filters" group called
"nocem", which contain the message(s) to be deleted.

Each nocem is signed with a gpg key to guarantee its authenticity.

The manager of each server is free to apply these nocems or not,
unlike global cancels, nothing is imposed.



3 - NoCeM or Cancel?

- Using nocems requires the server administrator to modify its configuration
to accept them. Otherwise, the nocem does nothing on the server.
It's a simple text message.

- Cancel, on the other hand, is accepted by default by the server
configuration. It's up to the server administrator to modify his config
to refuse certain types of cancels. This is not always easy.

For example, the news.usenet.ovh server refuses cancels from miakibot
because of past abuse. But the server configuration had to be modified
for this. Servers with little administration or little knowledge of "fr" specificities generally keep the default config.

Reminder: general NoCeMs are published in news.lists.filters.



4 - Nocem issuers

- " bleachbot " (bleachbot@httrack.com) : The oldest and best-known

- " nocembot " (nocem@usenet.ovh) : The latest bot

- " nono le petit robot " (robot@pasdenom.info) : The atypical robot using
spamassasin

- " NoCeM ALPHANET big8 " (nocem-fr@alphanet.ch) : nocems.



5 - Descriptions et conseils sur les nocems existants


5.1 - " bleachbot "

Information : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/

Public key : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/bleachbot.asc

Types of nocems :
- spam : detection based on previously confirmed spam with BI>=20.
- site : flood and hipcrime detection.

Tip: Nocem has been a recognized source for years.
Recommended for use on all servers.

5.2 - " nocembot "

Information : http://usenet.ovh/?article=nocem

Public key : http://usenet.ovh/files/alfanet_0x5789E33A_public

Types of nocems :
- spam : spams and clearly malicious articles
- flood : well-known regular flooders

Tip: New public Nocems source since June 5, 2023
(previously restricted to the news.usenet.ovh server).
The website details what is filtered.
Recommended for use on all servers.



5.3 - " nono le petit robot "

Information : https://pasdenom.info/nocem.html

Public key : http://pasdenom.info/gpg/robot.pasdenom.asc

Types of nocems :
- spam : spams 99,99%
- spam2 : spams with rare false positives
- spam3 : spam with false positives
- spam4 : spams with slightly more false positives
- site : rare manual notices

Tip: these nocems are the result of the use of "spamassasin".
An effective product usually used to detect spam in e-mails.
Type "spam" nocems are reliable, the others generate false positives. Particularly spam3 and 4, which on certain forums such as fr.soc.politique could be seen as censorship.
The "site" nocem is used for abuse that is generally consensual.
Recommended use of "site" and "spam" nocems on all servers



5.4 - " NoCeM ALPHANET big8 "

Information : https://git.alphanet.ch/gitweb/?p=alphanet-faq;a=blob;f=alphanet/nocem-types

Public key : https://git.alphanet.ch/gitweb/?p=usenet-fr-faq;a=blob_plain;f=usenet/abus/d/NoCeM/pubkey/all;hb=HEAD

Types of nocems:
- spam : spam on big8 groups.

New, more or less curious types of nocems are published
(non-exhaustive list):
- cleanfeed-emp
- cleanfeed-too-many-newsgroups
- cleanfeed-binary-non-binary-distribution
- cleanfeed-hierarchy-violation--crosspost-outside-netscape
- cleanfeed-post-to-junk-newsgroup
- cleanfeed-hierarchy-violation--crosspost-outside-sdnet
- cleanfeed-bot-signature
- cleanfeed-hierarchy-violation--crosspost-outside-de.alt.dateien
note: many types of nocems (against mashed potatoes, ducks etc.) are only published on a french-speaking group and outside the scope of this document. Tip: As they stand, we strongly advise against using these nocems
because their content does not always correspond to the description
of this type of nocem.

For example, the SPAM type confuses "spam" with "flood".
Message-ID:
<nocem.ALPHANET.fr.20230607123506.28943.16@nocem.alphanet.ch>
or this nocem cancels a flood post <nocem.ALPHANET.fr.20230607123506.28943.16@nocem.alphanet.ch>
from a well-known flooder: " Socratis T.n.p".
There's also " Pentcho Valev ", " Lucrezio S " etc



6 - Conclusion

If you want to contribute to this document, you can reply directly
to this message (or by e-mail if you prefer).




7 - References:
- The NoCeM FAQ. V0.93: http://www.cm.org/faq.html
- Kleopatra: https://www.openpgp.org/software/kleopatra/
(certificate manager and GUI for GnuP)
- Global cancels: <news:m25ylayonf.fsf@raybanana.net>

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

XPost: news.answers

Contents :
1 - Preamble
2 - Definition of NoCeM
3 - NoCeM or Cancel?
4 - Nocem issuers
5 - Descriptions and tips on existing nocems
6 - Conclusion
7 - References



1 - Preamble

This document, posted monthly, list the nocems currently published
on the "news.lists.filters" group.
It does not deal with nocems published in a local hierarchy.
The aim is to publicize existing general nocems so that server
administrators can decide which nocems they wish to apply or not.


2 - Definition

NoCeM (pronounced No See 'Em) is a modern solution for managing spam.

Rather than issuing a "cancel" on a spam message that most servers will
reject, we generate a message in the "news.lists.filters" group called
"nocem", which contain the message(s) to be deleted.

Each nocem is signed with a gpg key to guarantee its authenticity.

The manager of each server is free to apply these nocems or not,
unlike global cancels, nothing is imposed.



3 - NoCeM or Cancel?

- Using nocems requires the server administrator to modify its configuration
to accept them. Otherwise, the nocem does nothing on the server.
It's a simple text message.

- Cancel, on the other hand, is accepted by default by the server
configuration. It's up to the server administrator to modify his config
to refuse certain types of cancels. This is not always easy.

For example, the news.usenet.ovh server refuses cancels from miakibot
because of past abuse. But the server configuration had to be modified
for this. Servers with little administration or little knowledge of "fr" specificities generally keep the default config.

Reminder: general NoCeMs are published in news.lists.filters.



4 - Nocem issuers

- " bleachbot " (bleachbot@httrack.com) : The oldest and best-known

- " nocembot " (nocem@usenet.ovh) : One of the latest bot

- nocem@eternal-september.org : The latest bot

- " nono le petit robot " (robot@pasdenom.info) : The atypical robot using
spamassasin




5 - Descriptions et conseils sur les nocems existants


5.1 - " bleachbot "

Information : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/

Public key : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/bleachbot.asc

Types of nocems :
- spam : detection based on previously confirmed spam with BI>=20.
- site : flood and hipcrime detection.

Tip: Nocem has been a recognized source for years.
Recommended for use on all servers.

5.2 - " nocembot "

Information : http://usenet.ovh/?article=nocem

Public key : http://usenet.ovh/files/alfanet_0x5789E33A_public

Types of nocems :
- spam : spams and clearly malicious articles
- flood : well-known regular flooders

Tip: New public Nocems source since June 5, 2023
(previously restricted to the news.usenet.ovh server).
The website details what is filtered.
Recommended for use on all servers.


5.3 - nocem@eternal-september.org

Information :

Public key : : https://www.eternal-september.org/nocem-eternal-september.asc

Les types de nocems :
- spam : drugs/meds/cards

Tip : New public Nocems source since septembre 25, 2023
Recommended for use on all servers.




5.4 - " nono le petit robot "

Information : https://pasdenom.info/nocem.html

Public key : http://pasdenom.info/gpg/robot.pasdenom.asc

Types of nocems :
- spam : spams 99,99%
- spam2 : spams with rare false positives
- spam3 : spam with false positives
- spam4 : spams with slightly more false positives
- site : rare manual notices

Tip: these nocems are the result of the use of "spamassasin".
An effective product usually used to detect spam in e-mails.
Type "spam" nocems are reliable, the others generate false positives. Particularly spam3 and 4, which on certain forums such as fr.soc.politique could be seen as censorship.
The "site" nocem is used for abuse that is generally consensual.
Recommended use of "site" and "spam" nocems on all servers



6 - Conclusion

If you want to contribute to this document, you can reply directly
to this message (or by e-mail if you prefer).




7 - References:
- The NoCeM FAQ. V0.93: http://www.cm.org/faq.html
- Kleopatra: https://www.openpgp.org/software/kleopatra/
(certificate manager and GUI for GnuP)
- Global cancels: <news:m25ylayonf.fsf@raybanana.net>

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Le 01/10/2023 à 08:47, "faq" aka "La Libre Parole" a écrit :

Contents :

LLP is a troll and no one should believe what is said in this pseudo FAQ
which he debated with no one but himself.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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Eric M a utilisé son clavier pour écrire :

Le 01/10/2023 à 08:47, "faq" aka "La Libre Parole" a écrit :

Contents :

LLP is a troll and no one should believe what is said in this pseudo FAQ which he debated with no one but himself.

Welcome to troll Eric M, well known in the fr hierarchy :-(

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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XPost: news.answers

Contents :
1 - Preamble
2 - Definition of NoCeM
3 - NoCeM or Cancel?
4 - Nocem issuers
5 - Descriptions and tips on existing nocems
6 - Conclusion
7 - References



1 - Preamble

This document, posted monthly, list the nocems currently published
on the "news.lists.filters" group.
It does not deal with nocems published in a local hierarchy.
The aim is to publicize existing general nocems so that server
administrators can decide which nocems they wish to apply or not.


2 - Definition

NoCeM (pronounced No See 'Em) is a modern solution for managing spam.

Rather than issuing a "cancel" on a spam message that most servers will
reject, we generate a message in the "news.lists.filters" group called
"nocem", which contain the message(s) to be deleted.

Each nocem is signed with a gpg key to guarantee its authenticity.

The manager of each server is free to apply these nocems or not,
unlike global cancels, nothing is imposed.



3 - NoCeM or Cancel?

- Using nocems requires the server administrator to modify its configuration
to accept them. Otherwise, the nocem does nothing on the server.
It's a simple text message.

- Cancel, on the other hand, is accepted by default by the server
configuration. It's up to the server administrator to modify his config
to refuse certain types of cancels. This is not always easy.

For example, the news.usenet.ovh server refuses cancels from miakibot
because of past abuse. But the server configuration had to be modified
for this. Servers with little administration or little knowledge of "fr" specificities generally keep the default config.

Reminder: general NoCeMs are published in news.lists.filters.



4 - Nocem issuers

- " bleachbot " <bleachbot@httrack.com>

- " nocembot " <nocem@usenet.ovh>

- <nocem@eternal-september.org>

- " nono le petit robot " <robot@pasdenom.info>

- " i2pn2-nocem " <i2pn2-nocem@i2pn2.org>

- "news.chmurka.net nocembot" <nocem@chmurka.net>




5 - Descriptions et conseils sur les nocems existants


5.1 - " bleachbot "

Information : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/

Public key : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/bleachbot.asc

Types of nocems :
- spam : detection based on previously confirmed spam with BI>=20.
- site : flood and hipcrime detection.

Tip: Nocem has been a recognized source for years.
Recommended for use on all servers.

5.2 - " nocembot "

Information : http://usenet.ovh/?article=nocem

Public key : http://usenet.ovh/files/alfanet_0x5789E33A_public

Types of nocems :
- spam : spams and clearly malicious articles
- flood : well-known regular flooders

Tip: New public Nocems source since June 5, 2023
(previously restricted to the news.usenet.ovh server).
The website details what is filtered.
Recommended for use on all servers.


5.3 - nocem@eternal-september.org

Information : https://www.eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=nocem

Public key : : https://www.eternal-september.org/nocem-eternal-september.asc

Les types de nocems :
- spam : drugs/meds/cards/casino from GoogleGroups
- bot : bot generated pseudo discussions from various sources
(currently from Abavia).


Tip : New public Nocems source since septembre 25, 2023
Recommended use of on all servers.


5.4 - " nono le petit robot "

Information : https://pasdenom.info/nocem.html

Public key : http://pasdenom.info/gpg/robot.pasdenom.asc

Types of nocems :
- spam : spams 99,99%
- spam2 : spams with rare false positives
- spam3 : spam with false positives
- spam4 : spams with slightly more false positives
- site : rare manual notices

Tip: these nocems are the result of the use of "spamassasin".
An effective product usually used to detect spam in e-mails.
Type "spam" nocems are reliable, the others generate false positives. Particularly spam3 and 4, which on certain forums such as fr.soc.politique could be seen as censorship.
The "site" nocem is used for abuse that is generally consensual.
Recommended use of "site" and "spam" nocems on all servers



5.5 - " i2pn2-nocem " <i2pn2-nocem@i2pn2.org>

Information : ?

Public key : https://www.novabbs.com/hierarchy/i2pn2-nocem.txt

Types of nocems :
- spam : Utilise spamassassin pour détecter les psams de toutes les hierarchies.

Tip : Not enough information to give advice.



5.6 - "news.chmurka.net nocembot" <nocem@chmurka.net>

Information : http://news.chmurka.net/nocem.php

Public key : http://news.chmurka.net/nocem-chmurka.asc

Types of nocems :
- thai : NoCeM notice for Thai flood originating from Google Groups.

Tip : Not enough information to give advice.




6 - Conclusion

If you want to contribute to this document, you can reply directly
to this message (or by e-mail if you prefer).




7 - References:
- The NoCeM FAQ. V0.93: http://www.cm.org/faq.html
- Kleopatra: https://www.openpgp.org/software/kleopatra/
(certificate manager and GUI for GnuP)
- Global cancels: <news:m25ylayonf.fsf@raybanana.net>

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Le 01/11/2023 à 18:53, "faq" a écrit :

For example, the news.usenet.ovh server refuses cancels from miakibot
because of past abuse.

This is false, you just hate the maintainer of the miakibot because he was hosted by Alphanet that you destroyed.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Le 01/11/2023 à 19:26, llp a écrit :

I can produce the list of more than 4000 past abusive cancels of the
miakibot on judicial requisition.

I can produce a list of your rogue cancels of my messages on
fr.usenet.abus.d, did you tell that to everyone ?

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Dans son message précédent, Eric M a écrit :

Le 01/11/2023 à 19:26, llp a écrit :

I can produce the list of more than 4000 past abusive cancels of the
miakibot on judicial requisition.

I can produce a list of your rogue cancels of my messages on fr.usenet.abus.d, did you tell that to everyone ?

Lie
Another one from you.

But you were "the masked avenger" who deleted messages from a member
of "fufa" (the committee that manages groups creation/deletion
requests in the fr hierarchy).

In fact you are not only a troll, you are a malicious person :-(

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Le 01/11/2023 à 19:48, llp a écrit :

In fact you are not only a troll, you are a malicious person :-(

So you can confirm that this FAQ, which is not even a FAQ because no one
asked you any question as you don't know anything about usenet, is just a
way to destroy some people's reputation, especially Marc Schaefer* and
Olivier Miakinen, who can't defend themselves because they don't read this group ?

I let the readers of this group judge, maybe they don't care, but maybe
they use your NoCems or believe you but one day they will find out what a
bad person you are. EOT.

*Who made better FAQs BTW.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Eric M avait soumis l'idée :

Le 01/11/2023 à 18:53, "faq" a écrit :

For example, the news.usenet.ovh server refuses cancels from miakibot
because of past abuse.

This is false,

I can produce the list of more than 4000 past abusive cancels of the
miakibot on judicial requisition.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

XPost: news.answers

Contents :
1 - Preamble
2 - Definition of NoCeM
3 - NoCeM or Cancel?
4 - Nocem issuers
5 - Descriptions and tips on existing nocems
6 - Conclusion
7 - References



1 - Preamble

This document, posted monthly, list the nocems currently published
on the "news.lists.filters" group.
It does not deal with nocems published in a local hierarchy.
The aim is to publicize existing general nocems so that server
administrators can decide which nocems they wish to apply or not.


2 - Definition

NoCeM (pronounced No See 'Em) is a modern solution for managing spam.

Rather than issuing a "cancel" on a spam message that most servers will
reject, we generate a message in the "news.lists.filters" group called
"nocem", which contain the message(s) to be deleted.

Each nocem is signed with a gpg key to guarantee its authenticity.

The manager of each server is free to apply these nocems or not,
unlike global cancels, nothing is imposed.



3 - NoCeM or Cancel?

- Using nocems requires the server administrator to modify its configuration
to accept them. Otherwise, the nocem does nothing on the server.
It's a simple text message.

- Cancel, on the other hand, is accepted by default by the server
configuration. It's up to the server administrator to modify his config
to refuse certain types of cancels. This is not always easy.

For example, the news.usenet.ovh server refuses cancels from miakibot
because of past abuse. But the server configuration had to be modified
for this. Servers with little administration or little knowledge of "fr" specificities generally keep the default config.

Reminder: general NoCeMs are published in news.lists.filters.



4 - Nocem issuers

- " bleachbot " <bleachbot@httrack.com>

- " nocembot " <nocem@usenet.ovh>

- <nocem@eternal-september.org>

- " nono le petit robot " <robot@pasdenom.info>

- " i2pn2-nocem " <i2pn2-nocem@i2pn2.org>

- "news.chmurka.net nocembot" <nocem@chmurka.net>




5 - Descriptions et conseils sur les nocems existants


5.1 - " bleachbot "

Information : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/

Public key : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/bleachbot.asc

Types of nocems :
- spam : detection based on previously confirmed spam with BI>=20.
- site : flood and hipcrime detection.

Tip: Nocem has been a recognized source for years.
Recommended for use on all servers.

5.2 - " nocembot "

Information : http://usenet.ovh/?article=nocem

Public key : http://usenet.ovh/files/alfanet_0x5789E33A_public

Types of nocems :
- spam : spams and clearly malicious articles
- flood : well-known regular flooders

Tip: New public Nocems source since June 5, 2023
(previously restricted to the news.usenet.ovh server).
The website details what is filtered.
Recommended for use on all servers.


5.3 - nocem@eternal-september.org

Information : https://www.eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=nocem

Public key : : https://www.eternal-september.org/nocem-eternal-september.asc

Les types de nocems :
- spam : drugs/meds/cards/casino from GoogleGroups
- bot : bot generated pseudo discussions from various sources
(currently from Abavia).


Tip : New public Nocems source since septembre 25, 2023
Recommended use of on all servers.


5.4 - " nono le petit robot "

Information : https://pasdenom.info/nocem.html

Public key : http://pasdenom.info/gpg/robot.pasdenom.asc

Types of nocems :
- spam : spams 99,99%
- spam2 : spams with rare false positives
- spam3 : spam with false positives
- spam4 : spams with slightly more false positives
- site : rare manual notices

Tip: these nocems are the result of the use of "spamassasin".
An effective product usually used to detect spam in e-mails.
Type "spam" nocems are reliable, the others generate false positives. Particularly spam3 and 4, which on certain forums such as fr.soc.politique could be seen as censorship.
The "site" nocem is used for abuse that is generally consensual.
Recommended use of "site" and "spam" nocems on all servers



5.5 - " i2pn2-nocem " <i2pn2-nocem@i2pn2.org>

Information : ?

Public key : https://www.novabbs.com/hierarchy/i2pn2-nocem.txt

Types of nocems :
- spam : Utilise spamassassin pour détecter les psams de toutes les hierarchies.

Tip : Not enough information to give advice.



5.6 - "news.chmurka.net nocembot" <nocem@chmurka.net>

Information : http://news.chmurka.net/nocem.php

Public key : http://news.chmurka.net/nocem-chmurka.asc

Types of nocems :
- thai : NoCeM notice for Thai flood originating from Google Groups.

Tip : Not enough information to give advice.




6 - Conclusion

If you want to contribute to this document, you can reply directly
to this message (or by e-mail if you prefer).




7 - References:
- The NoCeM FAQ. V0.93: http://www.cm.org/faq.html
- Kleopatra: https://www.openpgp.org/software/kleopatra/
(certificate manager and GUI for GnuP)
- Global cancels: <news:m25ylayonf.fsf@raybanana.net>

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

XPost: news.answers

Contents :
1 - Preamble
2 - Definition of NoCeM
3 - NoCeM or Cancel?
4 - Nocem issuers
5 - Descriptions and tips on existing nocems
6 - Conclusion
7 - References



1 - Preamble

This document, posted monthly, list the nocems currently published
on the "news.lists.filters" group.
It does not deal with nocems published in a local hierarchy.
The aim is to publicize existing general nocems so that server
administrators can decide which nocems they wish to apply or not.


2 - Definition

NoCeM (pronounced No See 'Em) is a modern solution for managing spam.

Rather than issuing a "cancel" on a spam message that most servers will
reject, we generate a message in the "news.lists.filters" group called
"nocem", which contain the message(s) to be deleted.

Each nocem is signed with a gpg key to guarantee its authenticity.

The manager of each server is free to apply these nocems or not,
unlike global cancels, nothing is imposed.



3 - NoCeM or Cancel?

- Using nocems requires the server administrator to modify its configuration
to accept them. Otherwise, the nocem does nothing on the server.
It's a simple text message.

- Cancel, on the other hand, is accepted by default by the server
configuration. It's up to the server administrator to modify his config
to refuse certain types of cancels. This is not always easy.

For example, the news.usenet.ovh server refuses cancels from miakibot
because of past abuse. But the server configuration had to be modified
for this. Servers with little administration or little knowledge of "fr" specificities generally keep the default config.

Reminder: general NoCeMs are published in news.lists.filters.



4 - Nocem issuers

- " bleachbot " <bleachbot@httrack.com>

- " nocembot " <nocem@usenet.ovh>

- <nocem@eternal-september.org>

- " nono le petit robot " <robot@pasdenom.info>

- " i2pn2-nocem " <i2pn2-nocem@i2pn2.org>

- "news.chmurka.net nocembot" <nocem@chmurka.net>




5 - Descriptions et conseils sur les nocems existants


5.1 - " bleachbot "

Information : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/

Public key : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/bleachbot.asc

Types of nocems :
- spam : detection based on previously confirmed spam with BI>=20.
- site : flood and hipcrime detection.

Tip: Nocem has been a recognized source for years.
Recommended for use on all servers.

5.2 - " nocembot "

Information : http://usenet.ovh/?article=nocem

Public key : http://usenet.ovh/files/alfanet_0x5789E33A_public

Types of nocems :
- spam : spams and clearly malicious articles
- flood : well-known regular flooders

Tip: New public Nocems source since June 5, 2023
(previously restricted to the news.usenet.ovh server).
The website details what is filtered.
Recommended for use on all servers.


5.3 - nocem@eternal-september.org

Information : https://www.eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=nocem

Public key : : https://www.eternal-september.org/nocem-eternal-september.asc

Les types de nocems :
- spam : drugs/meds/cards/casino from GoogleGroups
- bot : bot generated pseudo discussions from various sources
(currently from Abavia).

Tip : New public Nocems source since septembre 25, 2023
Recommended use of on all servers.


5.4 - " nono le petit robot "

Information : https://pasdenom.info/nocem.html

Public key : http://pasdenom.info/gpg/robot.pasdenom.asc

Types of nocems :
- spam : spams 99,99%
- spam2 : spams with rare false positives
- spam3 : spam with false positives
- spam4 : spams with slightly more false positives
- site : rare manual notices

Tip: these nocems are the result of the use of "spamassasin".
An effective product usually used to detect spam in e-mails.
Type "spam" nocems are reliable, the others generate false positives. Particularly spam3 and 4, which on certain forums such as fr.soc.politique could be seen as censorship.
The "site" nocem is used for abuse that is generally consensual.
Recommended use of "site" and "spam" nocems on all servers



5.5 - " i2pn2-nocem " <i2pn2-nocem@i2pn2.org>

Information : ?

Public key : https://www.novabbs.com/hierarchy/i2pn2-nocem.txt

Types of nocems :
- spam : These bot-spam NoCeM notices may cover any hierarchy and
are automatically generated by a spamassassin script.

Tip : Recommended use of on all servers.



5.6 - "news.chmurka.net nocembot" <nocem@chmurka.net>

Information : http://news.chmurka.net/nocem.php

Public key : http://news.chmurka.net/nocem-chmurka.asc

Types of nocems :
- thai : NoCeM notice for Thai flood originating from Google Groups.

Tip : Not enough information to give advice.




6 - Conclusion

If you want to contribute to this document, you can reply directly
to this message (or by e-mail if you prefer).



7 - References:
- The NoCeM FAQ. V0.93: http://www.cm.org/faq.html
- Kleopatra: https://www.openpgp.org/software/kleopatra/
(certificate manager and GUI for GnuP)
- Global cancels: <news:m25ylayonf.fsf@raybanana.net>

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 18:31:01 -0000 (UTC), "faq" <faq@usenet.ovh> wrote: >Contents :

1 - Preamble
2 - Definition of NoCeM
3 - NoCeM or Cancel?
4 - Nocem issuers
5 - Descriptions and tips on existing nocems
6 - Conclusion
7 - References

snip

- spam : drugs/meds/cards/casino from GoogleGroups
...
- thai : NoCeM notice for Thai flood originating from Google Groups.

guesstimate . . .

22 february 2024 02:14:14 am (074w00:11,40n44:29; jd 2460362.80155)
21 february 2024 11:14:14 pm (122w05:02,37n25:18; jd 2460362.80155)

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Contents :
1 - Preamble
2 - Definition of NoCeM
3 - NoCeM or Cancel?
4 - Nocem issuers
5 - Descriptions and tips on existing nocems
6 - Conclusion
7 - References



1 - Preamble

This document, posted monthly, list the nocems currently published
on the "news.lists.filters" group.
It does not deal with nocems published in a local hierarchy.
The aim is to publicize existing general nocems so that server
administrators can decide which nocems they wish to apply or not.


2 - Definition

NoCeM (pronounced No See 'Em) is a modern solution for managing spam.

Rather than issuing a "cancel" on a spam message that most servers will
reject, we generate a message in the "news.lists.filters" group called
"nocem", which contain the message(s) to be deleted.

Each nocem is signed with a gpg key to guarantee its authenticity.

The manager of each server is free to apply these nocems or not,
unlike global cancels, nothing is imposed.



3 - NoCeM or Cancel?

- Using nocems requires the server administrator to modify its configuration
to accept them. Otherwise, the nocem does nothing on the server.
It's a simple text message.

- Cancel, on the other hand, is accepted by default by the server
configuration. It's up to the server administrator to modify his config
to refuse certain types of cancels. This is not always easy for servers
with little administration or little knowledge of "fr" specificities.

Reminder: general NoCeMs are published in news.lists.filters.



4 - Nocem issuers

- " bleachbot " <bleachbot@httrack.com>

- " nocembot " <nocem@usenet.ovh>

- <nocem@eternal-september.org>

- " nono le petit robot " <robot@pasdenom.info>

- " i2pn2-nocem " <i2pn2-nocem@i2pn2.org>

- "news.chmurka.net nocembot" <nocem@chmurka.net>




5 - Descriptions et conseils sur les nocems existants


5.1 - " bleachbot "

Information : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/

Public key : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/bleachbot.asc

Types of nocems :
- spam : detection based on previously confirmed spam with BI>=20.
- site : flood and hipcrime detection.

Tip: Nocem has been a recognized source for years.
Recommended for use on all servers.

This robot seems to have stopped since January 1, 2024


5.2 - " nocembot "

Information : http://usenet.ovh/?article=nocem

Public key : http://usenet.ovh/files/alfanet_0x5789E33A_public

Types of nocems :
- spam : spams and clearly malicious articles
- flood : well-known regular flooders

Tip: New public Nocems source since June 5, 2023
(previously restricted to the news.usenet.ovh server).
The website details what is filtered.
Recommended for use on all servers.


5.3 - nocem@eternal-september.org

Information : https://www.eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=nocem

Public key : : https://www.eternal-september.org/nocem-eternal-september.asc

Les types de nocems :
- spam : drugs/meds/cards/casino from GoogleGroups
- bot : bot generated pseudo discussions from various sources
(currently from Abavia).

Tip : New public Nocems source since septembre 25, 2023
Recommended use of on all servers.


5.4 - " nono le petit robot "

Information : https://pasdenom.info/nocem.html

Public key : http://pasdenom.info/gpg/robot.pasdenom.asc

Types of nocems :
- spam : spams 99,99%
- spam2 : spams with rare false positives
- spam3 : spam with false positives
- spam4 : spams with slightly more false positives
- site : rare manual notices

Tip: these nocems are the result of the use of "spamassasin".
An effective product usually used to detect spam in emails.
Here, the sample used to train the robot to detect spam seems
to be poorly done: too much false positives for spam.
Other types of nocem generate inappropriate false positives.
In particular spam3 and 4, which on some forums, such as fr.soc.politique, could be seen as censorship.
The "site" nocem is used for abuse that is generally consensual.




5.5 - " i2pn2-nocem " <i2pn2-nocem@i2pn2.org>

Information : ?

Public key : https://www.novabbs.com/hierarchy/i2pn2-nocem.txt

Types of nocems :
- spam : These bot-spam NoCeM notices may cover any hierarchy and
are automatically generated by a spamassassin script.

Tip : Recommended use of on all servers.



5.6 - "news.chmurka.net nocembot" <nocem@chmurka.net>

Information : http://news.chmurka.net/nocem.php

Public key : http://news.chmurka.net/nocem-chmurka.asc

Types of nocems :
- thai : NoCeM notice for Thai flood originating from Google Groups.

Tip : Recommended use of on all servers.




6 - Conclusion

If you want to contribute to this document, you can reply directly
to this message (or by e-mail if you prefer).



7 - References:
- The NoCeM FAQ. V0.93: http://www.cm.org/faq.html
- Kleopatra: https://www.openpgp.org/software/kleopatra/
(certificate manager and GUI for GnuP)
- Global cancels: <news:m25ylayonf.fsf@raybanana.net>

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Sat, 02 Mar 24 18:08:20 +0000, Eric M wrote:

Le 01/03/2024 à 23:46, "faq" a écrit :

Here, the sample used to train the robot to detect spam seems
to be poorly done: too much false positives for spam.
Other types of nocem generate inappropriate false positives.
In particular spam3 and 4, which on some forums, such as fr.soc.politique, >> could be seen as censorship.

Personnal attacks again in a so called "DOC".

How is expressing an observation a personal attack? It's actually quite politely worded, avoiding any accusations.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 22:46:16 -0000 (UTC), "faq" <faq@usenet.ovh> wrote: >Contents :

1 - Preamble
2 - Definition of NoCeM
3 - NoCeM or Cancel?
4 - Nocem issuers
5 - Descriptions and tips on existing nocems
6 - Conclusion
7 - References
1 - Preamble
This document, posted monthly, list the nocems currently published
on the "news.lists.filters" group.
It does not deal with nocems published in a local hierarchy.
The aim is to publicize existing general nocems so that server
administrators can decide which nocems they wish to apply or not.
2 - Definition
NoCeM (pronounced No See 'Em) is a modern solution for managing spam.
Rather than issuing a "cancel" on a spam message that most servers will >reject, we generate a message in the "news.lists.filters" group called >"nocem", which contain the message(s) to be deleted.
Each nocem is signed with a gpg key to guarantee its authenticity.
The manager of each server is free to apply these nocems or not,
unlike global cancels, nothing is imposed.
3 - NoCeM or Cancel?
- Using nocems requires the server administrator to modify its configuration
to accept them. Otherwise, the nocem does nothing on the server.
It's a simple text message.
- Cancel, on the other hand, is accepted by default by the server
configuration. It's up to the server administrator to modify his config
to refuse certain types of cancels. This is not always easy for servers
with little administration or little knowledge of "fr" specificities.
Reminder: general NoCeMs are published in news.lists.filters.
4 - Nocem issuers
- " bleachbot " <bleachbot@httrack.com>
- " nocembot " <nocem@usenet.ovh>
- <nocem@eternal-september.org>
- " nono le petit robot " <robot@pasdenom.info>
- " i2pn2-nocem " <i2pn2-nocem@i2pn2.org>
- "news.chmurka.net nocembot" <nocem@chmurka.net>
5 - Descriptions et conseils sur les nocems existants
5.1 - " bleachbot "
Information : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/
Public key : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/bleachbot.asc
Types of nocems :
- spam : detection based on previously confirmed spam with BI>=20.
- site : flood and hipcrime detection.
Tip: Nocem has been a recognized source for years.
Recommended for use on all servers.
This robot seems to have stopped since January 1, 2024
5.2 - " nocembot "
Information : http://usenet.ovh/?article=nocem
Public key : http://usenet.ovh/files/alfanet_0x5789E33A_public
Types of nocems :
- spam : spams and clearly malicious articles
- flood : well-known regular flooders
Tip: New public Nocems source since June 5, 2023
(previously restricted to the news.usenet.ovh server).
The website details what is filtered.
Recommended for use on all servers.
5.3 - nocem@eternal-september.org
Information : https://www.eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=nocem >Public key : : https://www.eternal-september.org/nocem-eternal-september.asc >Les types de nocems :
- spam : drugs/meds/cards/casino from GoogleGroups
- bot : bot generated pseudo discussions from various sources
(currently from Abavia).
Tip : New public Nocems source since septembre 25, 2023
Recommended use of on all servers.
5.4 - " nono le petit robot "
Information : https://pasdenom.info/nocem.html
Public key : http://pasdenom.info/gpg/robot.pasdenom.asc
Types of nocems :
- spam : spams 99,99%
- spam2 : spams with rare false positives
- spam3 : spam with false positives
- spam4 : spams with slightly more false positives
- site : rare manual notices
Tip: these nocems are the result of the use of "spamassasin".
An effective product usually used to detect spam in emails.
Here, the sample used to train the robot to detect spam seems
to be poorly done: too much false positives for spam.
Other types of nocem generate inappropriate false positives.
In particular spam3 and 4, which on some forums, such as fr.soc.politique, >could be seen as censorship.
The "site" nocem is used for abuse that is generally consensual.
5.5 - " i2pn2-nocem " <i2pn2-nocem@i2pn2.org>
Information : ?
Public key : https://www.novabbs.com/hierarchy/i2pn2-nocem.txt
Types of nocems :
- spam : These bot-spam NoCeM notices may cover any hierarchy and
are automatically generated by a spamassassin script.
Tip : Recommended use of on all servers.
5.6 - "news.chmurka.net nocembot" <nocem@chmurka.net>
Information : http://news.chmurka.net/nocem.php
Public key : http://news.chmurka.net/nocem-chmurka.asc
Types of nocems :
- thai : NoCeM notice for Thai flood originating from Google Groups.
Tip : Recommended use of on all servers.
6 - Conclusion
If you want to contribute to this document, you can reply directly
to this message (or by e-mail if you prefer).
7 - References:
- The NoCeM FAQ. V0.93: http://www.cm.org/faq.html
- Kleopatra: https://www.openpgp.org/software/kleopatra/
(certificate manager and GUI for GnuP)
- Global cancels: <news:m25ylayonf.fsf@raybanana.net>

is there some reason why this particularly active newsgroup "fr.soc.politique" (e.g. paganini.bofh.team shows 3003421, news.blueworldhosting.com has 4279506) has attracted so much discussion among news server administrators in this and other newsgroups? seems like a reasonable question to ask, but perhaps not so easy to answer, enquiring minds want to know . . . is it political? forbidden?

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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Contents :
1 - Preamble
2 - Definition of NoCeM
3 - NoCeM or Cancel?
4 - Nocem issuers
5 - Descriptions and tips on existing nocems
6 - Conclusion
7 - References



1 - Preamble

This document, posted monthly, list the nocems currently published
on the "news.lists.filters" group.
It does not deal with nocems published in a local hierarchy.
The aim is to publicize existing general nocems so that server
administrators can decide which nocems they wish to apply or not.


2 - Definition

NoCeM (pronounced No See 'Em) is a modern solution for managing spam.

Rather than issuing a "cancel" on a spam message that most servers will
reject, we generate a message in the "news.lists.filters" group called
"nocem", which contain the message(s) to be deleted.

Each nocem is signed with a gpg key to guarantee its authenticity.

The manager of each server is free to apply these nocems or not,
unlike global cancels, nothing is imposed.



3 - NoCeM or Cancel?

- Using nocems requires the server administrator to modify its configuration
to accept them. Otherwise, the nocem does nothing on the server.
It's a simple text message.

- Cancel, on the other hand, is accepted by default by the server
configuration. It's up to the server administrator to modify his config
to refuse certain types of cancels. This is not always easy for servers
with little administration or little knowledge of "fr" specificities.

Reminder: general NoCeMs are published in news.lists.filters.



4 - Nocem issuers

- " bleachbot " <bleachbot@httrack.com>

- " nocembot " <nocem@usenet.ovh>

- <nocem@eternal-september.org>

- " nono le petit robot " <robot@pasdenom.info>

- " i2pn2-nocem " <i2pn2-nocem@i2pn2.org>

- "news.chmurka.net nocembot" <nocem@chmurka.net>




5 - Descriptions and tips for existing nocems


5.1 - " bleachbot "

Information : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/

Public key : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/bleachbot.asc

Types of nocems :
- spam : detection based on previously confirmed spam with BI>=20.
- site : flood and hipcrime detection.

Tip: Nocem has been a recognized source for years.
Recommended for use on all servers.

This robot seems to have stopped since January 1, 2024


5.2 - " nocembot "

Information : http://usenet.ovh/?article=nocem

Public key : http://usenet.ovh/files/alfanet_0x5789E33A_public

Types of nocems :
- spam : spams and clearly malicious articles
- flood : well-known regular flooders

Tip: New public Nocems source since June 5, 2023
(previously restricted to the news.usenet.ovh server).
The website details what is filtered.
Recommended for use on all servers.


5.3 - nocem@eternal-september.org

Information : https://www.eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=nocem

Public key : : https://www.eternal-september.org/nocem-eternal-september.asc

Les types de nocems :
- spam : drugs/meds/cards/casino from GoogleGroups
- bot : bot generated pseudo discussions from various sources
(currently from Abavia).

Tip : New public Nocems source since septembre 25, 2023
Recommended use of on all servers.


5.4 - " nono le petit robot "

Information : https://pasdenom.info/nocem.html

Public key : http://pasdenom.info/gpg/robot.pasdenom.asc

Types of nocems :
- spam : spams 99,99%
- spam2 : spams with rare false positives
- spam3 : spam with false positives
- spam4 : spams with slightly more false positives
- site : rare manual notices

Tip: these nocems are the result of the use of "spamassasin".
An effective product usually used to detect spam in emails.
Here, the sample used to train the robot to detect spam seems
to be poorly done: too much false positives for spam.
Other types of nocem generate inappropriate false positives.
In particular spam3 and 4, which on some forums, such as fr.soc.politique, could be seen as censorship.
The "site" nocem is used for abuse that is generally consensual.




5.5 - " i2pn2-nocem " <i2pn2-nocem@i2pn2.org>

Information : ?

Public key : https://www.novabbs.com/hierarchy/i2pn2-nocem.txt

Types of nocems :
- spam : These bot-spam NoCeM notices may cover any hierarchy and
are automatically generated by a spamassassin script.

Tip : Recommended use of on all servers.



5.6 - "news.chmurka.net nocembot" <nocem@chmurka.net>

Information : http://news.chmurka.net/nocem.php

Public key : http://news.chmurka.net/nocem-chmurka.asc

Types of nocems :
- thai : NoCeM notice for Thai flood originating from Google Groups.

Tip : Recommended use of on all servers.




6 - Conclusion

If you want to contribute to this document, you can reply directly
to this message (or by e-mail if you prefer).



7 - References:
- The NoCeM FAQ. V0.93: http://www.cm.org/faq.html
- Kleopatra: https://www.openpgp.org/software/kleopatra/
(certificate manager and GUI for GnuP)
- Global cancels: <news:m25ylayonf.fsf@raybanana.net>

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

faq <faq@usenet.ovh> wrote:

Contents :
1 - Preamble
2 - Definition of NoCeM
3 - NoCeM or Cancel?
4 - Nocem issuers
5 - Descriptions and tips on existing nocems
6 - Conclusion
7 - References

. . .

The manager of each server is free to apply these nocems or not,
unlike global cancels, nothing is imposed.

Oh, c'mon. Don't put statements in a document meant to be taken
seriously expressing the personal opinion of a certain party that is
unique among all of Usenet server administration.

That those two French News servers weren't configured to reject all
cancel messages was a decision made by their News administrators.

Accepting or rejecting control messages is a matter of how a News
server is configured, never an "imposition". News administrators run
Usenet, not parties issuing control messages.

Please use the term "News administrator", noting the capitalization.
They aren't managers.

. . .

3 - NoCeM or Cancel?

- Using nocems requires the server administrator to modify its configuration >to accept them. Otherwise, the nocem does nothing on the server.
It's a simple text message.

- Cancel, on the other hand, is accepted by default by the server >configuration. It's up to the server administrator to modify his config
to refuse certain types of cancels. This is not always easy for servers
with little administration or little knowledge of "fr" specificities.

Yes. Configuring a News server to meet the needs of the users being
supported is a basic part of News administration. If one lacks such
knowledge, then one learns how to do these things.

I'm declaring the cron job posting this FAQ an instance of trolling.
I'll shut the fuck up now so as not to further troll feed.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Adam H. Kerman a présenté l'énoncé suivant :

faq <faq@usenet.ovh> wrote:

Contents :
1 - Preamble
2 - Definition of NoCeM
3 - NoCeM or Cancel?
4 - Nocem issuers
5 - Descriptions and tips on existing nocems
6 - Conclusion
7 - References

. . .

The manager of each server is free to apply these nocems or not,
unlike global cancels, nothing is imposed.

Oh, c'mon. Don't put statements in a document meant to be taken
seriously expressing the personal opinion of a certain party that is
unique among all of Usenet server administration.

That those two French News servers weren't configured to reject all
cancel messages was a decision made by their News administrators.

Maybe yes, maybe no.
Who's to say that all admins running inn2 servers with versions lower
than 2.7 know that they accept all cancels ?
Some have discovered this through past abuse.

Accepting or rejecting control messages is a matter of how a News
server is configured, never an "imposition". News administrators run
Usenet, not parties issuing control messages.

inn's default configuration means that nocems do nothing and cancels
(even abusive ones) are accepted. This is a fact.
I saw it for myself when I created my server.
Other admins have learned this too and have forbidden this type of
cancel on their servers. But are other admins aware of this (outside
the fr hierarchy, where this type of behavior has been frequent) ?
I don't know, and that's why I think it's worth mentioning.
We can certainly improve the faq, you can help.

Please use the term "News administrator", noting the capitalization.
They aren't managers.

English is not my native langage.
I'll note your suggestion for the next issue.

Sincerely

--
Admin of news.usenet.ovh

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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XPost: news.answers

Contents :
1 - Preamble
2 - Definition of NoCeM
3 - NoCeM or Cancel?
4 - Nocem issuers
5 - Descriptions and tips on existing nocems
6 - Conclusion
7 - References



1 - Preamble

This document, posted monthly, list the nocems currently published
on the "news.lists.filters" group.
It does not deal with nocems published in a local hierarchy.
The aim is to publicize existing general nocems so that server
administrators can decide which nocems they wish to apply or not.


2 - Definition

NoCeM (pronounced No See 'Em) is a modern solution for managing spam.

Rather than issuing a "cancel" on a spam message that most servers will
reject, we generate a message in the "news.lists.filters" group called
"nocem", which contain the message(s) to be deleted.

Each nocem is signed with a gpg key to guarantee its authenticity.

The News administrators of each server is free to apply these nocems or not, unlike global cancels, nothing is imposed.



3 - NoCeM or Cancel?

- Using nocems requires the server administrator to modify its configuration
to accept them. Otherwise, the nocem does nothing on the server.
It's a simple text message.

- Cancel, on the other hand, is accepted by default by the server
configuration. It's up to the server administrator to modify his config
to refuse certain types of cancels. This is not always easy for servers
with little administration or little knowledge of "fr" specificities.

Reminder: general NoCeMs are published in news.lists.filters.



4 - Nocem issuers

- " bleachbot " <bleachbot@httrack.com>

- " nocembot " <nocem@usenet.ovh>

- <nocem@eternal-september.org>

- " nono le petit robot " <robot@pasdenom.info>

- " i2pn2-nocem " <i2pn2-nocem@i2pn2.org>

- "news.chmurka.net nocembot" <nocem@chmurka.net>




5 - Descriptions and tips for existing nocems


5.1 - " bleachbot "

Information : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/

Public key : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/bleachbot.asc

Types of nocems :
- spam : detection based on previously confirmed spam with BI>=20.
- site : flood and hipcrime detection.

Tip: Nocem has been a recognized source for years.
Recommended for use on all servers.

This robot seems to have stopped since January 1, 2024


5.2 - " nocembot "

Information : http://usenet.ovh/?article=nocem

Public key : http://usenet.ovh/files/alfanet_0x5789E33A_public

Types of nocems :
- spam : spams and clearly malicious articles
- flood : well-known regular flooders

Tip: New public Nocems source since June 5, 2023
(previously restricted to the news.usenet.ovh server).
The website details what is filtered.
Recommended for use on all servers.


5.3 - nocem@eternal-september.org

Information : https://www.eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=nocem

Public key : : https://www.eternal-september.org/nocem-eternal-september.asc

Les types de nocems :
- spam : drugs/meds/cards/casino from GoogleGroups
- bot : bot generated pseudo discussions from various sources
(currently from Abavia).

Tip : New public Nocems source since septembre 25, 2023
Recommended use of on all servers.


5.4 - " nono le petit robot "

Information : https://pasdenom.info/nocem.html

Public key : http://pasdenom.info/gpg/robot.pasdenom.asc

Types of nocems :
- spam : spams 99,99%
- spam2 : spams with rare false positives
- spam3 : spam with false positives
- spam4 : spams with slightly more false positives
- site : rare manual notices

Tip: these nocems are the result of the use of "spamassasin".
An effective product usually used to detect spam in emails.
Here, the sample used to train the robot to detect spam seems
to be poorly done: too much false positives for spam.
Other types of nocem generate inappropriate false positives.
In particular spam3 and 4, which on some forums, such as fr.soc.politique, could be seen as censorship.
The "site" nocem is used for abuse that is generally consensual.




5.5 - " i2pn2-nocem " <i2pn2-nocem@i2pn2.org>

Information : ?

Public key : https://www.novabbs.com/hierarchy/i2pn2-nocem.txt

Types of nocems :
- spam : These bot-spam NoCeM notices may cover any hierarchy and
are automatically generated by a spamassassin script.

Tip : Recommended use of on all servers.



5.6 - "news.chmurka.net nocembot" <nocem@chmurka.net>

Information : http://news.chmurka.net/nocem.php

Public key : http://news.chmurka.net/nocem-chmurka.asc

Types of nocems :
- thai : NoCeM notice for Thai flood originating from Google Groups.

Tip : Recommended use of on all servers.




6 - Conclusion

If you want to contribute to this document, you can reply directly
to this message (or by e-mail if you prefer).



7 - References:
- The NoCeM FAQ. V0.93: http://www.cm.org/faq.html
- Kleopatra: https://www.openpgp.org/software/kleopatra/
(certificate manager and GUI for GnuP)
- Global cancels: <news:m25ylayonf.fsf@raybanana.net>

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On Mon, 01 Jul 2024 18:18:00 +0000, faq wrote:

The News administrators of each server is free to apply these nocems or
not,
unlike global cancels, nothing is imposed.

huh? global (or for that matter any) cancels (just like nocems) are not imposed here...

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Le 03/07/2024 13:33, noel a écrit :

On Mon, 01 Jul 2024 18:18:00 +0000, faq wrote:

The News administrators of each server is free to apply these nocems or
not,
unlike global cancels, nothing is imposed.

huh? global (or for that matter any) cancels (just like nocems) are not imposed here...

You're right, it's a lie. A news administrator is just as free to accept or refuse cancels as she is to accept or refuse nocems.

--
Olivier Miakinen

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noel a formulé ce mercredi :

On Mon, 01 Jul 2024 18:18:00 +0000, faq wrote:

The News administrators of each server is free to apply these nocems or
not,
unlike global cancels, nothing is imposed.

huh? global (or for that matter any) cancels (just like nocems) are not imposed here...

If you use an inn2 version prior to 2.7, cancel are accepted by
default.
So abusers can make abusives cancels, like Olivier Miakinen on "fr"

--
Admin of news.usenet.ovh

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Le 03/07/2024 23:14, Eric M replied to an anonymous user :

So abusers can make abusives cancels, like Olivier Miakinen on "fr"

You can't write a faq, because to do that you need to be objective.
You are a far right stalker, nothing else.

What's more, he's an anonymous right-wing stalker harassing a person clearly identified by first and last name.

And of course, since he issues NoCeMs while I issue Cancels, he's trying to make it look like Cancels are much worse than NoCeMs.

--
Olivier Miakinen

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Olivier Miakinen avait énoncé :

Le 03/07/2024 23:14, Eric M replied to an anonymous user :

(french hater troll speaking)

And of course, since he issues NoCeMs while I issue Cancels, he's trying to make it look like Cancels are much worse than NoCeMs.

When a newsmaster issue cancels for abuse of one of *his* users,
cancels are perfectly legitimate.

It's not your case.
You're not a newsmaster and you do global third party cancel.

Nocem is the way against "spam", Cancel is not the way for that.
And abusive cancel is never the way...

--
Admin of news.usenet.ovh

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On Wed, 03 Jul 2024 22:22:48 +0200, llp wrote:

noel a formulé ce mercredi :

On Mon, 01 Jul 2024 18:18:00 +0000, faq wrote:

The News administrators of each server is free to apply these nocems
or not,
unlike global cancels, nothing is imposed.

huh? global (or for that matter any) cancels (just like nocems) are
not imposed here...

If you use an inn2 version prior to 2.7, cancel are accepted by default.
So abusers can make abusives cancels, like Olivier Miakinen on "fr"

That's a failing of INN then if that is true, or is that a distro package
and not source pkg you use? We known distro pkg maintainers like to think
they know better despite in reality knowing S.F.A.

I've used dnews since early beta days (early/mid) 90's and it has never accepted cancels by default, so I'd be astonished if INN through all
those decades, did.

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Bonjour,

Dans le message <v64but$abkr$1@news.usenet.ovh>, llp a écrit le mercredi
3 juillet 2024 à 22 h 22 :

So abusers can make abusives cancels

What's the point of reproducing here a discussion that you've relaunched endlessly on fr.usenet.abus.d?
--
Michel Vauquois - <http://michelvauquois.fr> <https://www.facebook.com/michel.vauquois.3>

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M.V. wrote:

Bonjour,

Dans le message <v64but$abkr$1@news.usenet.ovh>, llp a écrit le mercredi
3 juillet 2024 à 22 h 22 :

So abusers can make abusives cancels

What's the point of reproducing here a discussion that you've relaunched endlessly on fr.usenet.abus.d?

I seem to remember the "Abusive Cancel" thread in this group - started
around 27th December 2023 - was another example, an estimated 286
messages which were mostly just reiterating entrenched positions.

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noel a pensé très fort :

On Wed, 03 Jul 2024 22:22:48 +0200, llp wrote:

noel a formulé ce mercredi :

On Mon, 01 Jul 2024 18:18:00 +0000, faq wrote:

The News administrators of each server is free to apply these nocems
or not,
unlike global cancels, nothing is imposed.

huh? global (or for that matter any) cancels (just like nocems) are
not imposed here...

If you use an inn2 version prior to 2.7, cancel are accepted by default.
So abusers can make abusives cancels, like Olivier Miakinen on "fr"

That's a failing of INN then if that is true, or is that a distro package
and not source pkg you use? We known distro pkg maintainers like to think they know better despite in reality knowing S.F.A.

I can confirm that for the 2.6.x inn2 series.
Some newsmasters tell that the 2.7.x does not suffer from this problem.

I've used dnews since early beta days (early/mid) 90's and it has never accepted cancels by default, so I'd be astonished if INN through all
those decades, did.

I don't know how dnews works.

--
Admin of news.usenet.ovh

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Contents :
1 - Preamble
2 - Definition of NoCeM
3 - NoCeM or Cancel?
4 - Nocem issuers
5 - Descriptions and tips on existing nocems
6 - Conclusion
7 - References



1 - Preamble

This document, posted monthly, list the nocems currently published
on the "news.lists.filters" group.
It does not deal with nocems published in a local hierarchy.
The aim is to publicize existing general nocems so that server
administrators can decide which nocems they wish to apply or not.


2 - Definition

NoCeM (pronounced No See 'Em) is a modern solution for managing spam.

Rather than issuing a "cancel" on a spam message that most servers will
reject, we generate a message in the "news.lists.filters" group called
"nocem", which contain the message(s) to be deleted.

Each nocem is signed with a gpg key to guarantee its authenticity.

The News administrators of each server is free to apply these nocems or not, unlike global cancels, nothing is imposed.



3 - NoCeM or Cancel?

- Using nocems requires the server administrator to modify its configuration
to accept them. Otherwise, the nocem does nothing on the server.
It's a simple text message.

- Cancel, on the other hand, is accepted by default by the server
configuration. It's up to the server administrator to modify his config
to refuse certain types of cancels. This is not always easy for servers
with little administration or little knowledge of "fr" specificities.

Reminder: general NoCeMs are published in news.lists.filters.



4 - Nocem issuers

- " bleachbot " <bleachbot@httrack.com>

- " nuo-nocem " <nocem@usenet.ovh>

- <nocem@eternal-september.org>

- " nono le petit robot " <robot@pasdenom.info>

- " i2pn2-nocem " <i2pn2-nocem@i2pn2.org>

- "news.chmurka.net nocembot" <nocem@chmurka.net>




5 - Descriptions and tips for existing nocems


5.1 - " bleachbot "

Information : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/

Public key : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/bleachbot.asc

Types of nocems :
- spam : detection based on previously confirmed spam with BI>=20.
- site : flood and hipcrime detection.

Tip: Nocem has been a recognized source for years.
Recommended for use on all servers.

This robot seems to have stopped since January 1, 2024


5.2 - " nuo-nocem "

Information : http://usenet.ovh/?article=nocem

Public key : http://usenet.ovh/files/alfanet_0x5789E33A_public

Types of nocems :
- spam : spams and clearly malicious articles
- flood : well-known regular flooders
- faqfr : abuse specific to the fr hierarchy

Tip: New public Nocems source since June 5, 2023
(previously restricted to the news.usenet.ovh server).
The website details what is filtered.
Recommended for use on all servers.


5.3 - nocem@eternal-september.org

Information : https://www.eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=nocem

Public key : : https://www.eternal-september.org/nocem-eternal-september.asc

Les types de nocems :
- spam : drugs/meds/cards/casino from GoogleGroups
- bot : bot generated pseudo discussions from various sources
(currently from Abavia).

Tip : New public Nocems source since septembre 25, 2023
Recommended use of on all servers.


5.4 - " nono le petit robot "

Information : https://pasdenom.info/nocem.html

Public key : http://pasdenom.info/gpg/robot.pasdenom.asc

Types of nocems :
- spam : spams 99,99%
- spam2 : spams with rare false positives
- spam3 : spam with false positives
- spam4 : spams with slightly more false positives
- site : rare manual notices

Tip: these nocems are the result of the use of "spamassasin".
An effective product usually used to detect spam in emails.
Here, the sample used to train the robot to detect spam seems
to be poorly done: too much false positives for spam.
Other types of nocem generate inappropriate false positives.
In particular spam3 and 4, which on some forums, such as fr.soc.politique, could be seen as censorship.
The "site" nocem is used for abuse that is generally consensual.




5.5 - " i2pn2-nocem " <i2pn2-nocem@i2pn2.org>

Information : ?

Public key : https://www.novabbs.com/hierarchy/i2pn2-nocem.txt

Types of nocems :
- spam : These bot-spam NoCeM notices may cover any hierarchy and
are automatically generated by a spamassassin script.

Tip : Recommended use of on all servers.



5.6 - "news.chmurka.net nocembot" <nocem@chmurka.net>

Information : http://news.chmurka.net/nocem.php

Public key : http://news.chmurka.net/nocem-chmurka.asc

Types of nocems :
- thai : NoCeM notice for Thai flood originating from Google Groups.

Tip : Recommended use of on all servers.




6 - Conclusion

If you want to contribute to this document, you can reply directly
to this message (or by e-mail if you prefer).



7 - References:
- The NoCeM FAQ. V0.93: http://www.cm.org/faq.html
- Kleopatra: https://www.openpgp.org/software/kleopatra/
(certificate manager and GUI for GnuP)
- Global cancels: <news:m25ylayonf.fsf@raybanana.net>

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On Wed, 01 Jan 2025 11:21:42 +0000, faq wrote:

The News administrators of each server is free to apply these nocems or
not,
unlike global cancels, nothing is imposed.

You still spreading this mis-information?

global cancels? no such thing, because *like* nocems, each administrator
is free to honor them, or ignore them, just like nocems.

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On Wed, 01 Jan 2025 11:21:42 +0000, faq wrote:

Cancel, on the other hand, is accepted by default by the server
configuration. It's up to the server administrator to modify his
config to refuse certain types of cancels.

nope. you should modify this bit too, like to *some servers* may by
default, becasue DNews by default does not nor ever has, and I'm sure
others same, give your examples of those that do, so I gather INN might
have given cancel abuse since the 90's thats a failure of any software
that by default does.

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On 2 Jan 2025 21:31:48 +1000, noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> wrote:

On Wed, 01 Jan 2025 11:21:42 +0000, faq wrote:

The News administrators of each server is free to apply these nocems or
not,
unlike global cancels, nothing is imposed.

You still spreading this mis-information?
global cancels? no such thing, because *like* nocems, each administrator
is free to honor them, or ignore them, just like nocems.

doctor skirvin's immortal "usenet spam faq/last modified 1998" appears
to be set in stone . . . like the pyramids, immovable, inert, timeless
like the usenet troll farm . . . usenet could not survive without them

trollfarm infestation has severely contaminated newsgroups for decades
without so much as a peep from the establishment that both enables and tolerates their hideous occupation of the user's network with impunity

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Contents :
1 - Preamble
2 - Definition of NoCeM
3 - NoCeM or Cancel?
4 - Nocem issuers
5 - Descriptions and tips on existing nocems
6 - Conclusion
7 - References



1 - Preamble

This document, posted monthly, list the nocems currently published
on the "news.lists.filters" group.
It does not deal with nocems published in a local hierarchy.
The aim is to publicize existing general nocems so that server
administrators can decide which nocems they wish to apply or not.


2 - Definition

NoCeM (pronounced No See 'Em) is a modern solution for managing spam.

Rather than issuing a "cancel" on a spam message that most servers will
reject, we generate a message in the "news.lists.filters" group called
"nocem", which contain the message(s) to be deleted.

Each nocem is signed with a gpg key to guarantee its authenticity.

The News administrators of each server is free to apply these nocems or not, nothing is imposed.



3 - NoCeM or Cancel?

- Using nocems requires the server administrator to modify its configuration
to accept them. Otherwise, the nocem does nothing on the server.
It's a simple text message.

- cancel, on the other hand, is accepted by default on inn2 servers with
version prior to 2.7. In this case, it's up to the server administrator
to modify his config to refuse certain types of cancels and prevent
multiple abuses (such as those seen on the fr hierarchy).

Reminder: general NoCeMs are published in news.lists.filters.



4 - Nocem issuers

- " bleachbot " <bleachbot@httrack.com>

- " nuo-nocem " <nocem@usenet.ovh>

- <nocem@eternal-september.org>

- " nono le petit robot " <robot@pasdenom.info>

- " i2pn2-nocem " <i2pn2-nocem@i2pn2.org>

- "news.chmurka.net nocembot" <nocem@chmurka.net>




5 - Descriptions and tips for existing nocems


5.1 - " bleachbot "

Information : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/

Public key : http://home.httrack.net/~nocem/bleachbot.asc

Types of nocems :
- spam : detection based on previously confirmed spam with BI>=20.
- site : flood and hipcrime detection.

Tip: Nocem has been a recognized source for years.
Recommended for use on all servers.

This robot seems to have stopped since January 1, 2024


5.2 - " nuo-nocem "

Information : http://usenet.ovh/?article=nocem

Public key : http://usenet.ovh/files/alfanet_0x5789E33A_public

Types of nocems :
- spam : spams and clearly malicious articles
- flood : well-known regular flooders
- faqfr : abuse specific to the fr hierarchy

Tip: New public Nocems source since June 5, 2023
(previously restricted to the news.usenet.ovh server).
The website details what is filtered.
Recommended for use on all servers.


5.3 - nocem@eternal-september.org

Information : https://www.eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=nocem

Public key : : https://www.eternal-september.org/nocem-eternal-september.asc

Les types de nocems :
- spam : drugs/meds/cards/casino from GoogleGroups
- bot : bot generated pseudo discussions from various sources
(currently from Abavia).

Tip : New public Nocems source since septembre 25, 2023
Recommended use of on all servers.


5.4 - " nono le petit robot "

Information : https://pasdenom.info/nocem.html

Public key : http://pasdenom.info/gpg/robot.pasdenom.asc

Types of nocems :
- spam : spams 99,99%
- spam2 : spams with rare false positives
- spam3 : spam with false positives
- spam4 : spams with slightly more false positives
- site : rare manual notices

Tip: these nocems are the result of the use of "spamassasin".
An effective product usually used to detect spam in emails.
Here, the sample used to train the robot to detect spam seems
to be poorly done: too much false positives for spam.
Other types of nocem generate inappropriate false positives.
In particular spam3 and 4, which on some forums, such as fr.soc.politique, could be seen as censorship.
The "site" nocem is used for abuse that is generally consensual.




5.5 - " i2pn2-nocem " <i2pn2-nocem@i2pn2.org>

Information : ?

Public key : https://www.novabbs.com/hierarchy/i2pn2-nocem.txt

Types of nocems :
- spam : These bot-spam NoCeM notices may cover any hierarchy and
are automatically generated by a spamassassin script.

Tip : Recommended use of on all servers.



5.6 - "news.chmurka.net nocembot" <nocem@chmurka.net>

Information : http://news.chmurka.net/nocem.php

Public key : http://news.chmurka.net/nocem-chmurka.asc

Types of nocems :
- thai : NoCeM notice for Thai flood originating from Google Groups.

Tip : Recommended use of on all servers.




6 - Conclusion

If you want to contribute to this document, you can reply directly
to this message (or by e-mail if you prefer).



7 - References:
- The NoCeM FAQ. V0.93: http://www.cm.org/faq.html
- Kleopatra: https://www.openpgp.org/software/kleopatra/
(certificate manager and GUI for GnuP)
- Global cancels: <news:m25ylayonf.fsf@raybanana.net>

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Le 1/05/25 à 00:45, faq a écrit :

Contents :
    1 - Preamble
    2 - Definition of NoCeM
    3 - NoCeM or Cancel?
    4 - Nocem issuers
    5 - Descriptions and tips on existing nocems
    6 - Conclusion
    7 - References

Pour les ceusses qui ne savent pas se servir d'un killfile.
--

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"Laika (Fe Dhc Ph.D)" <laika@not-for-mail.invalid> composa la prose suivante:

Le 1/05/25 à 00:45, faq a écrit :

Contents :
    1 - Preamble
    2 - Definition of NoCeM
    3 - NoCeM or Cancel?
    4 - Nocem issuers
    5 - Descriptions and tips on existing nocems
    6 - Conclusion
    7 - References

Pour les ceusses qui ne savent pas se servir d'un killfile.

Pas uniquement.
Lors de la grande vague de spam venant de Google le killfile
n'était pas vraiment utilisable. Je rappelle qu'il y a eu jusqu'a
100000 spams par jour. Quelques gestionnaires ont lutté en les
supprimant à l'arrivé sur leur serveur et en émettant des nocems
pour les autres serveurs qui voulaient les utiliser.


Not only that.
During the great wave of spam coming from Google, the killfile
was not really usable. I remind you that there was up to
100,000 spam messages a day. Some newsmasters fought back by
deleting deleting them as they arrived on their server and issuing
nocems for other servers that wanted to use them.

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Le 1/06/25 à 17:36, Jean-Paul a écrit :

"Laika (Fe Dhc Ph.D)" <laika@not-for-mail.invalid> composa la prose suivante:

Le 1/05/25 à 00:45, faq a écrit :

Contents :
    1 - Preamble
    2 - Definition of NoCeM
    3 - NoCeM or Cancel?
    4 - Nocem issuers
    5 - Descriptions and tips on existing nocems
    6 - Conclusion
    7 - References

Pour les ceusses qui ne savent pas se servir d'un killfile.

Pas uniquement.
Lors de la grande vague de spam venant de Google le killfile
n'était pas vraiment utilisable. Je rappelle qu'il y a eu jusqu'a
100000 spams par jour. Quelques gestionnaires ont lutté en les
supprimant à l'arrivé sur leur serveur et en émettant des nocems
pour les autres serveurs qui voulaient les utiliser.

Not only that.
During the great wave of spam coming from Google, the killfile
was not really usable. I remind you that there was up to
100,000 spam messages a day. Some newsmasters fought back by
deleting deleting them as they arrived on their server and issuing
nocems for other servers that wanted to use them.

Oui, mais les censeurs (même ceux qui ne possèdent pas de serveur) en
ont profité pour inclure dans les nocem, les insoumis et les subversifs
en les traitant de spams complotistes et pollueurs, et même pour mon
compte, de troll prolifique. Le nocem partait de bonnes intentions mais
il a été récupéré, par ceux qui ont fait interdire le cancel vu qu'ils
en ont sauvagement abusé, d'où leur frénésie à utiliser le nocem.

Please translate with your natural intelligence.

--
La 3 ieme guerre mondiale ? Je ne sais pas mais j espere, parce que tout
va mal https://youtu.be/5_42qvF964E

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